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    GIANTS @ DALLAS: The line is moving three MONTHS before the game which means Sharp Money

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    The pick:

    GIANTS +4.5 over DALLAS

    ...is on the Giants. The line has gone from -5 yesterday to -4.5 today on June 16th.



    That is sharp money. There are no squares logging on to place bets this far out from Week 1. 

    The sharp money is coming in on the Giants, and the line is about to go down to -4 (a key number and a lot of money is needed to get it there), and it has to be the sharps. That is why I am grabbing -4.5 NOW (as -5 is a dead number anyway).

    Guys here will crap on this theory but it is a long-standing line reading principle. And this will be my point #1.

    Point #2 is even more important and I want YOU to pay attention to it SO READ THIS.

    #2 Giants vs. Cowboys is a very intense rivalry and they always play each other close.

    What does this mean? Points are VERY valuable and 4.5 looks like a mountain considering the molehill margins these teams play to.

    Let me repeat this because teams have turnover and new faces every year: This game matters to BOTH teams, all the TIME, and therefore BOTH teams play at high levels with max intensity which keeps scores close. Again, this is regardless of new and old faces. Just look at the scores the past 5 years...

    2016 

    20-19 Giants (Giants pick'em covers)
    10-7 Giants (Giants +3.5 covers)

    4 points total net point differential in two games. One one score game and a missed extra point decides the other.

    2015

    26-27 Cowboys (Giants cover +7)
    27-20 Giants (Giants cover -3)

    Net 6 point net differential. Giants need a 100 yard kick-off return to win by 7 in the 4th of this likely ends yet another 3 pt game.

    2014

    28-31 Cowboys (Giants cover +4)
    21-31 Cowboys (Cowboys cover +4.5)

    Net 13 pt differential. Only season in last 6 years which a TWO score differential can be found.

    2013

    31-36 Cowboys (Cowboys cover 3.5)
    21-24 Cowboys (Push -3)

    Net 8 pt differential. No more than a one score difference in two games.

    2012

    17-24 Cowboys (Cowboys cover -3.5)
    29-24 Giants (Giants cover -1.5)

    Net 2 pt differential. One score decides both games.

    2011

    37-34 Giants (Giants cover +4.5)

    3 pt differential.

    Over their last 11 games, there is a net 36 point differential in scores. That means the average is about THREE points (about 3.3 points exactly) per contest (on a net basis, not an absolute basis).

    And that folks, using basic arithmetic, not advanced black box systems, is why 4.5 points here is IMMENSELY VALUABLE in a Giants outright win or loss., home or road. You can do that yourself with a pen and paper. And you can win doing that. Consistently. It is basic and meaningful.

    You have to go all the way back to Game 1 of 2011 to find a 'blowout' (just 2 Td's if you consider that a 'blowout').

    31-14 Giants (Giants cover -3)

    Not only this but the Giants are 5-0 ATS in their last 5 against the Cowboys.


    #3 13-3

    Short and sweet. How is the line -4.5 Cowboys? I'll tell you: IT IS A SUPER SQUARE LINE. The Cowboys ALWAYS get padded on the line by the books particularly when they play well. Last season they had SUPER BOWL aspirations at 13-3. And that is why this line opened at -5 and is now -4.5. It is 100% a carryover from last year. That is a GOOD thing for Giant backers because we are getting a nice premium. 

    The Cowboy squares flood the books and the books know they can get a valuable premium on this line. 

    Being on the other side is a top rated insurance policy on the Giants. Sign for that policy.


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    The pick:

    GIANTS +4.5 over DALLAS

    ...is on the Giants. The line has gone from -5 yesterday to -4.5 today on June 16th.



    That is sharp money. There are no squares logging on to place bets this far out from Week 1. 

    The sharp money is coming in on the Giants, and the line is about to go down to -4 (a key number and a lot of money is needed to get it there), and it has to be the sharps. That is why I am grabbing -4.5 NOW (as -5 is a dead number anyway).

    Guys here will crap on this theory but it is a long-standing line reading principle. And this will be my point #1.

    Point #2 is even more important and I want YOU to pay attention to it SO READ THIS.

