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    Pocono Discussion (The Most Boring Race Twice a Year)

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    PennStateMan077
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    Posted: May. 31, 2010 - 10:59 AM ET #1

    Smoke dominated the summer race
    Hamlin won the Fall one

    Denny has always been get here with an 9.5 Average Finish Here
    8 races, 3 wins, 5 top fives, 6 top tens.
    In the summer race his car never started I remember that distinctly because I had denny in the survivor 

    ALL HMS/SHR cars should be the plays along with Denny
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    Smoke dominated the summer race
    Hamlin won the Fall one

    Denny has always been get here with an 9.5 Average Finish Here
    8 races, 3 wins, 5 top fives, 6 top tens.
    In the summer race his car never started I remember that distinctly because I had denny in the survivor 

    ALL HMS/SHR cars should be the plays along with Denny
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2010 - 12:58 PM ET #2

    TNT                                                                                   

     

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    TNT                                                                                   

     

     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2010 - 6:35 PM ET #3

    Agreed with both points. This race is a good excuse for a nap (the second time is even better), and Hamlin should be a top contender this week.
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    Agreed with both points. This race is a good excuse for a nap (the second time is even better), and Hamlin should be a top contender this week.
     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2010 - 11:15 PM ET #4

    Freamer,

    he'll be a contender if his car starts up

    art-forst,

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    Freamer,

    he'll be a contender if his car starts up

    art-forst,

     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2010 - 11:46 PM ET #5

    Everyone complains about too many cookie cutters, but then they complain about going to Pocono---the most unique track on the circuit.

    I love Pocono. Three unique corners where which nobody can get their car set up perfectly.

    I think JPM is a threat to finally win an an oval... err... triangle.
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    Everyone complains about too many cookie cutters, but then they complain about going to Pocono---the most unique track on the circuit.

    I love Pocono. Three unique corners where which nobody can get their car set up perfectly.

    I think JPM is a threat to finally win an an oval... err... triangle.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2010 - 12:47 AM ET #6

    I will stay on the fade JPM train till he finally finishes a race where he should.

    I just dont like theres nothing going on the track really. No passing and what not...

    Plus the stands and shit are terrible to watch.

    I've heard great things about the parties on the infield though
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    I will stay on the fade JPM train till he finally finishes a race where he should.

    I just dont like theres nothing going on the track really. No passing and what not...

    Plus the stands and shit are terrible to watch.

    I've heard great things about the parties on the infield though
     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2010 - 8:45 AM ET #7

    I will definately be on Juan again this week....he burned me last week, but it wasnt' because he had a bad car, just forgot how to drive it. He has been very good here before, and I agree with yourpix, as this may be the week he finally wins on something other than a road coarse.
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    I will definately be on Juan again this week....he burned me last week, but it wasnt' because he had a bad car, just forgot how to drive it. He has been very good here before, and I agree with yourpix, as this may be the week he finally wins on something other than a road coarse.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2010 - 9:03 AM ET #8

    I will see what JPM looks like in practice and qualifying before I put any hard earned money on him
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    I will see what JPM looks like in practice and qualifying before I put any hard earned money on him
     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2010 - 10:15 AM ET #9

    Not a fan of Pocono races.I do not think think they deserve 2 races there.

     

    Plus it signals start of TNT TV coverage which is god awful

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    Not a fan of Pocono races.I do not think think they deserve 2 races there.

     

    Plus it signals start of TNT TV coverage which is god awful

     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2010 - 10:55 AM ET #10

    Vegas,

    100% agree with both statements

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    Vegas,

    100% agree with both statements

     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2010 - 3:45 PM ET #11

    I'm biased though I think they should lose a race and Vegas get a 2nd race
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    I'm biased though I think they should lose a race and Vegas get a 2nd race
     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2010 - 6:43 PM ET #12

