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    Let's put this baby to bed once and for all: A fixed game nobody recalls or talks about-GS v Lakers

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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 3:41 AM ET #1

    I really hope this thread, once and for all, shuts up anybody who comes in here talking about the purity of athletics in general, and the NBA specifically. Let me also say, if, by the end of this example, you agree that the following game was fixed or manipulated by the officials to insure a certain outcome, then you should also be willing to accept the fact that the very players who experience this kind of blatant fixing/cheating (where the officials of the league act with impunity) are not above doing it themselves. BTW, the example I am going to give is not the famous game 6 between the Kings and Lakers. Everybody knows about that game and has their own opinion. No, the example I am going to give is from a regular season game with playoff implications.

    It was the 79th game of 2012-2013 season for the Lakers who were battling to get into the playoffs.Kobe was nearing the end of his career and this would likely be the last chance for fans to see him in the playoffs. The Lakers had acquired D Howard, so if they could just make the playoffs, the league and the networks would get a lot of viewers. All that stood in the Lakers way that night was an upstart Warriors team coached by Mark Jackson. The Warriors were going to make the playoffs that year so they were mostly playing for seeding. Anyway, to cut to the chase. The Warriors were in complete control of that game. the Lakers looked old and out of sorts. At the time I recall thinking, "The Lakers are done. The Warriors have come to play and win tonight and nothing is going to stop them." It was at that point when the whistles started coming...and coming...and coming. If you can find the local Warrior broadcast of that game, please do so. Not only will you hear incredulous announcers saying they had never seen such blatant favoritism for one team, but you will see the exasperated expressions of Warrior players and coaches as phantom call after call goes against them. 

     Now for the stats to support my claim:

    Warriors had 97 FG attempts making 46 compared to the Lakers 66 who made only 36
    Warriors were 13-16 from while the Lakers were 38-50
    Warriors were 11-26 from 3 point land Lakers 12-25
    Warriors had 44 rebounds compared to the Lakers 36
    Warriors had 15 offensive rebounds to the Lakers 3
    Warriors had 8 turnovers to the Lakers 12
    Warriors had 7 steals to the Lakers 2

    Curry led the Warriors with 47 points (9-15 from 3)
    Lakers were led by Kobe with 34

    The Warriors were leading for most of the 4th, exchanging baskets for free throws (for the Lakers). Finally, around the 3 minute mark, the Lakers catch up, then in the most bizarre ending you will ever see (with the Warriors up 116-115 with 45 seconds to play), the refs call a foul on the Warriors who fouled Dwight Howard! But instead of Howard shooting the free throws, they somehow allow Steve Blake to shoot them! Blake makes both free throws and the Lakers never trailed again (as they went up 117-116). Go watch the game if you don't believe me. The announcers were incredulous. The foul was clearly against Howard, but Blake shot the free throws!

    Lakers eventually won the game 118-116 (thanks to the refs), and in the irony of ironies, Kobe got hurt near the end of the game and missed the playoffs.

    So please, stop it with this stupid, infantile idea that officials, players and coaches (ever heard of Pete Rose) are above fixing games. Of course this does not mean every game is somehow manipulated, but some certainly are!



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    I really hope this thread, once and for all, shuts up anybody who comes in here talking about the purity of athletics in general, and the NBA specifically. Let me also say, if, by the end of this example, you agree that the following game was fixed or manipulated by the officials to insure a certain outcome, then you should also be willing to accept the fact that the very players who experience this kind of blatant fixing/cheating (where the officials of the league act with impunity) are not above doing it themselves. BTW, the example I am going to give is not the famous game 6 between the Kings and Lakers. Everybody knows about that game and has their own opinion. No, the example I am going to give is from a regular season game with playoff implications.

