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    Fixed game or not. (My perspective from Taiwan)

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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 3:05 AM ET #51

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDrizzle77:

    This makes me happy to know that not just Americans are full of bloated, half-asssed comments after losing a bet fueled by sentence fragments filled with "fixed" and "vegas."

    Just goes to show you that even in Taiwan, when a man loses a bet, he points to vegas and the league for stealing his money on the fix.

    I hear you, but to be honest, I wasnt really trying to point to anyone (or Vegas or the League) for stealing my money, and neither was I really complaining... A loss is a loss, and there is no two ways about it, and my loss wouldnt be reduced by complaining or crying fix. Just wanted to learn from my mistakes or see if there is anything that I can gain/learn from with this loss... Hence, many thanks for the replies, positive or negative, they have all been very informative to me, for my future reference. Thanks all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDrizzle77:

    This makes me happy to know that not just Americans are full of bloated, half-asssed comments after losing a bet fueled by sentence fragments filled with "fixed" and "vegas."

    Just goes to show you that even in Taiwan, when a man loses a bet, he points to vegas and the league for stealing his money on the fix.

    I hear you, but to be honest, I wasnt really trying to point to anyone (or Vegas or the League) for stealing my money, and neither was I really complaining... A loss is a loss, and there is no two ways about it, and my loss wouldnt be reduced by complaining or crying fix. Just wanted to learn from my mistakes or see if there is anything that I can gain/learn from with this loss... Hence, many thanks for the replies, positive or negative, they have all been very informative to me, for my future reference. Thanks all.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 3:07 AM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by mafioso:


    Great post, and you like myself so many times over are just wasting our time trying to educate the MASSES of A$$E$

    really they arent worth it

    Thank you for the support, and it makes me feel somewhat better that a few of you also have similar doubts or suspicions... at least, I know I am not too out of line here... haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafioso:


    Great post, and you like myself so many times over are just wasting our time trying to educate the MASSES of A$$E$

    really they arent worth it

    Thank you for the support, and it makes me feel somewhat better that a few of you also have similar doubts or suspicions... at least, I know I am not too out of line here... haha

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 3:11 AM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by kevraid:

    Fixed games are not close to the spread

    Personally, I think some are, and some aren't (if there are indeed "fixed games" around). For the closer ones (to the spread), I can think of one good reason for this particular Superbowl-- TV ratings as well as producing an exciting & fun game to watch for the general public and media hype... just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevraid:

    Fixed games are not close to the spread

    Personally, I think some are, and some aren't (if there are indeed "fixed games" around). For the closer ones (to the spread), I can think of one good reason for this particular Superbowl-- TV ratings as well as producing an exciting & fun game to watch for the general public and media hype... just my opinion.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by miumiu921:

    I have been a long-time member/lurker on Covers, rarely post but have been reading most of the posts in the forum.

    Whether this Superbowl game was truly fixed or not, here are my perspective and reasons:

    (1) The biggest sports-wagering site in Taiwan (called Worldwide) had this game up last night (they only have the game/lines 1 day before the actual game, unlike most other sites in the US). At first, Seattle Seahawks line was -0.5 but poor juice (went from 94% to 90% in the first hour, and from 90% to 86% within the first 3 hours; and never recovered from the low juice until 1 hour before gametime). This rarely happens (staying at such a low juice on one side, Seattle, for almost the entire betting action time) for such a big game like this. Even though Superbowl is not as popular in Taiwan, but it is still a widely wagered game. However, one hour before game time, the line for Seattle went from -1 to pk, with normal juice or high juice again at 96%. My conclusion: something is up, even books in Taiwan somehow knew... 

