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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2024 - 9:23 AM ET #1

    LAC Harden u22.5 Pts -135 BP

     

    SZN: 69-52 | +2.7u | +2.23% ROI

    L20: 13-7 | +3.85u | 19.25% ROI

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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2024 - 9:26 AM ET #2

    Harden going against his old team in OKC there could be some added motivation there  Good luck peace_5clover

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    Harden going against his old team in OKC there could be some added motivation there  Good luck peace_5clover

     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2024 - 9:41 AM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Money_Team99:

    Harden going against his old team in OKC there could be some added motivation there  Good luck

     

    Thanks!

    I don't play on scripts, I play on value and it works long-term. He has been bumped to 21.5 most places already so the value is secured! I certainly understand your angle though peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Money_Team99:

    Harden going against his old team in OKC there could be some added motivation there  Good luck

     

    Thanks!

    I don't play on scripts, I play on value and it works long-term. He has been bumped to 21.5 most places already so the value is secured! I certainly understand your angle though peace_5

     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2024 - 9:48 AM ET #4

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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2024 - 10:39 AM ET #5

    BKY Finney-Smith o13.5 PRA -115 BP

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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2024 - 11:16 AM ET #6

    NOP Ingram o23.5 Pts -135 BV

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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2024 - 11:30 AM ET #7

    CLE Allen o13.5 Pts -145 BV

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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2024 - 12:45 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by emoltzan:

    Quote Originally Posted by Money_Team99: Harden going against his old team in OKC there could be some added motivation there  Good luck   Thanks! I don't play on scripts, I play on value and it works long-term. He has been bumped to 21.5 most places already so the value is secured! I certainly understand your angle though

     

    To be fair you are paying insane juice at 22.5...over the long run that will be tough to beat

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by emoltzan:

    Quote Originally Posted by Money_Team99: Harden going against his old team in OKC there could be some added motivation there  Good luck   Thanks! I don't play on scripts, I play on value and it works long-term. He has been bumped to 21.5 most places already so the value is secured! I certainly understand your angle though

     

    To be fair you are paying insane juice at 22.5...over the long run that will be tough to beat

     

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2024 - 2:22 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by dubz4dummyz:

    Quote Originally Posted by emoltzan: Quote Originally Posted by Money_Team99: Harden going against his old team in OKC there could be some added motivation there  Good luck   Thanks! I don't play on scripts, I play on value and it works long-term. He has been bumped to 21.5 most places already so the value is secured! I certainly understand your angle though   To be fair you are paying insane juice at 22.5...over the long run that will be tough to beat

    I don't believe -135 is insane juice?

    Just to put it in perspective last year I was 295-180 which is 62.11%, break-even there is -164. My avg odds over these bets was -127.8

    So I was way ahead of the vig, you only care about comparing vig to hit rate and odds. 

    This year I'm 69-52 (57.02%) which is -133 and my average odds so far is -126 hence +ROI. 

    I factor all this in, just like playing -200 and hitting 70% is profit. So I disagree with your statement and I'm open to hearing a counterargument. 

    Also almost all my plays have +CLV, mathematical guarantee to profit. Whether he hits or chalks idc, I care that I secured value which inevitably leads to +ROI. Also why I love volume, I will end the season around 1500-2000 plays roughly. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubz4dummyz:

    Quote Originally Posted by emoltzan: Quote Originally Posted by Money_Team99: Harden going against his old team in OKC there could be some added motivation there  Good luck   Thanks! I don't play on scripts, I play on value and it works long-term. He has been bumped to 21.5 most places already so the value is secured! I certainly understand your angle though   To be fair you are paying insane juice at 22.5...over the long run that will be tough to beat

    I don't believe -135 is insane juice?

    Just to put it in perspective last year I was 295-180 which is 62.11%, break-even there is -164. My avg odds over these bets was -127.8

    So I was way ahead of the vig, you only care about comparing vig to hit rate and odds. 

    This year I'm 69-52 (57.02%) which is -133 and my average odds so far is -126 hence +ROI. 

    I factor all this in, just like playing -200 and hitting 70% is profit. So I disagree with your statement and I'm open to hearing a counterargument. 

    Also almost all my plays have +CLV, mathematical guarantee to profit. Whether he hits or chalks idc, I care that I secured value which inevitably leads to +ROI. Also why I love volume, I will end the season around 1500-2000 plays roughly. 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2024 - 2:35 PM ET #10

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    Respectfully of course. 

