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    Giants backers - you have less than 24 hours to talk me out of betting the Patriots

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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2008 - 12:10 AM ET #51

    here is my main argument, which should talk you all into hedging out of your pats wagers
     
     
    "my shit doesnt stink" TOM BRADY =
    Belicheat =
    "Rodney Roids" Harrison =
    Pats fans =
     
     
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    here is my main argument, which should talk you all into hedging out of your pats wagers
     
     
    "my shit doesnt stink" TOM BRADY =
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    thank you
     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2008 - 12:23 AM ET #52

    I like the Giants at my +13.5.
     
    Eli will feel the pressure to put up points......He'll create points for one team or the other.  That plus an easy 30 from the Pats O without any help makes it easy for me.
     
    Only way it stays under....and best chance for Giants to win SU....is if they go straight down the field for 7 to start it and then get a stop.  Then maybe they can try to work the clock.
     
    But NE's defense isn't bulletproof.
     
    Muhammad and Delhomme set records against em.  Every one of their SB wins has been tight.
     
    Nobody's run on the Giants, Pats won't come out trying to.  Spread offense, nobody can man up Moss and Stallworth is a load quicker than NYG's 3rd best R.W.  RW was old 2 years ago. 
     
    The Giants will score an easy 20....and the Pats will score an easy 30. 
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    I like the Giants at my +13.5.
     
    Eli will feel the pressure to put up points......He'll create points for one team or the other.  That plus an easy 30 from the Pats O without any help makes it easy for me.
     
    Only way it stays under....and best chance for Giants to win SU....is if they go straight down the field for 7 to start it and then get a stop.  Then maybe they can try to work the clock.
     
    But NE's defense isn't bulletproof.
     
    Muhammad and Delhomme set records against em.  Every one of their SB wins has been tight.
     
    Nobody's run on the Giants, Pats won't come out trying to.  Spread offense, nobody can man up Moss and Stallworth is a load quicker than NYG's 3rd best R.W.  RW was old 2 years ago. 
     
    The Giants will score an easy 20....and the Pats will score an easy 30. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2008 - 1:24 AM ET #53

    Good Luck to All!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Good Luck to All!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2008 - 3:40 AM ET #54

    didnt these two play just the other week? what was that score agian...i know i know im just saying thats all.....
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    didnt these two play just the other week? what was that score agian...i know i know im just saying thats all.....
     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2008 - 3:41 AM ET #55

    Why not Giants to cover?
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2008 - 3:49 AM ET #56

    You want a reason to bet on New York? How about New England want cover the spread. Is that a good enough reason? 
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    You want a reason to bet on New York? How about New England want cover the spread. Is that a good enough reason? 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2008 - 4:00 AM ET #57

    Take NE -11.5. If you get the Giants, you'll start punching yourself repeatedly in the man region by the 2nd q. you will ask yourself why you thought an NFC team would be able to hang with an AFC team; why you thought Eli is even close to Brady; why you thought the Giants' front 4 would get to Brady. Save yourself from all that agony and regret and bet the Pats  
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    Take NE -11.5. If you get the Giants, you'll start punching yourself repeatedly in the man region by the 2nd q. you will ask yourself why you thought an NFC team would be able to hang with an AFC team; why you thought Eli is even close to Brady; why you thought the Giants' front 4 would get to Brady. Save yourself from all that agony and regret and bet the Pats  
     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2008 - 4:55 AM ET #58