    #2 Giants vs. Cowboys is a very intense rivalry and they always play each other close.

    What does this mean? Points are VERY valuable and 4.5 looks like a mountain considering the molehill margins these teams play to.

    Let me repeat this because teams have turnover and new faces every year: This game matters to BOTH teams, all the TIME, and therefore BOTH teams play at high levels with max intensity which keeps scores close. Again, this is regardless of new and old faces. Just look at the scores the past 5 years...

    2016 

    20-19 Giants (Giants pick'em covers)
    10-7 Giants (Giants +3.5 covers)

    4 points total net point differential in two games. One one score game and a missed extra point decides the other.

    2015

    26-27 Cowboys (Giants cover +7)
    27-20 Giants (Giants cover -3)

    Net 6 point net differential. Giants need a 100 yard kick-off return to win by 7 in the 4th of this likely ends yet another 3 pt game.

    2014

    28-31 Cowboys (Giants cover +4)
    21-31 Cowboys (Cowboys cover +4.5)

    Net 13 pt differential. Only season in last 6 years which a TWO score differential can be found.

    2013

    31-36 Cowboys (Cowboys cover 3.5)
    21-24 Cowboys (Push -3)

    Net 8 pt differential. No more than a one score difference in two games.

    2012

    17-24 Cowboys (Cowboys cover -3.5)
    29-24 Giants (Giants cover -1.5)

    Net 2 pt differential. One score decides both games.

    2011

    37-34 Giants (Giants cover +4.5)

    3 pt differential.

    Over their last 11 games, there is a net 36 point differential in scores. That means the average is about THREE points (about 3.3 points exactly) per contest (on a net basis, not an absolute basis).

    And that folks, using basic arithmetic, not advanced black box systems, is why 4.5 points here is IMMENSELY VALUABLE in a Giants outright win or loss., home or road. You can do that yourself with a pen and paper. And you can win doing that. Consistently. It is basic and meaningful.

    You have to go all the way back to Game 1 of 2011 to find a 'blowout' (just 2 Td's if you consider that a 'blowout').

    31-14 Giants (Giants cover -3)

    Not only this but the Giants are 5-0 ATS in their last 5 against the Cowboys.


    #3 13-3

    Short and sweet. How is the line -4.5 Cowboys? I'll tell you: IT IS A SUPER SQUARE LINE. The Cowboys ALWAYS get padded on the line by the books particularly when they play well. Last season they had SUPER BOWL aspirations at 13-3. And that is why this line opened at -5 and is now -4.5. It is 100% a carryover from last year. That is a GOOD thing for Giant backers because we are getting a nice premium. 

    The Cowboy squares flood the books and the books know they can get a valuable premium on this line. 

    Being on the other side is a top rated insurance policy on the Giants. Sign for that policy.


     
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    Posted: Jun. 17, 2017 - 12:19 AM ET #2

    #4 Cowboys: Are they the real deal?

    Teams that go 13-3 typically don't do the same the next year (maybe except for the deity that is the Patriots). Other teams do not fair well. Expect regression from the Cowboys as other teams have a full offseason to poke and prod the nuances of Das and Elliot to expose them, and more importantly, how to crack this offensive line (which is still rated A+).

    But more curiously, the Cowboys trouble area hasn't been fixed. There has been too many defections on defense, particularly in the secondary where 39 starts went out the window (Claiborne, Carr, Church, Wilcox are all gone). The Cowboys addressed this in the draft but to what avail against the Giants passing game, which can break one at any moment with ODB and now adding Marshall and Engram?

    You do NOT want inexperience in your secondary like this giving > +4 where a TD will backdoor you! Just ask the Ravens when they played the Giants last year!

    #5. The Giants: Are they the real deal? 

    I will get to why the Giants may struggle a but this year but I don't care about this year, I care about this game.

    And I think the Giants made some good moves in the offseason and the draft to shore up deficiencies. 

    The defense is still an A. No worries there with Spagnulo leading the way at coordinator and almost all key pieces returning and healthy.

