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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2011 - 12:36 PM ET #226

    This is somewhat similar in the way that I make my baseball picks BUT I almost always hop on a HUGE dog (+175 or higher) especially toward the end of the season
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2011 - 3:25 PM ET #227

    Quote Originally Posted by simonidogs:

    here is the original post

    1. Don't bet against any 3 game streaks whether it be losing or winning streaks.

    Cinn has lost 4 (win or lose it says)

    But is it 3 exactly or, 3 or more

    This system is based on the one featured in VegasInsider.com. Here is the link https://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/story.cfm/story/571442/.

    I believe Maglio misinterpeted what the article said when he listed the three qualifications. When I started posting the results for this system beginning on 4/18, I was following his qualifications, which led to the error. If you are going to try this system, here are the three qualifications you should follow:

    1) Each day, check the American and National League schedules and automatically eliminate any games in which the moneyline odds on the underdogs are greater than +150.

    2) Of the games that remain, eliminate any games in which the underdogs have lost 3 or more games in a row or the favorites have won 3 or more games in a row.

    3) Of the games that are left, eliminate any games in which the favored team's pitcher is among the Top 20 of the AL or NL in ERA, or NPERA, as determined by Jeff Sagarin on USA Today's Web site.

    4) When betting on The Baseball Underdog System, I always incorporate a second set of plays every day on games in which both pitchers are ranked in the Top 20 in the league -- always on the "under" total set by oddsmakers. As you might expect, these "pitchers duels" often go under the total set by oddsmakers, usually somewhere between 7.5 and 9 runs.

     

     

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    1. Don't bet against any 3 game streaks whether it be losing or winning streaks.

    Cinn has lost 4 (win or lose it says)

    But is it 3 exactly or, 3 or more

    This system is based on the one featured in VegasInsider.com. Here is the link https://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/story.cfm/story/571442/.

    I believe Maglio misinterpeted what the article said when he listed the three qualifications. When I started posting the results for this system beginning on 4/18, I was following his qualifications, which led to the error. If you are going to try this system, here are the three qualifications you should follow:

    1) Each day, check the American and National League schedules and automatically eliminate any games in which the moneyline odds on the underdogs are greater than +150.

    2) Of the games that remain, eliminate any games in which the underdogs have lost 3 or more games in a row or the favorites have won 3 or more games in a row.

    3) Of the games that are left, eliminate any games in which the favored team's pitcher is among the Top 20 of the AL or NL in ERA, or NPERA, as determined by Jeff Sagarin on USA Today's Web site.

    4) When betting on The Baseball Underdog System, I always incorporate a second set of plays every day on games in which both pitchers are ranked in the Top 20 in the league -- always on the "under" total set by oddsmakers. As you might expect, these "pitchers duels" often go under the total set by oddsmakers, usually somewhere between 7.5 and 9 runs.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2011 - 3:41 PM ET #228

    Has anyone read Maglio's book?  Just wondering if he has other systems worth looking at.
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2011 - 3:46 PM ET #229

    Plays for Thursday following the above system:

    Arizona           +119

    Pittsburgh      +131

    Houston         +126

    Oakland         +136

    Just to clarify, the odds I'm using are the current odds at covers for that game when the pick is posted. I know some might get better or worse odds at your book, but as stated before, just tracking this for a couple of weeks to see how it does.

     

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    Plays for Thursday following the above system:

    Arizona           +119

    Pittsburgh      +131

    Houston         +126

    Oakland         +136

    Just to clarify, the odds I'm using are the current odds at covers for that game when the pick is posted. I know some might get better or worse odds at your book, but as stated before, just tracking this for a couple of weeks to see how it does.

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2011 - 3:58 PM ET #230

    ARZ 

    As I expected Leake threw a quality start FTW - Cincy bats finally woke up too - glad I stayed off this one - will continue to take closer looks at games that are borderline qualifying plays.

    Locked and loaded on PITT and HOU - they are 110% qualified.

    Still torn on OAKtown - King Felix is a little under rated IMO - 1st start was a gem; took a loss in second start only giving up 2ER due to a couple errors; got touched up pretty bad in his third start by a very good TOR lineup; and took a loss in his 4th start behind a big goose egg of run support and 2 errors which lead to 3 unearned runs.

    The price also made an interesting move since open dropping around .10, but now right back to where it opened meaning money initially went on OAK and then once the price was right on SEA money was fired back  on that side.

    I'm 65%-35% in favor of laying off this one due to gut feeling - i always find you have success more often than not trusting your first instinct. 

    Anyone else have thoughts?

