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    666LES
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2017 - 3:26 PM ET #51

    Mommy/Daddy pay for his Apartment and his Car so his Nut is cable and Carl's Jr. He posts 1 night's wagers, gets cold feet and flips then asks 'how much should I bet a night?'.

    I lived in Las Vegas for 8 years and never had a job or a paycheck.Betting paid the rent but after 2-3 months it never was a problem and my Nut was always in my Means. You are sitting on the doorstep of the greatest Life in the US but ..................I'm not a Cruel Person.
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    Mommy/Daddy pay for his Apartment and his Car so his Nut is cable and Carl's Jr. He posts 1 night's wagers, gets cold feet and flips then asks 'how much should I bet a night?'.

    I lived in Las Vegas for 8 years and never had a job or a paycheck.Betting paid the rent but after 2-3 months it never was a problem and my Nut was always in my Means. You are sitting on the doorstep of the greatest Life in the US but ..................I'm not a Cruel Person.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2017 - 8:45 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by mbialowas:

    Good luck out here. Come down to Ballys sometime and I'll buy you a beer

    Thanks buddy , and yea cold yesterday , oilers simply got thrashed and royals had bases loaded multiple times.. ehh what can ya do... Im guessing ballys is your go to spot
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbialowas:

    Good luck out here. Come down to Ballys sometime and I'll buy you a beer

    Thanks buddy , and yea cold yesterday , oilers simply got thrashed and royals had bases loaded multiple times.. ehh what can ya do... Im guessing ballys is your go to spot
     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2017 - 8:47 PM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by 666LES:

    Mommy/Daddy pay for his Apartment and his Car so his Nut is cable and Carl's Jr. He posts 1 night's wagers, gets cold feet and flips then asks 'how much should I bet a night?'.

    I lived in Las Vegas for 8 years and never had a job or a paycheck.Betting paid the rent but after 2-3 months it never was a problem and my Nut was always in my Means. You are sitting on the doorstep of the greatest Life in the US but ..................I'm not a Cruel Person.

    Lol why you hating, clearly im thankful for my parents and what they're able to do for me.. Yea l lost last night, never said I win 100% of my games nor do I ever claim I'm one of the best handicappers in the business. Need a beer buddy? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by 666LES:

    Mommy/Daddy pay for his Apartment and his Car so his Nut is cable and Carl's Jr. He posts 1 night's wagers, gets cold feet and flips then asks 'how much should I bet a night?'.

    I lived in Las Vegas for 8 years and never had a job or a paycheck.Betting paid the rent but after 2-3 months it never was a problem and my Nut was always in my Means. You are sitting on the doorstep of the greatest Life in the US but ..................I'm not a Cruel Person.

    Lol why you hating, clearly im thankful for my parents and what they're able to do for me.. Yea l lost last night, never said I win 100% of my games nor do I ever claim I'm one of the best handicappers in the business. Need a beer buddy? 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2017 - 9:05 PM ET #54

    Seattle ML baby , or -1.5 if youre feeling dangerous 
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    Seattle ML baby , or -1.5 if youre feeling dangerous 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2017 - 4:29 PM ET #55

    Hey Sean, don't pay any mind to the haters. I did the same thing at the beginning of December. I doubled my bank with NFL betting paired with a Falcons futures bet that I hedged for the Super Bowl. A few people had their nuhtsax in their mouths with that. I did end up losing some of it back during NBA season but still came out ahead by a good bit. 

    Honestly though, many people will say it and it's true, Vegas is a real crap town. The Strip is very expensive and there are usually pretty annoying tourists, a lot of women are gold diggers straight up, there is a good bit of poverty and crime, void of much culture, no ocean, there are a lot of @$$holes etc. etc. The best part of Vegas, in my opinion, is convenience. You can go out to a bar and meet someone from any corner of the world at any given moment, there is top grade food, it's pretty much a 24/7 town blah, blah, blah.

    My advice to you is the following:

    -I would go a bit lower on your unit size. $660 would still be aggressive but not overwhelmingly huge for a 20k bank. 

    -Bet selectively. By that I mean the 4-5 games that you really have a good lean on out of the week. Quality is better than quantity in the long run. 

    -Don't move to Vegas at all. Move somewhere offshore where you can open several accounts at reputable online books where both the odds and the juice will be better/bigger limits. You'll still have to pay taxes due to foreign account tax compliance but you'll rake in much more over the long haul.

