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    Can we talk about the game management of ATL last night?

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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2024 - 1:08 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by dubz4dummyz:

    Cousins is having issues with his Achilles injury. He can't step into throws properly and lost a ton of velocity on his passes...it was really really bad at the start of the season. Hasn't got much better, so they sat him down

     

    if it was injury related then I understand. But it seems like “cousins got benched” rather then he stepped down due to injury 

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubz4dummyz:

    Cousins is having issues with his Achilles injury. He can't step into throws properly and lost a ton of velocity on his passes...it was really really bad at the start of the season. Hasn't got much better, so they sat him down

     

    if it was injury related then I understand. But it seems like “cousins got benched” rather then he stepped down due to injury 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2024 - 1:09 PM ET #27

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     Lamar Jackson, T.J Yates, Shaun King

     

    Thats 3

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     Lamar Jackson, T.J Yates, Shaun King

     

    Thats 3

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2024 - 1:37 PM ET #28

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     Jackson and Yates had 6+ starts under their belt in the regular season

    shaun king had 4 and got throttled in his first road start 45-0 lol.

     

    ur missing my point. This was a must win game for the falcons and they start a rookie qb who has never started a road game in his life over a seasoned vet cousins

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     Jackson and Yates had 6+ starts under their belt in the regular season

    shaun king had 4 and got throttled in his first road start 45-0 lol.

     

    ur missing my point. This was a must win game for the falcons and they start a rookie qb who has never started a road game in his life over a seasoned vet cousins

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2024 - 1:40 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by OverAmbassador:

    @TJZags598  Jackson and Yates had 6+ starts under their belt in the regular season shaun king had 4 and got throttled in his first road start 45-0 lol.   ur missing my point. This was a must win game for the falcons and they start a rookie qb who has never started a road game in his life over a seasoned vet cousins

     

    I don’t get what’s so hard to grasp about the concept of rookie qb’s being shit on their first road start and the falcons deciding to go through with penix anyway in a must win game!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverAmbassador:

    @TJZags598  Jackson and Yates had 6+ starts under their belt in the regular season shaun king had 4 and got throttled in his first road start 45-0 lol.   ur missing my point. This was a must win game for the falcons and they start a rookie qb who has never started a road game in his life over a seasoned vet cousins

     

    I don’t get what’s so hard to grasp about the concept of rookie qb’s being shit on their first road start and the falcons deciding to go through with penix anyway in a must win game!!!

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2024 - 1:43 PM ET #30

    294 million dollars 

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    294 million dollars 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2024 - 1:45 PM ET #31

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    Well Falcons never used Kirk right. Not many (Peyton Manning probably being the best at it of all time) run the play action like Kirko does. Plus with having Bjion Robinson back there play action passing has to make the linebackers bite. Do you know how much play action passing the Falcons scripted for Kirk? Nearly none. Yes sometimes he would audible to one but rarely scripted. They frankly never used him right. I think next year with a fully healed Achilles and a team that uses him right he will be very productive again. Will he lead a team to the Superbowl probably not but productive. He isn't yet washed.

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    Well Falcons never used Kirk right. Not many (Peyton Manning probably being the best at it of all time) run the play action like Kirko does. Plus with having Bjion Robinson back there play action passing has to make the linebackers bite. Do you know how much play action passing the Falcons scripted for Kirk? Nearly none. Yes sometimes he would audible to one but rarely scripted. They frankly never used him right. I think next year with a fully healed Achilles and a team that uses him right he will be very productive again. Will he lead a team to the Superbowl probably not but productive. He isn't yet washed.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2024 - 1:45 PM ET #32

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     Have you contacted the Falcons organization yet and voiced your displeasure with how they have handled this?

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     Have you contacted the Falcons organization yet and voiced your displeasure with how they have handled this?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2024 - 1:46 PM ET #33

    Game management by Falcons was very suspect.  The Td by Falcons on 4th and goal from 20 was hilarious.  Wash D was where?  So much of that game was just stupid.  Same as ending to MIN-GB game…blowout to 2 pt game!  NFL is dumbest shit ever now.  Best thing to do is middle every game on Primetime tv……Min +1 and GB +14

    Wash ML and +10 Atlanta????????

