Sometimes
with the grueling job of posting lines on games every day odds makers make
mistakes and I think they may have made one here. With that being said it gives
me as player a chance to make a play Thursday loaded with value. In my opinion
here is why this line may have been as off as it is with the wrong team
favored.
First
of all is the old tactic of looking at the win/loss and ERA of a
particular pitcher. In the Rockie's case they send 23-year old right-hander
Jhoulys Chacin to the hill on Thursday. Chacin leads the Rockies, who are
out of playoff contention this season, in wins and ERA. Odds makers have a tendency
to overvalue the pitcher with the best numbers on a bad team. When I take
closer loot at Chacin I find a different story.
Jhoulys
Chacin has been far from effective for the Rockies and will take the mound
tonight. He is 0-3 with a 5.10 earned run average in his last five starts and
did not record a decision in Saturday's 8-7 loss to Milwaukee. He allowed five
runs and seven hits in 6 1/3 innings. He lost to Atlanta on July 5 allowing
four runs in five innings.
He
is showing obvious signs of fatigue that are often associated with young
pitchers after throwing a lot of innings and carrying a load they are not accustomed
to. In his lat four starts he has walked 11 batters while only striking out 18.
He has 106 strikeouts on the season (leads Rockies) yet has failed to strike
out more than five batters in any of his previous four starts. That stat along
with the added walks are strong signs of fatigue. When young pitchers become
fatigued over the course of the season they often start overthrowing and thus
the walks increase while the strikeouts decrease.
Braves
right-hander Tommy Hanson has been a rock for the AL East contenders. He is
10-5 with 2.73 ERA and an impressive 117-37 strikeout to walk ratio. Prior to a
rough outing vs. Washington in his last start Hanson had held seven straight
opponents to three runs or less. In his last five starts he has 42 strikeouts! And
only nine walks for a ratio of almost 5-1 Hanson pitched 202 innings
last season and has only pitched 108 thus far this season after spending some
time on the DL earlier in the year. He appears to have a fresh arm and his
strikeout to walk ratio has improved over the past month unlike Chacin's who
has drastically gotten worse.
The
Braves swept a four game series from Colorado from July 4-7 and despite
dropping two of the first three of this series, they have had a lot of success vs.
Colorado recently.
I Moved on the Braves
BOL As Always 17-6 on Write ups
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Sometimes
with the grueling job of posting lines on games every day odds makers make
mistakes and I think they may have made one here. With that being said it gives
me as player a chance to make a play Thursday loaded with value. In my opinion
here is why this line may have been as off as it is with the wrong team
favored.
First
of all is the old tactic of looking at the win/loss and ERA of a
particular pitcher. In the Rockie's case they send 23-year old right-hander
Jhoulys Chacin to the hill on Thursday. Chacin leads the Rockies, who are
out of playoff contention this season, in wins and ERA. Odds makers have a tendency
to overvalue the pitcher with the best numbers on a bad team. When I take
closer loot at Chacin I find a different story.
Jhoulys
Chacin has been far from effective for the Rockies and will take the mound
tonight. He is 0-3 with a 5.10 earned run average in his last five starts and
did not record a decision in Saturday's 8-7 loss to Milwaukee. He allowed five
runs and seven hits in 6 1/3 innings. He lost to Atlanta on July 5 allowing
four runs in five innings.
He
is showing obvious signs of fatigue that are often associated with young
pitchers after throwing a lot of innings and carrying a load they are not accustomed
to. In his lat four starts he has walked 11 batters while only striking out 18.
He has 106 strikeouts on the season (leads Rockies) yet has failed to strike
out more than five batters in any of his previous four starts. That stat along
with the added walks are strong signs of fatigue. When young pitchers become
fatigued over the course of the season they often start overthrowing and thus
the walks increase while the strikeouts decrease.
Braves
right-hander Tommy Hanson has been a rock for the AL East contenders. He is
10-5 with 2.73 ERA and an impressive 117-37 strikeout to walk ratio. Prior to a
rough outing vs. Washington in his last start Hanson had held seven straight
opponents to three runs or less. In his last five starts he has 42 strikeouts! And
only nine walks for a ratio of almost 5-1 Hanson pitched 202 innings
last season and has only pitched 108 thus far this season after spending some
time on the DL earlier in the year. He appears to have a fresh arm and his
strikeout to walk ratio has improved over the past month unlike Chacin's who
has drastically gotten worse.
The
Braves swept a four game series from Colorado from July 4-7 and despite
dropping two of the first three of this series, they have had a lot of success vs.
Colorado recently.
As for the Rockies, they are anything but eliminated from playoff contention. And as for the pitchers' stats for the last couple starts... you really have to disregard them.
Anybody who watched and bet baseball in April and May can easily see that some shit was going down in July. What I mean by that is the damn umpires had a strike zone half the size of an ordinary strike zone. Constantly, hitters were in hitters counts. So it doesn't matter who was on the mound... you weren't going to get half of the calls you will get in September... So throw all those damn numbers out cause plain and simple, they're cooked.
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Did you write this yourself, LVTruck?
As for the Rockies, they are anything but eliminated from playoff contention. And as for the pitchers' stats for the last couple starts... you really have to disregard them.
Anybody who watched and bet baseball in April and May can easily see that some shit was going down in July. What I mean by that is the damn umpires had a strike zone half the size of an ordinary strike zone. Constantly, hitters were in hitters counts. So it doesn't matter who was on the mound... you weren't going to get half of the calls you will get in September... So throw all those damn numbers out cause plain and simple, they're cooked.
