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    UFC 231: Holloway vs. Ortega (12/8/18)

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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 2:49 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by straight_cash:

    Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:

    There is a huge difference between could not make the weight and athletic commission stopping him....He was a few lbs from making weight and athletic commission stopped him based on the way he looked...Its debatable.  Also you can't knock max for not making weight vs Khabib...1 week notice before fight flying from Hawaii to NY.  Sure knock him for taking the fight but he has never missed weight with a full camp.
    My main point there was that if you're the 145 lb champion then you should be able to make 155 lbs with one weeks notice.Wouldn't be surprised if this is Holloway's last fight at 145.
    disagree he accepted Sunday night, flew out Monday realistically had three days to cut weight, most reports had him over 185 at that point. Majority of all fighters cut 30-40 but three days to do it don't that happening. Also he didn't fail the weight cut or get hospitalized the commission stopped him and told UFC it wouldn't sanction him to fight cuting that much in 3 days. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by davemsh:

    There is a huge difference between could not make the weight and athletic commission stopping him....He was a few lbs from making weight and athletic commission stopped him based on the way he looked...Its debatable.  Also you can't knock max for not making weight vs Khabib...1 week notice before fight flying from Hawaii to NY.  Sure knock him for taking the fight but he has never missed weight with a full camp.
    My main point there was that if you're the 145 lb champion then you should be able to make 155 lbs with one weeks notice.Wouldn't be surprised if this is Holloway's last fight at 145.
    disagree he accepted Sunday night, flew out Monday realistically had three days to cut weight, most reports had him over 185 at that point. Majority of all fighters cut 30-40 but three days to do it don't that happening. Also he didn't fail the weight cut or get hospitalized the commission stopped him and told UFC it wouldn't sanction him to fight cuting that much in 3 days. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 4:52 PM ET #27

    Unrelated to 231 but Alexander Hernandez vs Coybow Cerrone 233 that's a fight! Only reason don't like it is cause it's cowboy and I'm huge on" the great "as a prospect . 

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    Unrelated to 231 but Alexander Hernandez vs Coybow Cerrone 233 that's a fight! Only reason don't like it is cause it's cowboy and I'm huge on" the great "as a prospect . 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 4:54 PM ET #28

    Hernandez will murder Cowboy Cerrone! I think that will be a mauling 

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    Hernandez will murder Cowboy Cerrone! I think that will be a mauling 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 5:12 PM ET #29

    Cerrone vs. Hernandez is an awesome matchup. Cowboy looked more determined than ever in his last fight and could be dangerous here.
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    Cerrone vs. Hernandez is an awesome matchup. Cowboy looked more determined than ever in his last fight and could be dangerous here.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 5:17 PM ET #30

    UFC 231 Embedded: Vlog Series - Episode 5 & 6

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    UFC 231 Embedded: Vlog Series - Episode 5 & 6

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 5:45 PM ET #31

    Mike Perry is no Hernandez. This kid is a gym rat. Cerrone is always dangerous but I would roll heavy on Hernandez and I would expect him to be the favorite. 

    I'm so excited for tonight. Some interesting line movements and an even a better card. 

    Let's get this bag! 

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    Mike Perry is no Hernandez. This kid is a gym rat. Cerrone is always dangerous but I would roll heavy on Hernandez and I would expect him to be the favorite. 

    I'm so excited for tonight. Some interesting line movements and an even a better card. 

    Let's get this bag! 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 5:47 PM ET #32

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAyWlPlyVgQ.   

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAyWlPlyVgQ.   

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 5:55 PM ET #33

    UFC 231 Ceremonial Weigh-Ins

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    UFC 231 Ceremonial Weigh-Ins

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 5:57 PM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by Caff3inekil0s:

    Mike Perry is no Hernandez. This kid is a gym rat. Cerrone is always dangerous but I would roll heavy on Hernandez and I would expect him to be the favorite. 

