As a Red Sox fan (of sorts - any emotional 'distraught' I felt at their failure this past day was gone 5 mins after the fact of it happening, so thats the context of my own use of the word fan) my .02 can be summarised by responding to 3 posts...
Quote Originally Posted by Iveycheats:
I just don't see how anybody could think this was fixed.....if the Yankees wanted to lose, wouldn't they just let Price mow them down?
Oh, and they would get 2 outs in the 9th, then hope DAN JOHNSON can hit a homerun........please people
Why didn't they just let Price mow them down? the Yankees didn't want to appear to have laid down like a bitch, esp. to a potential future playoff opponent. That said, they can't pick and choose when they hit grand slams. In wanting to make sure they were seen to put in an effort this past day, meant they at least had to have the intention to put a few runs on the board to make it look like they at least forced Tampa to fight for their win. Who is to say Tex wasn't simply trying to hit a single or double, and got more of the ball than he either planned or wanted?
As for the observation about the 9th inning homer, well at THAT point the Yankees had obviously said to Tampa, it's on you now - are you good enough to beat us: we've given you walked in runs, we've given you hit-by-pitch runs, we've kept in shitty pitchers past their time-to-pull-him date, we've done all we can and still you keep fucking up. So now we'll feed you meatballs and if you can't do it off those, tough luck. Well, one guy latched onto a meatball. At that point Girardi inserted the human gas-can called Scott Proctor, and that was all she wrote (in extras they even gifted the Rays with an out at home w/an out still to give re: a possible future sacrificed in run).
Quote Originally Posted by Johny_Utah:
Yeah the Yanks couldn't of closed the game out with a 7-0 lead in the 8th if they really wanted to.
This is the cutting observation: the Yankees couldn't close out a 7-0 lead with 2 innings to go IF THEY REALLY WANTED TO? Only someone smoking the best drugs money can buy could believe that. And the fact of it's truth is witnessed in the way the 8th played out. Ayala - who had just entered the game as a reliever - walks in a run, then hits the very next batter to gift in another run, and he's not pulled with the bases still loaded and 0 outs? Um, let see, 99.9% of all managers in existence would realise the guy fucking up their effort to win is clearly showing no control, and that a new arm is needed (the lead is down to 5 runs - not 8-10-12+, and the opposition are just 1 hit away from being 1 down with still 0 outs, so it's not like the margin of error was still so great that a serious manager could afford to risk the guy currently in giving up a grand slam, or even simply another hit). What we saw was managing designed to give the opposition every chance in the world to win. Tampa was a capable enough team to take that chance (but still bad enough to not take the lead in the same inning - Ayala was still kept in after the 3 run shot that made it 6-7, and immediately gave up another hit and still wasn't pulled. He was being kept in to give the Rays every chance in the world to take the lead that inning, but Damon fucked up).
Quote Originally Posted by thisguyiswise:
if you want to say respect for the game, phillies showed it for cards and yanks didnt.
Baltimore respected the game, Philly respected the game, Houston simply sucks to much to have put up 3 really competitive efforts in their series (they won game 1, and were leading late in game 2). The Yankees, on the other hand...