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    KeyElement
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2013 - 2:48 PM ET #1

    Unless you are into all the doping news or last of the free agent signings the news right now is a little slim for both volume and substance quality. Let’s have a little fun. Remember what that is?

    ESPN, the big bad world wide leader in sports misinformation (the network that hired SJP) has announced it will televise eight Grapefruit League games in March. Isn’t that just about what you would expect from the boys in Bristol? Yet another heavy does of East Coast bias and accolades from Peter Gammons about the unbeatable teams there, as if we don’t get enough of that right here on the pages of Covers.

    Just my humble opinion you understand but I think the heavy concentration of population and gambling fever of the East Coast and Sunbelt, coupled with a heavy dose of games (MLB will do the same) will have a substantial impact on the general publics wagering in April. The public will, as always, create its own “traps” and jump in with all the ammunition available (bankroll).

    My forecast therefore is that the AL East and NL East will have the lowest return on investment of all divisions versus inter-divisional competition. The public, and the Covers Community, will buy the hype, drink the Kool-Aid, and go down in flames versus inflated lines.

    If that should occur we will see the greatest ever explosion in “traps” and “fixed games”, at least according to the “Covers Community”. Inside the box thinking, agreeing with all your buddies in this forum, will never make you a dime and may seriously deplete your bankroll.

    Now and then even a BLIND squirrel can find an acorn
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    Unless you are into all the doping news or last of the free agent signings the news right now is a little slim for both volume and substance quality. Let’s have a little fun. Remember what that is?

    ESPN, the big bad world wide leader in sports misinformation (the network that hired SJP) has announced it will televise eight Grapefruit League games in March. Isn’t that just about what you would expect from the boys in Bristol? Yet another heavy does of East Coast bias and accolades from Peter Gammons about the unbeatable teams there, as if we don’t get enough of that right here on the pages of Covers.

    Just my humble opinion you understand but I think the heavy concentration of population and gambling fever of the East Coast and Sunbelt, coupled with a heavy dose of games (MLB will do the same) will have a substantial impact on the general publics wagering in April. The public will, as always, create its own “traps” and jump in with all the ammunition available (bankroll).

    My forecast therefore is that the AL East and NL East will have the lowest return on investment of all divisions versus inter-divisional competition. The public, and the Covers Community, will buy the hype, drink the Kool-Aid, and go down in flames versus inflated lines.

    If that should occur we will see the greatest ever explosion in “traps” and “fixed games”, at least according to the “Covers Community”. Inside the box thinking, agreeing with all your buddies in this forum, will never make you a dime and may seriously deplete your bankroll.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2013 - 3:27 PM ET #2

    Key - Do you think Baltimore will be given more respect this year? Maybe respect isn't the right word. But, similar lines to last year or close to it?
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    Key - Do you think Baltimore will be given more respect this year? Maybe respect isn't the right word. But, similar lines to last year or close to it?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2013 - 3:33 PM ET #3

    As I have dug in deeply into the upcoming season, my off the cuff response is I think I agree with you for sure with AL East. Reasonably looking at the teams the Yankees are not the Almighty, the Red Sox have many questions, The Orioles were everyone's darling last year and ripe for a regression, the Jays depend on how their pitching plays out and the Rays are the Rays they will find a way to be in the mix. The NL East however the top two of Washington and Atlanta have nice balance in my early opinion and very well may be good deserving squads. Prices might be out of control and picking spots with them will be crucial, as with any team that will be getting public love.  Phillies are perhaps the best example of potential of Jim Jones Kool Aid. I don't think anyone expects much of the Mets or the farce in South Florida.
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    As I have dug in deeply into the upcoming season, my off the cuff response is I think I agree with you for sure with AL East. Reasonably looking at the teams the Yankees are not the Almighty, the Red Sox have many questions, The Orioles were everyone's darling last year and ripe for a regression, the Jays depend on how their pitching plays out and the Rays are the Rays they will find a way to be in the mix. The NL East however the top two of Washington and Atlanta have nice balance in my early opinion and very well may be good deserving squads. Prices might be out of control and picking spots with them will be crucial, as with any team that will be getting public love.  Phillies are perhaps the best example of potential of Jim Jones Kool Aid. I don't think anyone expects much of the Mets or the farce in South Florida.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2013 - 4:06 PM ET #4

    Baltimore will probably get more early respect, but I see regression for good reason. It is highly unlikely they can win as many one run and extra inning games as they did last year. I also think the whole division was over valued and have to ask, just how good were the O's and Yankees last year? If they had not played each other in the playoffs it is possible neither one of them would have a playoff win.

