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Quote Originally Posted by benhogan76:

just when you think you have seen the biggest retard here, always someone tries to raise the bar.


Since you randomly selected an selected an older post to reply to in negative fashion to jump on the hate bandwagon, explain yourself genius. Are you saying that Pippen or Rodman were franchise players? I await your intelligent answer.
 
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Of course you are. You are doing that selectively because overall, there are many more threads on the other side than those you are talking about.



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okay,im gunna make it real simple for you cos you seem like a simple guy.
hypothetically speaking,if lebron dominated the entire series,hitting 3 game-winners and averaging 35,10 and 10 while shooting great percentages across the board.......but just about all of his team-mates under-performed and stunk up the joint and they lost the series in game 7,then how is that his fault that he's not a "great champion"???...its purely a matter of circumstance that hes not on a team thats quite good enuff or deep enuff.
see,you seem to take the attitude that about 98% of the morons round here take which is "oh,a player wins titles by himself if hes great enuff"...BOLLOCKS,absolute bollocks!!!..its a team sport,always has been,always will be and unless you are impossibly stupid you will take into account other factors and circumstances surrounding any TEAM victory/loss aside from one players output and influence.

and its awfully strange how threads like this one pop up all of a sudden after cavs surprised folks in the opening set of games...the goal-posts are being moved,the narrative being changed to set up an attack on lebron shud he not get the job done going forwards.

all of a sudden there is almost parity between the teams and cavs support cast is more than capable and you probably will suggest that warriors arent quite as good as advertised also....where-as if you wind the clock back just a week or so the whole world was saying how golden state were the greatest thing in sports history and the cavs were badly over-matched and weak as hell coming from the putrid east....so which is it and just how many times is the script gonna be flipped in order to give lebron a bad rap??


fact is lebron does NOT have a great team with him at all and yes tho it sounds horribly cliche' he definitely is elevating,inspiring and leading them to levels beyond wat their capabilities wud suggest.and i still believe,as per their achievements and all metrics/statistics that the warriors are one heck of a good team(tho their will and belief and composure will be tested now for sure).......do you agree or disagree??




A simpleton no. A simple guy yes. Why be complex when theres no need to? I will give you this sir, you are at least based on your responses clearly a fellow that can stand on his own two feet in stating your "own" opinion and bring some validity and substance to an argument, versus being some sort of fanboy bandwagon, zombie follower that just hops into conversations and mindlessly spewing negativity and empty points, rather just cosigning another posters  comments.
Now onward we have clearly had a misunderstanding in points. You have stated pretty much exactly what I believe. The only part that you're missing or failing to see from my perspective is no matter what Lebron does he will never get his just due until he wins a title in Cleveland. Fans make excuses for him, some warranted and others not. But from threads to sports news to and around the NBA community in general, Lebron took a lot of flack for going to Miami to win his championships. It was if  he had to defer in order to win. That is still the general consensus and you know it. My point is point is its time to put the excuses to the side and for Lebron to win a title in Cleveland if he is going to get true credibility as an NBA champion great. It just the way it is. Will he still have haters? Of course. But it won't matter . because he won a title on his own team.
As I said before, I am a fan of Lebron and I am definitely not a naysayer to his greatness as a basketball player. But in this world championships count and how you get them matters, in reference to your accomplishments as a player. People are talking smooth now because Lebron is in the finals and he and the Cavs tied up the series. Let the Cavs lose and see how many of these fanboys/girls turncoat and disrespect Lebron in everyway possible. Then he will be a choke artist again or overrated, Lebum, and Queen James again. Not by the haters, but by many of his fickle fans. Its time for the excuses to be put to rest and let Lebron's career play out as it will. I'm not even saying that he has to do it this season, but we all know it is expected of Lebron to win a championship for Cleveland, excuses not included.

And in regards to your last paragraph to put it simply, "yes" I do agree.

 
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Why are people even responding to this Ybet clown.... Everyone here agrees he's just another fool that's here to troll for a month or two before he gets bored and decides to be an idiot somewhere else on the Internet 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by hradekbr:

Why are people even responding to this Ybet clown.... Everyone here agrees he's just another fool that's here to troll for a month or two before he gets bored and decides to be an idiot somewhere else on the Internet 


Why so much hate towards me? Trolling is far from what I do. You say a month or two but cared to look I have been on Covers since March and am approaching 300 post, none of which are trolling. I love sports and gambling. I have an opinion and like to share it, as well as hear others opinions. What's your problem sir?
 