    (2) Almost every thread I opened was talking about "Under", and you can see it for yourselves too on Covers. Based on the threads that I have opened, it seemed 80% or more of the threads had "Under". But guess what? At that time, I knew the Under wouldnt cash in for such a big game like this... And guess what? Even after no-scoring in the 1st quarter, they produced 28 points in the 2nd quarter alone, making sure any 1st half Unders are toast, and you cannot even buy out your original full game Unders because the 2nd half O/U line was 24. Even if you tried to buy out with Over 24, it was a still push for the 2nd half; but the more important full game under at 47, 48, 49 are all toasted. My conclusion: Vegas wins big on most of the Over/Under bets.

    (3) I have been watching very closely on the Superbowl lines for the last 2 weeks (i.e. Pinnacle). I can tell (I may be wrong, but I think this is true, and Vegas will release their numbers and profits soon) that even though most of the bets (not $$ amounts) are on NE (as also suggested by Covers Consensus 60% NE, 40% Seattle), but the big money was coming in heavily on Seattle Seahawks (including mine), especially in the last couple of days, which is why you see the line went from pk to -1, and juice went from -102 for Seattle to -110 for Seattle on pinnacle in the last 1-2 days, until 1-2 hour before gametime (when most of the wagers have probably been placed already). So, if Seattle wins, I think Vegas stands to lose some big money (again, we will be able to know the actul profit/loss figures when Vegas released it). My conclusion: Vegas wont want Seattle win.

    (4) With 40 some seconds left, when Seattle made it 2nd and goal at the 1-yard line, if they score a TD, NE would just need a Field Goal to tie. Normally, any coach on the opposing team should call a time out there (because the odds are Seattle is going to score a TD with the amount of time left and 2 timeouts remaining, plus how well Lynch has been running). Why didn't NE call a timeout?? Unless they knew they are gonna get an interception or win the game somehow, someway.... My conclusion: Seattle probably got the call from Vegas to dump the game.

    (5) With 2 Time outs left (Seahawks also wasted a timeout the down before (1st down), as the play clock went to zero, dont get that part either; I guess Vegas wants to make full sure that Seattle wont get the ball back after the interception) and ball at the 1-yard line at 2nd down (3 tries to the end zone), any coach with any sense would run there (at least on the 2nd down), and give Lynch a shot (especially he had already run 4 yards from the 5-yard line to 1-yard line on the previous down). Even if they want to throw, why not throw at the corners where its less covered or less chance for interception? Why throw at the middle where there are tons of NE defenders? Or why even bother throwing at 2nd down? I can see they try throwing on 3rd down or 4th down... but never on 2nd down with Wilson throwing... My conclusion: only way it will make sure NE wins, cuz if they hand the ball to Lynch, he will score maybe 70% of the times, if not more. Vegas or Seattle can't risk that if NE needs to win.

    (6) So, why fix this game? who gains?

    (a) Vegas wins (because most of the bigger bets, heavy money were probably on Seattle and Under; guess what? both lost). Vegas probably took some hit in NBA this season, as many average joes made money thru betting those streaky teams, including Atlanta and Golden State; look at this, even someone has broken the Streak21 record this season, and reached 24; I am sure many average bettors win in the NBA when Atlanta and GS were playing like ATS covering machines until last week, after Brackson's streak is broken (with GS playing against the Bulls).

    (b) The NFL probably also wants Tom Brady to win this Superbowl too, so that he will not go down as a choker (by losing 3 straight superbowls). They need Tom Brady as icon (like Michael Jordan or Lebron James). It's good for the game and promotion, and for the NFL brand too. SeaHawks are a young team with lots of talent, and NFL knows they will still have plenty of chances. So, next time, if Seattle ever goes to Superbowl again, mark my words, Vegas probably needs to return them a big favor... haha... We shall see.

    I am not an expert and I am from Taiwan and dont follow the games that closely as some of the posters here. But, I am just bringing this up, based on my own observation and perspective. Hope this makes sense, and that my conspiracy theory is not too far out of line. What are your thoughts? Any feedback or corrections are welcomed. Thanks.   

     


    So  that catch to set up first and goal was scripted too ? Wake up mate they are here to take you back to the asylum
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    Quote Originally Posted by miumiu921:

    I have been a long-time member/lurker on Covers, rarely post but have been reading most of the posts in the forum.