    I'm currently in the process of moving abroad for that last reason. There are other perks with that too-- cheap cost of living, better weather, better women, less stress. I know you are in school, and I don't discourage you from that (unless you are taking out substantial loans to do so which that doesn't sound like the case) but I'm telling you... the odds in Vegas are highway robbery and what's even worse is that they seemingly want to track every move you make if you are a successful bettor. It's an industry that is very biased towards the casinos in basically every way in Vegas.

    Maybe if you are trying to break into the industry LV is the place for you though. I dunno. I just see it as investment ultimately. Anyhow, I wish you luck all the same. Keep your wits about you and don't go overboard with the distractions.




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    Hey Sean, don't pay any mind to the haters. I did the same thing at the beginning of December. I doubled my bank with NFL betting paired with a Falcons futures bet that I hedged for the Super Bowl. A few people had their nuhtsax in their mouths with that. I did end up losing some of it back during NBA season but still came out ahead by a good bit. 

    Honestly though, many people will say it and it's true, Vegas is a real crap town. The Strip is very expensive and there are usually pretty annoying tourists, a lot of women are gold diggers straight up, there is a good bit of poverty and crime, void of much culture, no ocean, there are a lot of @$$holes etc. etc. The best part of Vegas, in my opinion, is convenience. You can go out to a bar and meet someone from any corner of the world at any given moment, there is top grade food, it's pretty much a 24/7 town blah, blah, blah.

    My advice to you is the following:

    -I would go a bit lower on your unit size. $660 would still be aggressive but not overwhelmingly huge for a 20k bank. 

    -Bet selectively. By that I mean the 4-5 games that you really have a good lean on out of the week. Quality is better than quantity in the long run. 

    -Don't move to Vegas at all. Move somewhere offshore where you can open several accounts at reputable online books where both the odds and the juice will be better/bigger limits. You'll still have to pay taxes due to foreign account tax compliance but you'll rake in much more over the long haul.

    I'm currently in the process of moving abroad for that last reason. There are other perks with that too-- cheap cost of living, better weather, better women, less stress. I know you are in school, and I don't discourage you from that (unless you are taking out substantial loans to do so which that doesn't sound like the case) but I'm telling you... the odds in Vegas are highway robbery and what's even worse is that they seemingly want to track every move you make if you are a successful bettor. It's an industry that is very biased towards the casinos in basically every way in Vegas.

    Maybe if you are trying to break into the industry LV is the place for you though. I dunno. I just see it as investment ultimately. Anyhow, I wish you luck all the same. Keep your wits about you and don't go overboard with the distractions.




     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2017 - 9:41 PM ET #56

    Man my luck when I post picks on here... LOL 

    Angels ML , Angels -1.5 
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    Man my luck when I post picks on here... LOL 

    Angels ML , Angels -1.5 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2017 - 9:59 PM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by desertspade:

    Hey Sean, don't pay any mind to the haters. I did the same thing at the beginning of December. I doubled my bank with NFL betting paired with a Falcons futures bet that I hedged for the Super Bowl. A few people had their nuhtsax in their mouths with that. I did end up losing some of it back during NBA season but still came out ahead by a good bit. 

    Honestly though, many people will say it and it's true, Vegas is a real crap town. The Strip is very expensive and there are usually pretty annoying tourists, a lot of women are gold diggers straight up, there is a good bit of poverty and crime, void of much culture, no ocean, there are a lot of @$$holes etc. etc. The best part of Vegas, in my opinion, is convenience. You can go out to a bar and meet someone from any corner of the world at any given moment, there is top grade food, it's pretty much a 24/7 town blah, blah, blah.

    My advice to you is the following:

    -I would go a bit lower on your unit size. $660 would still be aggressive but not overwhelmingly huge for a 20k bank. 

    -Bet selectively. By that I mean the 4-5 games that you really have a good lean on out of the week. Quality is better than quantity in the long run. 

    -Don't move to Vegas at all. Move somewhere offshore where you can open several accounts at reputable online books where both the odds and the juice will be better/bigger limits. You'll still have to pay taxes due to foreign account tax compliance but you'll rake in much more over the long haul.

    I'm currently in the process of moving abroad for that last reason. There are other perks with that too-- cheap cost of living, better weather, better women, less stress. I know you are in school, and I don't discourage you from that (unless you are taking out substantial loans to do so which that doesn't sound like the case) but I'm telling you... the odds in Vegas are highway robbery and what's even worse is that they seemingly want to track every move you make if you are a successful bettor. It's an industry that is very biased towards the casinos in basically every way in Vegas.

    Maybe if you are trying to break into the industry LV is the place for you though. I dunno. I just see it as investment ultimately. Anyhow, I wish you luck all the same. Keep your wits about you and don't go overboard with the distractions.