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A simpleton no. A simple guy yes. Why be complex when theres no need to? I will give you this sir, you are at least based on your responses clearly a fellow that can stand on his own two feet in stating your "own" opinion and bring some validity and substance to an argument, versus being some sort of fanboy bandwagon, zombie follower that just hops into conversations and mindlessly spewing negativity and empty points, rather just cosigning another posters  comments.
Now onward we have clearly had a misunderstanding in points. You have stated pretty much exactly what I believe. The only part that you're missing or failing to see from my perspective is no matter what Lebron does he will never get his just due until he wins a title in Cleveland. Fans make excuses for him, some warranted and others not. But from threads to sports news to and around the NBA community in general, Lebron took a lot of flack for going to Miami to win his championships. It was if  he had to defer in order to win. That is still the general consensus and you know it. My point is point is its time to put the excuses to the side and for Lebron to win a title in Cleveland if he is going to get true credibility as an NBA champion great. It just the way it is. Will he still have haters? Of course. But it won't matter . because he won a title on his own team.
As I said before, I am a fan of Lebron and I am definitely not a naysayer to his greatness as a basketball player. But in this world championships count and how you get them matters, in reference to your accomplishments as a player. People are talking smooth now because Lebron is in the finals and he and the Cavs tied up the series. Let the Cavs lose and see how many of these fanboys/girls turncoat and disrespect Lebron in everyway possible. Then he will be a choke artist again or overrated, Lebum, and Queen James again. Not by the haters, but by many of his fickle fans. Its time for the excuses to be put to rest and let Lebron's career play out as it will. I'm not even saying that he has to do it this season, but we all know it is expected of Lebron to win a championship for Cleveland, excuses not included.

And in regards to your last paragraph to put it simply, "yes" I do agree.



was just joking around with the simple reference,didnt infer you were a simpleton.
cant tell if you are being sarcastic or not in text obviously but if not then cheers,i try to get my point across clearly and rationally but most times it ends up like smashing your head into a brick wall and the petty insults ensue...but its good to find sumone who,unusually,can stay on topic and debate sumthing without sounding retarded or contradicting themselves.
as for lebron winning with his "own" team,well i dont really care wat the consensus view is.its a matter of perspective but as far as im concerned miami became "his" team once he got settled in there..even wade said as much after they failed in the first year,saying he had to step aside and let james take control for them to advance as a team...and thats wat happened,lebron cud not have won without wade but for that 4 year run james was undoubtedly the mvp of the team and its leader and most important player,if for no other reason than the fact he cud actually stay on the floor all year long...people can believe in fairytales all they want about it being "wades town"cos he came in first,turned them to champs and has remained his whole career..but wen a better player came to town he was smart enuff to do the deferring you were saying that lebron did.
i am honestly gob-smacked at the reaction he got for switching teams..the american media hype machine works in bizarre ways thats for damn well certain..all the guy did was choose to play for another team for christs sakes,as was his right and as hundreds of guys have done before him...now he conducted himself like a douche-bag in the process for sure but how many feckin years do people have to hold a grudge for regarding a rather arrogant press conference that he has since personally admitted fault for??

and you cant tell me that you expect the guy to have hung around cleveland another god knows how many years till he got the help needed to seriously contend,can you??..management wasnt doing enuff and frustration reached tipping point...kobe or duncan cudnt have carried that group to a title,bet your life on it...but sumhow lebron is expected to remain "loyal"(a word which has absolutely zero correlation to professional sports by the way)and just wait it out carrying a team of marginal players and scrubs on his back year after year only to flame out against more talented groups.

its just amazing how no other player in the entire league(or history of the league probably)has it held against them for not remaining with a crappy team(or average wen it came playoff time anyhow),like hes just meant to keep on giving monstrous performances while getting nothing in return in terms of coaching/players....dude made a smart choice to leave.hes rounded out his game and become tougher mentally,tho he still has his moments.and is at peace with himself and ready to take on the new challenge of winning at home.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by melossinglet:



