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    Fixed game or not. (My perspective from Taiwan)

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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 12:34 AM ET #1

    I have been a long-time member/lurker on Covers, rarely post but have been reading most of the posts in the forum.

    Whether this Superbowl game was truly fixed or not, here are my perspective and reasons:

    (1) The biggest sports-wagering site in Taiwan (called Worldwide) had this game up last night (they only have the game/lines 1 day before the actual game, unlike most other sites in the US). At first, Seattle Seahawks line was -0.5 but poor juice (went from 94% to 90% in the first hour, and from 90% to 86% within the first 3 hours; and never recovered from the low juice until 1 hour before gametime). This rarely happens (staying at such a low juice on one side, Seattle, for almost the entire betting action time) for such a big game like this. Even though Superbowl is not as popular in Taiwan, but it is still a widely wagered game. However, one hour before game time, the line for Seattle went from -1 to pk, with normal juice or high juice again at 96%. My conclusion: something is up, even books in Taiwan somehow knew... 

    (2) Almost every thread I opened was talking about "Under", and you can see it for yourselves too on Covers. Based on the threads that I have opened, it seemed 80% or more of the threads had "Under". But guess what? At that time, I knew the Under wouldnt cash in for such a big game like this... And guess what? Even after no-scoring in the 1st quarter, they produced 28 points in the 2nd quarter alone, making sure any 1st half Unders are toast, and you cannot even buy out your original full game Unders because the 2nd half O/U line was 24. Even if you tried to buy out with Over 24, it was a still push for the 2nd half; but the more important full game under at 47, 48, 49 are all toasted. My conclusion: Vegas wins big on most of the Over/Under bets.

    (3) I have been watching very closely on the Superbowl lines for the last 2 weeks (i.e. Pinnacle). I can tell (I may be wrong, but I think this is true, and Vegas will release their numbers and profits soon) that even though most of the bets (not $$ amounts) are on NE (as also suggested by Covers Consensus 60% NE, 40% Seattle), but the big money was coming in heavily on Seattle Seahawks (including mine), especially in the last couple of days, which is why you see the line went from pk to -1, and juice went from -102 for Seattle to -110 for Seattle on pinnacle in the last 1-2 days, until 1-2 hour before gametime (when most of the wagers have probably been placed already). So, if Seattle wins, I think Vegas stands to lose some big money (again, we will be able to know the actul profit/loss figures when Vegas released it). My conclusion: Vegas wont want Seattle win.

    (4) With 40 some seconds left, when Seattle made it 2nd and goal at the 1-yard line, if they score a TD, NE would just need a Field Goal to tie. Normally, any coach on the opposing team should call a time out there (because the odds are Seattle is going to score a TD with the amount of time left and 2 timeouts remaining, plus how well Lynch has been running). Why didn't NE call a timeout?? Unless they knew they are gonna get an interception or win the game somehow, someway.... My conclusion: Seattle probably got the call from Vegas to dump the game.

    (5) With 2 Time outs left (Seahawks also wasted a timeout the down before (1st down), as the play clock went to zero, dont get that part either; I guess Vegas wants to make full sure that Seattle wont get the ball back after the interception) and ball at the 1-yard line at 2nd down (3 tries to the end zone), any coach with any sense would run there (at least on the 2nd down), and give Lynch a shot (especially he had already run 4 yards from the 5-yard line to 1-yard line on the previous down). Even if they want to throw, why not throw at the corners where its less covered or less chance for interception? Why throw at the middle where there are tons of NE defenders? Or why even bother throwing at 2nd down? I can see they try throwing on 3rd down or 4th down... but never on 2nd down with Wilson throwing... My conclusion: only way it will make sure NE wins, cuz if they hand the ball to Lynch, he will score maybe 70% of the times, if not more. Vegas or Seattle can't risk that if NE needs to win.

    (6) So, why fix this game? who gains?