    It was the 79th game of 2012-2013 season for the Lakers who were battling to get into the playoffs.Kobe was nearing the end of his career and this would likely be the last chance for fans to see him in the playoffs. The Lakers had acquired D Howard, so if they could just make the playoffs, the league and the networks would get a lot of viewers. All that stood in the Lakers way that night was an upstart Warriors team coached by Mark Jackson. The Warriors were going to make the playoffs that year so they were mostly playing for seeding. Anyway, to cut to the chase. The Warriors were in complete control of that game. the Lakers looked old and out of sorts. At the time I recall thinking, "The Lakers are done. The Warriors have come to play and win tonight and nothing is going to stop them." It was at that point when the whistles started coming...and coming...and coming. If you can find the local Warrior broadcast of that game, please do so. Not only will you hear incredulous announcers saying they had never seen such blatant favoritism for one team, but you will see the exasperated expressions of Warrior players and coaches as phantom call after call goes against them. 

     Now for the stats to support my claim:

    Warriors had 97 FG attempts making 46 compared to the Lakers 66 who made only 36
    Warriors were 13-16 from while the Lakers were 38-50
    Warriors were 11-26 from 3 point land Lakers 12-25
    Warriors had 44 rebounds compared to the Lakers 36
    Warriors had 15 offensive rebounds to the Lakers 3
    Warriors had 8 turnovers to the Lakers 12
    Warriors had 7 steals to the Lakers 2

    Curry led the Warriors with 47 points (9-15 from 3)
    Lakers were led by Kobe with 34

    The Warriors were leading for most of the 4th, exchanging baskets for free throws (for the Lakers). Finally, around the 3 minute mark, the Lakers catch up, then in the most bizarre ending you will ever see (with the Warriors up 116-115 with 45 seconds to play), the refs call a foul on the Warriors who fouled Dwight Howard! But instead of Howard shooting the free throws, they somehow allow Steve Blake to shoot them! Blake makes both free throws and the Lakers never trailed again (as they went up 117-116). Go watch the game if you don't believe me. The announcers were incredulous. The foul was clearly against Howard, but Blake shot the free throws!

    Lakers eventually won the game 118-116 (thanks to the refs), and in the irony of ironies, Kobe got hurt near the end of the game and missed the playoffs.

    So please, stop it with this stupid, infantile idea that officials, players and coaches (ever heard of Pete Rose) are above fixing games. Of course this does not mean every game is somehow manipulated, but some certainly are!



     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 3:43 AM ET #2

    Correction: it was the 80th game!
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    Correction: it was the 80th game!
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 3:45 AM ET #3

    a typo above: it should say

    Warriors were 13-16 from the free throw line while the Lakers were 38-50
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    a typo above: it should say

    Warriors were 13-16 from the free throw line while the Lakers were 38-50
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 3:48 AM ET #4

    wow. big free throw discrepancy. makes you wonder sometimes..

    lets see how fixed this Cavs/Raptors game will be tommorow. all money on Cavs no doubt
    Sip on that plus money honey!
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    wow. big free throw discrepancy. makes you wonder sometimes..

    lets see how fixed this Cavs/Raptors game will be tommorow. all money on Cavs no doubt
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 3:52 AM ET #5

    I remember  that game. And the aforementioned Lakers vs. Kings games. I totally believe refs have fixed games. It's been proven. I even believe the refs fix games for league interest and not just gambling interest. The two games yoy mentioned, both featuring the Lakers, both kind of prove it. I just don't believe players fix games. Atleast not to the level that the people on this site believe it to be true. That game you mentioned was ridiculous though and it's hard to believe it wasn't fixed.
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    I remember  that game. And the aforementioned Lakers vs. Kings games. I totally believe refs have fixed games. It's been proven. I even believe the refs fix games for league interest and not just gambling interest. The two games yoy mentioned, both featuring the Lakers, both kind of prove it. I just don't believe players fix games. Atleast not to the level that the people on this site believe it to be true. That game you mentioned was ridiculous though and it's hard to believe it wasn't fixed.
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 4:00 AM ET #6

    Here is the bogus call on Curry fouling Howard...umm I mean Blake (LOL):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRumli2qLqg

    And here are all the other games the NBA had to rig for the Lakers to make the playoffs that year:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MhmGyZ7KF0
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    Here is the bogus call on Curry fouling Howard...umm I mean Blake (LOL):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRumli2qLqg

    And here are all the other games the NBA had to rig for the Lakers to make the playoffs that year:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MhmGyZ7KF0
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    I remember  that game. And the aforementioned Lakers vs. Kings games. I totally believe refs have fixed games. It's been proven. I even believe the refs fix games for league interest and not just gambling interest. The two games yoy mentioned, both featuring the Lakers, both kind of prove it. I just don't believe players fix games. Atleast not to the level that the people on this site believe it to be true. That game you mentioned was ridiculous though and it's hard to believe it wasn't fixed.

