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#26
I've watched a bunch of SEA games and it wasnt the first time theyfaked teh run and threw it in for a TD. It just didnt work out this time...
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Fixed game or not. (My perspective from Taiwan)
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#27
I'm also in Taiwan miumiu, where are you at? I'm in the central area.
You have some good points but I think people saying it's fixed is a bit ridiculous. Russell Wilson throws a miracle pass to the 10 yard line and then gets the "call" from Vegas. Coach says, "Okay Russell, I know we wanna do the impossible and repeat as super bowl champions but "Vegas" needs you to throw an interception on the goaline. Make sure it isn't too obvious though, Butler has to make an incredible play on the ball for this to not be too obvious." I don't think so.
Why can't everyone just say that it was a questionable call and the defender made an outstanding play. Carroll probably should have run the ball but Wilson shouldn't have even tried to make that pass. Throw a fade or throw the ball away. I think it really comes down to the defender making a great play and Seattle trying to catch the Patriots off guard with a throwing play. If no one had money on the game, no one would be screaming fix. We would all just appreciate the interception and route jump.
Losing money on anything allows your mind to create false scenarios and can convince you that you were tricked into losing. The reality is though, someone has to win and someone has to lose. If they score that touchdown then you have some other people on covers crying because the catch was fixed and it shouldn't have happened, blah blah blah.
Also, I think the outcome was the worst possible one for Vegas, they would have made more money with a Seahawks victory. Just my opinion though.
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#28
Quote Originally Posted by Baby_BA:
Books somehow knew? Yup, it was all scripted.
Pats make a huge comeback and then Hawks make an azz catch to get it close to the possible winner. And then Russell tosses it away for the loss.
Couldn't have set it up better myself...
Books somehow knew? Yup, it was all scripted.
Pats make a huge comeback and then Hawks make an azz catch to get it close to the possible winner. And then Russell tosses it away for the loss.
Couldn't have set it up better myself...
In my own conspiracy theory, there are two reasons for that:
(a) TV ratings: to make the game itself more exciting and fun to watch (as opposed to just a pure defensive battle or one-sided game).
(b) Over/Under bets: to make sure all Under bets (1st Half, full-game or even in-game wagering done in the 1st quarter) are toasted.
Or maybe it was just a coincidence... but when I add all of these unexplainable obeservations up, I personally lean more towards the "conspiracy theory" part... However, this is just my own opinion... but you be the judge. 
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#29
Quote Originally Posted by Gabbo:
Unexpected success>>unexpected failure in terms of emotions. Their comeback is something that is going to be in the pantheon of all time comebacks. This will be a tough loss to take, but it's not like they blew completely it. Plus, they had won last year.
Unexpected success>>unexpected failure in terms of emotions. Their comeback is something that is going to be in the pantheon of all time comebacks. This will be a tough loss to take, but it's not like they blew completely it. Plus, they had won last year.
As for the OP point, this is probably one of the worst possible scores for Vegas and sportsbooks. The favorite won, the game went over, all the teasers won, and most of the expected main player props won.
The only thing that would have been worse is if the Pats took the safety at the end if not for that offsides.
this is probably one of the worst possible scores for Vegas and sportsbooks. ---> Hmmm... I am not so sure... but we will be able to see the actual profit/loss results from this Superbowl when Vegas release their figures in a few weeks. We shall see... maybe you are correct...
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#30
lol.if you think its fixed. which you seem to then. 1) stop betting or 2) figure out the fixed side.
neither one of these is going to happen so suck up the lose and move on. you really think they had the refs/seattle and pats in on the fix?
the likeley hood of team sports being fixed is so low its stupid. a fixer would have way better success in a one man sport like boxing or fighting
focus your energy elsewhere
focus your energy elsewhere0
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#31
Sir I'm all for conspiracy theories. I think we have a bigger problem than sports with that being said I want to be on the radio. And your thinking is somewhat flawed. We could point out plenty of games where u c something fishy on teams not covering spreads. But like I've said in other threads and I hope you guys don't let the media pull the wool over your eyes. That call was politics. They wanted to make Wilson the mvp the media darling what other way than he throws the game Winnin td. Like Brady when the real maps are grok and lynch. But the stories are similar because both gronk and lynch want to be paid but the media darlings the qbs get the credit while gronk and lynch aren't respected like they should. Please don't fall for the bull. It's plenty of bull in nba games but saying this was fixed u are reaching. I also saw them same reports u saw about the sharps picking the hawks. But I also saw a bookmaker say they won't break even cause of so much money on the patriots.