    Used to go to Pocono every year, my 1st race ever was way back when Davey Allison barrel rolled 8 x's coming out of the tunnel turn...Pocono is an awesome race to go to and party in the infield....the place is legendery....but to sit in the grandstands and watch a race there....god awful. Actually heading up there next week, so will miss the race by a week, wouldn't have gone anyways, but would have probably headed over for some of the practices and Qualfifying on Friday with the kids. Might want to keep an eye out for newman also, he has typically run very well here over the years.
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    Used to go to Pocono every year, my 1st race ever was way back when Davey Allison barrel rolled 8 x's coming out of the tunnel turn...Pocono is an awesome race to go to and party in the infield....the place is legendery....but to sit in the grandstands and watch a race there....god awful. Actually heading up there next week, so will miss the race by a week, wouldn't have gone anyways, but would have probably headed over for some of the practices and Qualfifying on Friday with the kids. Might want to keep an eye out for newman also, he has typically run very well here over the years.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2010 - 7:42 PM ET #13

    I agree on the Montoya deal.  2nd and 8th here last year and i base Indy off this track and he had this race yarded.  I also think Martin is going to be strong and he needs to win one of these racees before he retires.  Denny will be a usual suspect as well as JJ, Tony and Cousin Carl.  We haven't had a fuel mileage race yet this year but expect to get one in the next 2 weeks.
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    I agree on the Montoya deal.  2nd and 8th here last year and i base Indy off this track and he had this race yarded.  I also think Martin is going to be strong and he needs to win one of these racees before he retires.  Denny will be a usual suspect as well as JJ, Tony and Cousin Carl.  We haven't had a fuel mileage race yet this year but expect to get one in the next 2 weeks.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 1, 2010 - 7:50 PM ET #14

    Guys, with all due respect, how can you keep betting on Montoya? He hasn't even come close this year. He had a nice season last year, but even when he was running at the top of his game, he couldn't seal the deal. I know he's still had a fast car several times, but his races have been shit. Wait 'til he wins one, and you'll save yourself a lot of money & aggravation IMO.  Even though I'm still pissed at Denny, he's gotta be the fave here, and if he opens at anything near 7-1 or higher, I'll probably jump right on it. I actually like McMurray's chances though. Montoya's teammate is the one we need to be looking at.  I'm curious to see his odds. He had a great car last week, he's dominated the super speedways. I know Pocono's different, but it still has long straighaways where power's a premium. He's been good on flat tracks. I remember being surprised how good his history was at martinsville. I think he could be a real contender this week. Other than them, Kyle Busch, Kurt Busch, Jeff Burton maybe.

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    Guys, with all due respect, how can you keep betting on Montoya? He hasn't even come close this year. He had a nice season last year, but even when he was running at the top of his game, he couldn't seal the deal. I know he's still had a fast car several times, but his races have been shit. Wait 'til he wins one, and you'll save yourself a lot of money & aggravation IMO.  Even though I'm still pissed at Denny, he's gotta be the fave here, and if he opens at anything near 7-1 or higher, I'll probably jump right on it. I actually like McMurray's chances though. Montoya's teammate is the one we need to be looking at.  I'm curious to see his odds. He had a great car last week, he's dominated the super speedways. I know Pocono's different, but it still has long straighaways where power's a premium. He's been good on flat tracks. I remember being surprised how good his history was at martinsville. I think he could be a real contender this week. Other than them, Kyle Busch, Kurt Busch, Jeff Burton maybe.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2010 - 12:40 AM ET #15

     been 2 pocono twice gordon 07 in rain (106 laps)  and smokes win last yr..  used 2 hate the track until i went and now its 1 of my favorites where else do u get 5 wide coming down the frontstretch???  it does get lots of longggg green runs but thats racing at its best...  crew chief earns his paycheck @ pocono...        tnt sucks!!!!!    if ur looking 4 the winner make sure  u r playing some1 that has won here b4  if u look at pocono over the yrs  very few drivers have been good there...    besides kahne and newman   there arent any drivers in the race who have won there just 1nce   2,14,48,99 have 2 wins a piece  11 and 71 have 3 dont think the 71 will get # 4 on sun.   24 has 4 three coming in the 90's          best of luck 2 all
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     been 2 pocono twice gordon 07 in rain (106 laps)  and smokes win last yr..  used 2 hate the track until i went and now its 1 of my favorites where else do u get 5 wide coming down the frontstretch???  it does get lots of longggg green runs but thats racing at its best...  crew chief earns his paycheck @ pocono...        tnt sucks!!!!!    if ur looking 4 the winner make sure  u r playing some1 that has won here b4  if u look at pocono over the yrs  very few drivers have been good there...    besides kahne and newman   there arent any drivers in the race who have won there just 1nce   2,14,48,99 have 2 wins a piece  11 and 71 have 3 dont think the 71 will get # 4 on sun.   24 has 4 three coming in the 90's          best of luck 2 all
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2010 - 12:53 AM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by DRocNJ:

