I dispise field goals I have always thought they should purify the game and make you take it into the endzone for points like a man for this reason I hate to bet football - field goals are disigned to make getting covers difficult - vegas invented the field goal - it's not a manly move in a great physical game - you don't see it in hockey shooting the puck over the net to get a half goal - in hockey you have to beat the goalie mono a mono.
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I dispise field goals I have always thought they should purify the game and make you take it into the endzone for points like a man for this reason I hate to bet football - field goals are disigned to make getting covers difficult - vegas invented the field goal - it's not a manly move in a great physical game - you don't see it in hockey shooting the puck over the net to get a half goal - in hockey you have to beat the goalie mono a mono.
I understand. But the point is...will Tebow bring you to a Super Bowl? I say no. And it seems like John Elway says no too. And is that really what a team aims for? Is your franchise player really going to be the guy who could beat the teams he's supposed to but not beat good teams?
And time will only tell who he is. Right now...I'm wrong and everyone else is right because he's winning and has yet to face a true contender. And I will only get a chance to defend my case in 2 games. Once against the Patriots and than a game in the playoffs. I can't consider the Bears game an easy Bears win without Cutler.
I'm giving my opinion while everyone else is giving facts. It will be another season before we can really tell who Tebow is. But right now...this competition isn't proving a damn thing to me other than he doesn't turn the ball over a lot.
How many quarterbacks in this goofy league are going to bring their teams to a super bowl, Sparky?? It doesn't prove anything to you? It proves the man is a FOOTBALL PLAYER!! No other player in the league can do what this guy does every week! He is a great football player. He takes the center snap and runs 20 times a game, or throws it enough to win games for his team. There is no other football player in the league who can do that.
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
I understand. But the point is...will Tebow bring you to a Super Bowl? I say no. And it seems like John Elway says no too. And is that really what a team aims for? Is your franchise player really going to be the guy who could beat the teams he's supposed to but not beat good teams?
And time will only tell who he is. Right now...I'm wrong and everyone else is right because he's winning and has yet to face a true contender. And I will only get a chance to defend my case in 2 games. Once against the Patriots and than a game in the playoffs. I can't consider the Bears game an easy Bears win without Cutler.
I'm giving my opinion while everyone else is giving facts. It will be another season before we can really tell who Tebow is. But right now...this competition isn't proving a damn thing to me other than he doesn't turn the ball over a lot.
How many quarterbacks in this goofy league are going to bring their teams to a super bowl, Sparky?? It doesn't prove anything to you? It proves the man is a FOOTBALL PLAYER!! No other player in the league can do what this guy does every week! He is a great football player. He takes the center snap and runs 20 times a game, or throws it enough to win games for his team. There is no other football player in the league who can do that.
Early in Michael Vick's career ESPN went to bat for Mike and explained his stats were not indicative of his play and his ability to move around was the future of the NFL.
Vick's footwork and armslot sucked for his first 7 years in the league. There was no worse passer than him, yet he was such a threat to run that his passing stats were largely ignored by everyone except for football bettors.
Fast forward 10 years to Tebow....shitty armslot, questionable footwork, but dynamic on the ground in his own bruising way. His ability to process information and read defenses is light years ahead of where Vick was...yet all I hear about is the fucking passing stats.
Tim Tebow is the most polarizing figure in the NFL since the old Raider's defenses during the John Madden years. People either love him or hate him.
Personally, I think it is more entertaining watching his teammates, fans and media react to what he does on the field rather than to actually watch him play. That being said, I like to see the Broncos win just to shove it up Mel Kiper's ass.
And Sparky's!
Let me just set the record straight, i'm a huge Dolphins fan so I could really care less if Tebow ever leads his team to a superbowl. All I know is he is wayyyy better than people give him credit for. (when I say people I mean linesmakers, experts and Joe Shmo's like you Sparky)
Aslong as he keeps getting value, I will keep laying my cash WITH him. If he were to play the Pats and the line was Pats -3, guess what? Their would be no value there. Aslong as he keeps getting crazy lines against bad teams, I'll stay cashin in.
I do respect the hell out of the guy because he has barely any weapons around him and what does he do? WIN.
Just win baby
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Quote Originally Posted by bigvern1013:
Early in Michael Vick's career ESPN went to bat for Mike and explained his stats were not indicative of his play and his ability to move around was the future of the NFL.
Vick's footwork and armslot sucked for his first 7 years in the league. There was no worse passer than him, yet he was such a threat to run that his passing stats were largely ignored by everyone except for football bettors.