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#32
Quote Originally Posted by monstergrit:
lol.if you think its fixed. which you seem to then. 1) stop betting or 2) figure out the fixed side.
lol.if you think its fixed. which you seem to then. 1) stop betting or 2) figure out the fixed side.
neither one of these is going to happen so suck up the lose and move on. you really think they had the refs/seattle and pats in on the fix?
the likeley hood of team sports being fixed is so low its stupid. a fixer would have way better success in a one man sport like boxing or fightingfocus your energy elsewhere
focus your energy elsewhereagreed... if there was a fix it was for the hawks...non call on roughing the kicker...
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#33
Quote Originally Posted by MclatchyHostage:
I'm also in Taiwan miumiu, where are you at? I'm in the central area.
I'm also in Taiwan miumiu, where are you at? I'm in the central area.
You have some good points but I think people saying it's fixed is a bit ridiculous. Russell Wilson throws a miracle pass to the 10 yard line and then gets the "call" from Vegas. Coach says, "Okay Russell, I know we wanna do the impossible and repeat as super bowl champions but "Vegas" needs you to throw an interception on the goaline. Make sure it isn't too obvious though, Butler has to make an incredible play on the ball for this to not be too obvious." I don't think so.
Why can't everyone just say that it was a questionable call and the defender made an outstanding play. Carroll probably should have run the ball but Wilson shouldn't have even tried to make that pass. Throw a fade or throw the ball away. I think it really comes down to the defender making a great play and Seattle trying to catch the Patriots off guard with a throwing play. If no one had money on the game, no one would be screaming fix. We would all just appreciate the interception and route jump.
Losing money on anything allows your mind to create false scenarios and can convince you that you were tricked into losing. The reality is though, someone has to win and someone has to lose. If they score that touchdown then you have some other people on covers crying because the catch was fixed and it shouldn't have happened, blah blah blah.
Also, I think the outcome was the worst possible one for Vegas, they would have made more money with a Seahawks victory. Just my opinion though.
I am in Taipei City (north part of Taiwan). Good counter-point. That's why I brought my suscipions up for discussion and feedback. Like you said, we can all just look at this game as a normal game, and coach made a bad calling (trying to catch NE off-guard by throwing as opposed to passing). And I hope you are right... these are just some of my suspicions and doubts, and it happened all too often in other games thru similar fashions as well... And we will never know for a "fact" until someone gets caught again... haha... but very good counter-point, and I am in no position to challenge any of the things you said. This is just another usual day at the NFL...
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Quote Originally Posted by miumiu921:
In my own conspiracy theory, there are two reasons for that:
(a) TV ratings: to make the game itself more exciting and fun to watch (as opposed to just a pure defensive battle or one-sided game).
(b) Over/Under bets: to make sure all Under bets (1st Half, full-game or even in-game wagering done in the 1st quarter) are toasted.
Or maybe it was just a coincidence... but when I add all of these unexplainable obeservations up, I personally lean more towards the "conspiracy theory" part... However, this is just my own opinion... but you be the judge.
Since I get to be the judge, the Hawks were EXTREMELY lucky to get that azz catch, and lost on a clear mistake after that.
No crazy conspiracy or alien influence, Hawks were subpar and Pats BEAT them.
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Quote Originally Posted by monstergrit:
lol.if you think its fixed. which you seem to then. 1) stop betting or 2) figure out the fixed side.
lol.if you think its fixed. which you seem to then. 1) stop betting or 2) figure out the fixed side.
neither one of these is going to happen so suck up the lose and move on. you really think they had the refs/seattle and pats in on the fix?
the likeley hood of team sports being fixed is so low its stupid. a fixer would have way better success in a one man sport like boxing or fightingfocus your energy elsewhere
Yeah... this is exactly what I am doing, to trying to see valuable feedback or counterpoints to my original thoughts. I am here to listen and learn. Like you said, trying to figure out the "fixed side"... I am doing exactly that (to hear from all replies, positive or negative), and hope to gain from it. After this thread (since I dont really post that much, and it's the first conspiracy theory thread that I have ever posted), I will definitely focus my energy elsewhere... Damage is done and a loss is a loss, and I have no regret for my bets. Life goes on and I will just need to try to grind back one game at a time, in the NBA...