    The NL East could be the worst Kool Aid division of them all. Basically the Nats and Braves still have to win with pitching and Phillie (potentially) has as much as they do. Mets and Marlins will have their moments, but those are not the teams bettors are looking to back anyway. To win at all you have to know the game you are playing and it ain't baseball. Your opponent is the betting publics perceived value of the teams you are betting against. If you agree with this forum, that the two Eastern divisions have all the big bad behind teams you are going to lay juice disproportionate to the true probability of winning.
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    Baltimore will probably get more early respect, but I see regression for good reason. It is highly unlikely they can win as many one run and extra inning games as they did last year. I also think the whole division was over valued and have to ask, just how good were the O's and Yankees last year? If they had not played each other in the playoffs it is possible neither one of them would have a playoff win.

    The NL East could be the worst Kool Aid division of them all. Basically the Nats and Braves still have to win with pitching and Phillie (potentially) has as much as they do. Mets and Marlins will have their moments, but those are not the teams bettors are looking to back anyway. To win at all you have to know the game you are playing and it ain't baseball. Your opponent is the betting publics perceived value of the teams you are betting against. If you agree with this forum, that the two Eastern divisions have all the big bad behind teams you are going to lay juice disproportionate to the true probability of winning.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2013 - 4:31 PM ET #5

    I think you could probably safely add the Dodgers to the early inflated line list and possibly Oakland....thoughts?
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    I think you could probably safely add the Dodgers to the early inflated line list and possibly Oakland....thoughts?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2013 - 4:52 PM ET #6

    Dodgers could be over valued in the same way the Angels were last year, big bucks for high profile players, but I don't think bettors ever look at Oakland as a successful franchise and usually write off a good season as "they just got lucky". We may still get some good value there.
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    Dodgers could be over valued in the same way the Angels were last year, big bucks for high profile players, but I don't think bettors ever look at Oakland as a successful franchise and usually write off a good season as "they just got lucky". We may still get some good value there.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 5, 2013 - 1:01 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    Unless you are into all the doping news or last of the free agent signings the news right now is a little slim for both volume and substance quality. Let’s have a little fun. Remember what that is?

    ESPN, the big bad world wide leader in sports misinformation (the network that hired SJP) has announced it will televise eight Grapefruit League games in March. Isn’t that just about what you would expect from the boys in Bristol? Yet another heavy does of East Coast bias and accolades from Peter Gammons about the unbeatable teams there, as if we don’t get enough of that right here on the pages of Covers.

    Just my humble opinion you understand but I think the heavy concentration of population and gambling fever of the East Coast and Sunbelt, coupled with a heavy dose of games (MLB will do the same) will have a substantial impact on the general publics wagering in April. The public will, as always, create its own “traps” and jump in with all the ammunition available (bankroll).

    My forecast therefore is that the AL East and NL East will have the lowest return on investment of all divisions versus inter-divisional competition. The public, and the Covers Community, will buy the hype, drink the Kool-Aid, and go down in flames versus inflated lines.

    If that should occur we will see the greatest ever explosion in “traps” and “fixed games”, at least according to the “Covers Community”. Inside the box thinking, agreeing with all your buddies in this forum, will never make you a dime and may seriously deplete your bankroll.



    I couldn't agree more. ESPN comes out with its top 10 plays of the day, before West Coast games even start. I have a feeling that ESPN headquarters will end up in Texas...Sooner than later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    Unless you are into all the doping news or last of the free agent signings the news right now is a little slim for both volume and substance quality. Let’s have a little fun. Remember what that is?