    Thanks for taking out time to reply man.... Literally everyone online saying vegas is a crap town is quite discouraging haha... As for my decision to move to Sin City is pretty much a lock. House is nearly purchased, gonna be signing up for courses at UNLV so there really is no turning back now. Luckily 90% of my family live in LA so I could visit anytime I want. Just like you, I view sports betting as investing. This is my version of stock trading, and I truly feel like I can do this in the long term ( even though it doesn't appear like it). But unlike most people, I am fortunate to have a support system that take away the pressure of having to pay bills at the end of the month.(they're paying for school too). Honestly couldn't do any of this without the help of my parents and I am forever grateful they're in my life. Even though I've only been betting officially for 1 year, Ive tracked my betting picks for three years now and I've still finished year at a profitable rate. If I didn't think I would do this, trust me. I would've already spent that 20K on something else. If I don't pursue this, I'll forever question it to the day I die. Better to try and fail when Im 21 and single , then to fail in my mid 30s when I have wife and kids to support 
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    Quote Originally Posted by desertspade:

    Hey Sean, don't pay any mind to the haters. I did the same thing at the beginning of December. I doubled my bank with NFL betting paired with a Falcons futures bet that I hedged for the Super Bowl. A few people had their nuhtsax in their mouths with that. I did end up losing some of it back during NBA season but still came out ahead by a good bit. 

    Honestly though, many people will say it and it's true, Vegas is a real crap town. The Strip is very expensive and there are usually pretty annoying tourists, a lot of women are gold diggers straight up, there is a good bit of poverty and crime, void of much culture, no ocean, there are a lot of @$$holes etc. etc. The best part of Vegas, in my opinion, is convenience. You can go out to a bar and meet someone from any corner of the world at any given moment, there is top grade food, it's pretty much a 24/7 town blah, blah, blah.

    My advice to you is the following:

    -I would go a bit lower on your unit size. $660 would still be aggressive but not overwhelmingly huge for a 20k bank. 

    -Bet selectively. By that I mean the 4-5 games that you really have a good lean on out of the week. Quality is better than quantity in the long run. 

    -Don't move to Vegas at all. Move somewhere offshore where you can open several accounts at reputable online books where both the odds and the juice will be better/bigger limits. You'll still have to pay taxes due to foreign account tax compliance but you'll rake in much more over the long haul.

    I'm currently in the process of moving abroad for that last reason. There are other perks with that too-- cheap cost of living, better weather, better women, less stress. I know you are in school, and I don't discourage you from that (unless you are taking out substantial loans to do so which that doesn't sound like the case) but I'm telling you... the odds in Vegas are highway robbery and what's even worse is that they seemingly want to track every move you make if you are a successful bettor. It's an industry that is very biased towards the casinos in basically every way in Vegas.

    Maybe if you are trying to break into the industry LV is the place for you though. I dunno. I just see it as investment ultimately. Anyhow, I wish you luck all the same. Keep your wits about you and don't go overboard with the distractions.





    Thanks for taking out time to reply man.... Literally everyone online saying vegas is a crap town is quite discouraging haha... As for my decision to move to Sin City is pretty much a lock. House is nearly purchased, gonna be signing up for courses at UNLV so there really is no turning back now. Luckily 90% of my family live in LA so I could visit anytime I want. Just like you, I view sports betting as investing. This is my version of stock trading, and I truly feel like I can do this in the long term ( even though it doesn't appear like it). But unlike most people, I am fortunate to have a support system that take away the pressure of having to pay bills at the end of the month.(they're paying for school too). Honestly couldn't do any of this without the help of my parents and I am forever grateful they're in my life. Even though I've only been betting officially for 1 year, Ive tracked my betting picks for three years now and I've still finished year at a profitable rate. If I didn't think I would do this, trust me. I would've already spent that 20K on something else. If I don't pursue this, I'll forever question it to the day I die. Better to try and fail when Im 21 and single , then to fail in my mid 30s when I have wife and kids to support 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2017 - 11:49 AM ET #58

    Sure thing brother. There will always, always be people that try to shoot you down. You just have to remember that a lot of the negativity that people project comes from the discontent in their own lives. Keep your head up, stay humble, and give 'em hell out there!
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    Sure thing brother. There will always, always be people that try to shoot you down. You just have to remember that a lot of the negativity that people project comes from the discontent in their own lives. Keep your head up, stay humble, and give 'em hell out there!
     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2017 - 5:45 PM ET #59

    Quote Originally Posted by desertspade:

    Sure thing brother. There will always, always be people that try to shoot you down. You just have to remember that a lot of the negativity that people project comes from the discontent in their own lives. Keep your head up, stay humble, and give 'em hell out there!