    Yup, the Warriors have come a long way, baby. But last year we got screwed again: this time by the "King." Somehow, I still don't think we get the respect. They gotta win it this year. They have to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    I remember  that game. And the aforementioned Lakers vs. Kings games. I totally believe refs have fixed games. It's been proven. I even believe the refs fix games for league interest and not just gambling interest. The two games yoy mentioned, both featuring the Lakers, both kind of prove it. I just don't believe players fix games. Atleast not to the level that the people on this site believe it to be true. That game you mentioned was ridiculous though and it's hard to believe it wasn't fixed.

    Yup, the Warriors have come a long way, baby. But last year we got screwed again: this time by the "King." Somehow, I still don't think we get the respect. They gotta win it this year. They have to.
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 4:07 AM ET #8

    Remember tbe playoff game, it might've been the Western Conference finals, involving the Blazers and the Lakers? It's sickening how many of these games involved the Lakers. F#cking Stern.
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    Remember tbe playoff game, it might've been the Western Conference finals, involving the Blazers and the Lakers? It's sickening how many of these games involved the Lakers. F#cking Stern.
     
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    Stump, here is a fixed game I actually predicted and bet on (but this was before your time on covers). It may have been my finest hour. It is the only game I have seen where LBJ was saddled by foul trouble so the other team could win.

    The titles of the thread was:  Follow The Money: Pacers vs. Heat, Game 5

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=22&sub=101896097


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    Stump, here is a fixed game I actually predicted and bet on (but this was before your time on covers). It may have been my finest hour. It is the only game I have seen where LBJ was saddled by foul trouble so the other team could win.

    The titles of the thread was:  Follow The Money: Pacers vs. Heat, Game 5

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=22&sub=101896097


     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 4:18 AM ET #10

    a 2013 game - Thunder vs (I think Grizzlies)?
    O/U was something like 203
    Score was 201 with 5 mins remaining
    Both teams failed to score a single point for the remaining 5 min

    I'm not sure which game this was but it was unreal, and a lot of mad bettors.
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    a 2013 game - Thunder vs (I think Grizzlies)?
    O/U was something like 203
    Score was 201 with 5 mins remaining
    Both teams failed to score a single point for the remaining 5 min

    I'm not sure which game this was but it was unreal, and a lot of mad bettors.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Here is the bogus call on Curry fouling Howard...umm I mean Blake (LOL):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRumli2qLqg

    And here are all the other games the NBA had to rig for the Lakers to make the playoffs that year:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MhmGyZ7KF0

    That bogus foul on Curry - while a bad call - but nothing that borders on cheating. And Blake goes to the line because Curry blocks Blake - thus impeding his path.  Look how Blake falls back a few steps.

    By comparison, look at this call against Patty Mills trying to fight thru the screen in G2.

    https://streamable.com/g7xaw

    That's a bad call by the refs.  But considering the Spurs won by 25,  I don't the refs were biased AGAINST the Spurs that game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Here is the bogus call on Curry fouling Howard...umm I mean Blake (LOL):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRumli2qLqg

    And here are all the other games the NBA had to rig for the Lakers to make the playoffs that year:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MhmGyZ7KF0

    That bogus foul on Curry - while a bad call - but nothing that borders on cheating. And Blake goes to the line because Curry blocks Blake - thus impeding his path.  Look how Blake falls back a few steps.

    By comparison, look at this call against Patty Mills trying to fight thru the screen in G2.

    https://streamable.com/g7xaw

    That's a bad call by the refs.  But considering the Spurs won by 25,  I don't the refs were biased AGAINST the Spurs that game.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Stump, here is a fixed game I actually predicted and bet on (but this was before your time on covers). It may have been my finest hour. It is the only game I have seen where LBJ was saddled by foul trouble so the other team could win.