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Quote Originally Posted by johnrt:
Sir I'm all for conspiracy theories. I think we have a bigger problem than sports with that being said I want to be on the radio. And your thinking is somewhat flawed. We could point out plenty of games where u c something fishy on teams not covering spreads. But like I've said in other threads and I hope you guys don't let the media pull the wool over your eyes. That call was politics. They wanted to make Wilson the mvp the media darling what other way than he throws the game Winnin td. Like Brady when the real maps are grok and lynch. But the stories are similar because both gronk and lynch want to be paid but the media darlings the qbs get the credit while gronk and lynch aren't respected like they should. Please don't fall for the bull. It's plenty of bull in nba games but saying this was fixed u are reaching. I also saw them same reports u saw about the sharps picking the hawks. But I also saw a bookmaker say they won't break even cause of so much money on the patriots.
Sir I'm all for conspiracy theories. I think we have a bigger problem than sports with that being said I want to be on the radio. And your thinking is somewhat flawed. We could point out plenty of games where u c something fishy on teams not covering spreads. But like I've said in other threads and I hope you guys don't let the media pull the wool over your eyes. That call was politics. They wanted to make Wilson the mvp the media darling what other way than he throws the game Winnin td. Like Brady when the real maps are grok and lynch. But the stories are similar because both gronk and lynch want to be paid but the media darlings the qbs get the credit while gronk and lynch aren't respected like they should. Please don't fall for the bull. It's plenty of bull in nba games but saying this was fixed u are reaching. I also saw them same reports u saw about the sharps picking the hawks. But I also saw a bookmaker say they won't break even cause of so much money on the patriots.
Okay, point taken. Thanks for the feedback, and like I said, we will see for sure, how much Vegas wins or loses in this Superbowl, when they release the figures in a few weeks. 
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Quote Originally Posted by Baby_BA:
Since I get to be the judge, the Hawks were EXTREMELY lucky to get that azz catch, and lost on a clear mistake after that.
No crazy conspiracy or alien influence, Hawks were subpar and Pats BEAT them.
Since I get to be the judge, the Hawks were EXTREMELY lucky to get that azz catch, and lost on a clear mistake after that.
No crazy conspiracy or alien influence, Hawks were subpar and Pats BEAT them.
I dont disagree that Hawks were super lucky to have made that catch (at the 5-yard line); in my conspiracy theory, maybe they werent supposed to (but most players wont know); in my opinion, if Vegas wants to fix a game, they want to fix as fewer people as possible, and in this case, maybe just the coach and the quarterback (and maybe Lynch as well). I dont know... This is just a wild imagination from me, like Julia Roberts in that Pelican Brief's move... haha
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Quote Originally Posted by St2ee:
Great read man. Obviously game wasn't fixed but poor judgment and cockyness finally bit the smiling Pete in the behind. They thought they were onstoppable or invincible and it finally came back to bite them. I enjoyed it personally!
Great read man. Obviously game wasn't fixed but poor judgment and cockyness finally bit the smiling Pete in the behind. They thought they were onstoppable or invincible and it finally came back to bite them. I enjoyed it personally!
Thanks for the feedback and chiming in. Cant disagree with you and your assessment at all. And I want to thank you personally again to releasing that Titan Moon play, in helping me to reduce half of my wagers for the game. I originally had 10k (USD) equivalent on the game, and reduced it by half after I read your post and watched the strange line/juice movement on my local sportsbook. Many thanks again. You are one of the most valued capper that I have come across on this site..., keep up the good work and your NBA threads are a must-read for me everyday. Cheers, mate!!
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#41
Quote Originally Posted by jrgumpert:
Hmmmmm, I don't know. So Marshawn Lynch knew to only run for 4 yards on the play before instead of 5?
Lots of people have to be in on fixes and all it takes is one wife or girlfriend squealing to one of the tabloid TV shows or the press. The only way a secret doesn't get out if two people know about it is........ You guys know the rest, somebody's gotta die.
