Another reason why Mike Trout isn't the goat. Actually, I have no idea what people see in him? All he does is struck out! Look at his stats for the past 5 years, he has more k's than hits. Once again, my problem is? People love Mike Trout and think he's the goat. They can have him on their team. I hope they enjoy last place. Quick question. Who struck out to end USA chances last season? I'll give you one guess. There's a pretty good chance, Frank Thomas would not have struck out to end the game. Lol. But I digress
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@Natty68
Another reason why Mike Trout isn't the goat. Actually, I have no idea what people see in him? All he does is struck out! Look at his stats for the past 5 years, he has more k's than hits. Once again, my problem is? People love Mike Trout and think he's the goat. They can have him on their team. I hope they enjoy last place. Quick question. Who struck out to end USA chances last season? I'll give you one guess. There's a pretty good chance, Frank Thomas would not have struck out to end the game. Lol. But I digress
Well, the game really hasn't changed. The players have, not the game. Bottom line, it's still a picture versus a hitter. And Mike Trout, does not put the ball, into play, like a Hall of famer should. He has more strikeouts than hits in the past 5 seasons. That isn't any good, that's terrible. Most players in the league don't do that, they have more hits than k's for the season. But not trout. Look this year. Look at the ratio this year for him, much less the last 5 seasons.
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@Raiders22
Well, the game really hasn't changed. The players have, not the game. Bottom line, it's still a picture versus a hitter. And Mike Trout, does not put the ball, into play, like a Hall of famer should. He has more strikeouts than hits in the past 5 seasons. That isn't any good, that's terrible. Most players in the league don't do that, they have more hits than k's for the season. But not trout. Look this year. Look at the ratio this year for him, much less the last 5 seasons.
But when he is injury-free and on his game -- look at the numbers. Even back in 2019, etc.
For exemple:
It's a yearly thing, watching for Trout's adjustments that keep him at his consistent MVP level. Here's the 2019 upgrade: Trout isn't swinging and missing, he isn't chasing, and he isn't striking out.
He's walking more than twice as often as he's striking out, with a 24.3 percent walk rate to an 11.3 percent strikeout rate.
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But when he is injury-free and on his game -- look at the numbers. Even back in 2019, etc.
For exemple:
It's a yearly thing, watching for Trout's adjustments that keep him at his consistent MVP level. Here's the 2019 upgrade: Trout isn't swinging and missing, he isn't chasing, and he isn't striking out.
He's walking more than twice as often as he's striking out, with a 24.3 percent walk rate to an 11.3 percent strikeout rate.
Dude, you can't be a solid contact hitter when you struck out 7 times in a row. You can't be a solid contact hitter when you have more strikeouts than hits in the past 5 seasons. How is that contact??? More strikeouts, then hits in the past 5 seasons. How is that contact??? Look at his stats
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@Raiders22
Dude, you can't be a solid contact hitter when you struck out 7 times in a row. You can't be a solid contact hitter when you have more strikeouts than hits in the past 5 seasons. How is that contact??? More strikeouts, then hits in the past 5 seasons. How is that contact??? Look at his stats
"He isn't striking out". Explain why he has more k's than hits if he's not striking out. Dude, you're losing me. Do I have to count them again?? I don't have time to count them again, you do it. He has more strikeouts than hits in the past 5 seasons. And it won't get better. Every season from now on in his career he will have more strikeouts than hits. Stats don't lie. It is what it is
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@Raiders22
"He isn't striking out". Explain why he has more k's than hits if he's not striking out. Dude, you're losing me. Do I have to count them again?? I don't have time to count them again, you do it. He has more strikeouts than hits in the past 5 seasons. And it won't get better. Every season from now on in his career he will have more strikeouts than hits. Stats don't lie. It is what it is
Yes, I am simply saying that you are taking the last 5 seasons -- for sure he has been injured a lot during those times.
I am saying he has corrected and gotten better about that before the injuries. But even in the last 3-5 years the game has changed.
Yes -- still pitcher v hitter. But it is not the same emphasis. You can see this in all of the numbers in baseball in general. His numbers simply encapsulate that.
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@TxRangers
Yes, I am simply saying that you are taking the last 5 seasons -- for sure he has been injured a lot during those times.
I am saying he has corrected and gotten better about that before the injuries. But even in the last 3-5 years the game has changed.
Yes -- still pitcher v hitter. But it is not the same emphasis. You can see this in all of the numbers in baseball in general. His numbers simply encapsulate that.