was just joking around with the simple reference,didnt infer you were a simpleton.
cant tell if you are being sarcastic or not in text obviously but if not then cheers,i try to get my point across clearly and rationally but most times it ends up like smashing your head into a brick wall and the petty insults ensue...but its good to find sumone who,unusually,can stay on topic and debate sumthing without sounding retarded or contradicting themselves.
as for lebron winning with his "own" team,well i dont really care wat the consensus view is.its a matter of perspective but as far as im concerned miami became "his" team once he got settled in there..even wade said as much after they failed in the first year,saying he had to step aside and let james take control for them to advance as a team...and thats wat happened,lebron cud not have won without wade but for that 4 year run james was undoubtedly the mvp of the team and its leader and most important player,if for no other reason than the fact he cud actually stay on the floor all year long...people can believe in fairytales all they want about it being "wades town"cos he came in first,turned them to champs and has remained his whole career..but wen a better player came to town he was smart enuff to do the deferring you were saying that lebron did.
i am honestly gob-smacked at the reaction he got for switching teams..the american media hype machine works in bizarre ways thats for damn well certain..all the guy did was choose to play for another team for christs sakes,as was his right and as hundreds of guys have done before him...now he conducted himself like a douche-bag in the process for sure but how many feckin years do people have to hold a grudge for regarding a rather arrogant press conference that he has since personally admitted fault for??

and you cant tell me that you expect the guy to have hung around cleveland another god knows how many years till he got the help needed to seriously contend,can you??..management wasnt doing enuff and frustration reached tipping point...kobe or duncan cudnt have carried that group to a title,bet your life on it...but sumhow lebron is expected to remain "loyal"(a word which has absolutely zero correlation to professional sports by the way)and just wait it out carrying a team of marginal players and scrubs on his back year after year only to flame out against more talented groups.

its just amazing how no other player in the entire league(or history of the league probably)has it held against them for not remaining with a crappy team(or average wen it came playoff time anyhow),like hes just meant to keep on giving monstrous performances while getting nothing in return in terms of coaching/players....dude made a smart choice to leave.hes rounded out his game and become tougher mentally,tho he still has his moments.and is at peace with himself and ready to take on the new challenge of winning at home.


I agree that Miami became Lebrons team once DWade deferred to him. That was because in big moments Lebron was deferring to Wade. So that showed alot of experience and maturity and unselfishness on Wades part. I can see your point of view on Lebron's right to make the move to Miami. He put himself first, which may look selfish but he did it and came out a two time champion because of it. Many of his critics probably woud have done the exact same thing in his shoes but that's not the way the world works and they would never admit it.
 
You or I may not care about any general consensus on a personal level. That's because we seem to have some rigidness in our backbone that allows us to express our own opinions as "individuals", instead of some type of cult members. This does not change the fact that it is the way it is, and that is the way its going to be. Lebron will always catch crap, until he wins one for Cleveland. I realize Lebron's circumstances, but just like everything in life, we all have reasons, or excuses of why we didn't or couldn't accomplish something. When its all said and done, thats not what anyone wants to hear. Its either you got it done or you didn't.

Lebron surely has moments that bring back sickening flashes from the past (saw some in game two) but he has definitely evolved into a more seasoned vet. I like the challenges presented in front of him. He needs to take his tougher mentality, and development as a player, and just go play. In the end X out the excuses. Just win or lose. If its a loss; dust off and come back even stronger. If its a win; undeniably incredible job.

In reference to an "outlier" that you mentioned. I have personally read  the book "Outliers", and agree with it on many levels. I believe in natural born talents abilities, and physical gifts. However I also hold in high regard, motivation, repetition, work ethic, over a certain time frame that forms a path of accomplished goals and takes an individual to new heights. Hard work, dedication, and the will to win. Close to anything is possible in this world. The Cavs are an NBA franchise and Lebron is one of the best players to ever step on the court. Nothing is impossible. The Warriors are the better team but who cares? Let's see if "Lebron's Cavs" can get it done. Again if not, take the "L" like a man and come back strong next season. We can't let excuses and failures define us in life. We all have them. Especially those of us involved in sports betting, lol.

The types of challenges the Lebron is facing is what is career defining and his success int these types of situations would be legendary. I think GSW takes the series, but if the Cavs win it all. Lebron surely deserves every single bit of credit he receives as a Nba championship all time great. No doubt. No excuses.
 
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If your the self proclaimed king then why do you need to take your talents to south beach...I don't respect his Miami rings...winning championships is about believing in your team owner/coach/teammates/city and sticking it out through adversity. Lebron simply didn't do that he took the easy way out...no doubt he's a great player but I question his mental toughness...and hate his arroganance (not 4, not 5, not 6 )
 
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My problem with LeBron is that he cries to officials way too much.  This is a guy who's getting a majority of the calls compared to other players.  He should just let his numbers do the talking and not even complain unless it's something egregious.  It's the attitude.  He acts like a humble guy in interviews but on the court takes on the demeanor of someone being petulant.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by dimeplayer68:

That Australian "midget" is pretty good

No. He's great. All of a sudden, he's Michael Cooper........