    I just wanted to highlight that I am very detailed when it comes to data/numbers. I treat this like a market and have made mistakes, learned from them and dialed in further. Everything I do is to try and capture ROI, idc about storylines or having "inclings" on things. Basic math is one of strong attributes. 

    And just consider my lense, if this line closes at 21.5 or better, (or more juiced odds at same line), I already won the bet regardless of outcome, I don't care if it hits or not I already won. This holds true over 1000+ wagers. 

     

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    Respectfully of course. 

    I just wanted to highlight that I am very detailed when it comes to data/numbers. I treat this like a market and have made mistakes, learned from them and dialed in further. Everything I do is to try and capture ROI, idc about storylines or having "inclings" on things. Basic math is one of strong attributes. 

    And just consider my lense, if this line closes at 21.5 or better, (or more juiced odds at same line), I already won the bet regardless of outcome, I don't care if it hits or not I already won. This holds true over 1000+ wagers. 

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2024 - 2:42 PM ET #11

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     Keep up the good work!peace_5

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     Keep up the good work!peace_5

     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2024 - 3:32 PM ET #12

    CHI Giddey o23.5 PRA -118 PB

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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2024 - 4:19 PM ET #13

    GL E peaceclover

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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2024 - 4:53 PM ET #14

    @emoltzan

     No I agree with most of what you said. You are just way off a standard -115 nba player prop

     

    Yes you are securing CLV but at a cost to your numbers

    What % of your picks have actually come down to the hook coming into play. Does that amount offset the lost value of the juiced lines.

     

    Why the jump from around 500 plays last year to 1500-2000 this year? The success from last year leading to more potential plays?

     

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     No I agree with most of what you said. You are just way off a standard -115 nba player prop

     

    Yes you are securing CLV but at a cost to your numbers

    What % of your picks have actually come down to the hook coming into play. Does that amount offset the lost value of the juiced lines.

     

    Why the jump from around 500 plays last year to 1500-2000 this year? The success from last year leading to more potential plays?

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2024 - 5:33 PM ET #15

    SAS Castle u19.5 PRA -115 BP

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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2024 - 5:34 PM ET #16

    Bol peace_5 clover

    I like Ingram 

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    I like Ingram 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2024 - 5:35 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by leventis72:

    Bol   I like Ingram

    Thanks 72 

    It's a square play but it's the right play 

    Classic lol an_roll_laugh

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    Bol   I like Ingram

    Thanks 72 

    It's a square play but it's the right play 

    Classic lol an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2024 - 5:40 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by dubz4dummyz:

    @emoltzan  No I agree with most of what you said. You are just way off a standard -115 nba player prop   Yes you are securing CLV but at a cost to your numbers What % of your picks have actually come down to the hook coming into play. Does that amount offset the lost value of the juiced lines.   Why the jump from around 500 plays last year to 1500-2000 this year? The success from last year leading to more potential plays?

     

    My range of odds last year was about -115 to -150, I didn't love -150 but I played them in certain spots. I typically am 1.0 better than the -115 lines so yes I can see your point of view and incorporating the hook in would be valuable data. I haven't tabulated it but definitely have won many times by the "reverse hook" if you will, again not tabulated so I can't claim the value you mention. 

    As far as volume, last year I started in January so that's the main reason, I widened parameters to allow for more plays too. I did just calculate and I'm currently on pace for 1000, so behind my initial claim but that was a guess without calculating. I hope to make 1500 plays though, we'll see if the pace increases. 

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    @emoltzan  No I agree with most of what you said. You are just way off a standard -115 nba player prop   Yes you are securing CLV but at a cost to your numbers What % of your picks have actually come down to the hook coming into play. Does that amount offset the lost value of the juiced lines.   Why the jump from around 500 plays last year to 1500-2000 this year? The success from last year leading to more potential plays?

     

    My range of odds last year was about -115 to -150, I didn't love -150 but I played them in certain spots. I typically am 1.0 better than the -115 lines so yes I can see your point of view and incorporating the hook in would be valuable data. I haven't tabulated it but definitely have won many times by the "reverse hook" if you will, again not tabulated so I can't claim the value you mention. 