    The Giants shored up their running game (their biggest deficiency by far) NOT by bringing in a big name but by fixing the areas which make the running game possible: They settled on Perkins so you don't have this chicken wire and twine RB by committee of last year with Jennings, added DJ Fluker to the O-Line, upgraded tight end with Engram which will of course open up the run game a bit, added Wayne Gallman, a power back in the 4th round, and now give teams another worry with Marshall downfield. 

    Plus there is more health on the O-Line (Pugh and Flowers should be better).

    Manning? Always reliable against the Cowboys. Defense is there. RB shored up more. O-Line a bit better. Receiving core a threat. D will be there and O, which was a problem last year was focused on and is now taking a step forward.

    #6 Jerry Jones's kiss of death

    I LOVE when Jones starts touting his team to the media:

    "I think this team is better than last year and they'll be better right away." 

    He's thinking Super Bowl and they may lose game 1. But they can win it. Because we get 4 points. These quotes are icing on the cake.


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    #4 Cowboys: Are they the real deal?

    Teams that go 13-3 typically don't do the same the next year (maybe except for the deity that is the Patriots). Other teams do not fair well. Expect regression from the Cowboys as other teams have a full offseason to poke and prod the nuances of Das and Elliot to expose them, and more importantly, how to crack this offensive line (which is still rated A+).

    But more curiously, the Cowboys trouble area hasn't been fixed. There has been too many defections on defense, particularly in the secondary where 39 starts went out the window (Claiborne, Carr, Church, Wilcox are all gone). The Cowboys addressed this in the draft but to what avail against the Giants passing game, which can break one at any moment with ODB and now adding Marshall and Engram?

    You do NOT want inexperience in your secondary like this giving > +4 where a TD will backdoor you! Just ask the Ravens when they played the Giants last year!

    #5. The Giants: Are they the real deal? 

    I will get to why the Giants may struggle a but this year but I don't care about this year, I care about this game.

    And I think the Giants made some good moves in the offseason and the draft to shore up deficiencies. 

    The defense is still an A. No worries there with Spagnulo leading the way at coordinator and almost all key pieces returning and healthy.

    The Giants shored up their running game (their biggest deficiency by far) NOT by bringing in a big name but by fixing the areas which make the running game possible: They settled on Perkins so you don't have this chicken wire and twine RB by committee of last year with Jennings, added DJ Fluker to the O-Line, upgraded tight end with Engram which will of course open up the run game a bit, added Wayne Gallman, a power back in the 4th round, and now give teams another worry with Marshall downfield. 

    Plus there is more health on the O-Line (Pugh and Flowers should be better).

    Manning? Always reliable against the Cowboys. Defense is there. RB shored up more. O-Line a bit better. Receiving core a threat. D will be there and O, which was a problem last year was focused on and is now taking a step forward.

    #6 Jerry Jones's kiss of death

    I LOVE when Jones starts touting his team to the media:

    "I think this team is better than last year and they'll be better right away." 

    He's thinking Super Bowl and they may lose game 1. But they can win it. Because we get 4 points. These quotes are icing on the cake.


     
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    Finally #7. And this is very important so read it!

    #7 The Giants schedule

    Simply put, the NFL SCREWED the Giants this year with regard to their schedule. But before you read on understand why GAME 1 matters. Before the schedule starts the wear and tear on the Giants they can win (or cover) Game 1 with fresh legs and health out of the box.

    That means with will put an immense amount of precedence on this game since it is early in the year as late in the year things get bad (and that's in addition to the precedence ALREADY on the game due to the fact this is the Cowboys, making this a precedence sandwich of sorts!)

    The Giants play four games against teams coming off bye weeks, the most of any team in the NFL. Add in a six-day turnaround to face the Eagles after a Monday night game, and the Giants in 2017 will have 22 fewer days of rest than their opponents. The Lions are next on the list, at minus-12.

    Consider what the Giants must endure in the sixth and seventh weeks of the season. In Week 6, they will hit the road for the fourth time in the first six games of the season for a long flight to Denver. Once in the Mile High City, the Giants will face a well-rested Broncos team coming off their bye. A week later, the Giants will return home to face the Seahawks, normally a rough assignment for a West Coast team. But the Seahawks will be coming off their bye, mitigating any possible jet-lag or cross-country sluggishness.