Fast forward 10 years to Tebow....shitty armslot, questionable footwork, but dynamic on the ground in his own bruising way. His ability to process information and read defenses is light years ahead of where Vick was...yet all I hear about is the fucking passing stats.
Tim Tebow is the most polarizing figure in the NFL since the old Raider's defenses during the John Madden years. People either love him or hate him.
Personally, I think it is more entertaining watching his teammates, fans and media react to what he does on the field rather than to actually watch him play. That being said, I like to see the Broncos win just to shove it up Mel Kiper's ass.
And Sparky's!
Let me just set the record straight, i'm a huge Dolphins fan so I could really care less if Tebow ever leads his team to a superbowl. All I know is he is wayyyy better than people give him credit for. (when I say people I mean linesmakers, experts and Joe Shmo's like you Sparky)
Aslong as he keeps getting value, I will keep laying my cash WITH him. If he were to play the Pats and the line was Pats -3, guess what? Their would be no value there. Aslong as he keeps getting crazy lines against bad teams, I'll stay cashin in.
I do respect the hell out of the guy because he has barely any weapons around him and what does he do? WIN.
Lets see what he does in the next 3 weeks. Beating the Patriots would impress me. Beating the Chargers...not so much.
If the Broncos can beat the Patriots (with Tebow doing what he has been) than I'll give him all the praise that he would deserve. But that won't happen.
The Broncos couldn't beat the Patriots with Aaron Rodgers at the helm. But what if Tebow does, Sparky? Then will you shut up?
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
Lets see what he does in the next 3 weeks. Beating the Patriots would impress me. Beating the Chargers...not so much.
If the Broncos can beat the Patriots (with Tebow doing what he has been) than I'll give him all the praise that he would deserve. But that won't happen.
The Broncos couldn't beat the Patriots with Aaron Rodgers at the helm. But what if Tebow does, Sparky? Then will you shut up?
I dispise field goals I have always thought they should purify the game and make you take it into the endzone for points like a man for this reason I hate to bet football - field goals are disigned to make getting covers difficult - vegas invented the field goal - it's not a manly move in a great physical game - you don't see it in hockey shooting the puck over the net to get a half goal - in hockey you have to beat the goalie mono a mono.
When you post it spews stupidity. Go back to pucks moron. Vegas invented field goals. Dumber than rock you are. Funny you start a new thread to call me queer because I make you feel like the idiot you are. Dumb as a fucking rock.
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Quote Originally Posted by malkin:
I dispise field goals I have always thought they should purify the game and make you take it into the endzone for points like a man for this reason I hate to bet football - field goals are disigned to make getting covers difficult - vegas invented the field goal - it's not a manly move in a great physical game - you don't see it in hockey shooting the puck over the net to get a half goal - in hockey you have to beat the goalie mono a mono.
When you post it spews stupidity. Go back to pucks moron. Vegas invented field goals. Dumber than rock you are. Funny you start a new thread to call me queer because I make you feel like the idiot you are. Dumb as a fucking rock.
People talking up Tebow is comical. Reminds me of all the people on here talking up Vince Young a few years back when it was obvious he was a garbage QB as well. A couple years later, VY is as bad as predicted and then some. Short term wins definitely blind people, that's for sure.
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People talking up Tebow is comical. Reminds me of all the people on here talking up Vince Young a few years back when it was obvious he was a garbage QB as well. A couple years later, VY is as bad as predicted and then some. Short term wins definitely blind people, that's for sure.
People talking up Tebow is comical. Reminds me of all the people on here talking up Vince Young a few years back when it was obvious he was a garbage QB as well. A couple years later, VY is as bad as predicted and then some. Short term wins definitely blind people, that's for sure.
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Quote Originally Posted by jackjaffee:
People talking up Tebow is comical. Reminds me of all the people on here talking up Vince Young a few years back when it was obvious he was a garbage QB as well. A couple years later, VY is as bad as predicted and then some. Short term wins definitely blind people, that's for sure.
There is so much to say on this topic about Tim Tebow, but I figured I would post some history to start. Will add more in time.
JUST WANT TO PROVE THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE A GREAT PASSER TO HELP LEAD YOUR TEAM TO THE SUPERBOWL ONCE, MULTIPLE TIMES OR TO WIN IT...
List of QB's that LED there team to a super bowl that didn't have great career passing yards per game in the NFL as a QB. Some if them are even hall of famers.
