There are funds that can do it for a year or two, but none that can consistently beat it over long periods of time. 10+ years... That is the key thing.... over long periods of time.
Huh? Of course there are. Absolutely there are funds that beat S&P 500 over a 10 year period.
Yes. It is hard. But that was my original point — it can be done.
I think it is the same with the market in general though — folks always think it won’t do so well when they get in.
You're right. I stand corrected..... In fact, I should have known better, because I had invested in the Legg Mason Mutual Fund for a few years back in the early 2000s. The manager (Bill Miller) was a rock star, then the financial crisis hit and he loaded up on financials "before" the worst of the crisis. He got crushed and never really recovered as I recall. Legg Mason let him go a few years ago, and he has started his own fund.
Peter Lynch probably beat the averages over long periods, too. But these people are big time exceptions to the rule. Over long periods of time , the S&P 500 will "highly likely" come out on top over any other fund. Heck, even the Oracle of Ohama saw the light just a few short years ago, and recommends the S&P for most investors.
Absolutely right. Fees and Expense Ratios are a big deal when looking at any mutual fund. I was surprised to find so many funds on the list, even when I stripped away all of those small/mid cap funds that really should be compared to their own underlying index.. There were Plenty of Large Growth Funds that beat the averages.. Good site stuff Raiders. 
One important point to keep in mind is all of those funds flourished in an almost unabated Bull Run from 2009-2019 (I noted returns were of 12/31/19). I bet only a handful of those funds make the list now. Performing in both up and down markets, and beating the averages, is really hard to do..
Gamble... I had to re-read the previous posts to understand what happened. You were already a shareholder of UPS and wanted to buy more. Heck, I thought you had pulled the trigger and bought more. In any event, you still got a good stock in these crazy times !
You got any other nuggets you can pass along ? WMT & UPS. 
Never forget...these guys do this for a living for the richest clients in the world. If they slip up, they lose big clients in a hurry! They are very good at it. Anyone can just get S&P fund. But not everyone can beat it. But still 20% or so consistently do AND are always striving to get better.
Everyone—everyone should have some of these funds! Along with an S&P fund. When you look back over the lifetime of a fund and it consistently beats index even with additional costs — you have to consider it.
Rush. I have been in UPS for several years. It has mostly been an underperformer until this week. I'm doing my research but remain hesitant to pull the trigger on deploying my 200K. This is the most crucial quarter for the recovery effort and I will be surprised if we make it through without a correction of some sort.
Someone needs to throw me into a wood chipper. I panic sold 15 minutes after open as the price dipped two points. Bought the calls for 1.05. Sold them at 5.70. At its peak today they were 15.64 and are still currently 11.55. so much to learn about this it’s not even funny. I am so used to that POS stock in APT. I assume EVERYONE wants to take profits and sell off during a spike. boy was I wrong. Good lord. UPS just went up and up and up and up throughout the day. Incredible
542% gain which is nothing to cry about. had I stood put, 11.7K Profit would’ve been in the cards. But I’ll take my 4K gain. I bought these calls five minutes before close yesterday for god knows why. maybe because I lost on NIO and AMD totaling a grand yesterday by bailing early and not letting them expire OTM.
So Fedex blew EPS outta the water
UPS followed suit.
why oh why didn’t I expect the SHIPPING KING to outperform as well? $10.30 vs $1.51 EPS for amazon beat. 6.8x better than “experts” forecast. Holy hell. A 3200 call closed at 28.90. What does this hit tomorrow ? Hindsight would’ve been to dump my UPS gains into one single amazon call. does anyone have access to a time machine?
I did limit potential losses. You are correct. Nio was a flop even today as well. So getting out of those was correct. AMD calls were at 77. Now AMD calls are maybe a dime over what I paid for them even though the stock is at 78.2. getting out of both and cutting losses was something I DIDNT do first five weeks. I ate a grand yesterday combined on the two and tried UPS behind door number three. Someone on twitter posted their earnings as I was driving to work and I was ecstatic.
so back to APT raiders. we didn’t even get half the average volume again. Wisconsin mandated masks today and nada. If you have the governor of California’s number on you can you please tell him enough is enough. Once a monster state mandates these ...
I believe we’re at 28 outta 52. so barely half as this virus still is outta control in some of them. how the hell isnt this law by now? don’t call me an expert. But come on.
Anyone has access to mutual funds... but the hedge fund world is for an exclusive bunch of wealthy clients... your bill Ackman's and Carl Icahn's of the world . But even " they" have a hard time beating the averages over time.
Buffett famously held a challenge years ago, challenging any hedge fund against the s&p. We all know who won.
I'm a Bogle disciple, and have been for at least 20 years now.. There's nothing to convince me otherwise when the vast amount of data points to the benefits of the " average." Ironically, Buffett talking up the s&p just in the last 10 years or so has really catapulted their popularity, even more than John Bogle could have ever dreamed.
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