    (a) Vegas wins (because most of the bigger bets, heavy money were probably on Seattle and Under; guess what? both lost). Vegas probably took some hit in NBA this season, as many average joes made money thru betting those streaky teams, including Atlanta and Golden State; look at this, even someone has broken the Streak21 record this season, and reached 24; I am sure many average bettors win in the NBA when Atlanta and GS were playing like ATS covering machines until last week, after Brackson's streak is broken (with GS playing against the Bulls).

    (b) The NFL probably also wants Tom Brady to win this Superbowl too, so that he will not go down as a choker (by losing 3 straight superbowls). They need Tom Brady as icon (like Michael Jordan or Lebron James). It's good for the game and promotion, and for the NFL brand too. SeaHawks are a young team with lots of talent, and NFL knows they will still have plenty of chances. So, next time, if Seattle ever goes to Superbowl again, mark my words, Vegas probably needs to return them a big favor... haha... We shall see.

    I am not an expert and I am from Taiwan and dont follow the games that closely as some of the posters here. But, I am just bringing this up, based on my own observation and perspective. Hope this makes sense, and that my conspiracy theory is not too far out of line. What are your thoughts? Any feedback or corrections are welcomed. Thanks.   

     

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    I have been a long-time member/lurker on Covers, rarely post but have been reading most of the posts in the forum.

    Whether this Superbowl game was truly fixed or not, here are my perspective and reasons:

    (1) The biggest sports-wagering site in Taiwan (called Worldwide) had this game up last night (they only have the game/lines 1 day before the actual game, unlike most other sites in the US). At first, Seattle Seahawks line was -0.5 but poor juice (went from 94% to 90% in the first hour, and from 90% to 86% within the first 3 hours; and never recovered from the low juice until 1 hour before gametime). This rarely happens (staying at such a low juice on one side, Seattle, for almost the entire betting action time) for such a big game like this. Even though Superbowl is not as popular in Taiwan, but it is still a widely wagered game. However, one hour before game time, the line for Seattle went from -1 to pk, with normal juice or high juice again at 96%. My conclusion: something is up, even books in Taiwan somehow knew... 

    (2) Almost every thread I opened was talking about "Under", and you can see it for yourselves too on Covers. Based on the threads that I have opened, it seemed 80% or more of the threads had "Under". But guess what? At that time, I knew the Under wouldnt cash in for such a big game like this... And guess what? Even after no-scoring in the 1st quarter, they produced 28 points in the 2nd quarter alone, making sure any 1st half Unders are toast, and you cannot even buy out your original full game Unders because the 2nd half O/U line was 24. Even if you tried to buy out with Over 24, it was a still push for the 2nd half; but the more important full game under at 47, 48, 49 are all toasted. My conclusion: Vegas wins big on most of the Over/Under bets.

    (3) I have been watching very closely on the Superbowl lines for the last 2 weeks (i.e. Pinnacle). I can tell (I may be wrong, but I think this is true, and Vegas will release their numbers and profits soon) that even though most of the bets (not $$ amounts) are on NE (as also suggested by Covers Consensus 60% NE, 40% Seattle), but the big money was coming in heavily on Seattle Seahawks (including mine), especially in the last couple of days, which is why you see the line went from pk to -1, and juice went from -102 for Seattle to -110 for Seattle on pinnacle in the last 1-2 days, until 1-2 hour before gametime (when most of the wagers have probably been placed already). So, if Seattle wins, I think Vegas stands to lose some big money (again, we will be able to know the actul profit/loss figures when Vegas released it). My conclusion: Vegas wont want Seattle win.

    (4) With 40 some seconds left, when Seattle made it 2nd and goal at the 1-yard line, if they score a TD, NE would just need a Field Goal to tie. Normally, any coach on the opposing team should call a time out there (because the odds are Seattle is going to score a TD with the amount of time left and 2 timeouts remaining, plus how well Lynch has been running). Why didn't NE call a timeout?? Unless they knew they are gonna get an interception or win the game somehow, someway.... My conclusion: Seattle probably got the call from Vegas to dump the game.