324 hits, 367 k's. I did the numbers fast. Could be off a little bit, but that's hilarious. Thing is, these numbers will be the same over the next five seasons. Frank Thomas is laughing. And he's facing mediocre pitching staffs.
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324 hits, 367 k's. I did the numbers fast. Could be off a little bit, but that's hilarious. Thing is, these numbers will be the same over the next five seasons. Frank Thomas is laughing. And he's facing mediocre pitching staffs.
Trout has seen 445 pitches this season. He's swung at 151 of them; he's missed 15 times. That's fewer than one in every 10 swings. Or, to put it conversely, he's making contact on more than nine out of every 10 swings. Essentially, Trout has become an elite contact hitter.
Min. 100 swings (274 hitters)
David Fletcher (LAA): 6.0%
Willians Astudillo (MIN): 8.6%
3) Mike Trout (LAA): 9.9% (15 misses / 151 swings) 4) Wilmer Flores (ARI): 10.1% 5) Alex Verdugo (LAD): 10.2%
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Look at one of his MVP years for example:
Trout has seen 445 pitches this season. He's swung at 151 of them; he's missed 15 times. That's fewer than one in every 10 swings. Or, to put it conversely, he's making contact on more than nine out of every 10 swings. Essentially, Trout has become an elite contact hitter.
Min. 100 swings (274 hitters)
David Fletcher (LAA): 6.0%
Willians Astudillo (MIN): 8.6%
3) Mike Trout (LAA): 9.9% (15 misses / 151 swings) 4) Wilmer Flores (ARI): 10.1% 5) Alex Verdugo (LAD): 10.2%
Truth be known, trout isn't a Hall of famer. What will his introduction speech be????? "I present to you, Mike Trout, 0 World Series, 0 playoff wins, 2200 hits, 2800 strikeouts. Well, that's about it". That's hilarious
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Truth be known, trout isn't a Hall of famer. What will his introduction speech be????? "I present to you, Mike Trout, 0 World Series, 0 playoff wins, 2200 hits, 2800 strikeouts. Well, that's about it". That's hilarious
By contrast, when a pitch is clearly in the strike zone, Trout has swung 62.6 percent of the time. That is to say: Trout has swung over 20 times more often when a pitch is clearly in the zone than when a pitch is clearly out of the zone. Of the 124 hitters who have seen both 100 clearly in-zone and clearly out-of-zone pitches so far this season, Trout's ratio of swings in the "heart" region to swings in the "chase" region is easily the best.
The narrowing of swing selection to the most hittable pitches is probably the largest reason behind Trout's 90.9 percent contact rate. Here's another: On the rare times Trout does go outside the zone, he's not missing often.
On Trout's swings against out-of-zone pitches -- most of which are borderline, anyway, just barely outside the strike zone's technical limits -- he's made contact 78.1 percent of the time. That's up by over 20 percent from last season, and it's one of the best rates in the Majors. His in-zone contact is up, too, to 93.2 percent, fifth-highest in MLB.
Even when you get him to two strikes, it's not easy to get that strike three. Trout's "putaway rate" this season -- the percent of two-strike pitches that result in a strikeout -- is down to a career-low 12.3 percent.
The confluence of factors -- fewer swings and misses, extreme patience, almost no chases, tons of contact inside and outside the strike zone -- is what's making Trout so hard to strike out.
That's how you get a Major League-best 2.2 walks for every strikeout. It's how you get the latest new look in Trout's perennial evolution.
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By contrast, when a pitch is clearly in the strike zone, Trout has swung 62.6 percent of the time. That is to say: Trout has swung over 20 times more often when a pitch is clearly in the zone than when a pitch is clearly out of the zone. Of the 124 hitters who have seen both 100 clearly in-zone and clearly out-of-zone pitches so far this season, Trout's ratio of swings in the "heart" region to swings in the "chase" region is easily the best.
The narrowing of swing selection to the most hittable pitches is probably the largest reason behind Trout's 90.9 percent contact rate. Here's another: On the rare times Trout does go outside the zone, he's not missing often.
On Trout's swings against out-of-zone pitches -- most of which are borderline, anyway, just barely outside the strike zone's technical limits -- he's made contact 78.1 percent of the time. That's up by over 20 percent from last season, and it's one of the best rates in the Majors. His in-zone contact is up, too, to 93.2 percent, fifth-highest in MLB.
Even when you get him to two strikes, it's not easy to get that strike three. Trout's "putaway rate" this season -- the percent of two-strike pitches that result in a strikeout -- is down to a career-low 12.3 percent.