    During the last 9 weeks of football, including playoffs, the Pats were 2-7 against the spread. The difference between this period and the first 8 weeks of football is that the Pats were throwing the ball downfield when they were covering the spread. In last 9 weeks, they had to play more of a west coast style due to rain, wind, snow and freezing temps. During this time, the Pats played in Foxboro, Baltimore, Philly, Buffalo, NY and Miami(rain). My point is that they will be playing in a warm environment in which weather won't affect New England's offensive game plan. Yes, they will mix in the run with Maroney but Belicheck's style is to throw long and score a bunch. He is obviously not a conservative coach. He doesn't have a gracious style. He will rub your nose in the dirt. Another point I will make is that New England is equipped with an offensive line to handle NY's defensive front. New England's line is the best in the league. Every time the tv cameras have been on Brady this year, he hasn't had a bead of sweat in his hair or on his face and his equipment manager hasn't even had to wash his jersey. If NY does decide to try and put pressure on Brady, NY's secondary will be left to play man to man! Are you kidding me! On paper, the Giants don't match up well against New England and on the field, I believe we'll see the same result as the last 18 weeks. New England 34-NY20
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    During the last 9 weeks of football, including playoffs, the Pats were 2-7 against the spread. The difference between this period and the first 8 weeks of football is that the Pats were throwing the ball downfield when they were covering the spread. In last 9 weeks, they had to play more of a west coast style due to rain, wind, snow and freezing temps. During this time, the Pats played in Foxboro, Baltimore, Philly, Buffalo, NY and Miami(rain). My point is that they will be playing in a warm environment in which weather won't affect New England's offensive game plan. Yes, they will mix in the run with Maroney but Belicheck's style is to throw long and score a bunch. He is obviously not a conservative coach. He doesn't have a gracious style. He will rub your nose in the dirt. Another point I will make is that New England is equipped with an offensive line to handle NY's defensive front. New England's line is the best in the league. Every time the tv cameras have been on Brady this year, he hasn't had a bead of sweat in his hair or on his face and his equipment manager hasn't even had to wash his jersey. If NY does decide to try and put pressure on Brady, NY's secondary will be left to play man to man! Are you kidding me! On paper, the Giants don't match up well against New England and on the field, I believe we'll see the same result as the last 18 weeks. New England 34-NY20
     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2008 - 5:11 AM ET #59

    Giants!!! they played better on the road !!!
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    Giants!!! they played better on the road !!!
     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2008 - 7:21 AM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy629:

    Giants!!! they played better on the road !!!

    Did the Pats lose a road game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy629:

    Giants!!! they played better on the road !!!

    Did the Pats lose a road game?

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2008 - 7:27 AM ET #61

    Quote Originally Posted by Staggerlee66:

    here is one valid reason...Pats are overvalued and have covered as an overvalued favorite in ONE of it's lat 8 games...that's 1-7 vs, the spread L8. Giants on the other hand have covered 7 of last 8 and have done so as a dog on the road and thrive in this spot....guess what ...still  big dog on the road w/ Pats still OVERVALUED... if you cant find anything to back the dog w/ at this point.... God be w/ you cuz you are just the same ignoramous that lost $$ in previous spots laying wood. This Pats team is pretty good.  I would say without question that they are flawed and w/ out question this is not even the best Pats team we have seen.  Keep getting caught up in the record when this team is not even the best Pats team that won a SB.  Go figure??  Can wait until afterwards when they put this joke of a team up vs the likes of a non free agent team from the 70's......who would absolutely slaughter this shell of a defense.  Giants win 27-19  

    You said 33-21 in your first post in this thread, now you say 27-19. Plus you can't read, I've been on the Patriots plus points in every game except Jacksonville.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Staggerlee66:

    here is one valid reason...Pats are overvalued and have covered as an overvalued favorite in ONE of it's lat 8 games...that's 1-7 vs, the spread L8. Giants on the other hand have covered 7 of last 8 and have done so as a dog on the road and thrive in this spot....guess what ...still  big dog on the road w/ Pats still OVERVALUED... if you cant find anything to back the dog w/ at this point.... God be w/ you cuz you are just the same ignoramous that lost $$ in previous spots laying wood. This Pats team is pretty good.  I would say without question that they are flawed and w/ out question this is not even the best Pats team we have seen.  Keep getting caught up in the record when this team is not even the best Pats team that won a SB.  Go figure??  Can wait until afterwards when they put this joke of a team up vs the likes of a non free agent team from the 70's......who would absolutely slaughter this shell of a defense.  Giants win 27-19  

    You said 33-21 in your first post in this thread, now you say 27-19. Plus you can't read, I've been on the Patriots plus points in every game except Jacksonville.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2008 - 7:28 AM ET #62

    Quote Originally Posted by CumMonday:

    You want a reason to bet on New York? How about New England want cover the spread. Is that a good enough reason? 