    (5) With 2 Time outs left (Seahawks also wasted a timeout the down before (1st down), as the play clock went to zero, dont get that part either; I guess Vegas wants to make full sure that Seattle wont get the ball back after the interception) and ball at the 1-yard line at 2nd down (3 tries to the end zone), any coach with any sense would run there (at least on the 2nd down), and give Lynch a shot (especially he had already run 4 yards from the 5-yard line to 1-yard line on the previous down). Even if they want to throw, why not throw at the corners where its less covered or less chance for interception? Why throw at the middle where there are tons of NE defenders? Or why even bother throwing at 2nd down? I can see they try throwing on 3rd down or 4th down... but never on 2nd down with Wilson throwing... My conclusion: only way it will make sure NE wins, cuz if they hand the ball to Lynch, he will score maybe 70% of the times, if not more. Vegas or Seattle can't risk that if NE needs to win.

    (6) So, why fix this game? who gains?

    (a) Vegas wins (because most of the bigger bets, heavy money were probably on Seattle and Under; guess what? both lost). Vegas probably took some hit in NBA this season, as many average joes made money thru betting those streaky teams, including Atlanta and Golden State; look at this, even someone has broken the Streak21 record this season, and reached 24; I am sure many average bettors win in the NBA when Atlanta and GS were playing like ATS covering machines until last week, after Brackson's streak is broken (with GS playing against the Bulls).

    (b) The NFL probably also wants Tom Brady to win this Superbowl too, so that he will not go down as a choker (by losing 3 straight superbowls). They need Tom Brady as icon (like Michael Jordan or Lebron James). It's good for the game and promotion, and for the NFL brand too. SeaHawks are a young team with lots of talent, and NFL knows they will still have plenty of chances. So, next time, if Seattle ever goes to Superbowl again, mark my words, Vegas probably needs to return them a big favor... haha... We shall see.

    I am not an expert and I am from Taiwan and dont follow the games that closely as some of the posters here. But, I am just bringing this up, based on my own observation and perspective. Hope this makes sense, and that my conspiracy theory is not too far out of line. What are your thoughts? Any feedback or corrections are welcomed. Thanks.   

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 12:45 AM ET #2

    great coaches like pete carroll don't make those stupid calls and russell wilson's non reaction to the int....is as if he knew it all along....he went to the sideline and like he said oh well...there it goes.....no emotion at all....you just lost the super bowl...i dont know....its wrestling i swear; people say well if it was fixed how did he make that great catch etc....on and on the bottom line is the team that vegas wanted to win won the game period...the more crushing the blow to gamblers the better for the books...bc now with all those that lost the super bowl ...you have a generation of bettors on tilt and many of those will convert to addicts....congrats to vegas
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    great coaches like pete carroll don't make those stupid calls and russell wilson's non reaction to the int....is as if he knew it all along....he went to the sideline and like he said oh well...there it goes.....no emotion at all....you just lost the super bowl...i dont know....its wrestling i swear; people say well if it was fixed how did he make that great catch etc....on and on the bottom line is the team that vegas wanted to win won the game period...the more crushing the blow to gamblers the better for the books...bc now with all those that lost the super bowl ...you have a generation of bettors on tilt and many of those will convert to addicts....congrats to vegas
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 12:56 AM ET #3

    Great post glad I'm not crazy for sharing the same thoughts
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    Great post glad I'm not crazy for sharing the same thoughts
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnemeh:

    great coaches like pete carroll don't make those stupid calls and russell wilson's non reaction to the int....is as if he knew it all along....he went to the sideline and like he said oh well...there it goes.....no emotion at all....you just lost the super bowl...i dont know....its wrestling i swear; people say well if it was fixed how did he make that great catch etc....on and on the bottom line is the team that vegas wanted to win won the game period...the more crushing the blow to gamblers the better for the books...bc now with all those that lost the super bowl ...you have a generation of bettors on tilt and many of those will convert to addicts....congrats to vegas