    Whether this Superbowl game was truly fixed or not, here are my perspective and reasons:

    (1) The biggest sports-wagering site in Taiwan (called Worldwide) had this game up last night (they only have the game/lines 1 day before the actual game, unlike most other sites in the US). At first, Seattle Seahawks line was -0.5 but poor juice (went from 94% to 90% in the first hour, and from 90% to 86% within the first 3 hours; and never recovered from the low juice until 1 hour before gametime). This rarely happens (staying at such a low juice on one side, Seattle, for almost the entire betting action time) for such a big game like this. Even though Superbowl is not as popular in Taiwan, but it is still a widely wagered game. However, one hour before game time, the line for Seattle went from -1 to pk, with normal juice or high juice again at 96%. My conclusion: something is up, even books in Taiwan somehow knew... 

    (2) Almost every thread I opened was talking about "Under", and you can see it for yourselves too on Covers. Based on the threads that I have opened, it seemed 80% or more of the threads had "Under". But guess what? At that time, I knew the Under wouldnt cash in for such a big game like this... And guess what? Even after no-scoring in the 1st quarter, they produced 28 points in the 2nd quarter alone, making sure any 1st half Unders are toast, and you cannot even buy out your original full game Unders because the 2nd half O/U line was 24. Even if you tried to buy out with Over 24, it was a still push for the 2nd half; but the more important full game under at 47, 48, 49 are all toasted. My conclusion: Vegas wins big on most of the Over/Under bets.

    (3) I have been watching very closely on the Superbowl lines for the last 2 weeks (i.e. Pinnacle). I can tell (I may be wrong, but I think this is true, and Vegas will release their numbers and profits soon) that even though most of the bets (not $$ amounts) are on NE (as also suggested by Covers Consensus 60% NE, 40% Seattle), but the big money was coming in heavily on Seattle Seahawks (including mine), especially in the last couple of days, which is why you see the line went from pk to -1, and juice went from -102 for Seattle to -110 for Seattle on pinnacle in the last 1-2 days, until 1-2 hour before gametime (when most of the wagers have probably been placed already). So, if Seattle wins, I think Vegas stands to lose some big money (again, we will be able to know the actul profit/loss figures when Vegas released it). My conclusion: Vegas wont want Seattle win.

    (4) With 40 some seconds left, when Seattle made it 2nd and goal at the 1-yard line, if they score a TD, NE would just need a Field Goal to tie. Normally, any coach on the opposing team should call a time out there (because the odds are Seattle is going to score a TD with the amount of time left and 2 timeouts remaining, plus how well Lynch has been running). Why didn't NE call a timeout?? Unless they knew they are gonna get an interception or win the game somehow, someway.... My conclusion: Seattle probably got the call from Vegas to dump the game.

    (5) With 2 Time outs left (Seahawks also wasted a timeout the down before (1st down), as the play clock went to zero, dont get that part either; I guess Vegas wants to make full sure that Seattle wont get the ball back after the interception) and ball at the 1-yard line at 2nd down (3 tries to the end zone), any coach with any sense would run there (at least on the 2nd down), and give Lynch a shot (especially he had already run 4 yards from the 5-yard line to 1-yard line on the previous down). Even if they want to throw, why not throw at the corners where its less covered or less chance for interception? Why throw at the middle where there are tons of NE defenders? Or why even bother throwing at 2nd down? I can see they try throwing on 3rd down or 4th down... but never on 2nd down with Wilson throwing... My conclusion: only way it will make sure NE wins, cuz if they hand the ball to Lynch, he will score maybe 70% of the times, if not more. Vegas or Seattle can't risk that if NE needs to win.

    (6) So, why fix this game? who gains?

