Rule 9 - Scrimmage Kick Section 4 - Ball Crosses Goal Line, Touches Goal Posts, Out of Bounds, Dead in Field of Play
Ball Crosses Receivers’ Goal Line
Article 1 If a scrimmage kick crosses the receiver’s goal line from the impetus of the kick, the following shall apply: (a) If the ball has not been touched by a player of the receiving team beyond the line of scrimmage, it is dead immediately, and the result of the play is a touchback, when: (1) it touches the ground on or behind the receiver’s goal line, (2) it touches a player of the kicking team who is touching the ground on or behind the receiver’s goal line, or (3) it touches a player of the kicking team who has touched the ground on or behind the receiver’s goal line and has not re-established himself in the field of play.
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Here is the NFL rule:
Rule 9 - Scrimmage Kick Section 4 - Ball Crosses Goal Line, Touches Goal Posts, Out of Bounds, Dead in Field of Play
Ball Crosses Receivers’ Goal Line
Article 1 If a scrimmage kick crosses the receiver’s goal line from the impetus of the kick, the following shall apply: (a) If the ball has not been touched by a player of the receiving team beyond the line of scrimmage, it is dead immediately, and the result of the play is a touchback, when: (1) it touches the ground on or behind the receiver’s goal line, (2) it touches a player of the kicking team who is touching the ground on or behind the receiver’s goal line, or (3) it touches a player of the kicking team who has touched the ground on or behind the receiver’s goal line and has not re-established himself in the field of play.
so a pro player jumping from inside the field of play... can bat a ball back into play before any part of tier body touches out of bounds. If you are out of bounds at anytime during the play prior to touching the ball its dead.
college players can bat balls back into play, but they must be inbounds the whole time. If you bat it back in... you then you must land back in as well.
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so a pro player jumping from inside the field of play... can bat a ball back into play before any part of tier body touches out of bounds. If you are out of bounds at anytime during the play prior to touching the ball its dead.
college players can bat balls back into play, but they must be inbounds the whole time. If you bat it back in... you then you must land back in as well.
Here is what I could find in the NCAA rule book although it isn't that useful to the question:
Rule 6 - Kicks Section 3 - Scrimmage Kicks
Beyond the Neutral Zone ARTICLE 2. a. No inbounds player of the kicking team shall touch a scrimmage kick that has crossed the neutral zone before it touches an opponent. Such illegal touching is a violation that, when the ball becomes dead, gives the receiving team the privilege of taking the ball at the spot of the violation (Exception: Rules 6-3-4 and 8-4-2-b) (A.R. 2-11-2-I and A.R. 6-3-2-I).
Rule 6, Section 3, Article 9 Touching Ground On or Behind Goal Line ARTICLE 9. The ball becomes dead and belongs to the team defending its goal line when a scrimmage kick that has crossed the neutral zone is subsequently untouched by Team B before touching the ground on or behind Team B’s goal line (Rule 8-4-2-b) (A.R. 6-3-9-I-III and A.R. 8-4-2-IV).
Loose Behind the Goal Line ARTICLE 11. If a scrimmage kick untouched by Team B after crossing the neutral zone is batted in Team B’s end zone by a player of Team A, it is a violation for illegal touching (Rule 6-3-2). The spot of the violation is Team B’s 20-yard line, which may be a penalty enforcement spot for fouls by Team A during the kick play (Rules 6-3-13 and 10-2-4) (Exception: Rule 8-4-2-b) (A.R. 6-3-11-I-III and A.R 2-11-2-I).
Beyond the Neutral Zone—ARTICLE 2 Approved Ruling 6-3-2
IV. Team A commits illegal touching. RULING: Not a foul. Team B may choose to put the ball in play at any spot of illegal touching or where the ball is dead, including a touchback. If this was an unsuccessful field goal attempt and Team B did not touch the kick beyond the neutral zone, the options of Rule 8-4-2-b are available to the receiving team.
Touching Ground On or Behind Goal Line—ARTICLE 9 Approved Ruling 6-3-9 I. A Team A player illegally touches a punt and the ball then rolls into Team B’s end zone, where Team B recovers and advances the ball into the field of play. RULING: The ball is dead when it strikes the ground in the end zone. Team B may choose a touchback or take the ball at the spot of Team A’s illegal touching (Rule 4-1-3-c).
It is interesting that downing a punt is considered illegal touching.