    Just my 2 cents....as always, play 'em as you like!


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    ARZ 

    As I expected Leake threw a quality start FTW - Cincy bats finally woke up too - glad I stayed off this one - will continue to take closer looks at games that are borderline qualifying plays.

    Locked and loaded on PITT and HOU - they are 110% qualified.

    Still torn on OAKtown - King Felix is a little under rated IMO - 1st start was a gem; took a loss in second start only giving up 2ER due to a couple errors; got touched up pretty bad in his third start by a very good TOR lineup; and took a loss in his 4th start behind a big goose egg of run support and 2 errors which lead to 3 unearned runs.

    The price also made an interesting move since open dropping around .10, but now right back to where it opened meaning money initially went on OAK and then once the price was right on SEA money was fired back  on that side.

    I'm 65%-35% in favor of laying off this one due to gut feeling - i always find you have success more often than not trusting your first instinct. 

    Anyone else have thoughts?

    Just my 2 cents....as always, play 'em as you like!


     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2011 - 4:25 PM ET #231

    Houston and Oaksterdam look good
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    Houston and Oaksterdam look good
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2011 - 4:46 PM ET #232

    If you look at the chance a team will continue their W/L streak after 3 games over the past few seasons you will see it comes out to 50% on the 4th game.  i.e. using that as a criteria for the 4th game is retarded.
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    If you look at the chance a team will continue their W/L streak after 3 games over the past few seasons you will see it comes out to 50% on the 4th game.  i.e. using that as a criteria for the 4th game is retarded.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2011 - 4:48 PM ET #233

    Ok, here are the correction for Monday and I will state why game should have been added or deleted:

    Minnesota      +102           +20.40

    Seattle           +109         -20

    Pit/Cin    under 8.5          -22

    San Deigo     +134         -20

     

    Minnesota should have been a play because the team with the losing streak of 3 or more was the FAV.

    Corrected record and bankroll after Monday: 1-3 / $1558.40

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    Ok, here are the correction for Monday and I will state why game should have been added or deleted:

    Minnesota      +102           +20.40

    Seattle           +109         -20

    Pit/Cin    under 8.5          -22

    San Deigo     +134         -20

     

    Minnesota should have been a play because the team with the losing streak of 3 or more was the FAV.

    Corrected record and bankroll after Monday: 1-3 / $1558.40

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2011 - 4:56 PM ET #234

    Quote Originally Posted by odieo:

    ARZ 

    As I expected Leake threw a quality start FTW - Cincy bats finally woke up too - glad I stayed off this one - will continue to take closer looks at games that are borderline qualifying plays.

    Locked and loaded on PITT and HOU - they are 110% qualified.

    Still torn on OAKtown - King Felix is a little under rated IMO - 1st start was a gem; took a loss in second start only giving up 2ER due to a couple errors; got touched up pretty bad in his third start by a very good TOR lineup; and took a loss in his 4th start behind a big goose egg of run support and 2 errors which lead to 3 unearned runs.

    The price also made an interesting move since open dropping around .10, but now right back to where it opened meaning money initially went on OAK and then once the price was right on SEA money was fired back  on that side.

    I'm 65%-35% in favor of laying off this one due to gut feeling - i always find you have success more often than not trusting your first instinct. 

    Anyone else have thoughts?

    Just my 2 cents....as always, play 'em as you like!


    McCarthy is a solid pitcher and Seattle is just horrible scoring runs. Oakland avg against righties .252, Seattle .194. I'd make this a play.

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    ARZ 

    As I expected Leake threw a quality start FTW - Cincy bats finally woke up too - glad I stayed off this one - will continue to take closer looks at games that are borderline qualifying plays.

    Locked and loaded on PITT and HOU - they are 110% qualified.

    Still torn on OAKtown - King Felix is a little under rated IMO - 1st start was a gem; took a loss in second start only giving up 2ER due to a couple errors; got touched up pretty bad in his third start by a very good TOR lineup; and took a loss in his 4th start behind a big goose egg of run support and 2 errors which lead to 3 unearned runs.

    The price also made an interesting move since open dropping around .10, but now right back to where it opened meaning money initially went on OAK and then once the price was right on SEA money was fired back  on that side.

    I'm 65%-35% in favor of laying off this one due to gut feeling - i always find you have success more often than not trusting your first instinct. 

    Anyone else have thoughts?

    Just my 2 cents....as always, play 'em as you like!