     No, it's not even close to being a good enough reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CumMonday:

    You want a reason to bet on New York? How about New England want cover the spread. Is that a good enough reason? 

     No, it's not even close to being a good enough reason.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2008 - 7:30 AM ET #63

    Read my THREAD. I Strongly believe the GMen has a chance.

    Like they say, It's up to you. ITs UR OWN BENJAMINS to Win or Lose.
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    Read my THREAD. I Strongly believe the GMen has a chance.

    Like they say, It's up to you. ITs UR OWN BENJAMINS to Win or Lose.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2008 - 8:11 AM ET #64

    I actually bet AGAINST the Patriots in their last two games BUT there were several instances that they could have beaten that line in both games EXCEPT for the weather.  I look for him to have a great game against the Giants even if the Giants play well.  He can thread those passes in to the receivers today when the wind is not making his passes go astray.  I look for the Patriot's receivers to hold onto the ball better than they did during those "weather" games.  At least, that is the way I am betting.
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    I actually bet AGAINST the Patriots in their last two games BUT there were several instances that they could have beaten that line in both games EXCEPT for the weather.  I look for him to have a great game against the Giants even if the Giants play well.  He can thread those passes in to the receivers today when the wind is not making his passes go astray.  I look for the Patriot's receivers to hold onto the ball better than they did during those "weather" games.  At least, that is the way I am betting.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Staggerlee66:

    here is one valid reason...Pats are overvalued and have covered as an overvalued favorite in ONE of it's lat 8 games...that's 1-7 vs, the spread L8. Giants on the other hand have covered 7 of last 8 and have done so as a dog on the road and thrive in this spot....guess what ...still  big dog on the road w/ Pats still OVERVALUED... if you cant find anything to back the dog w/ at this point.... God be w/ you cuz you are just the same ignoramous that lost $$ in previous spots laying wood. This Pats team is pretty good.  I would say without question that they are flawed and w/ out question this is not even the best Pats team we have seen.  Keep getting caught up in the record when this team is not even the best Pats team that won a SB.  Go figure??  Can wait until afterwards when they put this joke of a team up vs the likes of a non free agent team from the 70's......who would absolutely slaughter this shell of a defense.  Giants win 27-19  

     

    Staggerlee66 is either Splooge's evil twin.....or he's just Splooge.

     

    Either one is about 12 hours away from having egg on face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Staggerlee66:

    here is one valid reason...Pats are overvalued and have covered as an overvalued favorite in ONE of it's lat 8 games...that's 1-7 vs, the spread L8. Giants on the other hand have covered 7 of last 8 and have done so as a dog on the road and thrive in this spot....guess what ...still  big dog on the road w/ Pats still OVERVALUED... if you cant find anything to back the dog w/ at this point.... God be w/ you cuz you are just the same ignoramous that lost $$ in previous spots laying wood. This Pats team is pretty good.  I would say without question that they are flawed and w/ out question this is not even the best Pats team we have seen.  Keep getting caught up in the record when this team is not even the best Pats team that won a SB.  Go figure??  Can wait until afterwards when they put this joke of a team up vs the likes of a non free agent team from the 70's......who would absolutely slaughter this shell of a defense.  Giants win 27-19  

     

    Staggerlee66 is either Splooge's evil twin.....or he's just Splooge.

     

    Either one is about 12 hours away from having egg on face.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2008 - 9:38 AM ET #66

    Quote Originally Posted by 3rd_and_Long:

    You said 33-21 in your first post in this thread, now you say 27-19. Plus you can't read, I've been on the Patriots plus points in every game except Jacksonville.

