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    Posted: Sep. 13, 2007 - 11:40 AM ET #1

    Over 100 messages, time to start a new thread.

    I see CFC and others are up because of the so-called improvement in the commercial credit situation. Is it a farce? It could be, but the stock is up almost 10% today because of it..
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    Over 100 messages, time to start a new thread.

    I see CFC and others are up because of the so-called improvement in the commercial credit situation. Is it a farce? It could be, but the stock is up almost 10% today because of it..
     
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    Posted: Sep. 13, 2007 - 1:36 PM ET #2

    HEY WS LOOKS LIKE THE FALL OF CRM IS ABOUT TO OCCUR.

    INSIDERS JUST SOLD A LITTLE OVER 1 MILLION SHARES. TIME TO SHORT THIS POS

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    HEY WS LOOKS LIKE THE FALL OF CRM IS ABOUT TO OCCUR.

    INSIDERS JUST SOLD A LITTLE OVER 1 MILLION SHARES. TIME TO SHORT THIS POS

     
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    Posted: Sep. 13, 2007 - 1:41 PM ET #3

    Big$$$,

    Holy hell I didnt know it was that high..

    Wait for a test of that high, the market wants to go up so see if they retest the 50 area before shorting/puts.

    Stock on a MAJOR tear, up 15% this month. Insider selling isnt always a reason to sell..
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    Big$$$,

    Holy hell I didnt know it was that high..

    Wait for a test of that high, the market wants to go up so see if they retest the 50 area before shorting/puts.

    Stock on a MAJOR tear, up 15% this month. Insider selling isnt always a reason to sell..
     
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    Posted: Sep. 13, 2007 - 4:04 PM ET #4

    CFC got that funding, but to me that isnt why it is running..its the alleged loosening of the commercial paper, and the short squeeze, but almost 15% move today is amazing.

    Any move past 20 has to be short consideration.

    The 20 calls are a 3 plus bagger today and I think she DOES move past 20 before expiration..even if it is short lived.
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    CFC got that funding, but to me that isnt why it is running..its the alleged loosening of the commercial paper, and the short squeeze, but almost 15% move today is amazing.

    Any move past 20 has to be short consideration.

    The 20 calls are a 3 plus bagger today and I think she DOES move past 20 before expiration..even if it is short lived.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2007 - 12:02 AM ET #5

    WSC I have $200 to invest. I am emabreesed to say that I opened a Scott Trade account severals years ago (only put $200 in it). I was working on my finacials last weekend and got a staement last week. I completly forgot I had this account. I want to start adding $$ to this but I am not sure what I should jump into. Due you use accounts like Scott trade to make your investments? Love this section of covers you do a great job managing this thread!
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    WSC I have $200 to invest. I am emabreesed to say that I opened a Scott Trade account severals years ago (only put $200 in it). I was working on my finacials last weekend and got a staement last week. I completly forgot I had this account. I want to start adding $$ to this but I am not sure what I should jump into. Due you use accounts like Scott trade to make your investments? Love this section of covers you do a great job managing this thread!
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2007 - 12:06 AM ET #6

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    WSC I have $200 to invest. I opened a Scott Trade account severals years ago (only put $200 in it). I was working on my finacials last weekend and got a statement last week. I completly forgot I had this account. I want to start adding $$ to this but I am not sure what I should jump into. Due you use accounts like Scott trade to make your investments? Love this section of covers you do a great job managing this thread!
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    WSC I have $200 to invest. I opened a Scott Trade account severals years ago (only put $200 in it). I was working on my finacials last weekend and got a statement last week. I completly forgot I had this account. I want to start adding $$ to this but I am not sure what I should jump into. Due you use accounts like Scott trade to make your investments? Love this section of covers you do a great job managing this thread!
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2007 - 12:41 AM ET #7

    johnny,

    Yep...I have an acct with Scottrade..if you want to fund, just login to your account and find the local branch near you, then go add money.

    As to how to invest that is another story..I need to know more, plenty of people here including me are willing to offer our two cents on the subject.
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    johnny,

    Yep...I have an acct with Scottrade..if you want to fund, just login to your account and find the local branch near you, then go add money.

    As to how to invest that is another story..I need to know more, plenty of people here including me are willing to offer our two cents on the subject.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2007 - 12:53 AM ET #8

    wsc,  any thoughts on NWSA over the next 30-120 days
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    wsc,  any thoughts on NWSA over the next 30-120 days
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2007 - 12:56 AM ET #9

    JR,

    Thats not a symbol.. NWSA?
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    JR,

    Thats not a symbol.. NWSA?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2007 - 1:02 AM ET #10

    newscorp A shares, i use nwsa for quotes on cnn

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    newscorp A shares, i use nwsa for quotes on cnn

     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2007 - 1:10 AM ET #11

    No problem there..

    News Corp, quick glance it looks over priced by matricies I use, mainly PE ratio compared to growth rate.

    They are selling at 2 times book and sales, and have pretty lean growth numbers, I dont see a reason to buy based on growth, PE ratio, dividend etc..

    Any particular reason you are interested in it??
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    No problem there..