    McCarthy is a solid pitcher and Seattle is just horrible scoring runs. Oakland avg against righties .252, Seattle .194. I'd make this a play.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2011 - 5:14 PM ET #235

    Ok, here are the corrections for Tuesday and I will state why game should have been added or deleted:

    Houston         +120          +22.80

    Arizona          +144          +27.36    

    Atlanta           +107          +20.33

    Minnesota     +106        -19.00

    Minnesota should have been a play because the team with the losing streak of 3 or more was the FAV.

    Corrected record and bankroll after Tuesday:   4-4 / $1609.89    

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    Ok, here are the corrections for Tuesday and I will state why game should have been added or deleted:

    Houston         +120          +22.80

    Arizona          +144          +27.36    

    Atlanta           +107          +20.33

    Minnesota     +106        -19.00

    Minnesota should have been a play because the team with the losing streak of 3 or more was the FAV.

    Corrected record and bankroll after Tuesday:   4-4 / $1609.89    

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2011 - 5:14 PM ET #236

    I added SD to my personal plays because they are +100 at my book.
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2011 - 5:52 PM ET #237

    Quote Originally Posted by zcecil:

    I added SD to my personal plays because they are +100 at my book.


    Oswalt #22 on ratings.  Would be wary of this play at this price, pertaining to this system.

    Just my 2 cents.....as always, play 'em as you like!
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    I added SD to my personal plays because they are +100 at my book.


    Oswalt #22 on ratings.  Would be wary of this play at this price, pertaining to this system.

    Just my 2 cents.....as always, play 'em as you like!
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2011 - 5:53 PM ET #238

    Ok, here are the corrections for Wednesday and I will state why game should have been added or deleted:

    Mil/Phily                  under 7.5          +20.00

    Washington game 1     +136          +27.20

    San Fran/Col         under 8.5         -22.00

    Pittsburgh                      +137        -20.00

    Houston                         +136          +27.20

    Arizona                          +134          +26.80

    Detroit                           +104          +20.80

    LAA/Texas               under 8          +20.00

    Washing added because the UD had the winning streak which is OK. Pittsburgh added because UD had the top 20 pitcher which is OK. Arizona added because the UD had the winning streak which is OK. Minnesota scratched because FAV pitcher was top 20. Detroit added because they became a dog (they opened at -103).

    Corrected record and bankroll after Wednesday: 10-6 / $1709.89

    Wagers amount on Thursday: $21 

     

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    Ok, here are the corrections for Wednesday and I will state why game should have been added or deleted:

    Mil/Phily                  under 7.5          +20.00

    Washington game 1     +136          +27.20

    San Fran/Col         under 8.5         -22.00

    Pittsburgh                      +137        -20.00

    Houston                         +136          +27.20

    Arizona                          +134          +26.80

    Detroit                           +104          +20.80

    LAA/Texas               under 8          +20.00

    Washing added because the UD had the winning streak which is OK. Pittsburgh added because UD had the top 20 pitcher which is OK. Arizona added because the UD had the winning streak which is OK. Minnesota scratched because FAV pitcher was top 20. Detroit added because they became a dog (they opened at -103).

    Corrected record and bankroll after Wednesday: 10-6 / $1709.89

    Wagers amount on Thursday: $21 

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2011 - 6:35 PM ET #239

    Quote Originally Posted by odieo:



    Oswalt #22 on ratings.  Would be wary of this play at this price, pertaining to this system.

    Just my 2 cents.....as always, play 'em as you like!

    Well I'm just following the rules of the system.
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    Oswalt #22 on ratings.  Would be wary of this play at this price, pertaining to this system.

    Just my 2 cents.....as always, play 'em as you like!

    Well I'm just following the rules of the system.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2011 - 7:44 PM ET #240

    Quote Originally Posted by zcecil:


    Well I'm just following the rules of the system.


    Right, but every system can use tweaking - obviously we don't have enough of a sample size to accurately judge pitching at this point in the season so the ratings are a little off - just sayin probably not a good idea to play a borderline pitcher at this point when ur not even getting a price on it...

    Just my 2 cents.....as always, play 'em as you like!
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    Well I'm just following the rules of the system.


    Right, but every system can use tweaking - obviously we don't have enough of a sample size to accurately judge pitching at this point in the season so the ratings are a little off - just sayin probably not a good idea to play a borderline pitcher at this point when ur not even getting a price on it...

    Just my 2 cents.....as always, play 'em as you like!
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2011 - 7:54 PM ET #241

    I mean you could easily make a case for a play against the A's going against the reigning cy young winner at home. SD at home against a pitcher who just hurt his back. I'll take it.
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    I mean you could easily make a case for a play against the A's going against the reigning cy young winner at home. SD at home against a pitcher who just hurt his back. I'll take it.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2011 - 8:10 PM ET #242

    Quote Originally Posted by zcecil:

    I mean you could easily make a case for a play against the A's going against the reigning cy young winner at home. SD at home against a pitcher who just hurt his back. I'll take it.