    I found this very strange too, for a guy who wears his heart on his sleeve especially...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnemeh:

    great coaches like pete carroll don't make those stupid calls and russell wilson's non reaction to the int....is as if he knew it all along....he went to the sideline and like he said oh well...there it goes.....no emotion at all....you just lost the super bowl...i dont know....its wrestling i swear; people say well if it was fixed how did he make that great catch etc....on and on the bottom line is the team that vegas wanted to win won the game period...the more crushing the blow to gamblers the better for the books...bc now with all those that lost the super bowl ...you have a generation of bettors on tilt and many of those will convert to addicts....congrats to vegas


    I found this very strange too, for a guy who wears his heart on his sleeve especially...
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 1:01 AM ET #5

    Great post and insight miumiu. I know for a fact seriously heavy money came in late on Seattle. I wager at one of the biggest books and it takes a lot of money for them to move a superbowl line a full point at the very last minute. 
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    Great post and insight miumiu. I know for a fact seriously heavy money came in late on Seattle. I wager at one of the biggest books and it takes a lot of money for them to move a superbowl line a full point at the very last minute. 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 1:01 AM ET #6

    Bs of centry!!! Mf lych and seattle
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    Bs of centry!!! Mf lych and seattle
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnemeh:

    great coaches like pete carroll don't make those stupid calls and russell wilson's non reaction to the int....is as if he knew it all along....he went to the sideline and like he said oh well...there it goes.....no emotion at all....you just lost the super bowl...i dont know....its wrestling i swear; people say well if it was fixed how did he make that great catch etc....on and on the bottom line is the team that vegas wanted to win won the game period...the more crushing the blow to gamblers the better for the books...bc now with all those that lost the super bowl ...you have a generation of bettors on tilt and many of those will convert to addicts....congrats to vegas

    Yeah, that too and thanks for bringing that up (Wilson's lack of emotion after the INT, like it was totally expected; he just quickly came back down as if "oops, my bad".) Remember how Wilson was in tears after that biggest and improbably comeback the previous game against Greenbay?? I would imagine he would have the same emotions, if not worse, with this INT and Superbowl on the line... He should be in bigger tears... It seemed not only Wilson was emotionless, and the coach Pete Carrol too... I really dont know what the make of it, other than this conspiracy theory... haha... But you have brought out another very good point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnemeh:

    great coaches like pete carroll don't make those stupid calls and russell wilson's non reaction to the int....is as if he knew it all along....he went to the sideline and like he said oh well...there it goes.....no emotion at all....you just lost the super bowl...i dont know....its wrestling i swear; people say well if it was fixed how did he make that great catch etc....on and on the bottom line is the team that vegas wanted to win won the game period...the more crushing the blow to gamblers the better for the books...bc now with all those that lost the super bowl ...you have a generation of bettors on tilt and many of those will convert to addicts....congrats to vegas

    Yeah, that too and thanks for bringing that up (Wilson's lack of emotion after the INT, like it was totally expected; he just quickly came back down as if "oops, my bad".) Remember how Wilson was in tears after that biggest and improbably comeback the previous game against Greenbay?? I would imagine he would have the same emotions, if not worse, with this INT and Superbowl on the line... He should be in bigger tears... It seemed not only Wilson was emotionless, and the coach Pete Carrol too... I really dont know what the make of it, other than this conspiracy theory... haha... But you have brought out another very good point.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnemeh:

    great coaches like pete carroll don't make those stupid calls and russell wilson's non reaction to the int....is as if he knew it all along....he went to the sideline and like he said oh well...there it goes.....no emotion at all....you just lost the super bowl...i dont know....its wrestling i swear; people say well if it was fixed how did he make that great catch etc....on and on the bottom line is the team that vegas wanted to win won the game period...the more crushing the blow to gamblers the better for the books...bc now with all those that lost the super bowl ...you have a generation of bettors on tilt and many of those will convert to addicts....congrats to vegas