Pay no attention that he went 1/6 on 3s, had ONE assist, and SIX turnovers...............................the fact is, he won the damn game.

Of course, if, big, fat Mo Buckets, can make a dunk, Warriors lead 2-0, but, let's focus on the guy that is soooooooo good on defense, he played nine f'n minutes in game one....................
 
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The so called "Australian Midget" won game two at the end for the Cavs and is shutting Curry down defensively and smashing the Warriors offensively.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by joshchs77:

If your the self proclaimed king then why do you need to take your talents to south beach...I don't respect his Miami rings...winning championships is about believing in your team owner/coach/teammates/city and sticking it out through adversity. Lebron simply didn't do that he took the easy way out...no doubt he's a great player but I question his mental toughness...and hate his arroganance (not 4, not 5, not 6 )



you sound like an idiot who refuses to take all factors into account and instead just focus on the one silly mantra borne of tunnel vision and fueled by the equally moronic media-"if lebrons the king he shud be able to win with anyone!!!!"...gtfoh with that rubbish...no-one in history except maybe jordan cud have taken any of those cavs teams to a title...NO-ONE wins alone,despite wat espn tries to tell you in hyping up their heroes for you to drool over.....everyone needs help of sum kind end of story.

and try not to blow everything out of proportion...yea,lebron was a douche-bag saying that,but he clearly wasnt 100% serious and that was like 5 feckin years ago now!!..how long you gunna hold sumthing against a dude??
 
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Quote Originally Posted by joshchs77:

If your the self proclaimed king then why do you need to take
your talents to south beach...I don't respect his Miami rings...winning championships is about believing in your team owner/coach/teammates/city and sticking it out through adversity. Lebron simply didn't do that he took the easy way out...no doubt he's a great player but I question his mental toughness...and hate his arroganance (not 4, not 5, not 6 )
you sound like an idiot who refuses to take all factors into account and instead just focus on the one silly mantra borne of tunnel vision and fueled by the equally moronic media-"if lebrons the king he shud be able to win with anyone!!!!"...gtfoh with that rubbish...no-one in history except maybe jordan cud have taken any of those cavs teams to a title...NO-ONE wins alone,despite wat espn tries to tell you in hyping up their heroes for you to drool over.....everyone needs help of sum kind end of story.and try not to blow everything out of proportion...yea,lebron was a douche-bag saying that,but he clearly wasnt 100% serious and that was like 5 feckin years ago now!!..how long you gunna hold sumthing against a dude??


I'm not saying he could do it alone but as a SELF Proclaimed king the talent should come to you not the other way around...also you should believe in your owner and coach to put quality players around you, not run off with two of the best players in your draft class...that's weak
 
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Magic Johnson and Jordan supporting cast was so much better.....LeBron is asked to do more than any other player in NBA history he's asked to be the leader, lead the team in points rebounds assist he also has to coach the team he has to keep Jr Smith in line that means he's babysitting....??
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Quote Originally Posted by jdukes0004:

Magic Johnson and Jordan supporting cast was so much better.....LeBron is asked to do more than any other player in NBA history he's asked to be the leader, lead the team in points rebounds assist he also has to coach the team he has to keep Jr Smith in line that means he's babysitting....??


Yeah and the opponents they were playing were so much better.
 
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Although this may make my eat my words about believing the Warriors would win the series, as I said before the Cavs have a definite chance to win the whole thing. Lebron and the Cavs are playing with all the intensity that they can and they are winning crucial games. This is what I spoke of about the will to win.  That is what I like to see out of people. Rising to the occasion against adversity and beating the odds. Dellavedova is a perfect example of the in this series. It would be nice to see some Warriors diving for loose balls like Matt "the midget". They could learn a few things from him. Primadonna's that can't dirty up their jerseys, don't win championships.
 
