That's the one thing I've openly asked Si1ly about. I pointed out the disparity between Nova and Buchholz yesterday (which the results proved) and I have to agree with you here. There's absolutely no reason for Felix not to be in the top 30 pitchers of the past 30 days. I know he incorporates a lot of advanced metrics into the equation but maybe the formula could use a bit of tweaking.
King Felix has been lights out.. I don't know why his advanced stats aren't holding up to his recent success. FYI, Felix's perfect game is not included in the top 30 report. I know one reason he's not in the top 30 prior to his start against Tampa and that's his K% and BB% which were both below league average. I would imagine he'll slide into the top 30 the next time I run the rankings.
As for Buchholz and Nova. Clay gave up 3 earned runs to Baltimore's offense (ranked in the bottom 5) and Nova gave up 4 earned runs to Texas' offense (ranked in the top 5). Their performances were not all that dissimilar.
One thing people need to know about the rankings is they're strictly quantitative. I do not move around the players based on my personal preferences. They're power ranked according to how they perform versus league average in major pitching categories, like the advanced ERA-scaled predictors as well as K and BB rates and batted ball peripherals. Obviously I would give a personal boost to Felix and Buchholz in my power rankings, but that's not the point of why I publish them. They're generated largely using predictor metrics so they're more like a power ranking of expected future performance, not a power ranking of how they performed over the last 30 days. Does that make sense?
It's important to bring up points like this because these types of quality judgement improve the overall utility of the quantitative power rankings that I publish.
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Quote Originally Posted by sicknesscity:
That's the one thing I've openly asked Si1ly about. I pointed out the disparity between Nova and Buchholz yesterday (which the results proved) and I have to agree with you here. There's absolutely no reason for Felix not to be in the top 30 pitchers of the past 30 days. I know he incorporates a lot of advanced metrics into the equation but maybe the formula could use a bit of tweaking.
King Felix has been lights out.. I don't know why his advanced stats aren't holding up to his recent success. FYI, Felix's perfect game is not included in the top 30 report. I know one reason he's not in the top 30 prior to his start against Tampa and that's his K% and BB% which were both below league average. I would imagine he'll slide into the top 30 the next time I run the rankings.
As for Buchholz and Nova. Clay gave up 3 earned runs to Baltimore's offense (ranked in the bottom 5) and Nova gave up 4 earned runs to Texas' offense (ranked in the top 5). Their performances were not all that dissimilar.
One thing people need to know about the rankings is they're strictly quantitative. I do not move around the players based on my personal preferences. They're power ranked according to how they perform versus league average in major pitching categories, like the advanced ERA-scaled predictors as well as K and BB rates and batted ball peripherals. Obviously I would give a personal boost to Felix and Buchholz in my power rankings, but that's not the point of why I publish them. They're generated largely using predictor metrics so they're more like a power ranking of expected future performance, not a power ranking of how they performed over the last 30 days. Does that make sense?
It's important to bring up points like this because these types of quality judgement improve the overall utility of the quantitative power rankings that I publish.
just curious, how can u possibly have JA HAPP in the top 30 for the last month and cole hamels not in the top 30
happ has made just 2 starts in the last month and has given up 8 earned runs in 10 innings pitched...
hamels has picthed back to back complete game shutouts, before that he had given up 11 earned runs in his previous 4 starts, 27 innings pitched
would like to know where some of your numbers come from because some of them look completely outrageous
Happ's lack of sample size makes his recent performance statistically insignificant. He probably shouldn't be ranked that high, but that's just the way it is using the advanced metrics. He'll probably slip out of the rankings after the data from his next start is included. Cole Hamels is just outside the top 30, again his advanced metrics are just not good enough to squeeze through, but he's been great, I'd probably consider him as pitching on an elite level right now regardless of his place in the power rankings.
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Quote Originally Posted by raffchfd:
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just curious, how can u possibly have JA HAPP in the top 30 for the last month and cole hamels not in the top 30
happ has made just 2 starts in the last month and has given up 8 earned runs in 10 innings pitched...
hamels has picthed back to back complete game shutouts, before that he had given up 11 earned runs in his previous 4 starts, 27 innings pitched
would like to know where some of your numbers come from because some of them look completely outrageous
Happ's lack of sample size makes his recent performance statistically insignificant. He probably shouldn't be ranked that high, but that's just the way it is using the advanced metrics. He'll probably slip out of the rankings after the data from his next start is included. Cole Hamels is just outside the top 30, again his advanced metrics are just not good enough to squeeze through, but he's been great, I'd probably consider him as pitching on an elite level right now regardless of his place in the power rankings.