    In Week 11, the Giants will return to MetLife Stadium seven days after playing the 49ers in Santa Clara, Calif. There to face the Giants will be the Chiefs, coming off their bye — so much for catching Andy Reid’s rugged team at the right time. Four days later, the Giants will play the Redskins in Landover, Md., on Thanksgiving.

    The Giants knew they had four road trips to the Mountain or Pacific time zones awaiting them and sent in a request to the league to have two of those trips scheduled in back-to-back weeks, allowing McAdoo, if he desired, to keep the team out west for the week. That request was not met. The four trips (to face Denver, San Francisco, Oakland and Arizona)

    Even when the Giants are coming off a break they will not gain an edge. Their bye comes where they want it, exactly at mid-season, and they will be home in Week 9 to face the Rams, coming all the way from Los Angeles. Advantage, Giants? Well, not really. The Rams also will be coming off their break. So, consider this a bye-bye game.


    After reading all that, WEEK ONE WILL MATTER A TON. And we don't even have to WIN a game to WIN a bet in a game the Giants will desperately want to win given how their schedule shakes out!! TAKE THE G-MEN!!!

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    Finally #7. And this is very important so read it!

    #7 The Giants schedule

    Simply put, the NFL SCREWED the Giants this year with regard to their schedule. But before you read on understand why GAME 1 matters. Before the schedule starts the wear and tear on the Giants they can win (or cover) Game 1 with fresh legs and health out of the box.

    That means with will put an immense amount of precedence on this game since it is early in the year as late in the year things get bad (and that's in addition to the precedence ALREADY on the game due to the fact this is the Cowboys, making this a precedence sandwich of sorts!)

    The Giants play four games against teams coming off bye weeks, the most of any team in the NFL. Add in a six-day turnaround to face the Eagles after a Monday night game, and the Giants in 2017 will have 22 fewer days of rest than their opponents. The Lions are next on the list, at minus-12.

    Consider what the Giants must endure in the sixth and seventh weeks of the season. In Week 6, they will hit the road for the fourth time in the first six games of the season for a long flight to Denver. Once in the Mile High City, the Giants will face a well-rested Broncos team coming off their bye. A week later, the Giants will return home to face the Seahawks, normally a rough assignment for a West Coast team. But the Seahawks will be coming off their bye, mitigating any possible jet-lag or cross-country sluggishness.

    In Week 11, the Giants will return to MetLife Stadium seven days after playing the 49ers in Santa Clara, Calif. There to face the Giants will be the Chiefs, coming off their bye — so much for catching Andy Reid’s rugged team at the right time. Four days later, the Giants will play the Redskins in Landover, Md., on Thanksgiving.

    The Giants knew they had four road trips to the Mountain or Pacific time zones awaiting them and sent in a request to the league to have two of those trips scheduled in back-to-back weeks, allowing McAdoo, if he desired, to keep the team out west for the week. That request was not met. The four trips (to face Denver, San Francisco, Oakland and Arizona)

    Even when the Giants are coming off a break they will not gain an edge. Their bye comes where they want it, exactly at mid-season, and they will be home in Week 9 to face the Rams, coming all the way from Los Angeles. Advantage, Giants? Well, not really. The Rams also will be coming off their break. So, consider this a bye-bye game.


    After reading all that, WEEK ONE WILL MATTER A TON. And we don't even have to WIN a game to WIN a bet in a game the Giants will desperately want to win given how their schedule shakes out!! TAKE THE G-MEN!!!

     
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    Totally agree with this.
    Didn't read a single word of your essay.

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    Totally agree with this.
    Didn't read a single word of your essay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fadeORdie:

    Totally agree with this.
    Didn't read a single word of your essay.

    Giants

    Well then you missed a boatload of useful information that will directly affect all the Giants future games this season. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by fadeORdie:

    Totally agree with this.
    Didn't read a single word of your essay.

    Giants

    Well then you missed a boatload of useful information that will directly affect all the Giants future games this season. 
     
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     Scal, I read every word. Not because I know every word is gold, but because I know you work the "mental" angle, and was wondering what could there possibly be in a Week One Game?

