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    Scott Foster and the Heavily Moved Line

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    Mikado
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2013 - 10:11 PM ET #1

    A little research into this topic reveals some interesting patterns.  Whether you buy into the fact that the NBA is a fixed league or not is regardless, the point is you can still make money if you know what to look for. 

    After watching almost half of the game and seeing where the calls are going, it seems fairly obvious to me that Scott Foster is getting a little too generous towards the Heat (if you have not seen it with the Bulls and Pacers series). 

    Line opened with the Spurs being a 2 point favorite, yet tipped at a 1 point dog.  I am not going to go into too much detail here because all of this is Googable (if that is a term yet) - but when Scott Foster is on a game where the line moves more than two points is a SOLID indicator the team of the direction of that movement will be a winner.

    We can talk about all the interworkings of the matchups and psychology of a Game 4, but you are watching this game blind if you think the officials do not matter. 

    Chalk it up for MIA 
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    A little research into this topic reveals some interesting patterns.  Whether you buy into the fact that the NBA is a fixed league or not is regardless, the point is you can still make money if you know what to look for. 

    After watching almost half of the game and seeing where the calls are going, it seems fairly obvious to me that Scott Foster is getting a little too generous towards the Heat (if you have not seen it with the Bulls and Pacers series). 

    Line opened with the Spurs being a 2 point favorite, yet tipped at a 1 point dog.  I am not going to go into too much detail here because all of this is Googable (if that is a term yet) - but when Scott Foster is on a game where the line moves more than two points is a SOLID indicator the team of the direction of that movement will be a winner.

    We can talk about all the interworkings of the matchups and psychology of a Game 4, but you are watching this game blind if you think the officials do not matter. 

    Chalk it up for MIA 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2013 - 10:18 PM ET #2

    you could have said your point here in 7 words or less.
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    you could have said your point here in 7 words or less.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2013 - 10:19 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:

    you could have said your point here in 7 words or less.



    You sometimes have to break the words down for the kids so they can understand.

    Thanks for your valuable insight 
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:

    you could have said your point here in 7 words or less.



    You sometimes have to break the words down for the kids so they can understand.

    Thanks for your valuable insight 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2013 - 10:21 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:

    you could have said your point here in 7 words or less.
    no no , well stated points 
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:

    you could have said your point here in 7 words or less.
    no no , well stated points 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2013 - 10:22 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:

    you could have said your point here in 7 words or less.

    you could have said your post in 12 words or less, still no difference.

    nice to see you around mikado
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:

    you could have said your point here in 7 words or less.

    you could have said your post in 12 words or less, still no difference.

    nice to see you around mikado
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2013 - 10:23 PM ET #6

    many overlooked Scott Foster & even Mike Callahan for game 4. When both these two are reffing a Heat game ends up a Miami victory. FT's & PF"s are usually very lopsided. It's kinda even now but it willall be revealed in the 2nd half especially in the 3rd q.
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    many overlooked Scott Foster & even Mike Callahan for game 4. When both these two are reffing a Heat game ends up a Miami victory. FT's & PF"s are usually very lopsided. It's kinda even now but it willall be revealed in the 2nd half especially in the 3rd q.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2013 - 10:25 PM ET #7

    Just trying to give the appearance of a close game. Spurs can actually outplay all of those bad calls unlike Indiana who got the life sucked out of them. Spurs just keep answering back like a big F U to the refs. Very entertaining.
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    Just trying to give the appearance of a close game. Spurs can actually outplay all of those bad calls unlike Indiana who got the life sucked out of them. Spurs just keep answering back like a big F U to the refs. Very entertaining.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2013 - 10:26 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:

    you could have said your point here in 7 words or less.

    Doubt you can do that with that much detail.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:

    you could have said your point here in 7 words or less.

    Doubt you can do that with that much detail.  

     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2013 - 10:27 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:

    you could have said your point here in 7 words or less.


    Seriously? What a dumb thing to say after an insightful post. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVandal:

    you could have said your point here in 7 words or less.


    Seriously? What a dumb thing to say after an insightful post. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2013 - 11:40 PM ET #10

    Illegal defense, moving screens, and a flop-fest.  I knew I could count on Scott Foster to bring me a winner, but lose my faith in the NBA at the same time. 

    Gotta love how this box score will indicate Game 4 was a balanced game officiating-wise.  Mr. Tax Evasion himself (Steve Javie) is providing some colorful, yet mind-dumbing entertainment.  I miss Charles Barkley's voice. 




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    Illegal defense, moving screens, and a flop-fest.  I knew I could count on Scott Foster to bring me a winner, but lose my faith in the NBA at the same time. 

    Gotta love how this box score will indicate Game 4 was a balanced game officiating-wise.  Mr. Tax Evasion himself (Steve Javie) is providing some colorful, yet mind-dumbing entertainment.  I miss Charles Barkley's voice. 