I cannot find the value on Detroit. Dbacks RL or -1 looks good.
There's no value in Detroit, I'm just using them as a fair value multiplier in my parlay to reduce the juice on Zona's moneyline. Like many baseball gamblers out there, I will tie some of my card to Verlander's success. Usually not a smart thing to do, but I like my chances this time.
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Quote Originally Posted by Donnie_Baseball:
I cannot find the value on Detroit. Dbacks RL or -1 looks good.
There's no value in Detroit, I'm just using them as a fair value multiplier in my parlay to reduce the juice on Zona's moneyline. Like many baseball gamblers out there, I will tie some of my card to Verlander's success. Usually not a smart thing to do, but I like my chances this time.
I manufactured the line last night when my book opened. The moneyline opened at -175 and the runline opened at +105. I placed $256.10 on the moneyline and $146.34 on the run line. Together I'm risking $402.44 to win $300... which is technically -134 but I rounded up when I posted the play. If Arizona wins by 1, the winnings on the moneyline cancel the amount risked on the runline. Manufacturing your own -1 lines will always save you a little juice.
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Quote Originally Posted by Donnie_Baseball:
Where was Dbacks -1 -135 available?
I manufactured the line last night when my book opened. The moneyline opened at -175 and the runline opened at +105. I placed $256.10 on the moneyline and $146.34 on the run line. Together I'm risking $402.44 to win $300... which is technically -134 but I rounded up when I posted the play. If Arizona wins by 1, the winnings on the moneyline cancel the amount risked on the runline. Manufacturing your own -1 lines will always save you a little juice.
I manufactured the line last night when my book opened. The moneyline opened at -175 and the runline opened at +105. I placed $256.10 on the moneyline and $146.34 on the run line. Together I'm risking $402.44 to win $300... which is technically -134 but I rounded up when I posted the play. If Arizona wins by 1, the winnings on the moneyline cancel the amount risked on the runline. Manufacturing your own -1 lines will always save you a little juice.
haha I know man. I always make my own and all that. I didn't realize that the run line opened at +105. Nice buy, I'm still gettin on it at the current price.
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Quote Originally Posted by si1ly:
I manufactured the line last night when my book opened. The moneyline opened at -175 and the runline opened at +105. I placed $256.10 on the moneyline and $146.34 on the run line. Together I'm risking $402.44 to win $300... which is technically -134 but I rounded up when I posted the play. If Arizona wins by 1, the winnings on the moneyline cancel the amount risked on the runline. Manufacturing your own -1 lines will always save you a little juice.
haha I know man. I always make my own and all that. I didn't realize that the run line opened at +105. Nice buy, I'm still gettin on it at the current price.
haha I know man. I always make my own and all that. I didn't realize that the run line opened at +105. Nice buy, I'm still gettin on it at the current price.
It jumped to -115 at my shop within 20 minutes I'd say. Now it's -120. Definitely eaten up by the sharks at the first sign of plus money. I was just lucky that my sheets were finished before my book opened shop on today's lines. Got myself a very good deal. It's still a good deal now if you ask me. Good luck!
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Quote Originally Posted by Donnie_Baseball:
haha I know man. I always make my own and all that. I didn't realize that the run line opened at +105. Nice buy, I'm still gettin on it at the current price.
It jumped to -115 at my shop within 20 minutes I'd say. Now it's -120. Definitely eaten up by the sharks at the first sign of plus money. I was just lucky that my sheets were finished before my book opened shop on today's lines. Got myself a very good deal. It's still a good deal now if you ask me. Good luck!
Fair enough. I suppose that makes more sense. I guess my only issue with advanced metrics is that they presume a player has to get better if his ERA and OBA are higher than what the predictors say. Sometimes a guy stinks because he's inconsistent and sometimes a guy pitches well because he's deceptive and the metrics can't measure that. I think they're useful but are perhaps overvalued in the scheme of things. Baseball is still a game of talent and strategy and the numbers merely supplement it.