    From your own experiences in Vegas, 

    what are your favorite books and why? 
    Have you ever experienced books trying to limit your action yet? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by desertspade:

    Sure thing brother. There will always, always be people that try to shoot you down. You just have to remember that a lot of the negativity that people project comes from the discontent in their own lives. Keep your head up, stay humble, and give 'em hell out there!

    From your own experiences in Vegas, 

    what are your favorite books and why? 
    Have you ever experienced books trying to limit your action yet? 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 23, 2017 - 2:25 PM ET #60

    Westgate has to be the top. Not always, but more often than not you'll get the best lines there and parking is usually free and easy unless they have some event going on at the convention center... closest thing to a drive thru sports book. They also likely have the best limits too. 

    I also like the Mirage and the Wynn just because they are independent books, unlike CG Tech, Will Hill, or Caesars. Mirage would have the edge there for me because nice layout and decent location... although no bar at Mirage facing the big screens like other places. I rarely stay to drink/watch bets after I place them anyhow though-- even if I get vouchers. 

    Off the strip I'd say Red Rock is pretty damn nice. Southpoint is nothing special but also worth noting solely because it's the only 24/7 book. I don't think you bet soccer so much but Southpoint is good for last minute bets on EPL or Champions League assuming it's late night/early morning and you didn't already get your bet placed. 

    I've not been limited on anything other than a Futures bet... which anyhow, it's typically better odds to just bet the series in succession, take winnings, and place that on the next series and so and so forth. Then again, my normal unit was also nothing particularly out of the ordinary. I know a lot of books will require ID or Player's Card at anything $500 or more. You can always split and spread your bets around town if you're that good, you're laying big, and it becomes an issue. It would be a hassle to collect but people do it.

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    Westgate has to be the top. Not always, but more often than not you'll get the best lines there and parking is usually free and easy unless they have some event going on at the convention center... closest thing to a drive thru sports book. They also likely have the best limits too. 

    I also like the Mirage and the Wynn just because they are independent books, unlike CG Tech, Will Hill, or Caesars. Mirage would have the edge there for me because nice layout and decent location... although no bar at Mirage facing the big screens like other places. I rarely stay to drink/watch bets after I place them anyhow though-- even if I get vouchers. 

    Off the strip I'd say Red Rock is pretty damn nice. Southpoint is nothing special but also worth noting solely because it's the only 24/7 book. I don't think you bet soccer so much but Southpoint is good for last minute bets on EPL or Champions League assuming it's late night/early morning and you didn't already get your bet placed. 

    I've not been limited on anything other than a Futures bet... which anyhow, it's typically better odds to just bet the series in succession, take winnings, and place that on the next series and so and so forth. Then again, my normal unit was also nothing particularly out of the ordinary. I know a lot of books will require ID or Player's Card at anything $500 or more. You can always split and spread your bets around town if you're that good, you're laying big, and it becomes an issue. It would be a hassle to collect but people do it.

     
    Ahoung89
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    Posted: May. 2, 2017 - 12:34 PM ET #61

    You are still young so you will make your mistakes and learn the hard way that this is a losing proposition. Nevertheless Good Luck, have fun out there, and enjoy it while it lasts!

     
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    You are still young so you will make your mistakes and learn the hard way that this is a losing proposition. Nevertheless Good Luck, have fun out there, and enjoy it while it lasts!

     
     
    StackMyLoot
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    Posted: May. 3, 2017 - 2:42 PM ET #62

    Comparing sports betting to stock trading.lol

    Stock trade you can cash out at any giving time.

    Sports betting once your bet is down it's ride or die you can't cut losses like you can in a market drop.

    Big difference.


    Also Vegas got the worst lines you can find on games. Most are heavily juiced in compared to offshore lines.

    I'm not living off gambling but enjoying the winnings from the comfort of Florida without dealing with all the stress and lifestyle change Vegas bring and i can fly their once or twice a year and get my fix and be satisfied..

    Imo i just don't understand why people wanna put themselves in that situation i almost did it when i was young myself but smarten up and glad i did or most likely be broke somewhere with bad credit..

    Me i'll stick to offshore just fine for now but wish you luck in your endeavour i just hope you don't drink,smoke or do any other recreational drugs and live a straight life if you're serious about making this work.

    BOL
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    Comparing sports betting to stock trading.lol

    Stock trade you can cash out at any giving time.

    Sports betting once your bet is down it's ride or die you can't cut losses like you can in a market drop.

    Big difference.