     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2013 - 11:44 PM ET #11

    Great post

    100% believe NBA is a fixed league


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    Great post

    100% believe NBA is a fixed league


     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2013 - 11:45 PM ET #12

    The king will have his ring. Spurs betters are Bambi eyed. Refs and the goat means heat are the 2013 champs!!!!
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    The king will have his ring. Spurs betters are Bambi eyed. Refs and the goat means heat are the 2013 champs!!!!
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2013 - 11:45 PM ET #13

    The Big 3 kicked their arses in the 2nd half...Varsity vs JV....
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    The Big 3 kicked their arses in the 2nd half...Varsity vs JV....
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2013 - 11:47 PM ET #14

    This game was off within the first couple of minutes.  Pace.  Foul calls.  Misc official step ins.

    I do understand LeBron has a flopping reputation, but for as hard as him and dWade were going at the rin tonight, 4 total trips to the line (8 total FT attempts) was kind of odd to me.  I get its the playoffs and they are "letting them play" but damn.

    And the continuation calls need to be defined and enforced.
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    This game was off within the first couple of minutes.  Pace.  Foul calls.  Misc official step ins.

    I do understand LeBron has a flopping reputation, but for as hard as him and dWade were going at the rin tonight, 4 total trips to the line (8 total FT attempts) was kind of odd to me.  I get its the playoffs and they are "letting them play" but damn.

    And the continuation calls need to be defined and enforced.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2013 - 11:50 PM ET #15

    You guys aren't watching the same game I did.  Heat called for 26 fouls and Spurs just 18.  Where's the bias?


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    You guys aren't watching the same game I did.  Heat called for 26 fouls and Spurs just 18.  Where's the bias?


     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2013 - 11:52 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by larryhughes:

    Great post

    100% believe NBA is a fixed league



    Regardless if you believe that, you can still win at it 
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    Quote Originally Posted by larryhughes:

    Great post

    100% believe NBA is a fixed league



    Regardless if you believe that, you can still win at it 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2013 - 11:53 PM ET #17

    Was on Heat, too many factors led me to them. Did anyone know also Game 3 had the lowest ratings in about 5 years, if you wanna play the ratings angle it looked good for Heat, yet that was the lowest on my angles, Stern will go out in style no doubt.
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    Was on Heat, too many factors led me to them. Did anyone know also Game 3 had the lowest ratings in about 5 years, if you wanna play the ratings angle it looked good for Heat, yet that was the lowest on my angles, Stern will go out in style no doubt.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2013 - 11:54 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by bobmaloogatimesfive:

    The king will have his ring. Spurs betters are Bambi eyed. Refs and the goat means heat are the 2013 champs!!!!

    I'll stay out of this "King" conversation and just say not only do you have to beat the Heat you have to beat the refs too 
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobmaloogatimesfive:

    The king will have his ring. Spurs betters are Bambi eyed. Refs and the goat means heat are the 2013 champs!!!!

    I'll stay out of this "King" conversation and just say not only do you have to beat the Heat you have to beat the refs too 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2013 - 11:57 PM ET #19

    Kennedy i found was very bias towards SA....i thought foster as well but not as much
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    Kennedy i found was very bias towards SA....i thought foster as well but not as much
     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2013 - 11:58 PM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by shrimp1958:

    The Big 3 kicked their arses in the 2nd half...Varsity vs JV....

    Somebody as OG as you certainly knows that the 1st 3 minutes coming out of half time is among the most important times in the game.  During those 3 minutes momentum was killed by fouls and turnovers.  Miami certainly did outplay them in the 2nd - that is not debatable, but the sudden shift in momentum dictated by the officiating is the primary way they were able to slowly gain the lead over the next 12-15 minutes or so.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrimp1958:

    The Big 3 kicked their arses in the 2nd half...Varsity vs JV....

    Somebody as OG as you certainly knows that the 1st 3 minutes coming out of half time is among the most important times in the game.  During those 3 minutes momentum was killed by fouls and turnovers.  Miami certainly did outplay them in the 2nd - that is not debatable, but the sudden shift in momentum dictated by the officiating is the primary way they were able to slowly gain the lead over the next 12-15 minutes or so.  
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2013 - 12:02 AM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by CalBear:

    Kennedy i found was very bias towards SA....i thought foster as well but not as much

    What you need to know about Billy Kennedy is he avgs almost more FTS attempts in the league than any other ref, those who avg more would likely be DQed in statistical analysis due to low sample size of games.  Known for superstar treatment - not really biased towards certain teams, more certain players.  Can send shooters to the line with very minimal contact.  