    As far as volume, last year I started in January so that's the main reason, I widened parameters to allow for more plays too. I did just calculate and I'm currently on pace for 1000, so behind my initial claim but that was a guess without calculating. I hope to make 1500 plays though, we'll see if the pace increases. 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2024 - 5:50 PM ET #19

    @emoltzan

     Ya you are essentially buying points as opposed to CLV..although you could claim it as CLV I suppose..so you should calculate if buying those points is actually benefitting you. You should be able to figure it out pretty quickly since you seem good with numbers

     

    Anyways good luck rest of the year. Always check to see if my thoughts are lining up with yours 

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     Ya you are essentially buying points as opposed to CLV..although you could claim it as CLV I suppose..so you should calculate if buying those points is actually benefitting you. You should be able to figure it out pretty quickly since you seem good with numbers

     

    Anyways good luck rest of the year. Always check to see if my thoughts are lining up with yours 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2024 - 6:14 PM ET #20

    BKY Claxton u10.5 Reb -132 BP

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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2024 - 10:34 PM ET #21

    another circus.my bookmaker gives Ingram over 24.5pts.And of course this is another 0.5pts loss because Ingram the clown makes 2 points in the second half.And of course they won't do overtime either."I love" the NBA

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    another circus.my bookmaker gives Ingram over 24.5pts.And of course this is another 0.5pts loss because Ingram the clown makes 2 points in the second half.And of course they won't do overtime either."I love" the NBA

     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2024 - 10:59 PM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by Merlene:

    another circus.my bookmaker gives Ingram over 24.5pts.And of course this is another 0.5pts loss because Ingram the clown makes 2 points in the second half.And of course they won't do overtime either."I love" the NBA

     

    Yep I have 3 books I use and 2 were 24.5 one was 23.5, bumped to 24.5 later

    I never play bumps because I expect to play over 1000 plays so no FOMO for me

    Need multiple books long-term but either way I expected upper 20s for him if not 30, gets over 23.5 by hitting 2 FTs in whole second half as the primary shot taker in a close game.... wowzer 

     

    @dubz4dummyz

    There's 1 reverse hook lol, usually 1 per night on these NBA plays. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlene:

    another circus.my bookmaker gives Ingram over 24.5pts.And of course this is another 0.5pts loss because Ingram the clown makes 2 points in the second half.And of course they won't do overtime either."I love" the NBA

     

    Yep I have 3 books I use and 2 were 24.5 one was 23.5, bumped to 24.5 later

    I never play bumps because I expect to play over 1000 plays so no FOMO for me

    Need multiple books long-term but either way I expected upper 20s for him if not 30, gets over 23.5 by hitting 2 FTs in whole second half as the primary shot taker in a close game.... wowzer 

     

    @dubz4dummyz

    There's 1 reverse hook lol, usually 1 per night on these NBA plays. 

     
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     many people cannot afford to have a bookmaker's choice (blocking regions, etc.).When playing on the main line of most bookmakers, the loss is very often 0.5pts. And Ingram is a lazy player who has fixed the results many times.For him, 2 points in a half is the norm.He didn't move today either, he didn't need to.

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     many people cannot afford to have a bookmaker's choice (blocking regions, etc.).When playing on the main line of most bookmakers, the loss is very often 0.5pts. And Ingram is a lazy player who has fixed the results many times.For him, 2 points in a half is the norm.He didn't move today either, he didn't need to.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2024 - 11:11 PM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by Merlene:

    @emoltzan  many people cannot afford to have a bookmaker's choice (blocking regions, etc.).When playing on the main line of most bookmakers, the loss is very often 0.5pts. And Ingram is a lazy player who has fixed the results many times.For him, 2 points in a half is the norm.He didn't move today either, he didn't need to.

    What book for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlene:

    @emoltzan  many people cannot afford to have a bookmaker's choice (blocking regions, etc.).When playing on the main line of most bookmakers, the loss is very often 0.5pts. And Ingram is a lazy player who has fixed the results many times.For him, 2 points in a half is the norm.He didn't move today either, he didn't need to.

    What book for you?

     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2024 - 11:19 PM ET #25

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     Yessir. +1 unit on Ingram but -1.45 units on Allen...where maybe Allen over 14.5 points would have been -1.15 units....now multiply that over 10000+ plays

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     Yessir. +1 unit on Ingram but -1.45 units on Allen...where maybe Allen over 14.5 points would have been -1.15 units....now multiply that over 10000+ plays

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