    Should say I've gone against the Patriots in every game except Jacksonville.

    Should not post before I have coffee

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3rd_and_Long:

    You said 33-21 in your first post in this thread, now you say 27-19. Plus you can't read, I've been on the Patriots plus points in every game except Jacksonville.

    Should say I've gone against the Patriots in every game except Jacksonville.

    Should not post before I have coffee

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2008 - 10:01 AM ET #67

    really liked the pats before i got on here and saw that everyone and there mother was taking the pats.  another covers bloodbath!!!
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    really liked the pats before i got on here and saw that everyone and there mother was taking the pats.  another covers bloodbath!!!
     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2008 - 10:03 AM ET #68

    The Patriots have been a tough team to bet against all year. Considering that playing in XLII has been basically their birthrite all year and the Giants are a wild card team you have to bet on the Pats pedigree. Pats win 42-24
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    The Patriots have been a tough team to bet against all year. Considering that playing in XLII has been basically their birthrite all year and the Giants are a wild card team you have to bet on the Pats pedigree. Pats win 42-24
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by luckynicho:

    really liked the pats before i got on here and saw that everyone and there mother was taking the pats.  another covers bloodbath!!!

    Sure, posts on Covers have been determining the outcome of football games for years now.

    How did that work out in the LSU game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by luckynicho:

    really liked the pats before i got on here and saw that everyone and there mother was taking the pats.  another covers bloodbath!!!

    Sure, posts on Covers have been determining the outcome of football games for years now.

    How did that work out in the LSU game?

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2008 - 10:16 AM ET #70

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    i hate the dolphins much much much much than i do the pats and giants combined

     

    KOAJ........especially that team from 72................

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    i hate the dolphins much much much much than i do the pats and giants combined

     

    KOAJ........especially that team from 72................

     
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    the difference in this game isn't gonna be the giants o versus the pats d...it's gonna be just the opposite.  if you take the pats first 8 games...they were outscoring teams by an average of 41-17...with no game being within 2 touchdowns...and only 1 being within 3 touchdowns.  8-0 against the spread and brady putting up cartoon like numbers (2431 passing (304 per), with 30 tds and only 2 ints!!!).  the last 10 have been a different story.  defense is still only giving up 18 per...but offense is down 10 to 31 per.  only 3 of those 10 have been by 2 td's or more...and 5 of the 10 have been within single digits!!!   brady's numbers are still impressive...but human!!!  (2846...285/per...with 25 td's and 9 picks!!!)   2-8 ats in that period!!! 
     
    if the giants can slow down moss...hit him at the line...and basically take him out of the game like the jags and sd did...then i think you have a ballgame.  do i think the giants will win...i hope not...i'm a hug pats fan and i don't think we'll ever get the chance to see perfection again....do i think they cover....absolutely!!!!  
     
    good luck to all...whichever way you go!!!  it's been a great season!!!
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    the difference in this game isn't gonna be the giants o versus the pats d...it's gonna be just the opposite.  if you take the pats first 8 games...they were outscoring teams by an average of 41-17...with no game being within 2 touchdowns...and only 1 being within 3 touchdowns.  8-0 against the spread and brady putting up cartoon like numbers (2431 passing (304 per), with 30 tds and only 2 ints!!!).  the last 10 have been a different story.  defense is still only giving up 18 per...but offense is down 10 to 31 per.  only 3 of those 10 have been by 2 td's or more...and 5 of the 10 have been within single digits!!!   brady's numbers are still impressive...but human!!!  (2846...285/per...with 25 td's and 9 picks!!!)   2-8 ats in that period!!! 
     
    if the giants can slow down moss...hit him at the line...and basically take him out of the game like the jags and sd did...then i think you have a ballgame.  do i think the giants will win...i hope not...i'm a hug pats fan and i don't think we'll ever get the chance to see perfection again....do i think they cover....absolutely!!!!  
     
    good luck to all...whichever way you go!!!  it's been a great season!!!
     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2008 - 10:44 AM ET #72