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lebron too good.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by joshchs77:

you sound like an idiot who refuses to take all factors into account and instead just focus on the one silly mantra borne of tunnel vision and fueled by the equally moronic media-"if lebrons the king he shud be able to win with anyone!!!!"...gtfoh with that rubbish...no-one in history except maybe jordan cud have taken any of those cavs teams to a title...NO-ONE wins alone,despite wat espn tries to tell you in hyping up their heroes for you to drool over.....everyone needs help of sum kind end of story.and try not to blow everything out of proportion...yea,lebron was a douche-bag saying that,but he clearly wasnt 100% serious and that was like 5 feckin years ago now!!..how long you gunna hold sumthing against a dude??

I'm not saying he could do it alone but as a SELF Proclaimed king the talent should come to you not the other way around...also you should believe in your owner and coach to put quality players around you, not run off with two of the best players in your draft class...that's weak

seriously,how long you want the dude to wait??he been in the league 7 frickin years and management were never able to surround him with championship level supporting cast...name ONE single all-star in his prime that played alongside lebron in his first go around with the cavs...it wasnt working so he moved on to play with like-minded guys that he knew wudnt shrivel on the big stage...look at the numbers he used to put up and the performances he gave in cleveland,if that wasnt enuff then surely it suggests to you that others werent quite lifting their weight,not by a long shot...wat more was the guy supposed to do to carry those scrubs to a title??how exactly do you propose that that happen??already putting up video-game numbers and still coming up well short,you want him to be super-human??
switching teams to be playing with quality players is weak??huh??....wanting to compete with the best against the best is wat its all about,isnt it??...didnt magic,bird,jordan(in his second run),duncan,kobe all play alongside quality players(all-stars,elite talent and great role players)???...its purely a matter of good fortune and circumstance that they were surrounded by that talent either early in their careers or mid-way...so,its lebrons fault he was surrounded by trash year in year out and had to go another route???
 
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I agree that Miami became Lebrons team once DWade deferred to him. That was because in big moments Lebron was deferring to Wade. So that showed alot of experience and maturity and unselfishness on Wades part. I can see your point of view on Lebron's right to make the move to Miami. He put himself first, which may look selfish but he did it and came out a two time champion because of it. Many of his critics probably woud have done the exact same thing in his shoes but that's not the way the world works and they would never admit it.
 
You or I may not care about any general consensus on a personal level. That's because we seem to have some rigidness in our backbone that allows us to express our own opinions as "individuals", instead of some type of cult members. This does not change the fact that it is the way it is, and that is the way its going to be. Lebron will always catch crap, until he wins one for Cleveland. I realize Lebron's circumstances, but just like everything in life, we all have reasons, or excuses of why we didn't or couldn't accomplish something. When its all said and done, thats not what anyone wants to hear. Its either you got it done or you didn't.

Lebron surely has moments that bring back sickening flashes from the past (saw some in game two) but he has definitely evolved into a more seasoned vet. I like the challenges presented in front of him. He needs to take his tougher mentality, and development as a player, and just go play. In the end X out the excuses. Just win or lose. If its a loss; dust off and come back even stronger. If its a win; undeniably incredible job.

In reference to an "outlier" that you mentioned. I have personally read  the book "Outliers", and agree with it on many levels. I believe in natural born talents abilities, and physical gifts. However I also hold in high regard, motivation, repetition, work ethic, over a certain time frame that forms a path of accomplished goals and takes an individual to new heights. Hard work, dedication, and the will to win. Close to anything is possible in this world. The Cavs are an NBA franchise and Lebron is one of the best players to ever step on the court. Nothing is impossible. The Warriors are the better team but who cares? Let's see if "Lebron's Cavs" can get it done. Again if not, take the "L" like a man and come back strong next season. We can't let excuses and failures define us in life. We all have them. Especially those of us involved in sports betting, lol.

The types of challenges the Lebron is facing is what is career defining and his success int these types of situations would be legendary. I think GSW takes the series, but if the Cavs win it all. Lebron surely deserves every single bit of credit he receives as a Nba championship all time great. No doubt. No excuses.


 
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Yeah and the opponents they were playing were so much better.


it goes without saying this is highly subjective and many wud vehemently disagree...firstly,the game evolves at a fairly rapid rate and there is little doubt the current athletes wud run rings around those from 25+years ago and training,scouting,rehabilitation methods are far superior now,plus under whose rules wud the hypothetical games be played??...the spurs teams lebron played were amongst the greatest of the past few decades and i have no doubt watsoever they wud give old 80s celtics and pistons teams all they cud handle and definitely wud beat jazz,sonics,blazers etc from jordan era......and just prior to wat appears to be a mini-meltdown by this warriors squad we had every analytics guy on the planet tryna tell us that they are one of the top teams of all time also....so thats highly questionable that those guys faced tougher competition.
 