    ESPN, the big bad world wide leader in sports misinformation (the network that hired SJP) has announced it will televise eight Grapefruit League games in March. Isn’t that just about what you would expect from the boys in Bristol? Yet another heavy does of East Coast bias and accolades from Peter Gammons about the unbeatable teams there, as if we don’t get enough of that right here on the pages of Covers.

    Just my humble opinion you understand but I think the heavy concentration of population and gambling fever of the East Coast and Sunbelt, coupled with a heavy dose of games (MLB will do the same) will have a substantial impact on the general publics wagering in April. The public will, as always, create its own “traps” and jump in with all the ammunition available (bankroll).

    My forecast therefore is that the AL East and NL East will have the lowest return on investment of all divisions versus inter-divisional competition. The public, and the Covers Community, will buy the hype, drink the Kool-Aid, and go down in flames versus inflated lines.

    If that should occur we will see the greatest ever explosion in “traps” and “fixed games”, at least according to the “Covers Community”. Inside the box thinking, agreeing with all your buddies in this forum, will never make you a dime and may seriously deplete your bankroll.



    I couldn't agree more. ESPN comes out with its top 10 plays of the day, before West Coast games even start. I have a feeling that ESPN headquarters will end up in Texas...Sooner than later.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 5, 2013 - 11:49 AM ET #8

    And if you type sh1t on covers, it auto corrects to garbage. Last time I checked, that was a Boston thing..
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    And if you type sh1t on covers, it auto corrects to garbage. Last time I checked, that was a Boston thing..
     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2013 - 8:26 AM ET #9

    Royals might have some value.

    Agreed that AL East will be overvalued. I only saw 1 90-win team on AL East and that is Jays. NL East is different tho since i perceived that Nats and Braves is strong and considering both coming from heart breaking postseason i think they have motivation to repeat last year success.

    i will play AL West RL chase vs Astros, unless the line doesnt make sense.
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    Royals might have some value.

    Agreed that AL East will be overvalued. I only saw 1 90-win team on AL East and that is Jays. NL East is different tho since i perceived that Nats and Braves is strong and considering both coming from heart breaking postseason i think they have motivation to repeat last year success.

    i will play AL West RL chase vs Astros, unless the line doesnt make sense.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2013 - 12:35 PM ET #10

    I don't contend anyone won't contend, Like Washington and Atlanta (or Toronto). What I am saying is that they and others teams in the AL East and NL East will be overvalued. This goes back to the perceived concept that since they are going to be winners any amount of juice is acceptable. That is just not so.
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    I don't contend anyone won't contend, Like Washington and Atlanta (or Toronto). What I am saying is that they and others teams in the AL East and NL East will be overvalued. This goes back to the perceived concept that since they are going to be winners any amount of juice is acceptable. That is just not so.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2013 - 2:20 PM ET #11

    Oakland will always be underrated.....not sure why.
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    Oakland will always be underrated.....not sure why.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2013 - 12:59 AM ET #12

    This could finally be the year of the Ratties.  I lose a few bucks a year on that prop.  Dodgers are fetching a lousy price, but this is their year. 
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    This could finally be the year of the Ratties.  I lose a few bucks a year on that prop.  Dodgers are fetching a lousy price, but this is their year. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    Unless you are into all the doping news or last of the free agent signings the news right now is a little slim for both volume and substance quality. Let’s have a little fun. Remember what that is?

    ESPN, the big bad world wide leader in sports misinformation (the network that hired SJP) has announced it will televise eight Grapefruit League games in March. Isn’t that just about what you would expect from the boys in Bristol? Yet another heavy does of East Coast bias and accolades from Peter Gammons about the unbeatable teams there, as if we don’t get enough of that right here on the pages of Covers.

    Just my humble opinion you understand but I think the heavy concentration of population and gambling fever of the East Coast and Sunbelt, coupled with a heavy dose of games (MLB will do the same) will have a substantial impact on the general publics wagering in April. The public will, as always, create its own “traps” and jump in with all the ammunition available (bankroll).