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    Game management by Falcons was very suspect.  The Td by Falcons on 4th and goal from 20 was hilarious.  Wash D was where?  So much of that game was just stupid.  Same as ending to MIN-GB game…blowout to 2 pt game!  NFL is dumbest shit ever now.  Best thing to do is middle every game on Primetime tv……Min +1 and GB +14

    Wash ML and +10 Atlanta????????

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2024 - 1:50 PM ET #34

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     Wow! Your venue/bookie will let you tease both teams on the same game?

    Contact number of your source please.bigsmile

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     Wow! Your venue/bookie will let you tease both teams on the same game?

    Contact number of your source please.bigsmile

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2024 - 1:53 PM ET #35

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     "all of you idiots telling me cousins was not the right choice because of his horrible play please find me a rookie qb that has been thrown into the role mid season and was successful in the playoff hunt in the last 30 years. You will not find one"

     

    " Jackson and Yates had 6+ starts under their belt in the regular season"

    shaun king had 4 and got throttled in his first road start 45-0 lol.

     ur missing my point. This was a must win game for the falcons and they start a rookie qb who has never started a road game in his life over a seasoned vet cousins

     

    You keep changing the narrative to suite your delusion.. You also know %^&* about sports.

     

    When a change like this is made, it comes from the LOCKERROOM. Cousins teammates hate him. They love Penix. its that foo kin simple.,

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     "all of you idiots telling me cousins was not the right choice because of his horrible play please find me a rookie qb that has been thrown into the role mid season and was successful in the playoff hunt in the last 30 years. You will not find one"

     

    " Jackson and Yates had 6+ starts under their belt in the regular season"

    shaun king had 4 and got throttled in his first road start 45-0 lol.

     ur missing my point. This was a must win game for the falcons and they start a rookie qb who has never started a road game in his life over a seasoned vet cousins

     

    You keep changing the narrative to suite your delusion.. You also know %^&* about sports.

     

    When a change like this is made, it comes from the LOCKERROOM. Cousins teammates hate him. They love Penix. its that foo kin simple.,

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2024 - 1:53 PM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by justliketoplay:

    @Texas10sboy  Wow! Your venue/bookie will let you tease both teams on the same game? Contact number of your source please.

     

    Every book I know allows it. You might be surprised that results on a typical 6, 6.5 or 7 point tease are not profitable over the long haul. Plus he didn't say tease. He said that he has WASH ML and ATL +10. You could have both. I had MIN PK (pregame) and GB +9.5 (live). Those offering do happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justliketoplay:

    @Texas10sboy  Wow! Your venue/bookie will let you tease both teams on the same game? Contact number of your source please.

     

    Every book I know allows it. You might be surprised that results on a typical 6, 6.5 or 7 point tease are not profitable over the long haul. Plus he didn't say tease. He said that he has WASH ML and ATL +10. You could have both. I had MIN PK (pregame) and GB +9.5 (live). Those offering do happen.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2024 - 1:55 PM ET #37

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     No.  “Live” betting

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    Quote Originally Posted by TJZags598:

    When a change like this is made, it comes from the LOCKERROOM. Cousins teammates hate him. They love Penix. its that foo kin simple.,
    Site your source for this info please. Not your opinion. An actual factual source. peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by TJZags598:

    When a change like this is made, it comes from the LOCKERROOM. Cousins teammates hate him. They love Penix. its that foo kin simple.,
    Site your source for this info please. Not your opinion. An actual factual source. peace_5

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2024 - 2:12 PM ET #39

    Not calling a TO on the last drive in regulation was definitely mind boggingly stupid but making the move to Penix was the correct one.

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    Not calling a TO on the last drive in regulation was definitely mind boggingly stupid but making the move to Penix was the correct one.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2024 - 2:14 PM ET #40

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     Source: Friends.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmi799:

    Quote Originally Posted by TJZags598: When a change like this is made, it comes from the LOCKERROOM. Cousins teammates hate him. They love Penix. its that foo kin simple., Site your source for this info please. Not your opinion. An actual factual source.