That was a tough pic that kid made, 9 times out of 10 that is caught for a TD or is incomplete. Tough beat folks, not buying it was fixed. Unless some dead bodies end up to folks related to some team members.
Hmmmmm, I don't know. So Marshawn Lynch knew to only run for 4 yards on the play before instead of 5?
Lots of people have to be in on fixes and all it takes is one wife or girlfriend squealing to one of the tabloid TV shows or the press. The only way a secret doesn't get out if two people know about it is........ You guys know the rest, somebody's gotta die.
That was a tough pic that kid made, 9 times out of 10 that is caught for a TD or is incomplete. Tough beat folks, not buying it was fixed. Unless some dead bodies end up to folks related to some team members.
Okay, thanks for the feedback and counterpoint. Fair enough... 
If the game was indeed fixed, I would guessed only a very limited of persons/players need to (or have to) know, which includes the coach, the quarterback and probably the running back... Just my wildest imagination... haha
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#42
Quote Originally Posted by THEFIXISIN:
Do you believe in my name now, do you know how many haters hate on my name. I need a throwback "HEHATEME" jersey from the xfl www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTDtVopmHBc.
Do you believe in my name now, do you know how many haters hate on my name. I need a throwback "HEHATEME" jersey from the xfl www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTDtVopmHBc.
Read this book.............https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_nl1TQhDuI
Haha... I hear ya 
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Quote Originally Posted by ShadowWarrior:
Let seattle score n maybe Brady pulls one out n NE wins anyway. U do not need to wait till end of game to fix the game imo .
Let seattle score n maybe Brady pulls one out n NE wins anyway. U do not need to wait till end of game to fix the game imo .
Yeah, that could happen too (if given sufficient time)... but only 40 seconds left... too many things could go wrong if Seahawks scored there and NE had to score again... (in my conspiracy theory mind)... haha
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This makes me happy to know that not just Americans are full of bloated, half-asssed comments after losing a bet fueled by sentence fragments filled with "fixed" and "vegas."
Just goes to show you that even in Taiwan, when a man loses a bet, he points to vegas and the league for stealing his money on the fix.
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Quote Originally Posted by miumiu921:
I have been a long-time member/lurker on Covers, rarely post but have been reading most of the posts in the forum.
Whether this Superbowl game was truly fixed or not, here are my perspective and reasons:
(1) The biggest sports-wagering site in Taiwan (called Worldwide) had this game up last night (they only have the game/lines 1 day before the actual game, unlike most other sites in the US). At first, Seattle Seahawks line was -0.5 but poor juice (went from 94% to 90% in the first hour, and from 90% to 86% within the first 3 hours; and never recovered from the low juice until 1 hour before gametime). This rarely happens (staying at such a low juice on one side, Seattle, for almost the entire betting action time) for such a big game like this. Even though Superbowl is not as popular in Taiwan, but it is still a widely wagered game. However, one hour before game time, the line for Seattle went from -1 to pk, with normal juice or high juice again at 96%. My conclusion: something is up, even books in Taiwan somehow knew...
(2) Almost every thread I opened was talking about "Under", and you can see it for yourselves too on Covers. Based on the threads that I have opened, it seemed 80% or more of the threads had "Under". But guess what? At that time, I knew the Under wouldnt cash in for such a big game like this... And guess what? Even after no-scoring in the 1st quarter, they produced 28 points in the 2nd quarter alone, making sure any 1st half Unders are toast, and you cannot even buy out your original full game Unders because the 2nd half O/U line was 24. Even if you tried to buy out with Over 24, it was a still push for the 2nd half; but the more important full game under at 47, 48, 49 are all toasted. My conclusion: Vegas wins big on most of the Over/Under bets.
(3) I have been watching very closely on the Superbowl lines for the last 2 weeks (i.e. Pinnacle). I can tell (I may be wrong, but I think this is true, and Vegas will release their numbers and profits soon) that even though most of the bets (not $$ amounts) are on NE (as also suggested by Covers Consensus 60% NE, 40% Seattle), but the big money was coming in heavily on Seattle Seahawks (including mine), especially in the last couple of days, which is why you see the line went from pk to -1, and juice went from -102 for Seattle to -110 for Seattle on pinnacle in the last 1-2 days, until 1-2 hour before gametime (when most of the wagers have probably been placed already). So, if Seattle wins, I think Vegas stands to lose some big money (again, we will be able to know the actul profit/loss figures when Vegas released it). My conclusion: Vegas wont want Seattle win.