    I'm glad i wasnt the only one who saw this. I had Pats all the way and couldnt believe that non reaction to the INT he threw, exactly what you said, it was like an "Oh well, no biggie" reaction. 
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    great coaches like pete carroll don't make those stupid calls and russell wilson's non reaction to the int....is as if he knew it all along....he went to the sideline and like he said oh well...there it goes.....no emotion at all....you just lost the super bowl...i dont know....its wrestling i swear; people say well if it was fixed how did he make that great catch etc....on and on the bottom line is the team that vegas wanted to win won the game period...the more crushing the blow to gamblers the better for the books...bc now with all those that lost the super bowl ...you have a generation of bettors on tilt and many of those will convert to addicts....congrats to vegas


    I'm glad i wasnt the only one who saw this. I had Pats all the way and couldnt believe that non reaction to the INT he threw, exactly what you said, it was like an "Oh well, no biggie" reaction. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountCrisco:

    Great post and insight miumiu. I know for a fact seriously heavy money came in late on Seattle. I wager at one of the biggest books and it takes a lot of money for them to move a superbowl line a full point at the very last minute. 

     

    Thank you for the reaffirmation, buddy!! I cannot be sure cuz I am not in the US and dont wager on any of the overseas books... I am just basing off my years of experience by observing the line movements and juice changes offered by my local books, and I could tell the bigger money were on Seattle, even though the average consensus seemed to be 60-40 in favor of NE. But many thanks for confirming my observation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CountCrisco:

    Great post and insight miumiu. I know for a fact seriously heavy money came in late on Seattle. I wager at one of the biggest books and it takes a lot of money for them to move a superbowl line a full point at the very last minute. 

     

    Thank you for the reaffirmation, buddy!! I cannot be sure cuz I am not in the US and dont wager on any of the overseas books... I am just basing off my years of experience by observing the line movements and juice changes offered by my local books, and I could tell the bigger money were on Seattle, even though the average consensus seemed to be 60-40 in favor of NE. But many thanks for confirming my observation.

     
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    "... My conclusion: Seattle probably got the call from Vegas to dump the game."

    Did you make your wagers in VEGAS ?

    or thru your Taiwanese bookie or Pinacle sports book ( offshore ) ?

    Why should Vegas do your bookie a favor ? 

    LOL...
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    "... My conclusion: Seattle probably got the call from Vegas to dump the game."

    Did you make your wagers in VEGAS ?

    or thru your Taiwanese bookie or Pinacle sports book ( offshore ) ?

    Why should Vegas do your bookie a favor ? 

    LOL...
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 1:10 AM ET #11

    Books somehow knew?  Yup, it was all scripted.
    Pats make a huge comeback and then Hawks make an azz catch to get it close to the possible winner.  And then Russell tosses it away for the loss. 
    Couldn't have set it up better myself...    
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    Books somehow knew?  Yup, it was all scripted.
    Pats make a huge comeback and then Hawks make an azz catch to get it close to the possible winner.  And then Russell tosses it away for the loss. 
    Couldn't have set it up better myself...    
     
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    Unexpected success>>unexpected failure in terms of emotions. Their comeback is something that is going to be in the pantheon of all time comebacks. This will be a tough loss to take, but it's not like they blew completely it. Plus, they had won last year.

    As for the OP point, this is probably one of the worst possible scores for Vegas and sportsbooks. The favorite won, the game went over, all the teasers won, and most of the expected main player props won.

    The only thing that would have been worse is if the Pats took the safety at the end if not for that offsides.
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    Unexpected success>>unexpected failure in terms of emotions. Their comeback is something that is going to be in the pantheon of all time comebacks. This will be a tough loss to take, but it's not like they blew completely it. Plus, they had won last year.

    As for the OP point, this is probably one of the worst possible scores for Vegas and sportsbooks. The favorite won, the game went over, all the teasers won, and most of the expected main player props won.