    (a) Vegas wins (because most of the bigger bets, heavy money were probably on Seattle and Under; guess what? both lost). Vegas probably took some hit in NBA this season, as many average joes made money thru betting those streaky teams, including Atlanta and Golden State; look at this, even someone has broken the Streak21 record this season, and reached 24; I am sure many average bettors win in the NBA when Atlanta and GS were playing like ATS covering machines until last week, after Brackson's streak is broken (with GS playing against the Bulls).

    (b) The NFL probably also wants Tom Brady to win this Superbowl too, so that he will not go down as a choker (by losing 3 straight superbowls). They need Tom Brady as icon (like Michael Jordan or Lebron James). It's good for the game and promotion, and for the NFL brand too. SeaHawks are a young team with lots of talent, and NFL knows they will still have plenty of chances. So, next time, if Seattle ever goes to Superbowl again, mark my words, Vegas probably needs to return them a big favor... haha... We shall see.

    I am not an expert and I am from Taiwan and dont follow the games that closely as some of the posters here. But, I am just bringing this up, based on my own observation and perspective. Hope this makes sense, and that my conspiracy theory is not too far out of line. What are your thoughts? Any feedback or corrections are welcomed. Thanks.   

     


    So  that catch to set up first and goal was scripted too ? Wake up mate they are here to take you back to the asylum
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 3:20 AM ET #55

    The biggest fixes aren't on the big games. They are on the little games. Less chances of problems and discovery. 

    If caught, the big money guys would be sacrificing 20-30 million a year. And a chance to be sued and thrown in jail. And in football, you would need 3-5 starter guys minimum to ensure an outcome.
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    The biggest fixes aren't on the big games. They are on the little games. Less chances of problems and discovery. 

    If caught, the big money guys would be sacrificing 20-30 million a year. And a chance to be sued and thrown in jail. And in football, you would need 3-5 starter guys minimum to ensure an outcome.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 3:23 AM ET #56

    Quote Originally Posted by Portris:

    wow... did you guys watch the game? or know who fixes games.. not coaches and players but the refs... if n e thing the refs were sudihg with seattle with the non call on roughing the kicker and the non holding calls in the secindary....wilson threw that ball thinking it wasmoney and BUTLER came up huge.. take it like a man you lost .. you made the wrong call

    Okay, fair enough... I know I am on the wrong side today. Just a theory in my wildest imagination, like the movie Pelican's Brief that Julia Roberts wrote in her paper... haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portris:

    wow... did you guys watch the game? or know who fixes games.. not coaches and players but the refs... if n e thing the refs were sudihg with seattle with the non call on roughing the kicker and the non holding calls in the secindary....wilson threw that ball thinking it wasmoney and BUTLER came up huge.. take it like a man you lost .. you made the wrong call

    Okay, fair enough... I know I am on the wrong side today. Just a theory in my wildest imagination, like the movie Pelican's Brief that Julia Roberts wrote in her paper... haha

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 3:27 AM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenMachine121:


    So  that catch to set up first and goal was scripted too ? Wake up mate they are here to take you back to the asylum

    Okay, gotcha... my conspiracy theory was that whether the catch was made at the 5-yard line didnt matter, as long as its not in the end zone. My point was SEA will not score at the end zone, given the amount of time left (for NE to comeback again). So, an interception was the only way out... haha... I know, I know, this might be far-fetched... Just ignore what I wrote if you find it totally laughable... just my own little theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenMachine121:


    So  that catch to set up first and goal was scripted too ? Wake up mate they are here to take you back to the asylum

    Okay, gotcha... my conspiracy theory was that whether the catch was made at the 5-yard line didnt matter, as long as its not in the end zone. My point was SEA will not score at the end zone, given the amount of time left (for NE to comeback again). So, an interception was the only way out... haha... I know, I know, this might be far-fetched... Just ignore what I wrote if you find it totally laughable... just my own little theory.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbo:

    The biggest fixes aren't on the big games. They are on the little games. Less chances of problems and discovery. 

    If caught, the big money guys would be sacrificing 20-30 million a year. And a chance to be sued and thrown in jail. And in football, you would need 3-5 starter guys minimum to ensure an outcome.