(4) With 40 some seconds left, when Seattle made it 2nd and goal at the 1-yard line, if they score a TD, NE would just need a Field Goal to tie. Normally, any coach on the opposing team should call a time out there (because the odds are Seattle is going to score a TD with the amount of time left and 2 timeouts remaining, plus how well Lynch has been running). Why didn't NE call a timeout?? Unless they knew they are gonna get an interception or win the game somehow, someway.... My conclusion: Seattle probably got the call from Vegas to dump the game.
(5) With 2 Time outs left (Seahawks also wasted a timeout the down before (1st down), as the play clock went to zero, dont get that part either; I guess Vegas wants to make full sure that Seattle wont get the ball back after the interception) and ball at the 1-yard line at 2nd down (3 tries to the end zone), any coach with any sense would run there (at least on the 2nd down), and give Lynch a shot (especially he had already run 4 yards from the 5-yard line to 1-yard line on the previous down). Even if they want to throw, why not throw at the corners where its less covered or less chance for interception? Why throw at the middle where there are tons of NE defenders? Or why even bother throwing at 2nd down? I can see they try throwing on 3rd down or 4th down... but never on 2nd down with Wilson throwing... My conclusion: only way it will make sure NE wins, cuz if they hand the ball to Lynch, he will score maybe 70% of the times, if not more. Vegas or Seattle can't risk that if NE needs to win.
(6) So, why fix this game? who gains?
(a) Vegas wins (because most of the bigger bets, heavy money were probably on Seattle and Under; guess what? both lost). Vegas probably took some hit in NBA this season, as many average joes made money thru betting those streaky teams, including Atlanta and Golden State; look at this, even someone has broken the Streak21 record this season, and reached 24; I am sure many average bettors win in the NBA when Atlanta and GS were playing like ATS covering machines until last week, after Brackson's streak is broken (with GS playing against the Bulls).
(b) The NFL probably also wants Tom Brady to win this Superbowl too, so that he will not go down as a choker (by losing 3 straight superbowls). They need Tom Brady as icon (like Michael Jordan or Lebron James). It's good for the game and promotion, and for the NFL brand too. SeaHawks are a young team with lots of talent, and NFL knows they will still have plenty of chances. So, next time, if Seattle ever goes to Superbowl again, mark my words, Vegas probably needs to return them a big favor... haha... We shall see.
I am not an expert and I am from Taiwan and dont follow the games that closely as some of the posters here. But, I am just bringing this up, based on my own observation and perspective. Hope this makes sense, and that my conspiracy theory is not too far out of line. What are your thoughts? Any feedback or corrections are welcomed. Thanks.
Great post, and you like myself so many times over are just wasting our time trying to educate the MASSES of A$$E$
really they arent worth it
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Quote Originally Posted by Califlex:
You're an idiot if you think any player is gonna dump the game because of a "call". You play to win, no professional player would do that on the biggest stage. Conspiracies are sorry excuses for the losing team as always
You're an idiot if you think any player is gonna dump the game because of a "call". You play to win, no professional player would do that on the biggest stage. Conspiracies are sorry excuses for the losing team as always
You are right, and I am absolutely not giving myself any excuses for the wrong side of my Superbowl bet. That's not what I posted here today, and I very rarely post (start a thread), and I believe this is my 1st time starting thread with the "conspiracy theory" topic. I am just looking for any feedback or opinions, positive or negative, for my future reference, so that I can have a better and wider perspective of the games.
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Quote Originally Posted by x187soldier:
whats the taiwan sportsbook website i wanna take a look at it
whats the taiwan sportsbook website i wanna take a look at it
It is called "worldwide sports net", but all in Chinese (unfortunately). And you need a User ID and password to get in to view all the odds and teams, unlike Pinnacle where anyone can take a look at their Main wagering menu and know where the latest line/odds are. So, under these conditions, I wouldnt be able to provide the information that you need. 
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