    Yea...if you go back a few posts I actually made that very case - have you even read all of this thread?

    SD has moved to plus money in the past few hours (which means money has been going on the Philthies) making them an official system play - still on the fence about them and OAKtown though.
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    I mean you could easily make a case for a play against the A's going against the reigning cy young winner at home. SD at home against a pitcher who just hurt his back. I'll take it.


    Yea...if you go back a few posts I actually made that very case - have you even read all of this thread?

    SD has moved to plus money in the past few hours (which means money has been going on the Philthies) making them an official system play - still on the fence about them and OAKtown though.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2011 - 8:22 PM ET #243

    The reason you are so wary of these plays is because that's how the system works, it finds those borderline plays that could go either way but historically win money in the long run.
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    The reason you are so wary of these plays is because that's how the system works, it finds those borderline plays that could go either way but historically win money in the long run.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2011 - 9:29 PM ET #244

    Quote Originally Posted by zcecil:

    The reason you are so wary of these plays is because that's how the system works, it finds those borderline plays that could go either way but historically win money in the long run.

    The article also says to do extra homework for games on the edge such as this (with Oswalt being the #23 pitcher.) Oswalt has a career 11-2 record against the Padres while Latos is 0-2 against the Philies. The main reason I didn't post it as a play is Latos has only two starts this year. I want to see pitchers with at least 3 starts to form an opinion. Having said that, it isn't necessarily an incorrect play. Also, a team that is +100 isn't a dog, they're even money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zcecil:

    The reason you are so wary of these plays is because that's how the system works, it finds those borderline plays that could go either way but historically win money in the long run.

    The article also says to do extra homework for games on the edge such as this (with Oswalt being the #23 pitcher.) Oswalt has a career 11-2 record against the Padres while Latos is 0-2 against the Philies. The main reason I didn't post it as a play is Latos has only two starts this year. I want to see pitchers with at least 3 starts to form an opinion. Having said that, it isn't necessarily an incorrect play. Also, a team that is +100 isn't a dog, they're even money.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2011 - 10:06 PM ET #245

    Quote Originally Posted by POIZENIV:

    The article also says to do extra homework for games on the edge such as this (with Oswalt being the #23 pitcher.) Oswalt has a career 11-2 record against the Padres while Latos is 0-2 against the Philies. The main reason I didn't post it as a play is Latos has only two starts this year. I want to see pitchers with at least 3 starts to form an opinion. Having said that, it isn't necessarily an incorrect play. Also, a team that is +100 isn't a dog, they're even money.



    Yea i think zcecil needs to do a little homework before he speaks again...lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by POIZENIV:

    The article also says to do extra homework for games on the edge such as this (with Oswalt being the #23 pitcher.) Oswalt has a career 11-2 record against the Padres while Latos is 0-2 against the Philies. The main reason I didn't post it as a play is Latos has only two starts this year. I want to see pitchers with at least 3 starts to form an opinion. Having said that, it isn't necessarily an incorrect play. Also, a team that is +100 isn't a dog, they're even money.



    Yea i think zcecil needs to do a little homework before he speaks again...lol.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2011 - 10:47 PM ET #246

    Quote Originally Posted by zcecil:

    The reason you are so wary of these plays is because that's how the system works, it finds those borderline plays that could go either way but historically win money in the long run.


    You are way off with this assessment.  Really care to explain why - maybe you should read through this thread more carefully and use that thing your skull is protecting.

    Ended up firing on OAKtown - Poizen gave some good analysis -  i think its a good price for a borderline play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zcecil:

    The reason you are so wary of these plays is because that's how the system works, it finds those borderline plays that could go either way but historically win money in the long run.


    You are way off with this assessment.  Really care to explain why - maybe you should read through this thread more carefully and use that thing your skull is protecting.

    Ended up firing on OAKtown - Poizen gave some good analysis -  i think its a good price for a borderline play.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by POIZENIV:

    This system is based on the one featured in VegasInsider.com. Here is the link https://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/story.cfm/story/571442/.

    I believe Maglio misinterpeted what the article said when he listed the three qualifications. When I started posting the results for this system beginning on 4/18, I was following his qualifications, which led to the error. If you are going to try this system, here are the three qualifications you should follow:

    1) Each day, check the American and National League schedules and automatically eliminate any games in which the moneyline odds on the underdogs are greater than +150.