    You're right about the games being close (and offer PROOF-make sure you try that at home, kids)

    But the absolute GEM was finding that the Giants are playing four teams coming off a bye! Did anybody else notice that? Did anybody else POST THAT?

    For those that say Scal is too long-winded, try following somebody that posts "Cowboys s*ck" and let me know how that goes, okay?

    Scal, love the obscure finds in College (Rutgers, Temple, SMU, etc), nice to see some NFL action this early. I usually don't bet the pros, because college kids care more (another mental angle), so I'll see you there.

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     Scal, I read every word. Not because I know every word is gold, but because I know you work the "mental" angle, and was wondering what could there possibly be in a Week One Game?

    You're right about the games being close (and offer PROOF-make sure you try that at home, kids)

    But the absolute GEM was finding that the Giants are playing four teams coming off a bye! Did anybody else notice that? Did anybody else POST THAT?

    For those that say Scal is too long-winded, try following somebody that posts "Cowboys s*ck" and let me know how that goes, okay?

    Scal, love the obscure finds in College (Rutgers, Temple, SMU, etc), nice to see some NFL action this early. I usually don't bet the pros, because college kids care more (another mental angle), so I'll see you there.

    GLTA
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Hawk:

     Scal, I read every word. Not because I know every word is gold, but because I know you work the "mental" angle, and was wondering what could there possibly be in a Week One Game?

    You're right about the games being close (and offer PROOF-make sure you try that at home, kids)

    But the absolute GEM was finding that the Giants are playing four teams coming off a bye! Did anybody else notice that? Did anybody else POST THAT?

    For those that say Scal is too long-winded, try following somebody that posts "Cowboys s*ck" and let me know how that goes, okay?

    Scal, love the obscure finds in College (Rutgers, Temple, SMU, etc), nice to see some NFL action this early. I usually don't bet the pros, because college kids care more (another mental angle), so I'll see you there.

    GLTA

    Thanks for the accolades Hawk. 

    YES, 4 byes. I was VERY tempted to take the under season win total on the Giants (which is currently -8.5 and that is just a bit too low) because of the byes and the rest of their schedule, but I'm taking my Week 1 bet over the season total (where injuries can derail everything on both sides) just like my Warriros game 1 bet instead of the series bet. The first worked out and I believe the second will.

    That is why I told Fade to read the write-up! There's enough here to cap a season, not just a game. Kudos to you for reading it and not falling prey to the "low culture" that exists on this site (and always has) who would deride you for doing so.
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     Scal, I read every word. Not because I know every word is gold, but because I know you work the "mental" angle, and was wondering what could there possibly be in a Week One Game?

    You're right about the games being close (and offer PROOF-make sure you try that at home, kids)

    But the absolute GEM was finding that the Giants are playing four teams coming off a bye! Did anybody else notice that? Did anybody else POST THAT?

    For those that say Scal is too long-winded, try following somebody that posts "Cowboys s*ck" and let me know how that goes, okay?

    Scal, love the obscure finds in College (Rutgers, Temple, SMU, etc), nice to see some NFL action this early. I usually don't bet the pros, because college kids care more (another mental angle), so I'll see you there.

    GLTA

    Thanks for the accolades Hawk. 

    YES, 4 byes. I was VERY tempted to take the under season win total on the Giants (which is currently -8.5 and that is just a bit too low) because of the byes and the rest of their schedule, but I'm taking my Week 1 bet over the season total (where injuries can derail everything on both sides) just like my Warriros game 1 bet instead of the series bet. The first worked out and I believe the second will.

    That is why I told Fade to read the write-up! There's enough here to cap a season, not just a game. Kudos to you for reading it and not falling prey to the "low culture" that exists on this site (and always has) who would deride you for doing so.
     
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    I am already heavily invested in the Giants to win the NFC EAST AT +253

    See a big soft. slump for the Cowboys stars ....

    Dallas should have a much harder time this season with a First place schedule than playing a last place schedule last year 



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    I am already heavily invested in the Giants to win the NFC EAST AT +253

    See a big soft. slump for the Cowboys stars ....