    I'm so excited for tonight. Some interesting line movements and an even a better card. 

    Let's get this bag! 


    Really like Hernandez and he is young and hungry. Interested to see the line.

    Who do you like tonight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caff3inekil0s:

    Mike Perry is no Hernandez. This kid is a gym rat. Cerrone is always dangerous but I would roll heavy on Hernandez and I would expect him to be the favorite. 

    I'm so excited for tonight. Some interesting line movements and an even a better card. 

    Let's get this bag! 


    Really like Hernandez and he is young and hungry. Interested to see the line.

    Who do you like tonight?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 5:59 PM ET #35

    straight.. who are you leaning with in the main event?
    Seems that most are on Ortega, but i just feel people are sleeping on Max d/t his recent health issues. would love to hear your thoughts. 
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    straight.. who are you leaning with in the main event?
    Seems that most are on Ortega, but i just feel people are sleeping on Max d/t his recent health issues. would love to hear your thoughts. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 6:15 PM ET #36

    UFC 579-375-15

    2017 235-188-8

    2018 268-142-4


    UFC 231


    Early Prelims
    Aleksandar Rakic (-500)
    Diego Ferreira (-450)
    Chad Laprise (-370)
    Matthew Lopez (+175)
    Prelims
    Eryk Anders (+130)
    Jessica Eye (+190)
    Olivier Aubin-Mercier (-120)
    Nina Ansaroff (+260)
    Main Card
    Jimi Manuwa (+165)
    Kyle Bochniak (+170)
    Gunnar Nelson (-140)
    Joanna Jedrzejczyk (+290)
    Brian Ortega (+110)
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    UFC 579-375-15

    2017 235-188-8

    2018 268-142-4


    UFC 231


    Early Prelims
    Aleksandar Rakic (-500)
    Diego Ferreira (-450)
    Chad Laprise (-370)
    Matthew Lopez (+175)
    Prelims
    Eryk Anders (+130)
    Jessica Eye (+190)
    Olivier Aubin-Mercier (-120)
    Nina Ansaroff (+260)
    Main Card
    Jimi Manuwa (+165)
    Kyle Bochniak (+170)
    Gunnar Nelson (-140)
    Joanna Jedrzejczyk (+290)
    Brian Ortega (+110)
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 6:28 PM ET #37

    Wow Clark with 5-6 huges knees with ref right there both hands on mat smh! 

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    Wow Clark with 5-6 huges knees with ref right there both hands on mat smh! 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 6:31 PM ET #38

    Quote Originally Posted by Skanless1:

    straight.. who are you leaning with in the main event?Seems that most are on Ortega, but i just feel people are sleeping on Max d/t his recent health issues. would love to hear your thoughts.
    like the bless express. Ortega was losing all his fights for a reason. Think it will be a standup and Frankie was getting his shots in easy , and Holloway is big like Brian so can't see him dropping him like frankie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skanless1:

    straight.. who are you leaning with in the main event?Seems that most are on Ortega, but i just feel people are sleeping on Max d/t his recent health issues. would love to hear your thoughts.
    like the bless express. Ortega was losing all his fights for a reason. Think it will be a standup and Frankie was getting his shots in easy , and Holloway is big like Brian so can't see him dropping him like frankie

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 6:31 PM ET #39

    Wow, Rakic with a huge comeback KO win. What a fight.
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    Wow, Rakic with a huge comeback KO win. What a fight.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 6:31 PM ET #40

    Now ref wasn't even on top of it Clark was out early smh tyring kill them both

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    Now ref wasn't even on top of it Clark was out early smh tyring kill them both

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 6:33 PM ET #41

    Always feel sick when I see a commission appointed ref 

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    Always feel sick when I see a commission appointed ref 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 6:35 PM ET #42

    Quote Originally Posted by straight_cash:

    Cerrone vs. Hernandez is an awesome matchup. Cowboy looked more determined than ever in his last fight and could be dangerous here.
    cowboy looked a little juiced last fight lol never seen him that shredded and strong 