    My forecast therefore is that the AL East and NL East will have the lowest return on investment of all divisions versus inter-divisional competition. The public, and the Covers Community, will buy the hype, drink the Kool-Aid, and go down in flames versus inflated lines.

    If that should occur we will see the greatest ever explosion in “traps” and “fixed games”, at least according to the “Covers Community”. Inside the box thinking, agreeing with all your buddies in this forum, will never make you a dime and may seriously deplete your bankroll.


    And this is why I love reading your stuff. You're one of few people I've seen post and actual understanding of this concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    Unless you are into all the doping news or last of the free agent signings the news right now is a little slim for both volume and substance quality. Let’s have a little fun. Remember what that is?

    ESPN, the big bad world wide leader in sports misinformation (the network that hired SJP) has announced it will televise eight Grapefruit League games in March. Isn’t that just about what you would expect from the boys in Bristol? Yet another heavy does of East Coast bias and accolades from Peter Gammons about the unbeatable teams there, as if we don’t get enough of that right here on the pages of Covers.

    Just my humble opinion you understand but I think the heavy concentration of population and gambling fever of the East Coast and Sunbelt, coupled with a heavy dose of games (MLB will do the same) will have a substantial impact on the general publics wagering in April. The public will, as always, create its own “traps” and jump in with all the ammunition available (bankroll).

    My forecast therefore is that the AL East and NL East will have the lowest return on investment of all divisions versus inter-divisional competition. The public, and the Covers Community, will buy the hype, drink the Kool-Aid, and go down in flames versus inflated lines.

    If that should occur we will see the greatest ever explosion in “traps” and “fixed games”, at least according to the “Covers Community”. Inside the box thinking, agreeing with all your buddies in this forum, will never make you a dime and may seriously deplete your bankroll.


    And this is why I love reading your stuff. You're one of few people I've seen post and actual understanding of this concept.
     
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    Awesome read Key Always appreciate and respect your opinion.
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    Awesome read Key Always appreciate and respect your opinion.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    Baltimore will probably get more early respect, but I see regression for good reason. It is highly unlikely they can win as many one run and extra inning games as they did last year. I also think the whole division was over valued and have to ask, just how good were the O's and Yankees last year? If they had not played each other in the playoffs it is possible neither one of them would have a playoff win.

    The NL East could be the worst Kool Aid division of them all. Basically the Nats and Braves still have to win with pitching and Phillie (potentially) has as much as they do. Mets and Marlins will have their moments, but those are not the teams bettors are looking to back anyway. To win at all you have to know the game you are playing and it ain't baseball. Your opponent is the betting publics perceived value of the teams you are betting against. If you agree with this forum, that the two Eastern divisions have all the big bad behind teams you are going to lay juice disproportionate to the true probability of winning.


    Baltimore beat the Rangers in the playoffs to play the Yankees.

    Baltimore was 48-29  and +43 Run differential in the 2nd half of the year after sorting through all their players and establishing a 25 man roster with a defined pitching rotation and everyday lineup card.

    If you take from when Manny was called up they were 33-18 with a +54 Run differential.

    Their record vs teams .500 or better was 44-43 (91 games vs .500 or better teams)

    Yankees: 9-9
    Rays: 10-8
    Tigers: 3-3
    White Sox: 6-2
    Rangers: 2-5
    Angels: 2-7
    A's: 4-5
    Nats: 4-2
    Braves: 2-1
    Phillies: 2-1

    They were 49-26 vs teams under .500

    Jays: 11-7
    Sox: 13-5
    Twins: 5-2
    Royals: 5-4
    Indians: 4-4
    Mariners: 8-1
    Mets: 0-3
    Pirates: 3-0

    Once they got their team in order and didnt have to keep shuffling guys in and out they played over .620 baseball which is extremely good. Thats not a fluke and I think Baltimore will still have value next year because the public will see they did close to nothing in acquisition this off season and will view last year as a "fluke".