    Guys, with all due respect, how can you keep betting on Montoya? He hasn't even come close this year. He had a nice season last year, but even when he was running at the top of his game, he couldn't seal the deal. I know he's still had a fast car several times, but his races have been shit. Wait 'til he wins one, and you'll save yourself a lot of money & aggravation IMO.  Even though I'm still pissed at Denny, he's gotta be the fave here, and if he opens at anything near 7-1 or higher, I'll probably jump right on it. I actually like McMurray's chances though. Montoya's teammate is the one we need to be looking at.  I'm curious to see his odds. He had a great car last week, he's dominated the super speedways. I know Pocono's different, but it still has long straighaways where power's a premium. He's been good on flat tracks. I remember being surprised how good his history was at martinsville. I think he could be a real contender this week. Other than them, Kyle Busch, Kurt Busch, Jeff Burton maybe.

      hamlin will b no better then 6-1 anywhere     the greek has mcmurray as the field 20-1???  figure 5dimes will b 25 or 30 to 1..   stay away from 18 he hates this track and has never figured it out look at his past here..   kurt has been very good over the yrs..     dont think he will win but a smart play @ 100 or 150 to 1  is hornish  two top 10's last yr 4th and 10th!!!     ill pass on juan myself   like the 14 and 39..    best of luck DRocNJ 
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRocNJ:

    Guys, with all due respect, how can you keep betting on Montoya? He hasn't even come close this year. He had a nice season last year, but even when he was running at the top of his game, he couldn't seal the deal. I know he's still had a fast car several times, but his races have been shit. Wait 'til he wins one, and you'll save yourself a lot of money & aggravation IMO.  Even though I'm still pissed at Denny, he's gotta be the fave here, and if he opens at anything near 7-1 or higher, I'll probably jump right on it. I actually like McMurray's chances though. Montoya's teammate is the one we need to be looking at.  I'm curious to see his odds. He had a great car last week, he's dominated the super speedways. I know Pocono's different, but it still has long straighaways where power's a premium. He's been good on flat tracks. I remember being surprised how good his history was at martinsville. I think he could be a real contender this week. Other than them, Kyle Busch, Kurt Busch, Jeff Burton maybe.

      hamlin will b no better then 6-1 anywhere     the greek has mcmurray as the field 20-1???  figure 5dimes will b 25 or 30 to 1..   stay away from 18 he hates this track and has never figured it out look at his past here..   kurt has been very good over the yrs..     dont think he will win but a smart play @ 100 or 150 to 1  is hornish  two top 10's last yr 4th and 10th!!!     ill pass on juan myself   like the 14 and 39..    best of luck DRocNJ 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2010 - 8:42 AM ET #17

    Hornish has run well here, good pt stats....Hamlin should be the fav. once the lines are out for sure.  We are certainly due for  a fuel mileage race, and this is the place for it to happen....so don't be surprised when someone runs top 3 all day, and ends up finishing outside the top 10....will probably happen this weekend.
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    Hornish has run well here, good pt stats....Hamlin should be the fav. once the lines are out for sure.  We are certainly due for  a fuel mileage race, and this is the place for it to happen....so don't be surprised when someone runs top 3 all day, and ends up finishing outside the top 10....will probably happen this weekend.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2010 - 10:34 AM ET #18

    lets try this again as did not post correctly before odds from thegreek

     