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    Quote Originally Posted by straight_cash:

    Cerrone vs. Hernandez is an awesome matchup. Cowboy looked more determined than ever in his last fight and could be dangerous here.
    cowboy looked a little juiced last fight lol never seen him that shredded and strong 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 6:36 PM ET #43

    Quote Originally Posted by Caff3inekil0s:

    Mike Perry is no Hernandez. This kid is a gym rat. Cerrone is always dangerous but I would roll heavy on Hernandez and I would expect him to be the favorite.  I'm so excited for tonight. Some interesting line movements and an even a better card.  Let's get this bag!
    two UFC fights and roll the conductor on his hype train lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caff3inekil0s:

    Mike Perry is no Hernandez. This kid is a gym rat. Cerrone is always dangerous but I would roll heavy on Hernandez and I would expect him to be the favorite.  I'm so excited for tonight. Some interesting line movements and an even a better card.  Let's get this bag!
    two UFC fights and roll the conductor on his hype train lol

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 6:37 PM ET #44

    I'm interested in that Eryk Anders fight! I think he can knock him out but the line movement hasn't been in his favor. 

    Elias Theodorou  and the people below are all Canadians, So they will have the crowd. 

    Brad Katona 

    Chad Laprise 

    Hakeem Dawodu 

    Olivier Aubin-Mercier 

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    I'm interested in that Eryk Anders fight! I think he can knock him out but the line movement hasn't been in his favor. 

    Elias Theodorou  and the people below are all Canadians, So they will have the crowd. 

    Brad Katona 

    Chad Laprise 

    Hakeem Dawodu 

    Olivier Aubin-Mercier 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 6:39 PM ET #45

    Quote Originally Posted by jayoh:

    Quote Originally Posted by Caff3inekil0s:

    Mike Perry is no Hernandez. This kid is a gym rat. Cerrone is always dangerous but I would roll heavy on Hernandez and I would expect him to be the favorite.  I'm so excited for tonight. Some interesting line movements and an even a better card.  Let's get this bag!
    two UFC fights and roll the conductor on his hype train lol

     

    Sometimes you just know.

    This sport is for the committed. And the athletes always shine that have the work ethic. But anyone can get knocked out or submitted so that's what makes it the fight game. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayoh:

    Quote Originally Posted by Caff3inekil0s:

    Mike Perry is no Hernandez. This kid is a gym rat. Cerrone is always dangerous but I would roll heavy on Hernandez and I would expect him to be the favorite.  I'm so excited for tonight. Some interesting line movements and an even a better card.  Let's get this bag!
    two UFC fights and roll the conductor on his hype train lol

     

    Sometimes you just know.

    This sport is for the committed. And the athletes always shine that have the work ethic. But anyone can get knocked out or submitted so that's what makes it the fight game. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 6:46 PM ET #46

    Quote Originally Posted by Caff3inekil0s:

    I'm interested in that Eryk Anders fight! I think he can knock him out but the line movement hasn't been in his favor.  Elias Theodorou  and the people below are all Canadians, So they will have the crowd.  Brad Katona  Chad Laprise  Hakeem Dawodu  Olivier Aubin-Mercier
    like katona and Mercier a lot.

    And Anders that Santos fight was just what he needed . To be push into a war because sometimes he was a lil to hesitant

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caff3inekil0s:

    I'm interested in that Eryk Anders fight! I think he can knock him out but the line movement hasn't been in his favor.  Elias Theodorou  and the people below are all Canadians, So they will have the crowd.  Brad Katona  Chad Laprise  Hakeem Dawodu  Olivier Aubin-Mercier
    like katona and Mercier a lot.

    And Anders that Santos fight was just what he needed . To be push into a war because sometimes he was a lil to hesitant

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 6:47 PM ET #47

    Quote Originally Posted by Caff3inekil0s:

    I'm interested in that Eryk Anders fight! I think he can knock him out but the line movement hasn't been in his favor. 