    I can't help but think that the extra week off may have taken some of the rhythm from the Giants...they were on a roll no doubt and now they have a lot of young guys that find themselves thinking about the game, that is part of a huge "event" and maybe it will be a little overwhelming.  My guess is the Pats will try to start fast and put the game in Eli's hands and try to force the G-Men to abandon the running game.  The I am sure Belichek will probably show some kind of bracket coverage on Plaxico and make another receiver make plays to beat them.  Just my two cents.  GL to all in whatever you play. 
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    I can't help but think that the extra week off may have taken some of the rhythm from the Giants...they were on a roll no doubt and now they have a lot of young guys that find themselves thinking about the game, that is part of a huge "event" and maybe it will be a little overwhelming.  My guess is the Pats will try to start fast and put the game in Eli's hands and try to force the G-Men to abandon the running game.  The I am sure Belichek will probably show some kind of bracket coverage on Plaxico and make another receiver make plays to beat them.  Just my two cents.  GL to all in whatever you play. 
     
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    short version: you beat a good offense by keeping their ass on the sidelines.  If the nyg can do that and score points, then we have a huge upset.  Long version: if either starting qb gets dinged early, lay heavy wood on the other team at halftime!

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    short version: you beat a good offense by keeping their ass on the sidelines.  If the nyg can do that and score points, then we have a huge upset.  Long version: if either starting qb gets dinged early, lay heavy wood on the other team at halftime!

     
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    Posted: Feb. 3, 2008 - 11:05 AM ET #74

    They have to do the same thing they have done over the past 3 games.
     
    Do not turn the ball over.
     
    Run the ball with Jacobs and Bradshaw he did play in the season finale.
     
    Do not get down early and take the running game away.
     
    Get pressure with Osi Tuck and Strahan
     
     
    I am not looking for a win just a cover. They have to play a perfect game to win but not to cover. I will have other bets such as Giant ML but will back it up with some NE plays
     
    Pats win 31-21
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    They have to do the same thing they have done over the past 3 games.
     
    Do not turn the ball over.
     
    Run the ball with Jacobs and Bradshaw he did play in the season finale.
     
    Do not get down early and take the running game away.
     
    Get pressure with Osi Tuck and Strahan
     
     
    I am not looking for a win just a cover. They have to play a perfect game to win but not to cover. I will have other bets such as Giant ML but will back it up with some NE plays
     
    Pats win 31-21
     
     
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    i personally see only 1 matchup favoring giants and that is the nice tailback counterpart of jacobs and bradshaw v. Ne shitty old linebackers. i believe this edge is diminished though by seau's drive and determination and likely retirement he will leave it all on the field and will not run around any blocks tonight + bilicheck has had an extra week to scheme away this advantage, the giants must have early success to open up the deep middle passing game and exploit Ne overated safeties (harrison is a gamer i know)
     
    that being said i believe if you like the giants just put your money on the over. you may be wrong and still get the W. but i dont see any scenario where the giants win this game in a low scoring affair ie to win they will have to put up 30+ pts and is there anyway they one beat ne by more than 7pts? and second can they even hope to contain NE. my answer is no to both. (sorry to disagree with that mensa memb plaxico)
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    i personally see only 1 matchup favoring giants and that is the nice tailback counterpart of jacobs and bradshaw v. Ne shitty old linebackers. i believe this edge is diminished though by seau's drive and determination and likely retirement he will leave it all on the field and will not run around any blocks tonight + bilicheck has had an extra week to scheme away this advantage, the giants must have early success to open up the deep middle passing game and exploit Ne overated safeties (harrison is a gamer i know)
     
    that being said i believe if you like the giants just put your money on the over. you may be wrong and still get the W. but i dont see any scenario where the giants win this game in a low scoring affair ie to win they will have to put up 30+ pts and is there anyway they one beat ne by more than 7pts? and second can they even hope to contain NE. my answer is no to both. (sorry to disagree with that mensa memb plaxico)
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