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Here is what I could find in the NCAA rule book although it isn't that useful to the question:
Rule 6 - Kicks Section 3 - Scrimmage Kicks
Beyond the Neutral Zone ARTICLE 2. a. No inbounds player of the kicking team shall touch a scrimmage kick that has crossed the neutral zone before it touches an opponent. Such illegal touching is a violation that, when the ball becomes dead, gives the receiving team the privilege of taking the ball at the spot of the violation (Exception: Rules 6-3-4 and 8-4-2-b) (A.R. 2-11-2-I and A.R. 6-3-2-I).
Rule 6, Section 3, Article 9 Touching Ground On or Behind Goal Line ARTICLE 9. The ball becomes dead and belongs to the team defending its goal line when a scrimmage kick that has crossed the neutral zone is subsequently untouched by Team B before touching the ground on or behind Team B’s goal line (Rule 8-4-2-b) (A.R. 6-3-9-I-III and A.R. 8-4-2-IV).
Loose Behind the Goal Line ARTICLE 11. If a scrimmage kick untouched by Team B after crossing the neutral zone is batted in Team B’s end zone by a player of Team A, it is a violation for illegal touching (Rule 6-3-2). The spot of the violation is Team B’s 20-yard line, which may be a penalty enforcement spot for fouls by Team A during the kick play (Rules 6-3-13 and 10-2-4) (Exception: Rule 8-4-2-b) (A.R. 6-3-11-I-III and A.R 2-11-2-I).
Beyond the Neutral Zone—ARTICLE 2 Approved Ruling 6-3-2
IV. Team A commits illegal touching. RULING: Not a foul. Team B may choose to put the ball in play at any spot of illegal touching or where the ball is dead, including a touchback. If this was an unsuccessful field goal attempt and Team B did not touch the kick beyond the neutral zone, the options of Rule 8-4-2-b are available to the receiving team.
Touching Ground On or Behind Goal Line—ARTICLE 9 Approved Ruling 6-3-9 I. A Team A player illegally touches a punt and the ball then rolls into Team B’s end zone, where Team B recovers and advances the ball into the field of play. RULING: The ball is dead when it strikes the ground in the end zone. Team B may choose a touchback or take the ball at the spot of Team A’s illegal touching (Rule 4-1-3-c).
It is interesting that downing a punt is considered illegal touching.
In NCAA or NFL if the player is touching the goal line and touches the ball it would be considered a touchback.
Scenario: Player runs down field and steps on goal line and then jumps and bats ball back into field of play.
In college it appears that the ball is downed at the spot so long as the player downing it isn't touching the line.
In the NFL this would be a touchback because the player touched the goal line and didn't re-establish himself in the field of play prior to touching the ball.
There is nothing in the NCAA rule book that requires the college player to re-establish so would take that as he can use the end zone as his launching pad for his jump. The NFL rule book is clear that the pro player must jump before hitting the end zone.
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In NCAA or NFL if the player is touching the goal line and touches the ball it would be considered a touchback.
Scenario: Player runs down field and steps on goal line and then jumps and bats ball back into field of play.
In college it appears that the ball is downed at the spot so long as the player downing it isn't touching the line.
In the NFL this would be a touchback because the player touched the goal line and didn't re-establish himself in the field of play prior to touching the ball.
There is nothing in the NCAA rule book that requires the college player to re-establish so would take that as he can use the end zone as his launching pad for his jump. The NFL rule book is clear that the pro player must jump before hitting the end zone.
To my knowledge, there is no difference. A player cannot touch any part of the endzone and bat the ball back in play to be downed, or it's a touchback. They can cross the plane in the air, but no part of their bodies can touch the endzone and the ball. That goes for both college and pro.
Agreed. Think the interesting point here is that the "plane" isnt in play. So on a TD if the ball crosses the plane of the goal line its a TD. SO even though a punt can cross the goal line a player can jump and knock it back into the field of play - as long as he doesnt touch the end zone whilst doing it.
Thats my understanding - but im open to correction.
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Quote Originally Posted by longhornswin:
To my knowledge, there is no difference. A player cannot touch any part of the endzone and bat the ball back in play to be downed, or it's a touchback. They can cross the plane in the air, but no part of their bodies can touch the endzone and the ball. That goes for both college and pro.
Agreed. Think the interesting point here is that the "plane" isnt in play. So on a TD if the ball crosses the plane of the goal line its a TD. SO even though a punt can cross the goal line a player can jump and knock it back into the field of play - as long as he doesnt touch the end zone whilst doing it.
Thats my understanding - but im open to correction.
"Rule is definitly not the same...pros have to be completely out of the endzone...college you can have at least on foot in...not sure of the exact rule but the rule is definitly different "
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guy at work agrees with me....lol
"Rule is definitly not the same...pros have to be completely out of the endzone...college you can have at least on foot in...not sure of the exact rule but the rule is definitly different "
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