    101 Jimmie Johnson      +500    
    102 Denny Hamlin      +500    
    103 Jeff Gordon      +800    
    104 Kyle Busch      +800    
    105 Kurt Busch      +800    
    106 Tony Stewart      +1500    
    107 Mark Martin      +1500    
    108 Kevin Harvick      +1800    
    109 Jeff Burton      +1800    
    110 Matt Kenseth      +2000    
    111 Carl Edwards      +2000    
    112 Greg Biffle      +2000    
    113 Clint Bowyer      +2000    
    114 Kasey Kahne      +2000    
    115 Ryan Newman      +2500    
    116 Martin Truex Jr      +3500    
    117 Juan Montoya      +1800    
    118 Dale Earnhardt Jr      +4000    
    119 Joey Logano      +2500    
    120 David Reutimann      +4000    
    121 Field      +2000 

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    lets try this again as did not post correctly before odds from thegreek

     

    101 Jimmie Johnson      +500    
    102 Denny Hamlin      +500    
    103 Jeff Gordon      +800    
    104 Kyle Busch      +800    
    105 Kurt Busch      +800    
    106 Tony Stewart      +1500    
    107 Mark Martin      +1500    
    108 Kevin Harvick      +1800    
    109 Jeff Burton      +1800    
    110 Matt Kenseth      +2000    
    111 Carl Edwards      +2000    
    112 Greg Biffle      +2000    
    113 Clint Bowyer      +2000    
    114 Kasey Kahne      +2000    
    115 Ryan Newman      +2500    
    116 Martin Truex Jr      +3500    
    117 Juan Montoya      +1800    
    118 Dale Earnhardt Jr      +4000    
    119 Joey Logano      +2500    
    120 David Reutimann      +4000    
    121 Field      +2000 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2010 - 10:55 AM ET #19

    definately surprised to see McMurray unlisted. still waiting for my local's lines. looking at those odds, the field is the only thing I see worth taking before practice, possibly Kasey Kahne at 20-1. He's had some fast cars lately, and this is one of his better tracks. His team's been making a lot of mistakes though. good value on the Childress cars, but I'll probably be waiting until practice this week. I don't see much value in grabbing Denny before they unload. Hope I get odds for the #1.

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    definately surprised to see McMurray unlisted. still waiting for my local's lines. looking at those odds, the field is the only thing I see worth taking before practice, possibly Kasey Kahne at 20-1. He's had some fast cars lately, and this is one of his better tracks. His team's been making a lot of mistakes though. good value on the Childress cars, but I'll probably be waiting until practice this week. I don't see much value in grabbing Denny before they unload. Hope I get odds for the #1.

     
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    J.J. @ +500 and Kyle @ +800 is laughable   ....anyone who would make those plays are out of their mind.....Kyle sucks ass here(21.4 avg finish and 1 top 5 since 2005) , I will fade him again this week, and Johnson has never been that dominate here either, with a best finish of 3rd.

    Kahne somewhat interestes me @ +2000......Think this may be the week we finally see a Ford in V lane....so Edwards @ +2000 is probaby worth a play too.

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    J.J. @ +500 and Kyle @ +800 is laughable   ....anyone who would make those plays are out of their mind.....Kyle sucks ass here(21.4 avg finish and 1 top 5 since 2005) , I will fade him again this week, and Johnson has never been that dominate here either, with a best finish of 3rd.

    Kahne somewhat interestes me @ +2000......Think this may be the week we finally see a Ford in V lane....so Edwards @ +2000 is probaby worth a play too.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by madshooter72:

    J.J. @ +500 and Kyle @ +800 is laughable   ....anyone who would make those plays are out of their mind.....Kyle sucks ass here(21.4 avg finish and 1 top 5 since 2005) , I will fade him again this week, and Johnson has never been that dominate here either, with a best finish of 3rd.

    Kahne somewhat interestes me @ +2000......Think this may be the week we finally see a Ford in V lane....so Edwards @ +2000 is probaby worth a play too.

     

    either a ford win or a Jr fuel mileage win

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    Quote Originally Posted by madshooter72:

    J.J. @ +500 and Kyle @ +800 is laughable   ....anyone who would make those plays are out of their mind.....Kyle sucks ass here(21.4 avg finish and 1 top 5 since 2005) , I will fade him again this week, and Johnson has never been that dominate here either, with a best finish of 3rd.

    Kahne somewhat interestes me @ +2000......Think this may be the week we finally see a Ford in V lane....so Edwards @ +2000 is probaby worth a play too.