The confluence of factors -- fewer swings and misses, extreme patience, almost no chases, tons of contact inside and outside the strike zone -- is what's making Trout so hard to strike out.
That's how you get a Major League-best 2.2 walks for every strikeout. It's how you get the latest new look in Trout's perennial evolution.
Even if you look SOLELY at his strikeouts and nothing else it is not what it seems. That is why I say the rest FAR override this.
For example:
For his career, Mike Trout's strikeout rate is 22%. Less than a quarter of his at-bats end with a strikeout. Generally speaking, that is right at the "below average" mark per Fangraphs.
However, it is far from the poor or awful metrics that Fangraphs defined (25% and 27.5%, respectively). Strikeout rates are always high in the modern game. For comparison, Ohtani has a 26.9% strikeout rate.
Last year, Patrick Wisdom led baseball with a 34.3% strikeout rate - far worse than Trout's 2022 metric of 27.9%.
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Even if you look SOLELY at his strikeouts and nothing else it is not what it seems. That is why I say the rest FAR override this.
For example:
For his career, Mike Trout's strikeout rate is 22%. Less than a quarter of his at-bats end with a strikeout. Generally speaking, that is right at the "below average" mark per Fangraphs.
However, it is far from the poor or awful metrics that Fangraphs defined (25% and 27.5%, respectively). Strikeout rates are always high in the modern game. For comparison, Ohtani has a 26.9% strikeout rate.
Last year, Patrick Wisdom led baseball with a 34.3% strikeout rate - far worse than Trout's 2022 metric of 27.9%.
You do realize the gap is only 160. That's deceiving with 16 and 14. And in 5 more seasons they will be equal. His strikeout numbers will go up every season because of his age. My whole point is. Mike Trout is not the goat of baseball. I never said he wasn't a good player. HE'S NOT THE GOAT. And I've heard he was from too many people in the media. Let's end this right now, hopefully on a good note, and again thank you for keeping on a mature level. One question for you? Do you think Mike Trout is the goat of baseball? A simple yes or no?
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@Raiders22
You do realize the gap is only 160. That's deceiving with 16 and 14. And in 5 more seasons they will be equal. His strikeout numbers will go up every season because of his age. My whole point is. Mike Trout is not the goat of baseball. I never said he wasn't a good player. HE'S NOT THE GOAT. And I've heard he was from too many people in the media. Let's end this right now, hopefully on a good note, and again thank you for keeping on a mature level. One question for you? Do you think Mike Trout is the goat of baseball? A simple yes or no?
Let's end this on a good note, hopefully., LOL. My problem is, I've heard the media say trout is the goat too many times. A simple question for you? Do you think Mike Trout is the goat of baseball? A simple yes or no? You know my answer
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@Raiders22
Let's end this on a good note, hopefully., LOL. My problem is, I've heard the media say trout is the goat too many times. A simple question for you? Do you think Mike Trout is the goat of baseball? A simple yes or no? You know my answer
@Raiders22 You do realize the gap is only 160. That's deceiving with 16 and 14. And in 5 more seasons they will be equal. His strikeout numbers will go up every season because of his age. My whole point is. Mike Trout is not the goat of baseball. I never said he wasn't a good player. HE'S NOT THE GOAT. And I've heard he was from too many people in the media. Let's end this right now, hopefully on a good note, and again thank you for keeping on a mature level. One question for you? Do you think Mike Trout is the goat of baseball? A simple yes or no?
No, that is still Ruth, or even your guy Mays.
But Trout can have a very, very good case made for him. I think he is solid top 5-7. Only 2-3 outfielders were better when all were at their peaks.
I think the best we have seen in our lifetime at their peak -- unless you are a good deal older than the average person on here.
Good discussion
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@TxRangers
Quote Originally Posted by TxRangers:
@Raiders22 You do realize the gap is only 160. That's deceiving with 16 and 14. And in 5 more seasons they will be equal. His strikeout numbers will go up every season because of his age. My whole point is. Mike Trout is not the goat of baseball. I never said he wasn't a good player. HE'S NOT THE GOAT. And I've heard he was from too many people in the media. Let's end this right now, hopefully on a good note, and again thank you for keeping on a mature level. One question for you? Do you think Mike Trout is the goat of baseball? A simple yes or no?
No, that is still Ruth, or even your guy Mays.
But Trout can have a very, very good case made for him. I think he is solid top 5-7. Only 2-3 outfielders were better when all were at their peaks.
I think the best we have seen in our lifetime at their peak -- unless you are a good deal older than the average person on here.
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