First off, you wont find a bigger Halladay fan than me. The only jersey I wear during baseball season is his. I think he's the best in the game right now. I think a lot of people would tend to agree with me on that too. If we were to name some more top of the line starting pitchers, we'd be talking, in no particular order, Lincecum, King Felix, Sabathia, Oswalt, Lee, Wainwright, Lester. The usual bunch. Not often does anyone mention Tim Hudson.
I recently got my first baseball preview book of the year and was shocked at the numbers though.
If anything, there's a shit load of value available on Hudson. Numbers that are just as good as Halladay's....but no pub for it!
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First off, you wont find a bigger Halladay fan than me. The only jersey I wear during baseball season is his. I think he's the best in the game right now. I think a lot of people would tend to agree with me on that too. If we were to name some more top of the line starting pitchers, we'd be talking, in no particular order, Lincecum, King Felix, Sabathia, Oswalt, Lee, Wainwright, Lester. The usual bunch. Not often does anyone mention Tim Hudson.
I recently got my first baseball preview book of the year and was shocked at the numbers though.
Hudson has put up great numbers. And that Win/Loss record he has when getting at least 3 runs of support. But then it goes to that thing. Game 7 of a World Series...who would you take?
But also take into account that he has played in Oakland and Atlanta as opposed to Toronto, against the AL East.
Much respect to Hudson though.
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Hudson has put up great numbers. And that Win/Loss record he has when getting at least 3 runs of support. But then it goes to that thing. Game 7 of a World Series...who would you take?
But also take into account that he has played in Oakland and Atlanta as opposed to Toronto, against the AL East.
Your book did not explain why Hudson's accomplishments are so similar to Halladay's, even though he gets little attention. Sparky is right about exposure versus the AL East and then a very nice run with Phillie last year. All well and good and Roy is certainly one of the games top guns right now. The main reason Hudson is a winner and very, very hard to go against is not an attention getting statistic. It is his phenomenal GB/FB ratio, last year at 3.37:1, but that is not near as sexy as a big name strike out pitcher in a big market, although just as effective for our purposes.
Now and then even a BLIND squirrel can find an acorn
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Your book did not explain why Hudson's accomplishments are so similar to Halladay's, even though he gets little attention. Sparky is right about exposure versus the AL East and then a very nice run with Phillie last year. All well and good and Roy is certainly one of the games top guns right now. The main reason Hudson is a winner and very, very hard to go against is not an attention getting statistic. It is his phenomenal GB/FB ratio, last year at 3.37:1, but that is not near as sexy as a big name strike out pitcher in a big market, although just as effective for our purposes.
These numbers tell me how much of a work horse Halladay has been. His era, whip, CG, and shutouts are his best career numbers of any month, which really is amazing.
Hudson on the other hand, his win %, era, and whip in sept/oct are his worst career numbers of any month, showing while he is still good in sept/oct, his numbers do certainly drop off
One more oddball stat- Halladay has 17 Complete games in games he has lost, 17!! He's gotta be the active leader. Hudson has 3. Did not bring that stat up to compare just came acrossed it and was amazed by 17.
My opinion..Halladay is a lot better than Hudson, reason I say that is because Halladay has played 12 seasons in the American League to Hudson's 6. And while certainly Hudson performed well while in the AL, Halladay did it twice as long and like Sparky said against that tough AL East division. I think if Halladay had only 6 seasons in the AL and the rest in the NL like Hudson, his numbers would be far superior.
That being said hopefully we get to see these two go head to head a couple times this seasons, can't wait
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nice thread, presents an interesting arguement. I think most people would be willing to say halladay is the better pitcher, myself included.
These numbers tell me how much of a work horse Halladay has been. His era, whip, CG, and shutouts are his best career numbers of any month, which really is amazing.
Hudson on the other hand, his win %, era, and whip in sept/oct are his worst career numbers of any month, showing while he is still good in sept/oct, his numbers do certainly drop off
One more oddball stat- Halladay has 17 Complete games in games he has lost, 17!! He's gotta be the active leader. Hudson has 3. Did not bring that stat up to compare just came acrossed it and was amazed by 17.