    Hard to believe that honestly TJZags598. Kirk has been a positive locker room presence since he stepped into the league. Never heard any thing bad about Kirk in any locker room he ever stepped into. That being said, Penix has looked as good as Kirk this year so maybe the problem is ATL in general. Coaching, other players, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmi799:

    Quote Originally Posted by TJZags598: When a change like this is made, it comes from the LOCKERROOM. Cousins teammates hate him. They love Penix. its that foo kin simple., Site your source for this info please. Not your opinion. An actual factual source.

    Hard to believe that honestly TJZags598. Kirk has been a positive locker room presence since he stepped into the league. Never heard any thing bad about Kirk in any locker room he ever stepped into. That being said, Penix has looked as good as Kirk this year so maybe the problem is ATL in general. Coaching, other players, etc.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2024 - 2:35 PM ET #42

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     “I’ve had players inside that locker room tell me point blank, Michael Penix Jr. is the best quarterback in this building,” 

     

    if its all hakuna Matata in the locker room, why is stuff like this even being discussed?

     

    Interesting no?

     

    All major decisions like this come from the locker room.

     

     

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     “I’ve had players inside that locker room tell me point blank, Michael Penix Jr. is the best quarterback in this building,” 

     

    if its all hakuna Matata in the locker room, why is stuff like this even being discussed?

     

    Interesting no?

     

    All major decisions like this come from the locker room.

     

     

     
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    That doesn't mean they hate Cousins as you said. Maybe there are some (don't even know if a majority or minority) that feel Penix is better. Honestly that quote doesn't say much at all. 

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    That doesn't mean they hate Cousins as you said. Maybe there are some (don't even know if a majority or minority) that feel Penix is better. Honestly that quote doesn't say much at all. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jesron1269:

    @jefff Well Falcons never used Kirk right. Not many (Peyton Manning probably being the best at it of all time) run the play action like Kirko does. Plus with having Bjion Robinson back there play action passing has to make the linebackers bite. Do you know how much play action passing the Falcons scripted for Kirk? Nearly none. Yes sometimes he would audible to one but rarely scripted. They frankly never used him right. I think next year with a fully healed Achilles and a team that uses him right he will be very productive again. Will he lead a team to the Superbowl probably not but productive. He isn't yet washed.

    Agree. Back to my original point about the coaching staff peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by jesron1269:

    @jefff Well Falcons never used Kirk right. Not many (Peyton Manning probably being the best at it of all time) run the play action like Kirko does. Plus with having Bjion Robinson back there play action passing has to make the linebackers bite. Do you know how much play action passing the Falcons scripted for Kirk? Nearly none. Yes sometimes he would audible to one but rarely scripted. They frankly never used him right. I think next year with a fully healed Achilles and a team that uses him right he will be very productive again. Will he lead a team to the Superbowl probably not but productive. He isn't yet washed.

    Agree. Back to my original point about the coaching staff peace_5

     
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    @OverAmbassador  "all of you idiots telling me cousins was not the right choice because of his horrible play please find me a rookie qb that has been thrown into the role mid season and was successful in the playoff hunt in the last 30 years. You will not find one"   " Jackson and Yates had 6+ starts under their belt in the regular season" shaun king had 4 and got throttled in his first road start 45-0 lol.  ur missing my point. This was a must win game for the falcons and they start a rookie qb who has never started a road game in his life over a seasoned vet cousins   You keep changing the narrative to suite your delusion.. You also know %^&* about sports.   When a change like this is made, it comes from the LOCKERROOM. Cousins teammates hate him. They love Penix. its that foo kin simple.,

     

    What’s my narrative? Read the entire thread. Ive stated many times in this thread that rookie qbs on their first start on the road are shit. I’ve also stated that not a single rookie qb thrown into a playoff push has succeeded. Tj Yates and lamar Jackson were inserted into their roles at the beginning of the season so they had much time to prepare for playoff caliber football. Shaun king lost 45-0 in his first road start and beat backup cade mcnown in his only road win start that season. 

    you seem to not like to read between the lines which is fine, but you will always be a sheep. 