If this helps at all; Chacin has 23 runs given up in 42IP in the day. Compared to 26 runs in 81IP at night. He gives up twice as many runs in the day as he does at night. 7HRs in the day compared to 9 at night. You get the point. His ERA is a point and a half higher in the day. On the otherside Hanson is pretty consistant with day/night, home/away allowing a run a little less then 1 run every 3 innings. Last outing at Atl Chacin went 5IP allowing 4hits 4ERs 1HR 6BB 5ks. Hanson went 7IP allowing 4 hits 1 ER 1BB and 6ks.
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Nice pick, nice write up.
If this helps at all; Chacin has 23 runs given up in 42IP in the day. Compared to 26 runs in 81IP at night. He gives up twice as many runs in the day as he does at night. 7HRs in the day compared to 9 at night. You get the point. His ERA is a point and a half higher in the day. On the otherside Hanson is pretty consistant with day/night, home/away allowing a run a little less then 1 run every 3 innings. Last outing at Atl Chacin went 5IP allowing 4hits 4ERs 1HR 6BB 5ks. Hanson went 7IP allowing 4 hits 1 ER 1BB and 6ks.
As for the Rockies, they are anything but eliminated from playoff contention. And as for the pitchers' stats for the last couple starts... you really have to disregard them.
Anybody who watched and bet baseball in April and May can easily see that some shit was going down in July. What I mean by that is the damn umpires had a strike zone half the size of an ordinary strike zone. Constantly, hitters were in hitters counts. So it doesn't matter who was on the mound... you weren't going to get half of the calls you will get in September... So throw all those damn numbers out cause plain and simple, they're cooked.
Agree the Rockies are not out of contention yet. If past results have any indication of repeating history, the Rockies will make a 2nd half run. I didn't watch every single game. Maybe your an unders player who got burnt on hitters settling and getting comfortable. There are plenty of umps that have strong under games.
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Quote Originally Posted by Revo23:
Did you write this yourself, LVTruck?
As for the Rockies, they are anything but eliminated from playoff contention. And as for the pitchers' stats for the last couple starts... you really have to disregard them.
Anybody who watched and bet baseball in April and May can easily see that some shit was going down in July. What I mean by that is the damn umpires had a strike zone half the size of an ordinary strike zone. Constantly, hitters were in hitters counts. So it doesn't matter who was on the mound... you weren't going to get half of the calls you will get in September... So throw all those damn numbers out cause plain and simple, they're cooked.
Agree the Rockies are not out of contention yet. If past results have any indication of repeating history, the Rockies will make a 2nd half run. I didn't watch every single game. Maybe your an unders player who got burnt on hitters settling and getting comfortable. There are plenty of umps that have strong under games.
As for the Rockies, they are anything but eliminated from playoff contention. And as for the pitchers' stats for the last couple starts... you really have to disregard them.
Anybody who watched and bet baseball in April and May can easily see that some shit was going down in July. What I mean by that is the damn umpires had a strike zone half the size of an ordinary strike zone. Constantly, hitters were in hitters counts. So it doesn't matter who was on the mound... you weren't going to get half of the calls you will get in September... So throw all those damn numbers out cause plain and simple, they're cooked.
Spare me the psychobabble. I'm on the Braves. if you disagree, I understand, I'll be looking for your Thread.
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Quote Originally Posted by Revo23:
Did you write this yourself, LVTruck?
As for the Rockies, they are anything but eliminated from playoff contention. And as for the pitchers' stats for the last couple starts... you really have to disregard them.
Anybody who watched and bet baseball in April and May can easily see that some shit was going down in July. What I mean by that is the damn umpires had a strike zone half the size of an ordinary strike zone. Constantly, hitters were in hitters counts. So it doesn't matter who was on the mound... you weren't going to get half of the calls you will get in September... So throw all those damn numbers out cause plain and simple, they're cooked.
Spare me the psychobabble. I'm on the Braves. if you disagree, I understand, I'll be looking for your Thread.
9.5 games back in the division and 10 games back in the wild card race in late July is out of contention in my book. LVTruck didn't say they're already eliminated. He said they're out of contention, and for now, they are.
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9.5 games back in the division and 10 games back in the wild card race in late July is out of contention in my book. LVTruck didn't say they're already eliminated. He said they're out of contention, and for now, they are.
Agree the Rockies are not out of contention yet. If past results have any indication of repeating history, the Rockies will make a 2nd half run. I didn't watch every single game. Maybe your an unders player who got burnt on hitters settling and getting comfortable. There are plenty of umps that have strong under games.
Exactly, so just take my word for it. How do you think teams come back down from 8 runs, 5 runs...?? Hitters were put into hitters counts. I don't care who was at the plate. It was 4th of July weekend, going into the week prior to the all-star break. You got fans coming out, it's hot, and nobody was going to enjoy themselves all drunk and shit with a pitchers duel. The fuckin' memo was sent out and I was late. Next year it won't happen. That's why I'm saying disregard pitchers' stats from the last week of June up until recently.
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Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:
Agree the Rockies are not out of contention yet. If past results have any indication of repeating history, the Rockies will make a 2nd half run. I didn't watch every single game. Maybe your an unders player who got burnt on hitters settling and getting comfortable. There are plenty of umps that have strong under games.
Exactly, so just take my word for it. How do you think teams come back down from 8 runs, 5 runs...?? Hitters were put into hitters counts. I don't care who was at the plate. It was 4th of July weekend, going into the week prior to the all-star break. You got fans coming out, it's hot, and nobody was going to enjoy themselves all drunk and shit with a pitchers duel. The fuckin' memo was sent out and I was late. Next year it won't happen. That's why I'm saying disregard pitchers' stats from the last week of June up until recently.
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