    Yeah, I agree with you... that's why I wagered so much (about 10k USD) in this game, thinking that there is no way anyone can fix a Superbowl where millions of viewers worldwide are watching. I used to think like that, but after today, I am not so sure anymore; which is exactly why I started this thread and looked for constructive feedback and criticisms. I hope I am wrong, but irregardless, I know I am on the wrong side of today's game.

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    The biggest fixes aren't on the big games. They are on the little games. Less chances of problems and discovery. 

    If caught, the big money guys would be sacrificing 20-30 million a year. And a chance to be sued and thrown in jail. And in football, you would need 3-5 starter guys minimum to ensure an outcome.

    Yeah, I agree with you... that's why I wagered so much (about 10k USD) in this game, thinking that there is no way anyone can fix a Superbowl where millions of viewers worldwide are watching. I used to think like that, but after today, I am not so sure anymore; which is exactly why I started this thread and looked for constructive feedback and criticisms. I hope I am wrong, but irregardless, I know I am on the wrong side of today's game.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by guyhopestowin:

    seattle opend with -1 on 2h, and it reduced to 1.83 from 1.91 in bookmaker, same thing happened last year with broncos, most money was on broncos, vegas did a favor to hawks, and hawks returned the favor to them, and i lost in both superbowl, damn i hate superbowl, i really hate them, i promised myself i wont bet, but well you know the story, if seattle won, would be the biggest gain in my gambling experience, but took a hit similar to which i took before, hope i can recover soon

    I hear you mate...  Hope we all learn something from this... I know I haved...

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    seattle opend with -1 on 2h, and it reduced to 1.83 from 1.91 in bookmaker, same thing happened last year with broncos, most money was on broncos, vegas did a favor to hawks, and hawks returned the favor to them, and i lost in both superbowl, damn i hate superbowl, i really hate them, i promised myself i wont bet, but well you know the story, if seattle won, would be the biggest gain in my gambling experience, but took a hit similar to which i took before, hope i can recover soon

    I hear you mate...  Hope we all learn something from this... I know I haved...

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 3:33 AM ET #60

    That would be the other thing. This was one of the worst outcomes for Vegas. If they wanted it fixed, this would not have been the outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefty1981:

    How do you figure big money was on SEA? Public pounded NE since the line was released at NE -3. With all the talk about how the SEA dbacks were injured, Sherman possibly missing the game with his birth of his child, Kam and his knee, the line never moved and stayed at PK. If anything, they were just begging people to take NE.

    If anything, the game was fixed for SEA to win. Obviously, everyone pounded the under and the game goes over. Duh. But SEA had the game and he got picked. You can fix a game all you want, but you cant account for something like that happening at the end of the game. The refs can only do so much with all the instant replays and ref scrutiny going on now.

    Agree with your last statement in the 2nd paragragh... but I still believe the big money was on Seattle (as some of other posters have replied on here). But I think we will know whether that is the case once Vegas releases their figures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefty1981:

    How do you figure big money was on SEA? Public pounded NE since the line was released at NE -3. With all the talk about how the SEA dbacks were injured, Sherman possibly missing the game with his birth of his child, Kam and his knee, the line never moved and stayed at PK. If anything, they were just begging people to take NE.

    If anything, the game was fixed for SEA to win. Obviously, everyone pounded the under and the game goes over. Duh. But SEA had the game and he got picked. You can fix a game all you want, but you cant account for something like that happening at the end of the game. The refs can only do so much with all the instant replays and ref scrutiny going on now.

    Agree with your last statement in the 2nd paragragh... but I still believe the big money was on Seattle (as some of other posters have replied on here). But I think we will know whether that is the case once Vegas releases their figures.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbo:

    That would be the other thing. This was one of the worst outcomes for Vegas. If they wanted it fixed, this would not have been the outcome.