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    @OverAmbassador  "all of you idiots telling me cousins was not the right choice because of his horrible play please find me a rookie qb that has been thrown into the role mid season and was successful in the playoff hunt in the last 30 years. You will not find one"   " Jackson and Yates had 6+ starts under their belt in the regular season" shaun king had 4 and got throttled in his first road start 45-0 lol.  ur missing my point. This was a must win game for the falcons and they start a rookie qb who has never started a road game in his life over a seasoned vet cousins   You keep changing the narrative to suite your delusion.. You also know %^&* about sports.   When a change like this is made, it comes from the LOCKERROOM. Cousins teammates hate him. They love Penix. its that foo kin simple.,

     

    What’s my narrative? Read the entire thread. Ive stated many times in this thread that rookie qbs on their first start on the road are shit. I’ve also stated that not a single rookie qb thrown into a playoff push has succeeded. Tj Yates and lamar Jackson were inserted into their roles at the beginning of the season so they had much time to prepare for playoff caliber football. Shaun king lost 45-0 in his first road start and beat backup cade mcnown in his only road win start that season. 

    you seem to not like to read between the lines which is fine, but you will always be a sheep. 

     
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    Kirk is good but he can't save ATL.  Penix is good but he can't save ATL.

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    Kirk is good but he can't save ATL.  Penix is good but he can't save ATL.

     
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    Now, i do think you are correct that its probably a organizational culture issue, in Atlanta, because cousins was loved in Minnesota.

     

    But, why did Cousins leave Minnesota? strange.

     

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    Now, i do think you are correct that its probably a organizational culture issue, in Atlanta, because cousins was loved in Minnesota.

     

    But, why did Cousins leave Minnesota? strange.

     

     
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    I dont think Kirk is physically able to compete and that is the issue. Its not just that hes been bad the last few games its that where he is health wise is not nearly as good as throwing the rookie out there

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    I dont think Kirk is physically able to compete and that is the issue. Its not just that hes been bad the last few games its that where he is health wise is not nearly as good as throwing the rookie out there

     
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    If you honestly think a rookie qb with zero road starts was a better play than veteran Kirk cousins in a MUST WIN GAME you don’t know football @tjzags598

    Where are the facts to back up your logical statement of Penix being the better option? His time at Washington? His high school high light tape? His pre season snaps? 

    You are moronic to think a rookie qb can just walk onto a nfl field in his first game on the road and think you have a better chance at winning than with Kirk cousins 

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    If you honestly think a rookie qb with zero road starts was a better play than veteran Kirk cousins in a MUST WIN GAME you don’t know football @tjzags598

    Where are the facts to back up your logical statement of Penix being the better option? His time at Washington? His high school high light tape? His pre season snaps? 

    You are moronic to think a rookie qb can just walk onto a nfl field in his first game on the road and think you have a better chance at winning than with Kirk cousins 

     
     
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     "find me a rookie qb that has been thrown into the role mid season and was successful in the playoff hunt in the last 30 years. You will not find one"

     

    Now you are saying first road game.

    I am not reading between the lines. I just read what you wrote, and responded to what you wrote. I didn't imagine these things.

     I found more than 1.

     

    Then you add qualifiers. you are right, everyone else is wrong.

     

    I mean , if i take you literally, mid season would be game # 9, so it would be hard to find a rookie QB put in in game #9 in any season. and then it would have to be a road game.

     

     

     

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     "find me a rookie qb that has been thrown into the role mid season and was successful in the playoff hunt in the last 30 years. You will not find one"

     

    Now you are saying first road game.

    I am not reading between the lines. I just read what you wrote, and responded to what you wrote. I didn't imagine these things.

     I found more than 1.

     

    Then you add qualifiers. you are right, everyone else is wrong.

     

    I mean , if i take you literally, mid season would be game # 9, so it would be hard to find a rookie QB put in in game #9 in any season. and then it would have to be a road game.

     

     

     

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