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Fair enough. I suppose that makes more sense. I guess my only issue with advanced metrics is that they presume a player has to get better if his ERA and OBA are higher than what the predictors say. Sometimes a guy stinks because he's inconsistent and sometimes a guy pitches well because he's deceptive and the metrics can't measure that. I think they're useful but are perhaps overvalued in the scheme of things. Baseball is still a game of talent and strategy and the numbers merely supplement it.
Fair enough. I suppose that makes more sense. I guess my only issue with advanced metrics is that they presume a player has to get better if his ERA and OBA are higher than what the predictors say. Sometimes a guy stinks because he's inconsistent and sometimes a guy pitches well because he's deceptive and the metrics can't measure that. I think they're useful but are perhaps overvalued in the scheme of things. Baseball is still a game of talent and strategy and the numbers merely supplement it.
Well said. Numbers are a starting point, but in the end you gotta like what you see too.
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Quote Originally Posted by sicknesscity:
Fair enough. I suppose that makes more sense. I guess my only issue with advanced metrics is that they presume a player has to get better if his ERA and OBA are higher than what the predictors say. Sometimes a guy stinks because he's inconsistent and sometimes a guy pitches well because he's deceptive and the metrics can't measure that. I think they're useful but are perhaps overvalued in the scheme of things. Baseball is still a game of talent and strategy and the numbers merely supplement it.
Well said. Numbers are a starting point, but in the end you gotta like what you see too.
S1ly many thanks for your hard work.I do my own research before checking the many good cappers on site.The work is very time consuming.You remind me of a very good capper from about 4 or 5 years ago.He went by the name Buffet Gambler, if I remember correctly.He left the site due to the morons attacking when he went cold on his picks.Found him on EOG he was on a 25-0 run (documented),he left that site because someone was using his picks and charging people.
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S1ly many thanks for your hard work.I do my own research before checking the many good cappers on site.The work is very time consuming.You remind me of a very good capper from about 4 or 5 years ago.He went by the name Buffet Gambler, if I remember correctly.He left the site due to the morons attacking when he went cold on his picks.Found him on EOG he was on a 25-0 run (documented),he left that site because someone was using his picks and charging people.
S1ly many thanks for your hard work.I do my own research before checking the many good cappers on site.The work is very time consuming.You remind me of a very good capper from about 4 or 5 years ago.He went by the name Buffet Gambler, if I remember correctly.He left the site due to the morons attacking when he went cold on his picks.Found him on EOG he was on a 25-0 run (documented),he left that site because someone was using his picks and charging people.
Do these breakdown sheets save you any time in your research? That's my end-goal for them.
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Quote Originally Posted by obmarn:
S1ly many thanks for your hard work.I do my own research before checking the many good cappers on site.The work is very time consuming.You remind me of a very good capper from about 4 or 5 years ago.He went by the name Buffet Gambler, if I remember correctly.He left the site due to the morons attacking when he went cold on his picks.Found him on EOG he was on a 25-0 run (documented),he left that site because someone was using his picks and charging people.
Do these breakdown sheets save you any time in your research? That's my end-goal for them.
What's your take on the Chisox @ KC my friend? I've got a decent lean, but value your opinion.
I think the line is really close to fair value. Sale is an absolute stud, but offensively both teams are pretty even in their pitching splits against L/R accordingly (KCR #19 ; CHW #16). Kansas City has the better bullpen and home field. Hard to lay more than -140 or -150 in a situation like this. I'd like to have more offense behind my ace on the road than a #16 ranking against righties - even if that righty is Mendoza. Lean to the under, but both sides look like they're at the right number.
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Quote Originally Posted by fullabs11:
What's your take on the Chisox @ KC my friend? I've got a decent lean, but value your opinion.
I think the line is really close to fair value. Sale is an absolute stud, but offensively both teams are pretty even in their pitching splits against L/R accordingly (KCR #19 ; CHW #16). Kansas City has the better bullpen and home field. Hard to lay more than -140 or -150 in a situation like this. I'd like to have more offense behind my ace on the road than a #16 ranking against righties - even if that righty is Mendoza. Lean to the under, but both sides look like they're at the right number.
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