    I agree if the numbers released by Vegas in later weeks indicated that they lost money in "side wagers", then my conspiracy theory will definitely be invalidated (off). But until then, I stand by my theory. I am almost certain Vegas raked in big profits in the Over/Under bets and Proposition bets for this Superbowl. Just curious how the side wagers go... And we shall see.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbo:

    That would be the other thing. This was one of the worst outcomes for Vegas. If they wanted it fixed, this would not have been the outcome.

    I agree if the numbers released by Vegas in later weeks indicated that they lost money in "side wagers", then my conspiracy theory will definitely be invalidated (off). But until then, I stand by my theory. I am almost certain Vegas raked in big profits in the Over/Under bets and Proposition bets for this Superbowl. Just curious how the side wagers go... And we shall see.  

     
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    miumiu, what is the website for the gambling site in Taiwan? I can't find anything for worldwide. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by MclatchyHostage:

    miumiu, what is the website for the gambling site in Taiwan? I can't find anything for worldwide. Thanks

    Here is the URL: https://ts9988.net/member/Page/Index/Index.aspx

    But its all in Chinese and you need to have a User ID and Password to get in, unlike Pinnacle where they allow any users view their wagering menu to see the latest lines/odds. So, I dont think I am in a position to help you view this site... Sorry.

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    miumiu, what is the website for the gambling site in Taiwan? I can't find anything for worldwide. Thanks

    Here is the URL: https://ts9988.net/member/Page/Index/Index.aspx

    But its all in Chinese and you need to have a User ID and Password to get in, unlike Pinnacle where they allow any users view their wagering menu to see the latest lines/odds. So, I dont think I am in a position to help you view this site... Sorry.

     
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    LOL

    wouldn't they want to lose 54-14 ?

    No No No

    Leave it to a circus catch from Kearse (best catch in nfl playoff history) and a RB that was bolting to the end zone on 1 st and goal lol

    U ever ask yourself what would of happened if Lynch would of made it to the endzone?!?

    Does the mafia snippers located in the cheap seats strike him and coach carol with a bullet each

    He had no clue exactly were he was, he was just bolting like a bull for the goal!

    It was a bunch of  random events with many many scenarios just like every close NFL game 

     

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    LOL

    wouldn't they want to lose 54-14 ?

    No No No

    Leave it to a circus catch from Kearse (best catch in nfl playoff history) and a RB that was bolting to the end zone on 1 st and goal lol

    U ever ask yourself what would of happened if Lynch would of made it to the endzone?!?

    Does the mafia snippers located in the cheap seats strike him and coach carol with a bullet each

    He had no clue exactly were he was, he was just bolting like a bull for the goal!

    It was a bunch of  random events with many many scenarios just like every close NFL game 

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by miumiu921:

    (4) With 40 some seconds left, when Seattle made it 2nd and goal at the 1-yard line, if they score a TD, NE would just need a Field Goal to tie. Normally, any coach on the opposing team should call a time out there (because the odds are Seattle is going to score a TD with the amount of time left and 2 timeouts remaining, plus how well Lynch has been running). Why didn't NE call a timeout?? Unless they knew they are gonna get an interception or win the game somehow, someway.... My conclusion: Seattle probably got the call from Vegas to dump the game. 


    I didn't even think of this but you are absolutely right....this is the most telling to me....BB isn't a dumb coach either.  ML just rumbled for 4-5 yards to make it 2nd and goal at the 1 you aren't thinking of stopping seattle, you are already thinking of give Brady as much time as you can.  No timeout?  Yeah, absolutely doesn't seem right....that's almost as bad as the pass call itself....

    interesting....
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    (4) With 40 some seconds left, when Seattle made it 2nd and goal at the 1-yard line, if they score a TD, NE would just need a Field Goal to tie. Normally, any coach on the opposing team should call a time out there (because the odds are Seattle is going to score a TD with the amount of time left and 2 timeouts remaining, plus how well Lynch has been running). Why didn't NE call a timeout?? Unless they knew they are gonna get an interception or win the game somehow, someway.... My conclusion: Seattle probably got the call from Vegas to dump the game. 