    Also Vegas got the worst lines you can find on games. Most are heavily juiced in compared to offshore lines.

    I'm not living off gambling but enjoying the winnings from the comfort of Florida without dealing with all the stress and lifestyle change Vegas bring and i can fly their once or twice a year and get my fix and be satisfied..

    Imo i just don't understand why people wanna put themselves in that situation i almost did it when i was young myself but smarten up and glad i did or most likely be broke somewhere with bad credit..

    Me i'll stick to offshore just fine for now but wish you luck in your endeavour i just hope you don't drink,smoke or do any other recreational drugs and live a straight life if you're serious about making this work.

    BOL
     
    desertspade
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    Posted: May. 4, 2017 - 2:14 AM ET #63

    Quote Originally Posted by StackMyLoot:



    Comparing sports betting to stock trading.lol



    Enlighten me... Since they are not similar, do you look for value in stocks or do you look for value in bets? Which one is it? Do you shop for the best line? If a market drops in sports (by means of an injury, team tragedy, unaccustomed weather et alia) do you not hedge your bet on the other side to minimize your risk or loss? If you are a momo trader, is that so different than betting steam? Would you rather use a broker that charges you higher commissions? How about a bookie that juices you like a lemon, would you prefer to do business there? Is the entropy of sudden player injury so different than a class action lawsuit that surprises investors? 

    Are they the same animals? Of course not. There's no way to hover over Level 2 and time a perfect fill in sports betting, the price and volume of crude futures aren't going to affect whether or not the Browns win a given regular season game, one can't sell a contract to someone with a strike on how many games the Mets will win after the all star break. The inherent nature of betting sports and trading stocks are very similar though because, guess what?

    They are both markets! 


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    Quote Originally Posted by StackMyLoot:



    Comparing sports betting to stock trading.lol



    Enlighten me... Since they are not similar, do you look for value in stocks or do you look for value in bets? Which one is it? Do you shop for the best line? If a market drops in sports (by means of an injury, team tragedy, unaccustomed weather et alia) do you not hedge your bet on the other side to minimize your risk or loss? If you are a momo trader, is that so different than betting steam? Would you rather use a broker that charges you higher commissions? How about a bookie that juices you like a lemon, would you prefer to do business there? Is the entropy of sudden player injury so different than a class action lawsuit that surprises investors? 

    Are they the same animals? Of course not. There's no way to hover over Level 2 and time a perfect fill in sports betting, the price and volume of crude futures aren't going to affect whether or not the Browns win a given regular season game, one can't sell a contract to someone with a strike on how many games the Mets will win after the all star break. The inherent nature of betting sports and trading stocks are very similar though because, guess what?

    They are both markets! 


     
    schmidt37
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    Posted: May. 8, 2017 - 1:11 PM ET #64

    Good luck dude
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    Good luck dude
     
    sports_Network
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    Posted: May. 13, 2017 - 6:49 AM ET #65

    After review:

    This entire thread is pure BULLSH!T....to each his own

    have fun in your self-created Las Vegas sports betting world...


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    After review:

    This entire thread is pure BULLSH!T....to each his own

    have fun in your self-created Las Vegas sports betting world...


     
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    Posted: May. 13, 2017 - 6:36 PM ET #66

    Vegas is going to take this kid, chew him up, and spit him out.  Over/under 6 months before he is sucking di ck for crack a block off of Freemont
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    Vegas is going to take this kid, chew him up, and spit him out.  Over/under 6 months before he is sucking di ck for crack a block off of Freemont
     
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    Posted: May. 14, 2017 - 7:00 PM ET #67

    Get yourself mobile accounts, lock yourself in condo, and concentrate on making money.
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    Get yourself mobile accounts, lock yourself in condo, and concentrate on making money.
     
    StackMyLoot
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    Posted: May. 19, 2017 - 3:13 AM ET #68

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Get yourself mobile accounts, lock yourself in condo, and concentrate on making money.

    Wouldn't this qualify as the same thing you can do in any other city in the world?


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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Get yourself mobile accounts, lock yourself in condo, and concentrate on making money.

    Wouldn't this qualify as the same thing you can do in any other city in the world?


     
     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2017 - 6:32 AM ET #69

    I swear most of these guys are just trying to build Youtube channels.  Since a lot of the larger corporate sponsors pulled out the competition for subscribers has been outright bloody.  OR they just want attention.
    As long as they pretend to pay me I will pretend to work
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    I swear most of these guys are just trying to build Youtube channels.  Since a lot of the larger corporate sponsors pulled out the competition for subscribers has been outright bloody.  OR they just want attention.
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