    The only thing that would have been worse is if the Pats took the safety at the end if not for that offsides.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Second2-Numbers:

    "... My conclusion: Seattle probably got the call from Vegas to dump the game."

    Did you make your wagers in VEGAS ?

    or thru your Taiwanese bookie or Pinacle sports book ( offshore ) ?

    Why should Vegas do your bookie a favor ? 

    LOL...

    Just because of the last playing call was in doubt...

    a lot of couldda  , wouldda ...bla bla bla ...end up as a FIXED GAME ! 

    How soon ppl forget that: for the whole 4th qtr : Sea can't do Shiiiit til the last... 28 seconds of the game ( end up empty !) and must depend on 1 play ! 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Second2-Numbers:

    "... My conclusion: Seattle probably got the call from Vegas to dump the game."

    Did you make your wagers in VEGAS ?

    or thru your Taiwanese bookie or Pinacle sports book ( offshore ) ?

    Why should Vegas do your bookie a favor ? 

    LOL...

    Just because of the last playing call was in doubt...

    a lot of couldda  , wouldda ...bla bla bla ...end up as a FIXED GAME ! 

    How soon ppl forget that: for the whole 4th qtr : Sea can't do Shiiiit til the last... 28 seconds of the game ( end up empty !) and must depend on 1 play ! 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by miumiu921:

     

    Thank you for the reaffirmation, buddy!! I cannot be sure cuz I am not in the US and dont wager on any of the overseas books... I am just basing off my years of experience by observing the line movements and juice changes offered by my local books, and I could tell the bigger money were on Seattle, even though the average consensus seemed to be 60-40 in favor of NE. But many thanks for confirming my observation.


    Consensus does not paint the full picture on how much money was wagered more on a certain team. All it takes is several big whales that wager millions a game to offset a thousand bettors. I never look at the consensus to gauge how much money is wagered more on a team. The whale money paints the more accurate picture. 
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    Thank you for the reaffirmation, buddy!! I cannot be sure cuz I am not in the US and dont wager on any of the overseas books... I am just basing off my years of experience by observing the line movements and juice changes offered by my local books, and I could tell the bigger money were on Seattle, even though the average consensus seemed to be 60-40 in favor of NE. But many thanks for confirming my observation.


    Consensus does not paint the full picture on how much money was wagered more on a certain team. All it takes is several big whales that wager millions a game to offset a thousand bettors. I never look at the consensus to gauge how much money is wagered more on a team. The whale money paints the more accurate picture. 
     
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    Hmmmmm, I don't know. So Marshawn Lynch knew to only run for 4 yards on the play before instead of 5?
    Lots of people have to be in on fixes and all it takes is one wife or girlfriend squealing to one of the tabloid TV shows or the press. The only way a secret doesn't get out if two people know about it is........ You guys know the rest, somebody's gotta die.

    That was a tough pic that kid made, 9 times out of 10 that is caught for a TD or is incomplete. Tough beat folks, not buying it was fixed. Unless some dead bodies end up to folks related to some team members.
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    Hmmmmm, I don't know. So Marshawn Lynch knew to only run for 4 yards on the play before instead of 5?
    Lots of people have to be in on fixes and all it takes is one wife or girlfriend squealing to one of the tabloid TV shows or the press. The only way a secret doesn't get out if two people know about it is........ You guys know the rest, somebody's gotta die.

    That was a tough pic that kid made, 9 times out of 10 that is caught for a TD or is incomplete. Tough beat folks, not buying it was fixed. Unless some dead bodies end up to folks related to some team members.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Second2-Numbers:

    Quote Originally Posted by Second2-Numbers:

    "... My conclusion: Seattle probably got the call from Vegas to dump the game."Did you make your wagers in VEGAS ?or thru your Taiwanese bookie or Pinacle sports book ( offshore ) ?Why should Vegas do your bookie a favor ? LOL...
    Just because of the last playing call was in doubt...a lot of couldda  , wouldda ...bla bla bla ...end up as a FIXED GAME ! How soon ppl forget that: for the whole 4th qtr : Sea can't do Shiiiit til the last... 28 seconds of the game ( end up empty !) and must depend on 1 play !