    I didn't even think of this but you are absolutely right....this is the most telling to me....BB isn't a dumb coach either.  ML just rumbled for 4-5 yards to make it 2nd and goal at the 1 you aren't thinking of stopping seattle, you are already thinking of give Brady as much time as you can.  No timeout?  Yeah, absolutely doesn't seem right....that's almost as bad as the pass call itself....

    interesting....
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 4:40 AM ET #67

    Here you go, apparently most of the Vegas and Euro shops are claiming losses or very small victories:

    https://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/talking-points/2015/feb/01/baffling-finish-super-bowl-49-las-vegas-sports-boo/
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    Here you go, apparently most of the Vegas and Euro shops are claiming losses or very small victories:

    https://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/talking-points/2015/feb/01/baffling-finish-super-bowl-49-las-vegas-sports-boo/
     
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    I read every word of your essay. The only part that stood out was "Seattle got the call from Vegas to dump the game". I still have tears in my eyes. The Man behind the curtains controls it all. NFL/NBA/MLB, you name it.
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    I read every word of your essay. The only part that stood out was "Seattle got the call from Vegas to dump the game". I still have tears in my eyes. The Man behind the curtains controls it all. NFL/NBA/MLB, you name it.
     
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    Wow!
    Seahwaks Fans do have sh1t for brains.
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    Seahwaks Fans do have sh1t for brains.
     
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    They must have some good crack in Taiwan
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    They must have some good crack in Taiwan
     
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    This is difficult for my brain to comprehend: we witness one of the greatest defensive plays in the history of football and people are talking about conspiracy's? Why can't they just appreciate the beauty of the complex machine that is the NFL? It boggles my mind. All of the information for you to realize how fantastic this was is readily available in post game interviews...Butler was burned on this exact play in practice vs. the scout team and when he saw the Hawks lineup he instinctively knew that play was coming and he reacted and made a great catch. The catch itself ruins the whole crap theory, he still has to catch the ball while colliding with the intended receiver! If he doesn't it become 3rd down. If they wanted to throw the game why make it such a difficult and unlikely scenario, why not fumble the snap, or get stripped while diving for the end zone, or, or, or...? Ridiculous, people that talk about the NFL like that likely have predisposed positions on this topic and desperately wait for a moment where they can play connect the dots to confirm their bias. So annoying to real fans that can appreciate a competition for what it is.
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    This is difficult for my brain to comprehend: we witness one of the greatest defensive plays in the history of football and people are talking about conspiracy's? Why can't they just appreciate the beauty of the complex machine that is the NFL? It boggles my mind. All of the information for you to realize how fantastic this was is readily available in post game interviews...Butler was burned on this exact play in practice vs. the scout team and when he saw the Hawks lineup he instinctively knew that play was coming and he reacted and made a great catch. The catch itself ruins the whole crap theory, he still has to catch the ball while colliding with the intended receiver! If he doesn't it become 3rd down. If they wanted to throw the game why make it such a difficult and unlikely scenario, why not fumble the snap, or get stripped while diving for the end zone, or, or, or...? Ridiculous, people that talk about the NFL like that likely have predisposed positions on this topic and desperately wait for a moment where they can play connect the dots to confirm their bias. So annoying to real fans that can appreciate a competition for what it is.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 6:15 AM ET #72

    Quote Originally Posted by examine:

    LOL

    wouldn't they want to lose 54-14 ?

    No No No

    Leave it to a circus catch from Kearse (best catch in nfl playoff history) and a RB that was bolting to the end zone on 1 st and goal lol

    U ever ask yourself what would of happened if Lynch would of made it to the endzone?!?

    Does the mafia snippers located in the cheap seats strike him and coach carol with a bullet each

    He had no clue exactly were he was, he was just bolting like a bull for the goal!