    The titles of the thread was:  Follow The Money: Pacers vs. Heat, Game 5

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=22&sub=101896097


    Ha Ha! Great stuff! And Great cameos by Bob and Scal. Actually been on/using this site for a looooong time. Not first profile. Got booted a couple times for posting too many winners during football season. Only think I can figure. I wasn't touting, wasn't advertising or luring people to another site. Wasn't being offensive just rolling. Ancient history. Back in those days I wasn't as active in the forums and only even visited the site during footbalk season. For many years I only capped football, college football being my specialty. Then got into basketball, knew the game very well so it was an easy transition. Baseball's the new challenge as this is only my second season betting it. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Stump, here is a fixed game I actually predicted and bet on (but this was before your time on covers). It may have been my finest hour. It is the only game I have seen where LBJ was saddled by foul trouble so the other team could win.

    The titles of the thread was:  Follow The Money: Pacers vs. Heat, Game 5

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=22&sub=101896097


    Ha Ha! Great stuff! And Great cameos by Bob and Scal. Actually been on/using this site for a looooong time. Not first profile. Got booted a couple times for posting too many winners during football season. Only think I can figure. I wasn't touting, wasn't advertising or luring people to another site. Wasn't being offensive just rolling. Ancient history. Back in those days I wasn't as active in the forums and only even visited the site during footbalk season. For many years I only capped football, college football being my specialty. Then got into basketball, knew the game very well so it was an easy transition. Baseball's the new challenge as this is only my second season betting it. 
     
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    But as bettors, who cares if games are rigged. In fact, I'd prefer that games are rigged.  Because if you can predict how they're rigged you're more likely to win.
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    But as bettors, who cares if games are rigged. In fact, I'd prefer that games are rigged.  Because if you can predict how they're rigged you're more likely to win.
     
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    That bogus foul on Curry - while a bad call - but nothing that borders on cheating. And Blake goes to the line because Curry blocks Blake - thus impeding his path.  Look how Blake falls back a few steps.

    By comparison, look at this call against Patty Mills trying to fight thru the screen in G2.

    https://streamable.com/g7xaw

    That's a bad call by the refs.  But considering the Spurs won by 25,  I don't the refs were biased AGAINST the Spurs that game.
    That's one call of many. The two games BB mentioned as well as the Blazers game I mentioned are three of the worst. All involved the Lakers. I usually an against the notion that players are in on a "script" but i'll play devil's advocate and make an argument for it. If we can atleast all agree that refs fix games, and it's been proven, then if players weren't atleast aware of these goings on that would be a lot more vocal and visibly upset about getting screwed. Yet the seem to take it with relative stride. And it's not just for fear of fines.
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    That bogus foul on Curry - while a bad call - but nothing that borders on cheating. And Blake goes to the line because Curry blocks Blake - thus impeding his path.  Look how Blake falls back a few steps.

    By comparison, look at this call against Patty Mills trying to fight thru the screen in G2.

    https://streamable.com/g7xaw

    That's a bad call by the refs.  But considering the Spurs won by 25,  I don't the refs were biased AGAINST the Spurs that game.
    That's one call of many. The two games BB mentioned as well as the Blazers game I mentioned are three of the worst. All involved the Lakers. I usually an against the notion that players are in on a "script" but i'll play devil's advocate and make an argument for it. If we can atleast all agree that refs fix games, and it's been proven, then if players weren't atleast aware of these goings on that would be a lot more vocal and visibly upset about getting screwed. Yet the seem to take it with relative stride. And it's not just for fear of fines.
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 5:08 AM ET #15

    The game 6 between the Kings and Lakers was so bad that Ralph Nader wrote a letter to David Stern about it. Ralph f#cking Nader.
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    The game 6 between the Kings and Lakers was so bad that Ralph Nader wrote a letter to David Stern about it. Ralph f#cking Nader.
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 6:36 AM ET #16

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1173800-10-worst-officiated-games-in-nba-history-could-the-nba-really-be-rigged
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 6:42 AM ET #17

    https://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-nba-conspiracy-theories-2013-6
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 6:43 AM ET #18

    https://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=423832
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 6:45 AM ET #19

    Game 7, Celtics - Lakers. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5jM0aITPms