I am not saying that Tebow will lead a NFL team to the Superbowl, but he also could, only time will tell. I am just making a VALID point that a QB doesn't have to be a great passer in the NFL to be a winner or to get his team to the Superbowl.
* Oh how quickly we forget or don't know our NFL QB history!!!
BART STARR - Superbowls 1, 2 - Green Bay. Averaged 126.1 yards passing a game during his 16 year career.
LEN DAWSON - Superbowls 1, 4 - Chiefs. Averaged 136.1 yards passing a game during his 19 year career.
DARYLE LAMONICA - Superbowl 2 - Raiders. Averaged 126.8 yards passing a game during his 12 year career.
EARL MORRALL - Superbowl 3 - Colts. Averaged 81.6 yards passing a game during his 22 year career.
JOE KAPP - Superbowl 4 - Vikings. Averaged 115.9 yards passing a game during his 3 year career.
CRAIG MORTON - in Superbowl 5 - Dallas. Averaged 137.5 yards passing a game during his 10 year career.
BOB GRIESE - Superbowls 6, 7 , 8 - Miami. Averaged 155.9 yards passing a game during his 14 year career.
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There is so much to say on this topic about Tim Tebow, but I figured I would post some history to start. Will add more in time.
JUST WANT TO PROVE THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE A GREAT PASSER TO HELP LEAD YOUR TEAM TO THE SUPERBOWL ONCE, MULTIPLE TIMES OR TO WIN IT...
List of QB's that LED there team to a super bowl that didn't have great career passing yards per game in the NFL as a QB. Some if them are even hall of famers.
I am not saying that Tebow will lead a NFL team to the Superbowl, but he also could, only time will tell. I am just making a VALID point that a QB doesn't have to be a great passer in the NFL to be a winner or to get his team to the Superbowl.
* Oh how quickly we forget or don't know our NFL QB history!!!
BART STARR - Superbowls 1, 2 - Green Bay. Averaged 126.1 yards passing a game during his 16 year career.
LEN DAWSON - Superbowls 1, 4 - Chiefs. Averaged 136.1 yards passing a game during his 19 year career.
DARYLE LAMONICA - Superbowl 2 - Raiders. Averaged 126.8 yards passing a game during his 12 year career.
EARL MORRALL - Superbowl 3 - Colts. Averaged 81.6 yards passing a game during his 22 year career.
JOE KAPP - Superbowl 4 - Vikings. Averaged 115.9 yards passing a game during his 3 year career.
CRAIG MORTON - in Superbowl 5 - Dallas. Averaged 137.5 yards passing a game during his 10 year career.
BOB GRIESE - Superbowls 6, 7 , 8 - Miami. Averaged 155.9 yards passing a game during his 14 year career.
I agree with other poster. Tebow Got the hookup from upstairs. I mean the guy was born with a detached placenta. He wasn't suppose to live.
The dudes a winner, plain and simple. When you are the first one to practice and the last to leave u get respect. It's the same dam Defense Orton had but nobody gave an F. Tebow has the respect of his team, when u get that and the team starts playing for one another..........watch out.
All this on top of having terrible receivers to throw to that can't get open. No one talks about that. When Eric Decker is your go to guy? C'mon man.
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I agree with other poster. Tebow Got the hookup from upstairs. I mean the guy was born with a detached placenta. He wasn't suppose to live.
The dudes a winner, plain and simple. When you are the first one to practice and the last to leave u get respect. It's the same dam Defense Orton had but nobody gave an F. Tebow has the respect of his team, when u get that and the team starts playing for one another..........watch out.
All this on top of having terrible receivers to throw to that can't get open. No one talks about that. When Eric Decker is your go to guy? C'mon man.
I think that in our current pass happy NFL league and with Fantasy football at it's peak, that many fans and stat gurus look at our current QB's passing numbers, and tend to forget that it's not always a recipe to winning or to get to the Superbowl.
History shows that there are other ways to win and other ways to get to a Superbowl than just being a high powered passing team.
Yes, being a high powered passing offense can lead to wins and to the Superbowl, but it is not the only way.
So, for the sake of this Tebow argument. Just because he currently isn't in a high powered passing offensive system and isn't putting up the big fantasy football passing numbers, doesn't mean that he "sucks" and that he isn't a good NFL QB.
The system that he is in and the style of play that he presents is a little old school. It is also mixed with being a QB that is a runner and has the ability to take on linebackers without sliding feet first like most QB's in the NFL today.