    There are no flukes in baseball and a 162 game season and just as the public thought the Rays were a fluke after their first year the Orioles will prove to be competitive team once again next year. They most likely wont win 93 games again because a lot of AL teams, especially the Jays, have gotten better but the O's will still be over a .500 team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    Baltimore will probably get more early respect, but I see regression for good reason. It is highly unlikely they can win as many one run and extra inning games as they did last year. I also think the whole division was over valued and have to ask, just how good were the O's and Yankees last year? If they had not played each other in the playoffs it is possible neither one of them would have a playoff win.

    The NL East could be the worst Kool Aid division of them all. Basically the Nats and Braves still have to win with pitching and Phillie (potentially) has as much as they do. Mets and Marlins will have their moments, but those are not the teams bettors are looking to back anyway. To win at all you have to know the game you are playing and it ain't baseball. Your opponent is the betting publics perceived value of the teams you are betting against. If you agree with this forum, that the two Eastern divisions have all the big bad behind teams you are going to lay juice disproportionate to the true probability of winning.


    Baltimore beat the Rangers in the playoffs to play the Yankees.

    Baltimore was 48-29  and +43 Run differential in the 2nd half of the year after sorting through all their players and establishing a 25 man roster with a defined pitching rotation and everyday lineup card.

    If you take from when Manny was called up they were 33-18 with a +54 Run differential.

    Their record vs teams .500 or better was 44-43 (91 games vs .500 or better teams)

    Yankees: 9-9
    Rays: 10-8
    Tigers: 3-3
    White Sox: 6-2
    Rangers: 2-5
    Angels: 2-7
    A's: 4-5
    Nats: 4-2
    Braves: 2-1
    Phillies: 2-1

    They were 49-26 vs teams under .500

    Jays: 11-7
    Sox: 13-5
    Twins: 5-2
    Royals: 5-4
    Indians: 4-4
    Mariners: 8-1
    Mets: 0-3
    Pirates: 3-0

    Once they got their team in order and didnt have to keep shuffling guys in and out they played over .620 baseball which is extremely good. Thats not a fluke and I think Baltimore will still have value next year because the public will see they did close to nothing in acquisition this off season and will view last year as a "fluke".

    There are no flukes in baseball and a 162 game season and just as the public thought the Rays were a fluke after their first year the Orioles will prove to be competitive team once again next year. They most likely wont win 93 games again because a lot of AL teams, especially the Jays, have gotten better but the O's will still be over a .500 team.
     
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    There are teams that are going to underachieve.

    There are teams that are going to overachieve.

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    There are teams that are going to underachieve.

    There are teams that are going to overachieve.

    Smart gamblers appreciate both.
     
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    jpero; I would expect no less from the #1 Orioles apologist on Covers. Opinion is what it is.
    Thanx,



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    jpero; I would expect no less from the #1 Orioles apologist on Covers. Opinion is what it is.
    Thanx,



     
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    Posted: Feb. 13, 2013 - 5:04 PM ET #18

    so you refuse to acknowledge that had aover a .600 winning percentage with a set rotation and a everyday lineup set.

    that says all that needs to be said
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    so you refuse to acknowledge that had aover a .600 winning percentage with a set rotation and a everyday lineup set.

    that says all that needs to be said
     
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    Baltimore win total set at 76.5 ,that kind of backs up Key's and my thoughts about a Baltimore regression.  I enjoyed the O's last year and was glad to see them have success, but sustaining that success is going I be difficult for them this year.
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    Baltimore win total set at 76.5 ,that kind of backs up Key's and my thoughts about a Baltimore regression.  I enjoyed the O's last year and was glad to see them have success, but sustaining that success is going I be difficult for them this year.
     
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    putting 5 units on the over.

    way you'll low puddles won't win 93 games but they will be over 500...

    Baja up my point the public week view them as a fluke just as they did the rays the year after they win all those games. the rays were undervalued the following year and it wasn't till after that season the public and books started taking them seriously
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    putting 5 units on the over.

    way you'll low puddles won't win 93 games but they will be over 500...