My opinion..Halladay is a lot better than Hudson, reason I say that is because Halladay has played 12 seasons in the American League to Hudson's 6. And while certainly Hudson performed well while in the AL, Halladay did it twice as long and like Sparky said against that tough AL East division. I think if Halladay had only 6 seasons in the AL and the rest in the NL like Hudson, his numbers would be far superior.
That being said hopefully we get to see these two go head to head a couple times this seasons, can't wait
Does anyone know a site where you can get split stats of a pitcher vs a certain division? This case I was trying to find both Hudson's and Halladay's career numbers vs the AL East but couldn't find it.
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Does anyone know a site where you can get split stats of a pitcher vs a certain division? This case I was trying to find both Hudson's and Halladay's career numbers vs the AL East but couldn't find it.
Does anyone know a site where you can get split stats of a pitcher vs a certain division? This case I was trying to find both Hudson's and Halladay's career numbers vs the AL East but couldn't find it.
I don't know either, but it may not be all that significant. Halladay's stat base would be much larger and far more current, only one year out of the division. Hudson's stat base would be dominated by fewer and far older matchups. Not really a good comparative basis. Still, our problem is not a career vs career type thing, it is what can happen on any given day, under the given circumstances. Neither is going to make your go-against list and anytime they matchup the rest of the pertinent factors will come into play. If both teams have the success I expect them to it would probably be a game I had no investment in, except maybe a small play on the under.
Now and then even a BLIND squirrel can find an acorn
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Quote Originally Posted by yeayea77:
Does anyone know a site where you can get split stats of a pitcher vs a certain division? This case I was trying to find both Hudson's and Halladay's career numbers vs the AL East but couldn't find it.
I don't know either, but it may not be all that significant. Halladay's stat base would be much larger and far more current, only one year out of the division. Hudson's stat base would be dominated by fewer and far older matchups. Not really a good comparative basis. Still, our problem is not a career vs career type thing, it is what can happen on any given day, under the given circumstances. Neither is going to make your go-against list and anytime they matchup the rest of the pertinent factors will come into play. If both teams have the success I expect them to it would probably be a game I had no investment in, except maybe a small play on the under.
Does anyone know a site where you can get split stats of a pitcher vs a certain division? This case I was trying to find both Hudson's and Halladay's career numbers vs the AL East but couldn't find it.
Adding them up myself...
Halladay - 64-37 3.60 era Hudson - 20-15 3.76 era
If you look what they did in the toughest atmosphere (Yankee Stadium and Fenway Park)
Halladay - 14-14 3.79 era Hudson - 1-7 6.52 era (3 quality starts out of 12)
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Quote Originally Posted by yeayea77:
Does anyone know a site where you can get split stats of a pitcher vs a certain division? This case I was trying to find both Hudson's and Halladay's career numbers vs the AL East but couldn't find it.
Adding them up myself...
Halladay - 64-37 3.60 era Hudson - 20-15 3.76 era
If you look what they did in the toughest atmosphere (Yankee Stadium and Fenway Park)
Halladay - 14-14 3.79 era Hudson - 1-7 6.52 era (3 quality starts out of 12)
look at the Strikeout numbers Halladay has to be way ahead in this catagory
Such a flashy stat. Halladay can get the big strikeout if needed but can also get the double play when needed. Hudson is strictly a ground ball pitcher...striking out batters is great and all...but it's not the most important thing for a pitcher.
I love sinkerballers. Just look at Wang's two 19 win seasons with the Yankees. 3.1 K/9 and 4.7 K/9. Didn't stop him from being affective.
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Quote Originally Posted by NewDarkDay:
look at the Strikeout numbers Halladay has to be way ahead in this catagory
Such a flashy stat. Halladay can get the big strikeout if needed but can also get the double play when needed. Hudson is strictly a ground ball pitcher...striking out batters is great and all...but it's not the most important thing for a pitcher.
I love sinkerballers. Just look at Wang's two 19 win seasons with the Yankees. 3.1 K/9 and 4.7 K/9. Didn't stop him from being affective.
Andruw Jones would probably start in your lame 2011 outfield, I suggest you get a picture of him in a braves uniform and use it as your sign on picture.
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Andruw Jones would probably start in your lame 2011 outfield, I suggest you get a picture of him in a braves uniform and use it as your sign on picture.
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