So, because his style of play is unlike most pass happy offenses and is unconventional, combined with low fantasy football passing numbers; I think that a lot of people have a difficult time accepting this and want to jump to make quick judgments after just 6 NFL starts.
Saying things like that he sucks, you can't win like this in the NFL, he has yet to play a good team, he will never take a team to the Superbowl etc.
But the fact remains that you can win like this and it is too early to make judgments about a QB's CAREER after just 6 games!!!
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QB's continued...
I think that in our current pass happy NFL league and with Fantasy football at it's peak, that many fans and stat gurus look at our current QB's passing numbers, and tend to forget that it's not always a recipe to winning or to get to the Superbowl.
History shows that there are other ways to win and other ways to get to a Superbowl than just being a high powered passing team.
Yes, being a high powered passing offense can lead to wins and to the Superbowl, but it is not the only way.
So, for the sake of this Tebow argument. Just because he currently isn't in a high powered passing offensive system and isn't putting up the big fantasy football passing numbers, doesn't mean that he "sucks" and that he isn't a good NFL QB.
The system that he is in and the style of play that he presents is a little old school. It is also mixed with being a QB that is a runner and has the ability to take on linebackers without sliding feet first like most QB's in the NFL today.
So, because his style of play is unlike most pass happy offenses and is unconventional, combined with low fantasy football passing numbers; I think that a lot of people have a difficult time accepting this and want to jump to make quick judgments after just 6 NFL starts.
Saying things like that he sucks, you can't win like this in the NFL, he has yet to play a good team, he will never take a team to the Superbowl etc.
But the fact remains that you can win like this and it is too early to make judgments about a QB's CAREER after just 6 games!!!
Tiny Tim.... Bottom line is he is winning and the gambling gods are shining on those who are betting on Tebow, Whent he role is reversed we will see the same people who are on the Tebow train Drop it like its hot. Bottom line is dont bet on Tebow when they play chicago cause they are gonna get an asswhoooooping.
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Tiny Tim.... Bottom line is he is winning and the gambling gods are shining on those who are betting on Tebow, Whent he role is reversed we will see the same people who are on the Tebow train Drop it like its hot. Bottom line is dont bet on Tebow when they play chicago cause they are gonna get an asswhoooooping.
You're right. Winning is the most important part. And the Broncos are going to make the playoffs. But what does the win matter if you don't go far in the playoffs? Just like Elway said.
This is the dumbest comment I've seen. So you are saying teams shouldn't try to win because they have no chance at the Super Bowl? Come on dude, give Tebow and the Broncos respect for winning with what they have. This is what it's all about. You are a Tebow hater and can't stand that he's winning. Also, he just beat the Chargers which was on your list of teams to beat correct? Who cares about his future, his future will fall in place. Presently, he's helping his team win and that's all that should matter.
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Quote Originally Posted by Sparky10191:
You're right. Winning is the most important part. And the Broncos are going to make the playoffs. But what does the win matter if you don't go far in the playoffs? Just like Elway said.
This is the dumbest comment I've seen. So you are saying teams shouldn't try to win because they have no chance at the Super Bowl? Come on dude, give Tebow and the Broncos respect for winning with what they have. This is what it's all about. You are a Tebow hater and can't stand that he's winning. Also, he just beat the Chargers which was on your list of teams to beat correct? Who cares about his future, his future will fall in place. Presently, he's helping his team win and that's all that should matter.
Hhaha so basically you are saying unless he goes undefeated the rest of his career he will be a bust.
Aaron Rogers lost last year to the Redskins, that means he isn't a winner.
Yeah I'm in Tebows Cult because its hard as hell to win a game in the NFL and this guy just continues to win week after week after week after week after week after week.
I know I said I'm done with this thread but I can't sit around and ignore ignorance.
My advice to you: Buy a dictionary, look up the word hater and see if it doesn't describe you.
Aaron Rodgers' loss to the Redskins last year is like Tebow's career. SMALL SAMPLE SIZE.
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Quote Originally Posted by earthWake:
Hhaha so basically you are saying unless he goes undefeated the rest of his career he will be a bust.
Aaron Rogers lost last year to the Redskins, that means he isn't a winner.
Yeah I'm in Tebows Cult because its hard as hell to win a game in the NFL and this guy just continues to win week after week after week after week after week after week.
I know I said I'm done with this thread but I can't sit around and ignore ignorance.