    Baja up my point the public week view them as a fluke just as they did the rays the year after they win all those games. the rays were undervalued the following year and it wasn't till after that season the public and books started taking them seriously
     
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    jpero; Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't fail to acknowledge anything, fool. I expressed an opinion, as did you. Either of us may or may not be right, but last year is not necessarily indicative of this year and in pimping the Orioles for the last five years you have been right only once, so your opinion certainly is not carved in stone and brought down from Mt. Sinai. Apparently others suspect regression just as I do because the Orioles are very high in payoff odds to win the division, the league, and the World Series. Speaking of acknowledging things, why don't you acknowledge that the Orioles record in one run and extra inning games was rather phenomenal and not likely to be repeated. That was a major reason for the win percents you are so proud of. Let me repeat,

    DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH, now stfu.
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    jpero; Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't fail to acknowledge anything, fool. I expressed an opinion, as did you. Either of us may or may not be right, but last year is not necessarily indicative of this year and in pimping the Orioles for the last five years you have been right only once, so your opinion certainly is not carved in stone and brought down from Mt. Sinai. Apparently others suspect regression just as I do because the Orioles are very high in payoff odds to win the division, the league, and the World Series. Speaking of acknowledging things, why don't you acknowledge that the Orioles record in one run and extra inning games was rather phenomenal and not likely to be repeated. That was a major reason for the win percents you are so proud of. Let me repeat,

    DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH, now stfu.
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    You shut the duck up you ass clown. I haven't pumped the puddles for 5 years fat your facts straight.

    You clearly said they didn't win a playoff game then said they weren't as good as their record.

    I said 4 years ago the Orioles would lose 100 games, how's that pimping?

    I said in 3 years they would be a force to be reckon with unfortunately I was 1 year off because 4 of 9 starters got United along with 3 starting pitchers. so don't even try saying I've been pumping then for 5 years.

    You are feeling on 1 run games and extra inning yet the Orioles had one of the best bullpens in the entire majors and they still have that bullpen. that is why they won those games not luck add you pretend. they outlasted their opponents have superior pitching at the end of games and deeper into games that obviously showed their strength and expose the opponents weakness

    and Vegas could give a shit about what they really think a team will do. it's all all all about getting equal action on both sides such proves my point which you have once again overlooked. THE PUBLIC ( YOU ARE PRIME EXAMPLE) VIEW THE ORIOLES AS A FLUKE AND THERE Will BE VALUE IN THEN JUST LIKE THE RATS IN THEIR 2ND YEAR OF DOING WELL.

    a team aliens the first half of the year using 60 different players trying to find the right combination and then when they set their lineup and pitching and play over .600 ball it means nothing. but you buy the athletics and d backs.

    I already said the Orioles will regress, show nd where I haven't said such. You haven't brought one . Iota of information to this conversation to back up anything you say.

    anyone who works or is involved in baseball will tell you there is no such thing as luck in a162 game season. maybe you should go to spring training in zona and talk to some baseball people if you want to continue to disregard what I'm saying
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    You shut the duck up you ass clown. I haven't pumped the puddles for 5 years fat your facts straight.

    You clearly said they didn't win a playoff game then said they weren't as good as their record.

    I said 4 years ago the Orioles would lose 100 games, how's that pimping?

    I said in 3 years they would be a force to be reckon with unfortunately I was 1 year off because 4 of 9 starters got United along with 3 starting pitchers. so don't even try saying I've been pumping then for 5 years.

    You are feeling on 1 run games and extra inning yet the Orioles had one of the best bullpens in the entire majors and they still have that bullpen. that is why they won those games not luck add you pretend. they outlasted their opponents have superior pitching at the end of games and deeper into games that obviously showed their strength and expose the opponents weakness

    and Vegas could give a shit about what they really think a team will do. it's all all all about getting equal action on both sides such proves my point which you have once again overlooked. THE PUBLIC ( YOU ARE PRIME EXAMPLE) VIEW THE ORIOLES AS A FLUKE AND THERE Will BE VALUE IN THEN JUST LIKE THE RATS IN THEIR 2ND YEAR OF DOING WELL.

    a team aliens the first half of the year using 60 different players trying to find the right combination and then when they set their lineup and pitching and play over .600 ball it means nothing. but you buy the athletics and d backs.