    Elias Theodorou  and the people below are all Canadians, So they will have the crowd. 

    Brad Katona 

    Chad Laprise 

    Hakeem Dawodu 

    Olivier Aubin-Mercier 


    Not always a factor, just look at how most of the Australian fighters did last week in their home country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caff3inekil0s:

    I'm interested in that Eryk Anders fight! I think he can knock him out but the line movement hasn't been in his favor. 

    Elias Theodorou  and the people below are all Canadians, So they will have the crowd. 

    Brad Katona 

    Chad Laprise 

    Hakeem Dawodu 

    Olivier Aubin-Mercier 


    Not always a factor, just look at how most of the Australian fighters did last week in their home country.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 6:50 PM ET #48

    Quote Originally Posted by straight_cash:

    Quote Originally Posted by Caff3inekil0s:

    I'm interested in that Eryk Anders fight! I think he can knock him out but the line movement hasn't been in his favor.  Elias Theodorou  and the people below are all Canadians, So they will have the crowd.  Brad Katona  Chad Laprise  Hakeem Dawodu  Olivier Aubin-Mercier 
    Not always a factor, just look at how most of the Australian fighters did last week in their home country.

     

    You are correct. I was just sharing. Sometimes UFC gives winnable fights for the home fighters. 

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by straight_cash:

    Quote Originally Posted by Caff3inekil0s:

    I'm interested in that Eryk Anders fight! I think he can knock him out but the line movement hasn't been in his favor.  Elias Theodorou  and the people below are all Canadians, So they will have the crowd.  Brad Katona  Chad Laprise  Hakeem Dawodu  Olivier Aubin-Mercier 
    Not always a factor, just look at how most of the Australian fighters did last week in their home country.

     

    You are correct. I was just sharing. Sometimes UFC gives winnable fights for the home fighters. 

     

     
    Caff3inekil0s
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 6:52 PM ET #49

    CANADIAN FIGHTERS ON HOME SOIL

    Favorites 41-14

    Underdogs 16-23-0-2

     

    Just more info. 

     @Straight Cash  what do you think of the Anders fight. 

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    CANADIAN FIGHTERS ON HOME SOIL

    Favorites 41-14

    Underdogs 16-23-0-2

     

    Just more info. 

     @Straight Cash  what do you think of the Anders fight. 

     
     
    jayoh
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2018 - 6:52 PM ET #50

    Quote Originally Posted by Caff3inekil0s:

    Quote Originally Posted by straight_cash:

    Quote Originally Posted by Caff3inekil0s:

    I'm interested in that Eryk Anders fight! I think he can knock him out but the line movement hasn't been in his favor.  Elias Theodorou  and the people below are all Canadians, So they will have the crowd.  Brad Katona  Chad Laprise  Hakeem Dawodu  Olivier Aubin-Mercier 
    Not always a factor, just look at how most of the Australian fighters did last week in their home country.
      You are correct. I was just sharing. Sometimes UFC gives winnable fights for the home fighters.
    most of those Australian fighters aren't UFC us card lvl fighters katona is a legit prospect and Mercier Imo is still the best non ranked 155er

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caff3inekil0s:

    Quote Originally Posted by straight_cash:

    Quote Originally Posted by Caff3inekil0s:

    I'm interested in that Eryk Anders fight! I think he can knock him out but the line movement hasn't been in his favor.  Elias Theodorou  and the people below are all Canadians, So they will have the crowd.  Brad Katona  Chad Laprise  Hakeem Dawodu  Olivier Aubin-Mercier 
    Not always a factor, just look at how most of the Australian fighters did last week in their home country.
      You are correct. I was just sharing. Sometimes UFC gives winnable fights for the home fighters.
    most of those Australian fighters aren't UFC us card lvl fighters katona is a legit prospect and Mercier Imo is still the best non ranked 155er

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