My advice to you: Buy a dictionary, look up the word hater and see if it doesn't describe you.
Aaron Rodgers' loss to the Redskins last year is like Tebow's career. SMALL SAMPLE SIZE.
How many quarterbacks in this goofy league are going to bring their teams to a super bowl, Sparky?? It doesn't prove anything to you? It proves the man is a FOOTBALL PLAYER!! No other player in the league can do what this guy does every week! He is a great football player. He takes the center snap and runs 20 times a game, or throws it enough to win games for his team. There is no other football player in the league who can do that.
Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Peyton, Big Ben and Eli have won Super Bowls over the last 10 years. Before Peyton got hurt...the top 5 QBs in the league were Rodgers, Brady, Peyton, Brees and Rivers with Big Ben and Eli on the cusp of being a Top 5 QB.
Top QBs win Superbowls. Unless your defense is historical...you won't win without a great QB.
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Quote Originally Posted by RodWoman:
How many quarterbacks in this goofy league are going to bring their teams to a super bowl, Sparky?? It doesn't prove anything to you? It proves the man is a FOOTBALL PLAYER!! No other player in the league can do what this guy does every week! He is a great football player. He takes the center snap and runs 20 times a game, or throws it enough to win games for his team. There is no other football player in the league who can do that.
Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Peyton, Big Ben and Eli have won Super Bowls over the last 10 years. Before Peyton got hurt...the top 5 QBs in the league were Rodgers, Brady, Peyton, Brees and Rivers with Big Ben and Eli on the cusp of being a Top 5 QB.
Top QBs win Superbowls. Unless your defense is historical...you won't win without a great QB.
Let me just set the record straight, i'm a huge Dolphins fan so I could really care less if Tebow ever leads his team to a superbowl. All I know is he is wayyyy better than people give him credit for. (when I say people I mean linesmakers, experts and Joe Shmo's like you Sparky)
Aslong as he keeps getting value, I will keep laying my cash WITH him. If he were to play the Pats and the line was Pats -3, guess what? Their would be no value there. Aslong as he keeps getting crazy lines against bad teams, I'll stay cashin in.
I do respect the hell out of the guy because he has barely any weapons around him and what does he do? WIN.
Just win baby
You're starting to get the picture.
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Quote Originally Posted by earthWake:
And Sparky's!
Let me just set the record straight, i'm a huge Dolphins fan so I could really care less if Tebow ever leads his team to a superbowl. All I know is he is wayyyy better than people give him credit for. (when I say people I mean linesmakers, experts and Joe Shmo's like you Sparky)
Aslong as he keeps getting value, I will keep laying my cash WITH him. If he were to play the Pats and the line was Pats -3, guess what? Their would be no value there. Aslong as he keeps getting crazy lines against bad teams, I'll stay cashin in.
I do respect the hell out of the guy because he has barely any weapons around him and what does he do? WIN.
The Broncos couldn't beat the Patriots with Aaron Rodgers at the helm. But what if Tebow does, Sparky? Then will you shut up?
For the hundreth time...YES. AS LONG AS Tebow does SOMETHING in the game. If the Broncos win 17-14 with 2 McGehee TDs and Tebow giving the same performances he's been giving...why should I give HIM credit?
All I heard after yesterday's game was "Tebow does it again". Gotta feel bad for McGehee and that defense.
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Quote Originally Posted by RodWoman:
The Broncos couldn't beat the Patriots with Aaron Rodgers at the helm. But what if Tebow does, Sparky? Then will you shut up?
For the hundreth time...YES. AS LONG AS Tebow does SOMETHING in the game. If the Broncos win 17-14 with 2 McGehee TDs and Tebow giving the same performances he's been giving...why should I give HIM credit?
All I heard after yesterday's game was "Tebow does it again". Gotta feel bad for McGehee and that defense.
for this reason I hate to bet football - field goals are disigned to make getting covers difficult - vegas invented the field goal - it's not a manly move in a great physical game - you don't see it in hockey shooting the puck over the net to get a half goal - in hockey you have to beat the goalie mono a mono.
is so much better then 
he's on a mission from god,. ( like jake & elwood blues)
Tiny Tim.... Bottom line is he is winning and the gambling gods are shining on those who are betting on Tebow, Whent he role is reversed we will see the same people who are on the Tebow train Drop it like its hot. Bottom line is dont bet on Tebow when they play chicago cause they are gonna get an asswhoooooping.
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