    2) Of the games that remain, eliminate any games in which the underdogs have lost 3 or more games in a row or the favorites have won 3 or more games in a row.

    3) Of the games that are left, eliminate any games in which the favored team's pitcher is among the Top 20 of the AL or NL in ERA, or NPERA, as determined by Jeff Sagarin on USA Today's Web site.

    4) When betting on The Baseball Underdog System, I always incorporate a second set of plays every day on games in which both pitchers are ranked in the Top 20 in the league -- always on the "under" total set by oddsmakers. As you might expect, these "pitchers duels" often go under the total set by oddsmakers, usually somewhere between 7.5 and 9 runs.

     

     


    Can you explain #4? Usually when the top 20 pitchers are facing each other, the o/u is around 7, sometimes 6.5.  Who wants to go under then?

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    This system is based on the one featured in VegasInsider.com. Here is the link https://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/story.cfm/story/571442/.

    I believe Maglio misinterpeted what the article said when he listed the three qualifications. When I started posting the results for this system beginning on 4/18, I was following his qualifications, which led to the error. If you are going to try this system, here are the three qualifications you should follow:

    1) Each day, check the American and National League schedules and automatically eliminate any games in which the moneyline odds on the underdogs are greater than +150.

    2) Of the games that remain, eliminate any games in which the underdogs have lost 3 or more games in a row or the favorites have won 3 or more games in a row.

    3) Of the games that are left, eliminate any games in which the favored team's pitcher is among the Top 20 of the AL or NL in ERA, or NPERA, as determined by Jeff Sagarin on USA Today's Web site.

    4) When betting on The Baseball Underdog System, I always incorporate a second set of plays every day on games in which both pitchers are ranked in the Top 20 in the league -- always on the "under" total set by oddsmakers. As you might expect, these "pitchers duels" often go under the total set by oddsmakers, usually somewhere between 7.5 and 9 runs.

     

     


    Can you explain #4? Usually when the top 20 pitchers are facing each other, the o/u is around 7, sometimes 6.5.  Who wants to go under then?

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2011 - 10:57 PM ET #248

    Quote Originally Posted by composite:


    Can you explain #4? Usually when the top 20 pitchers are facing each other, the o/u is around 7, sometimes 6.5.  Who wants to go under then?

    Usually the total is between 7 and 8.5. Every now and the you see a 6.5 and I would do some real studing of those games. One of the reasons I want to follow this for a couple of weeks is to see how the "totals" record comes out. Since Monday its 2-2, so you would be loser to the vig.

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    Can you explain #4? Usually when the top 20 pitchers are facing each other, the o/u is around 7, sometimes 6.5.  Who wants to go under then?

    Usually the total is between 7 and 8.5. Every now and the you see a 6.5 and I would do some real studing of those games. One of the reasons I want to follow this for a couple of weeks is to see how the "totals" record comes out. Since Monday its 2-2, so you would be loser to the vig.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2011 - 11:21 PM ET #249

    Quote Originally Posted by odieo:



    Yea i think zcecil needs to do a little homework before he speaks again...lol.

    Homework? I thought this was a system, I didn't realize you guys just picked and chose which games you wanted to play within the "system" on pace for 0-5 today gents lol. Maybe we should have laid off Oaktown and SD and we would have only been 0-3 lol.
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    Yea i think zcecil needs to do a little homework before he speaks again...lol.

    Homework? I thought this was a system, I didn't realize you guys just picked and chose which games you wanted to play within the "system" on pace for 0-5 today gents lol. Maybe we should have laid off Oaktown and SD and we would have only been 0-3 lol.
     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2011 - 11:29 PM ET #250

    Quote Originally Posted by zcecil:

    The reason you are so wary of these plays is because that's how the system works, it finds those borderline plays that could go either way but historically win money in the long run.


    My how fast your tune changes.  If u read through this thread you would realize that for this system April is a data collecting month - and it has been stated many times to proceed with caution the first few weeks.  That is why we are doing some analysis with the plays.

    Love guys that come out of nowhere make some ignorant comments cause they have no clue whats going on and start criticizing....lol to you sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zcecil:

    The reason you are so wary of these plays is because that's how the system works, it finds those borderline plays that could go either way but historically win money in the long run.


    My how fast your tune changes.  If u read through this thread you would realize that for this system April is a data collecting month - and it has been stated many times to proceed with caution the first few weeks.  That is why we are doing some analysis with the plays.

    Love guys that come out of nowhere make some ignorant comments cause they have no clue whats going on and start criticizing....lol to you sir.
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