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seriously,how long you want the dude to wait??he been in the league 7 frickin years and management were never able to surround him with championship level supporting cast...name ONE single all-star in his prime that played alongside lebron in his first go around with the cavs...it wasnt working so he moved on to play with like-minded guys that he knew wudnt shrivel on the big stage...look at the numbers he used to put up and the performances he gave in cleveland,if that wasnt enuff then surely it suggests to you that others werent quite lifting their weight,not by a long shot...wat more was the guy supposed to do to carry those scrubs to a title??how exactly do you propose that that happen??already putting up video-game numbers and still coming up well short,you want him to be super-human??
switching teams to be playing with quality players is weak??huh??....wanting to compete with the best against the best is wat its all about,isnt it??...didnt magic,bird,jordan(in his second run),duncan,kobe all play alongside quality players(all-stars,elite talent and great role players)???...its purely a matter of good fortune and circumstance that they were surrounded by that talent either early in their careers or mid-way...so,its lebrons fault he was surrounded by trash year in year out and had to go another route???

Yes its weak. the talent should come to you if anything. Lebron should want to beat the best not playing with them....Kobe would have figured out a way to get it done cus he has killer instinct. Lebron is a fuckboy. i cant respect his miami rings sorry 

 
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Quote Originally Posted by ybet:

So answer this question everyone? Is Lebron's team good enough to help him win now? It sure doesn't look like he's doing it all by himself.

He's basically averaging a triple double in the finals you jerk off.  But yea his team is filled with hall of famers BAHAHAHAHA!!!! 
  
 
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He's basically averaging a triple double in the finals you jerk off.  But yea his team is filled with hall of famers BAHAHAHAHA!!!! 
  


Wow, now this is a perfect example of trolling. You stalked a post by me from three days ago, just to go out of your way to spew some lame insult at me? Weak sir, very weak, and weird. Since you took the time to go back three days ago to review my post, it would have made sense for you to read it correctly. I never implied, as your sarcasm did, that Lebron was playing with hall of famers. My point was that he had a team good enough to help him win. Yes, Lebron is playing great basketball, but a triple double, which including assist in the stats, would indicated that someone was making baskets off of Lebron's passes, smart guy.
 
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Posted: #74
Quote Originally Posted by ybet:



Wow, now this is a perfect example of trolling. You stalked a post by me from three days ago, just to go out of your way to spew some lame insult at me? Weak sir, very weak, and weird. Since you took the time to go back three days ago to review my post, it would have made sense for you to read it correctly. I never implied, as your sarcasm did, that Lebron was playing with hall of famers. My point was that he had a team good enough to help him win. Yes, Lebron is playing great basketball, but a triple double, which including assist in the stats, would indicated that someone was making baskets off of Lebron's passes, smart guy.

Not trolling at all you idiot.  I happen to enjoy reading peoples opinions on here.  And I am not saying people aren't making shots for him to get assists.  He also rebounds too "smart guy".  Your a typical Lebron hater its obvious.  You clearly are a Kobe guy and the two sides will never agree.  Kobe does have killer instinct I 100% agree with you on that.  He also has had the luxury of playing on much better teams with much better coaching.  These are all facts.  And I am also so sick of people comparing Kobe to Lebron, they play two different positions.  Lebron is a more well rounded basketball player, he does it all.  Blocks, steals, rebounds, PASSES the ball and can run point.  Kobe will always be one of the greats but lets just give Lebron the respect he deserves.  Im not sure how old you are but I grew up watching Jordan, Bird, Magic etc.  I have NEVER seen a team do what they are doing in these finals and Lebron is the reason why. Period.  
 
 
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Posted: #75
Quote Originally Posted by joshchs77:

Yes its weak. the talent should come to you if anything. Lebron should want to beat the best not playing with them....Kobe would have figured out a way to get it done cus he has killer instinct. Lebron is a fuckboy. i cant respect his miami rings sorry 


If you cant respect Lebrons rings then how can you respect Kobes first 3?  He couldnt even make the finals until Shaq arrived.  He also couldnt manage one finals MVP until Shaq left.  Not to mention he was drafted by Charlotte but cried his way to LA because he couldnt handle going to a terrible franchise. Explain that one genius.  You are one giant contradiction.  
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