    It was a bunch of  random events with many many scenarios just like every close NFL game 

     

    Yeah, I dont have any legitimate ground or counterpoint against your argument... I guess they could make it 54-14, but I guess the only logical explanation was for TV rating and trying to appeal to the audience for an exciting close game (unlike last year's blowout). But again, I have no proof of that, and just total speculation. And perhaps you are right, it could just be a bunch of random events with many different scenarios just like every close NFL game.

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    LOL

    wouldn't they want to lose 54-14 ?

    No No No

    Leave it to a circus catch from Kearse (best catch in nfl playoff history) and a RB that was bolting to the end zone on 1 st and goal lol

    U ever ask yourself what would of happened if Lynch would of made it to the endzone?!?

    Does the mafia snippers located in the cheap seats strike him and coach carol with a bullet each

    He had no clue exactly were he was, he was just bolting like a bull for the goal!

    It was a bunch of  random events with many many scenarios just like every close NFL game 

     

    Yeah, I dont have any legitimate ground or counterpoint against your argument... I guess they could make it 54-14, but I guess the only logical explanation was for TV rating and trying to appeal to the audience for an exciting close game (unlike last year's blowout). But again, I have no proof of that, and just total speculation. And perhaps you are right, it could just be a bunch of random events with many different scenarios just like every close NFL game.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by naesiy:


    I didn't even think of this but you are absolutely right....this is the most telling to me....BB isn't a dumb coach either.  ML just rumbled for 4-5 yards to make it 2nd and goal at the 1 you aren't thinking of stopping seattle, you are already thinking of give Brady as much time as you can.  No timeout?  Yeah, absolutely doesn't seem right....that's almost as bad as the pass call itself....

    interesting....

     

    Glad someone shares the same view/doubt as me.

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    I didn't even think of this but you are absolutely right....this is the most telling to me....BB isn't a dumb coach either.  ML just rumbled for 4-5 yards to make it 2nd and goal at the 1 you aren't thinking of stopping seattle, you are already thinking of give Brady as much time as you can.  No timeout?  Yeah, absolutely doesn't seem right....that's almost as bad as the pass call itself....

    interesting....

     

    Glad someone shares the same view/doubt as me.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbo:

    Here you go, apparently most of the Vegas and Euro shops are claiming losses or very small victories:

    https://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/talking-points/2015/feb/01/baffling-finish-super-bowl-49-las-vegas-sports-boo/

     

    Wow, this is great information!! Thanks for the article... and I guess this really negates my theory and doubts of a fixed game... Perhaps I have over-reacted... but definitely great information for refute any conspiracy theorists, including me... haha  I stand to be corrected.

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    Here you go, apparently most of the Vegas and Euro shops are claiming losses or very small victories:

    https://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/talking-points/2015/feb/01/baffling-finish-super-bowl-49-las-vegas-sports-boo/

     

    Wow, this is great information!! Thanks for the article... and I guess this really negates my theory and doubts of a fixed game... Perhaps I have over-reacted... but definitely great information for refute any conspiracy theorists, including me... haha  I stand to be corrected.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fadeORdie:

    I read every word of your essay. The only part that stood out was "Seattle got the call from Vegas to dump the game". I still have tears in my eyes. The Man behind the curtains controls it all. NFL/NBA/MLB, you name it.

    I guess I stand to be corrected now, after reading the article above, provided by Gabbo as most Vegas books posted very minor profits, and mostly coming from prop wagers. That means Vegas did not benefit from a NE win and Over... Guess I was totally wrong on that... hmm.

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    I read every word of your essay. The only part that stood out was "Seattle got the call from Vegas to dump the game". I still have tears in my eyes. The Man behind the curtains controls it all. NFL/NBA/MLB, you name it.

    I guess I stand to be corrected now, after reading the article above, provided by Gabbo as most Vegas books posted very minor profits, and mostly coming from prop wagers. That means Vegas did not benefit from a NE win and Over... Guess I was totally wrong on that... hmm.

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