    I already said the Orioles will regress, show nd where I haven't said such. You haven't brought one . Iota of information to this conversation to back up anything you say.

    anyone who works or is involved in baseball will tell you there is no such thing as luck in a162 game season. maybe you should go to spring training in zona and talk to some baseball people if you want to continue to disregard what I'm saying
     
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    I never put words in your mouth learn to read and comprehend. I said you refuse to acknowledge I didn't say you said... and my statement still holds true. try telling me how the Orioles team in the first half of the year resembled it from July 9 to the end of the season.

    once you do that you should prepare a nice dish of crow to eat
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    I never put words in your mouth learn to read and comprehend. I said you refuse to acknowledge I didn't say you said... and my statement still holds true. try telling me how the Orioles team in the first half of the year resembled it from July 9 to the end of the season.

    once you do that you should prepare a nice dish of crow to eat
     
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    You clearly have no idea how improved the Orioles became defensively offensively and pitching wise.

    Manny takes over at 3rd, terrific defense instead of Betemit and Reynolds.

    Nate in LF instead of Chavez and Chris Davis

    Tillman in the rotation along with gonzo.
    Chen another year later and better adjusted. Jason Hamel pitched great even though injuredlast year should have similar success maybe do a little worse

    Bundy and gausman Will be available.

    markakis back from injury that hurt the Orioles down the stretch and playoffs.

    reimold back healthy will add pop and another weapon. Brian Roberts claims he is 100% we will soon see.

    the Orioles didn't have to make many moves this off season because they already had their pieces
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    You clearly have no idea how improved the Orioles became defensively offensively and pitching wise.

    Manny takes over at 3rd, terrific defense instead of Betemit and Reynolds.

    Nate in LF instead of Chavez and Chris Davis

    Tillman in the rotation along with gonzo.
    Chen another year later and better adjusted. Jason Hamel pitched great even though injuredlast year should have similar success maybe do a little worse

    Bundy and gausman Will be available.

    markakis back from injury that hurt the Orioles down the stretch and playoffs.

    reimold back healthy will add pop and another weapon. Brian Roberts claims he is 100% we will soon see.

    the Orioles didn't have to make many moves this off season because they already had their pieces
     
     
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    You sir, jpero, clearly don't have any idea what anyone is talking about. All you seem to know is that if the entire forum does not want to bow down to your almighty Orioles and your personal opinion of them you have to jump into a thread and set things aright. I never at any time did not refuse to acknowledge what the Orioles did at any time last year. That was not the point or intent of the thread or discussion. And, what they did last year (at any point) is not necessarily a solid harbinger of what they will do this year, nor can you deny that their success in one run and extra inning games was far above average normalcy and two of their stats that are not likely to repeat themselves.

    Face it man, when it comes to the Orioles you have a head as thick and dense as the Rock Of Gibraltar, with absolutely no objectivity at all. When I call you an Orioles apologist I am right on, and anyone with 3 or 4 years experience in this forum knows it.
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    You sir, jpero, clearly don't have any idea what anyone is talking about. All you seem to know is that if the entire forum does not want to bow down to your almighty Orioles and your personal opinion of them you have to jump into a thread and set things aright. I never at any time did not refuse to acknowledge what the Orioles did at any time last year. That was not the point or intent of the thread or discussion. And, what they did last year (at any point) is not necessarily a solid harbinger of what they will do this year, nor can you deny that their success in one run and extra inning games was far above average normalcy and two of their stats that are not likely to repeat themselves.

    Face it man, when it comes to the Orioles you have a head as thick and dense as the Rock Of Gibraltar, with absolutely no objectivity at all. When I call you an Orioles apologist I am right on, and anyone with 3 or 4 years experience in this forum knows it.
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