    Dallas should have a much harder time this season with a First place schedule than playing a last place schedule last year 



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrakiller:

    always fade playoff teams 1st week except the superwinner



    giants made the playoffs last season
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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrakiller:

    always fade playoff teams 1st week except the superwinner



    giants made the playoffs last season
     
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    Not sure why you could not find this Scal. Took me thirty seconds 
    Histrionic personality disorder. It's sad
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    Not sure why you could not find this Scal. Took me thirty seconds 
     
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    Here it is BOL
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    wmi murder

    Thank you!

    The forum search says it's under maintenance.

    The main search doesn't bring it up. My account doesn't even have it and it went off the 10 pages of NFL forum threads! I ran out of ideas to find it otherwise!
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    wmi murder

    Thank you!

    The forum search says it's under maintenance.

    The main search doesn't bring it up. My account doesn't even have it and it went off the 10 pages of NFL forum threads! I ran out of ideas to find it otherwise!
     
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    Posted: Sep. 10, 2017 - 4:57 PM ET #13

    Probably going to be against you on this one.  GL this season, Scal. 
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    Probably going to be against you on this one.  GL this season, Scal. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    wmi murder

    Thank you!

    The forum search says it's under maintenance.

    The main search doesn't bring it up. My account doesn't even have it and it went off the 10 pages of NFL forum threads! I ran out of ideas to find it otherwise!


    Just click on your name and it brings up your post, then "filter by forum" to look at said forum
    Histrionic personality disorder. It's sad
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    wmi murder

    Thank you!

    The forum search says it's under maintenance.

    The main search doesn't bring it up. My account doesn't even have it and it went off the 10 pages of NFL forum threads! I ran out of ideas to find it otherwise!


    Just click on your name and it brings up your post, then "filter by forum" to look at said forum
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaShango:

    Probably going to be against you on this one.  GL this season, Scal. 

    Papa how do we fade this SOB going forward. I know she's getting surgery on the sinuses. Who is next for Nunes?

    Thanks Wmi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaShango:

    Probably going to be against you on this one.  GL this season, Scal. 

    Papa how do we fade this SOB going forward. I know she's getting surgery on the sinuses. Who is next for Nunes?

    Thanks Wmi.
     
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    before i read the write up,i state for the record i got Giants +170 and +4.5 pts! now to read it!
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    before i read the write up,i state for the record i got Giants +170 and +4.5 pts! now to read it!
     
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    GL poo you are on a solid side
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    Posted: Sep. 10, 2017 - 5:21 PM ET #18

    i got to point # 3 and my saliva is drooling down my face..im off to bet a tad more..thx Scal,i readthe rest later,..this is good stuff..extra "soup",i love it.
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    i got to point # 3 and my saliva is drooling down my face..im off to bet a tad more..thx Scal,i readthe rest later,..this is good stuff..extra "soup",i love it.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 10, 2017 - 5:26 PM ET #19

    ok, there we are, i assure a winning week and perhaps the ever elusive payday tonite!  what a soup up job..i'm saying what Hawk said.     nnnnynynyyyy  mfkknnn giannnttttsssssssss baybbayyyyyyyyyy
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    ok, there we are, i assure a winning week and perhaps the ever elusive payday tonite!  what a soup up job..i'm saying what Hawk said.     nnnnynynyyyy  mfkknnn giannnttttsssssssss baybbayyyyyyyyyy
     
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    Like the play and will join you
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    The more information the better....and even better is the kind of information you had no idea about...

    As always in a close game I just cant see taking  a few points is the way to go...I like the giants outright...2nd year syndrome looms for dallas qb...defence is probably worse than last year...and Elliot probably a bit undercooked considering his problems...
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    The more information the better....and even better is the kind of information you had no idea about...

    As always in a close game I just cant see taking  a few points is the way to go...I like the giants outright...2nd year syndrome looms for dallas qb...defence is probably worse than last year...and Elliot probably a bit undercooked considering his problems...
     
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    Great read! Thanks

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    Wmi big szch- now you all have me adding more to my own pick
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    BIG BLUE 
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    Giants ML, they already won 
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