    Don't forget the blown pass interference trip that gone ignored. Game changing play
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    Quote Originally Posted by Second2-Numbers:

    "... My conclusion: Seattle probably got the call from Vegas to dump the game."Did you make your wagers in VEGAS ?or thru your Taiwanese bookie or Pinacle sports book ( offshore ) ?Why should Vegas do your bookie a favor ? LOL...
    Just because of the last playing call was in doubt...a lot of couldda  , wouldda ...bla bla bla ...end up as a FIXED GAME ! How soon ppl forget that: for the whole 4th qtr : Sea can't do Shiiiit til the last... 28 seconds of the game ( end up empty !) and must depend on 1 play !



    Don't forget the blown pass interference trip that gone ignored. Game changing play
     
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    Do you believe in my name now, do you know how many haters hate on my name. I need a throwback "HEHATEME" jersey from the xfl  www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTDtVopmHBc.

    Read this book.............https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_nl1TQhDuI
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    Do you believe in my name now, do you know how many haters hate on my name. I need a throwback "HEHATEME" jersey from the xfl  www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTDtVopmHBc.

    Read this book.............https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_nl1TQhDuI
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2015 - 1:20 AM ET #18

    Let seattle score n maybe Brady pulls one out n NE wins anyway.  U do not need to wait till end of game to fix the game imo .
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    Let seattle score n maybe Brady pulls one out n NE wins anyway.  U do not need to wait till end of game to fix the game imo .
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by IfYaSmellLALALA:

    Great post glad I'm not crazy for sharing the same thoughts

    Only my thought and observation... very suspicious and cannot be explained with a logical mind... So, I decide to share it here and hope to hear more feedbacks, whether in support of it or against it... It will be a good learning experience for me, and small price to pay for the longer-term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IfYaSmellLALALA:

    Great post glad I'm not crazy for sharing the same thoughts

    Only my thought and observation... very suspicious and cannot be explained with a logical mind... So, I decide to share it here and hope to hear more feedbacks, whether in support of it or against it... It will be a good learning experience for me, and small price to pay for the longer-term.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by topjon:

    Bs of centry!!! Mf lych and seattle

    Couldnt believe in my  eyes when Wilson even "threw" the ball on 2nd down, as opposed to handing it to a more reliable Lynch. If that failed, then you still have two more downs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topjon:

    Bs of centry!!! Mf lych and seattle

    Couldnt believe in my  eyes when Wilson even "threw" the ball on 2nd down, as opposed to handing it to a more reliable Lynch. If that failed, then you still have two more downs.

     
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    wow... did you guys watch the game? or know who fixes games.. not coaches and players but the refs... if n e thing the refs were sudihg with seattle with the non call on roughing the kicker and the non holding calls in the secindary....wilson threw that ball thinking it wasmoney and BUTLER came up huge.. take it like a man you lost .. you made the wrong call
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    wow... did you guys watch the game? or know who fixes games.. not coaches and players but the refs... if n e thing the refs were sudihg with seattle with the non call on roughing the kicker and the non holding calls in the secindary....wilson threw that ball thinking it wasmoney and BUTLER came up huge.. take it like a man you lost .. you made the wrong call
     
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    seattle opend with -1 on 2h, and it reduced to 1.83 from 1.91 in bookmaker, same thing happened last year with broncos, most money was on broncos, vegas did a favor to hawks, and hawks returned the favor to them, and i lost in both superbowl, damn i hate superbowl, i really hate them, i promised myself i wont bet, but well you know the story, if seattle won, would be the biggest gain in my gambling experience, but took a hit similar to which i took before, hope i can recover soon
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    seattle opend with -1 on 2h, and it reduced to 1.83 from 1.91 in bookmaker, same thing happened last year with broncos, most money was on broncos, vegas did a favor to hawks, and hawks returned the favor to them, and i lost in both superbowl, damn i hate superbowl, i really hate them, i promised myself i wont bet, but well you know the story, if seattle won, would be the biggest gain in my gambling experience, but took a hit similar to which i took before, hope i can recover soon
     
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    How do you figure big money was on SEA? Public pounded NE since the line was released at NE -3. With all the talk about how the SEA dbacks were injured, Sherman possibly missing the game with his birth of his child, Kam and his knee, the line never moved and stayed at PK. If anything, they were just begging people to take NE.