    Lakers fans would deny it till the cows come home, but you will be hard pressed to find a more one sided officiated 4th quarter.
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    Game 7, Celtics - Lakers. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5jM0aITPms

    Lakers fans would deny it till the cows come home, but you will be hard pressed to find a more one sided officiated 4th quarter.
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 6:46 AM ET #20

    https://ballislife.com/the-2001-bucks-vs-76ers-conspiracy-theory-series/
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 6:50 AM ET #21

    And people who think this is modern

    https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199306050PHO.html

    64 free throws in 1 game
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    https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199306050PHO.html

    64 free throws in 1 game
     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 6:52 AM ET #22

    https://nextimpulsesports.com/2013/06/05/flashback-the-day-phoenix-won-the-western-conference-on-64-free-throw-attempts/

    CAVS WIN THE 2017 NBA FINALS

    As it was written so shall it be done
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    CAVS WIN THE 2017 NBA FINALS

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    Posted: May. 5, 2017 - 6:57 AM ET #23

    https://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/50511/the-ghost-of-game-7
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    Yep, the problem the posters on this site continually make is to focus on the players deliberately fixing games. It won't be the players, it'll be the officials if it's anyone. Players might fcuk with spreads of their own volition (and that's what I believe, not for money but just simply something to do when games are dead from a result pov at the end), but the palpable fixes will always come down to the people who can truly control the outcome, the zebras. And of course they're not handsomely paid unlike the top players, thus unlike those top players they're susceptible to being willing to risk getting found out in return for big backhanders they could otherwise never earn legitimately in their entire lifetimes.
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    Yep, the problem the posters on this site continually make is to focus on the players deliberately fixing games. It won't be the players, it'll be the officials if it's anyone. Players might fcuk with spreads of their own volition (and that's what I believe, not for money but just simply something to do when games are dead from a result pov at the end), but the palpable fixes will always come down to the people who can truly control the outcome, the zebras. And of course they're not handsomely paid unlike the top players, thus unlike those top players they're susceptible to being willing to risk getting found out in return for big backhanders they could otherwise never earn legitimately in their entire lifetimes.
     
     
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    "That's one call of many. The two games BB mentioned as well as the Blazers game I mentioned are three of the worst. All involved the Lakers. I usually an against the notion that players are in on a "script" but i'll play devil's advocate and make an argument for it. If we can atleast all agree that refs fix games, and it's been proven, then if players weren't atleast aware of these goings on that would be a lot more vocal and visibly upset about getting screwed. Yet the seem to take it with relative stride. And it's not just for fear of fines."

    Stu, this is a very interesting point you bring up and again I would refer you back to the Warrior game against the Lakers. At some point, Warrior players and coaches realized they were getting shafted and then after every call they would just nod sarcastically and go along with the script. They knew exactly what was happening and accepted it as a part of the business they are in! I would also refer you this Dan Patrick interview with Chris Weber where Patrick asks him if he ever was involved in a fixed game or a game he thought was fixed! Just hear his reply; that will tell you all you need to know.

    https://www.nbcsports.com/video/does-chris-webber-think-he-ever-played-fixed-nba-game
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    "That's one call of many. The two games BB mentioned as well as the Blazers game I mentioned are three of the worst. All involved the Lakers. I usually an against the notion that players are in on a "script" but i'll play devil's advocate and make an argument for it. If we can atleast all agree that refs fix games, and it's been proven, then if players weren't atleast aware of these goings on that would be a lot more vocal and visibly upset about getting screwed. Yet the seem to take it with relative stride. And it's not just for fear of fines."

    Stu, this is a very interesting point you bring up and again I would refer you back to the Warrior game against the Lakers. At some point, Warrior players and coaches realized they were getting shafted and then after every call they would just nod sarcastically and go along with the script. They knew exactly what was happening and accepted it as a part of the business they are in! I would also refer you this Dan Patrick interview with Chris Weber where Patrick asks him if he ever was involved in a fixed game or a game he thought was fixed! Just hear his reply; that will tell you all you need to know.

    https://www.nbcsports.com/video/does-chris-webber-think-he-ever-played-fixed-nba-game
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