    You should seriously do some research on Foster.  IMO he is easy money if you know how to read him.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalBear:

    Kennedy i found was very bias towards SA....i thought foster as well but not as much

    What you need to know about Billy Kennedy is he avgs almost more FTS attempts in the league than any other ref, those who avg more would likely be DQed in statistical analysis due to low sample size of games.  Known for superstar treatment - not really biased towards certain teams, more certain players.  Can send shooters to the line with very minimal contact.  

    You should seriously do some research on Foster.  IMO he is easy money if you know how to read him.  
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2013 - 12:14 AM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by jtoler:

    Was on Heat, too many factors led me to them. Did anyone know also Game 3 had the lowest ratings in about 5 years, if you wanna play the ratings angle it looked good for Heat, yet that was the lowest on my angles, Stern will go out in style no doubt.

    If that is your angle just bet there will be a game 7.  However I am not so convinced on the ratings angle.  You are right, this series (or this playoffs in general) is not on the same level as playoffs past.  I do not think that Miami and SA are too small of markets to generate interest, it is the finals.  Honestly, my interest in this finals is MUCH less than years past.  I cannot pinpoint the exact reason, but I know it has something to do with the promotion, the hype, and media surrounding the Finals.  The actual coverage seems like a total sideshow and circus, everybody from Magic to Simmons is making it worse with the commentary.  Maybe I am just done listening to Jeff Van Gundy hop on Lebron's d*ck.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtoler:

    Was on Heat, too many factors led me to them. Did anyone know also Game 3 had the lowest ratings in about 5 years, if you wanna play the ratings angle it looked good for Heat, yet that was the lowest on my angles, Stern will go out in style no doubt.

    If that is your angle just bet there will be a game 7.  However I am not so convinced on the ratings angle.  You are right, this series (or this playoffs in general) is not on the same level as playoffs past.  I do not think that Miami and SA are too small of markets to generate interest, it is the finals.  Honestly, my interest in this finals is MUCH less than years past.  I cannot pinpoint the exact reason, but I know it has something to do with the promotion, the hype, and media surrounding the Finals.  The actual coverage seems like a total sideshow and circus, everybody from Magic to Simmons is making it worse with the commentary.  Maybe I am just done listening to Jeff Van Gundy hop on Lebron's d*ck.  
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2013 - 12:20 AM ET #23

    Naw ratings was the least thing I looked at, it had more to do with knowing how the Heat respond in these situations, kinda like Game 3 on the road in Indy when they blew them out. Its like they know they can win these games they just want to win by doing as least as possible when that doesnt work then they just play the style they know wins for them and that is uptempo, they feel no team can run with them over 4 quarters when they run, Indy showed they couldnt and Spurs showed it tonight.
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    Naw ratings was the least thing I looked at, it had more to do with knowing how the Heat respond in these situations, kinda like Game 3 on the road in Indy when they blew them out. Its like they know they can win these games they just want to win by doing as least as possible when that doesnt work then they just play the style they know wins for them and that is uptempo, they feel no team can run with them over 4 quarters when they run, Indy showed they couldnt and Spurs showed it tonight.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2013 - 12:31 AM ET #24

    This series kinda reminds me of how MIA played in the regular season.  
    Effort was extremely varying, but as we have seen (like vs Pistons and Cavs this year) they can come back from getting their azz handed to them for 36 minutes, they just have to find that motivation and drive.  When Miami is turned on, they cannot be stopped - best team in the league.  However SA can win this series and that starts with consistency on D, they cannot let Miami find their confidence, especially in transition and from the 3 pt line.  SA needs to play 48 minutes of strict D like Game 3 and do not let Miami get in their zone.  SA's offense will find itself enough points to win, they just cannot do too much and start making mistakes on the offensive end turning their TO's into easy MIA buckets.  
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    This series kinda reminds me of how MIA played in the regular season.  
    Effort was extremely varying, but as we have seen (like vs Pistons and Cavs this year) they can come back from getting their azz handed to them for 36 minutes, they just have to find that motivation and drive.  When Miami is turned on, they cannot be stopped - best team in the league.  However SA can win this series and that starts with consistency on D, they cannot let Miami find their confidence, especially in transition and from the 3 pt line.  SA needs to play 48 minutes of strict D like Game 3 and do not let Miami get in their zone.  SA's offense will find itself enough points to win, they just cannot do too much and start making mistakes on the offensive end turning their TO's into easy MIA buckets.  
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2013 - 12:34 AM ET #25

    this is the best thread today. i was already big on the cheats. when i saw foster was reffing i was pretty much all in. i put the last of my bk in the 2h on the cheats. i'm having a hell of a fianls basing my plays on fixed and manipulated games.

    keep it going Mikado.
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    this is the best thread today. i was already big on the cheats. when i saw foster was reffing i was pretty much all in. i put the last of my bk in the 2h on the cheats. i'm having a hell of a fianls basing my plays on fixed and manipulated games.

    keep it going Mikado.
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