    If anything, the game was fixed for SEA to win. Obviously, everyone pounded the under and the game goes over. Duh. But SEA had the game and he got picked. You can fix a game all you want, but you cant account for something like that happening at the end of the game. The refs can only do so much with all the instant replays and ref scrutiny going on now.
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    How do you figure big money was on SEA? Public pounded NE since the line was released at NE -3. With all the talk about how the SEA dbacks were injured, Sherman possibly missing the game with his birth of his child, Kam and his knee, the line never moved and stayed at PK. If anything, they were just begging people to take NE.

    If anything, the game was fixed for SEA to win. Obviously, everyone pounded the under and the game goes over. Duh. But SEA had the game and he got picked. You can fix a game all you want, but you cant account for something like that happening at the end of the game. The refs can only do so much with all the instant replays and ref scrutiny going on now.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Second2-Numbers:

    "... My conclusion: Seattle probably got the call from Vegas to dump the game."

    Did you make your wagers in VEGAS ?

    or thru your Taiwanese bookie or Pinacle sports book ( offshore ) ?

    Why should Vegas do your bookie a favor ? 
     
    LOL...

     

    I made all my wagers thru this local sportsbook (the biggest in Taiwan, like the pinnacle of Taiwan). There are also lines maker in Taiwan that adjusts the line and juices in a constant manner for this sportsbook. Needless to say, this Sportsbook is like the universal (the biggest one and most reliable one, with over 15 years of history) wagering site in Taiwan; so, they will have very decent (and likely high-paid) lines maker for the sportsbook that will be more sharp than me and most average bettors. So, in my personal opinion, I think the linesetter probably sensed something fishy in Taiwan and made the lines and juices the way they were... I really couldnt tell for sure. Just odd that one team would stay at low-juice (86%) for like 10-hour period and changed to high-juice (96%) in the very last hour or so... Most of the times, the juice stay constant and only moved 1-2% off its standard range (94-95%). For a big game like this, and for the juice to move from 94% to 86% in 3 hours and stayed there for 10 hours, and then moved back to 96% in the last hour, it is very uncommon, and almost never seen before in a big, worldwide game like this... Just my thinking...

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    "... My conclusion: Seattle probably got the call from Vegas to dump the game."

    Did you make your wagers in VEGAS ?

    or thru your Taiwanese bookie or Pinacle sports book ( offshore ) ?

    Why should Vegas do your bookie a favor ? 
     
    LOL...

     

    I made all my wagers thru this local sportsbook (the biggest in Taiwan, like the pinnacle of Taiwan). There are also lines maker in Taiwan that adjusts the line and juices in a constant manner for this sportsbook. Needless to say, this Sportsbook is like the universal (the biggest one and most reliable one, with over 15 years of history) wagering site in Taiwan; so, they will have very decent (and likely high-paid) lines maker for the sportsbook that will be more sharp than me and most average bettors. So, in my personal opinion, I think the linesetter probably sensed something fishy in Taiwan and made the lines and juices the way they were... I really couldnt tell for sure. Just odd that one team would stay at low-juice (86%) for like 10-hour period and changed to high-juice (96%) in the very last hour or so... Most of the times, the juice stay constant and only moved 1-2% off its standard range (94-95%). For a big game like this, and for the juice to move from 94% to 86% in 3 hours and stayed there for 10 hours, and then moved back to 96% in the last hour, it is very uncommon, and almost never seen before in a big, worldwide game like this... Just my thinking...

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