     

    either a ford win or a Jr fuel mileage win

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by madshooter72:

    J.J. @ +500 and Kyle @ +800 is laughable   ....anyone who would make those plays are out of their mind.....Kyle sucks ass here(21.4 avg finish and 1 top 5 since 2005) , I will fade him again this week, and Johnson has never been that dominate here either, with a best finish of 3rd.

    Kahne somewhat interestes me @ +2000......Think this may be the week we finally see a Ford in V lane....so Edwards @ +2000 is probaby worth a play too.

      jimmy swept here in 04        14 and 39 have decent value here... 
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    Quote Originally Posted by madshooter72:

    J.J. @ +500 and Kyle @ +800 is laughable   ....anyone who would make those plays are out of their mind.....Kyle sucks ass here(21.4 avg finish and 1 top 5 since 2005) , I will fade him again this week, and Johnson has never been that dominate here either, with a best finish of 3rd.

    Kahne somewhat interestes me @ +2000......Think this may be the week we finally see a Ford in V lane....so Edwards @ +2000 is probaby worth a play too.

      jimmy swept here in 04        14 and 39 have decent value here... 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2010 - 3:16 PM ET #23

    Kyle Busch will not be racing in Nashville this weekend, so I think that will help his Pocono performance greatly. He tends to put too much on his plate for Pocono weekend, and he performs terribly here. A focused Kyle Busch may be tough to deal with.

    I took Denny at 5-1 b/c that is only going to go down.

    Kurt B is worth a look because he is on fire right now and performs well at the track.

    It's June now, so that means Tony Stewart will start racing well. 15/1 is always worth a look with him.

    My darkhorse is Kenseth

    Just my 2 cents

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    Kyle Busch will not be racing in Nashville this weekend, so I think that will help his Pocono performance greatly. He tends to put too much on his plate for Pocono weekend, and he performs terribly here. A focused Kyle Busch may be tough to deal with.

    I took Denny at 5-1 b/c that is only going to go down.

    Kurt B is worth a look because he is on fire right now and performs well at the track.

    It's June now, so that means Tony Stewart will start racing well. 15/1 is always worth a look with him.

    My darkhorse is Kenseth

    Just my 2 cents

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greedybastard:

    Kyle Busch will not be racing in Nashville this weekend, so I think that will help his Pocono performance greatly. He tends to put too much on his plate for Pocono weekend, and he performs terribly here. A focused Kyle Busch may be tough to deal with.

    I took Denny at 5-1 b/c that is only going to go down.

    Kurt B is worth a look because he is on fire right now and performs well at the track.

    It's June now, so that means Tony Stewart will start racing well. 15/1 is always worth a look with him.

    My darkhorse is Kenseth

    Just my 2 cents

    I agree not doing the travel to nationwide race will help Kyle.Still don't understand why Edwards is intent on  running the full nationwide schedule

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greedybastard:

    Kyle Busch will not be racing in Nashville this weekend, so I think that will help his Pocono performance greatly. He tends to put too much on his plate for Pocono weekend, and he performs terribly here. A focused Kyle Busch may be tough to deal with.

    I took Denny at 5-1 b/c that is only going to go down.

    Kurt B is worth a look because he is on fire right now and performs well at the track.

    It's June now, so that means Tony Stewart will start racing well. 15/1 is always worth a look with him.

    My darkhorse is Kenseth

    Just my 2 cents

    I agree not doing the travel to nationwide race will help Kyle.Still don't understand why Edwards is intent on  running the full nationwide schedule

     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 2, 2010 - 4:17 PM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by vegasdennis:

    I agree not doing the travel to nationwide race will help Kyle.Still don't understand why Edwards is intent on  running the full nationwide schedule



    I think Edwards commits to a ton of sponsorship deals that he is obligated to uphold.  Not saying i blame him, get it while you can, but i think he'd show up at your family reunion with that smile on his face for a few grand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vegasdennis:

    I agree not doing the travel to nationwide race will help Kyle.Still don't understand why Edwards is intent on  running the full nationwide schedule



    I think Edwards commits to a ton of sponsorship deals that he is obligated to uphold.  Not saying i blame him, get it while you can, but i think he'd show up at your family reunion with that smile on his face for a few grand.
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