    News Corp, quick glance it looks over priced by matricies I use, mainly PE ratio compared to growth rate.

    They are selling at 2 times book and sales, and have pretty lean growth numbers, I dont see a reason to buy based on growth, PE ratio, dividend etc..

    Any particular reason you are interested in it??
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2007 - 1:14 AM ET #12

    long term option contracts that i need move in next 120 days, all have a strike price below current price, just trying to get a feel for a good time to pull the trigger.  none of the options expire within this time period, but unrelated factors will cause me to exercise them and sell.
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    long term option contracts that i need move in next 120 days, all have a strike price below current price, just trying to get a feel for a good time to pull the trigger.  none of the options expire within this time period, but unrelated factors will cause me to exercise them and sell.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2007 - 1:17 AM ET #13

    not sure if you can see the whole post
     
    none of the contracts expire during this 120 period,
    all are at least 12 months out, most are longer
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    not sure if you can see the whole post
     
    none of the contracts expire during this 120 period,
    all are at least 12 months out, most are longer
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2007 - 1:25 AM ET #14

    Are those ESOP options, meaning are you an employee and these are option grants, or did you buy the options through a broker?

    I gather you are an employee...thats my guess.

    Depending on the number of shares you were granted, it might not even matter to wait or not to wait. What I mean by that is say your grant price is 17 bucks and current price is 21 (or so) then you profit by 4 bucks per share...depending on if you have 200 shares granted or 20,000 shares it will effect my comment...
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    Are those ESOP options, meaning are you an employee and these are option grants, or did you buy the options through a broker?

    I gather you are an employee...thats my guess.

    Depending on the number of shares you were granted, it might not even matter to wait or not to wait. What I mean by that is say your grant price is 17 bucks and current price is 21 (or so) then you profit by 4 bucks per share...depending on if you have 200 shares granted or 20,000 shares it will effect my comment...
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2007 - 1:29 AM ET #15

    closer to your second number as to number of actual shares
     
    i was in no hurry to exercise/sell, but the 120ish day timeline will force my hand
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    closer to your second number as to number of actual shares
     
    i was in no hurry to exercise/sell, but the 120ish day timeline will force my hand
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2007 - 1:49 AM ET #16

    Do you have enough cash to purchase the shares? Meaning as an employee you CAN buy those shares at 17, or whatever the strike is, so if you wanted to hold you could.

    I doubt that is the case though.

    Want my honest opinion? Can you take the tax hit?

    The chart looks bad, I dont like how it is acting and it will never keep pace with the market or even better performing stocks.

    If it were me I would dump it on an up day, or leg out of 25% and see if it keeps going up.

    I would take the money out of an under performing stock like that and put it in a Scottrade acct and see what you can do with it.

    If you need some ideas with the money, let me know..there are some good people here always willing to help.

    Unless you needed the money for a strange reason, I would try and take the funds and keep them invested..

    Also, the broker who is doing the ESOP will offer to take the money and open an acct with them..unless they are a DISCOUNT firm, like Scottrade or Etrade or Fidelity etc, do NOT go with the broker..they will try and plop you into a loaded mutual fund and make money off you..take the cash, let them take out the taxes (usually they offer that) and then open an account, if the proceeds are high, open a few Roth accts for you, wife (if you have one) and keep the majority of the money out of the checking acct where you might get tempted...


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    Do you have enough cash to purchase the shares? Meaning as an employee you CAN buy those shares at 17, or whatever the strike is, so if you wanted to hold you could.

    I doubt that is the case though.

    Want my honest opinion? Can you take the tax hit?

    The chart looks bad, I dont like how it is acting and it will never keep pace with the market or even better performing stocks.

    If it were me I would dump it on an up day, or leg out of 25% and see if it keeps going up.

    I would take the money out of an under performing stock like that and put it in a Scottrade acct and see what you can do with it.

    If you need some ideas with the money, let me know..there are some good people here always willing to help.

    Unless you needed the money for a strange reason, I would try and take the funds and keep them invested..

    Also, the broker who is doing the ESOP will offer to take the money and open an acct with them..unless they are a DISCOUNT firm, like Scottrade or Etrade or Fidelity etc, do NOT go with the broker..they will try and plop you into a loaded mutual fund and make money off you..take the cash, let them take out the taxes (usually they offer that) and then open an account, if the proceeds are high, open a few Roth accts for you, wife (if you have one) and keep the majority of the money out of the checking acct where you might get tempted...


     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2007 - 1:50 AM ET #17

    Cant get that post right..somthing screwing it up..

    sorry...
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    Cant get that post right..somthing screwing it up..

    sorry...
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2007 - 1:51 AM ET #18

    wsc,  thanks for the info . . . i'm hoping to get to 1-1-08 for tax purposes, but i can take it in '07 if i have to.  the recent slide seemed to coincide with the dow jones crap.  i hear you on taking the cash away from the guys who do the first transaction.  thanks for your insight,  it's always good to get opinions. 
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    wsc,  thanks for the info . . . i'm hoping to get to 1-1-08 for tax purposes, but i can take it in '07 if i have to.  the recent slide seemed to coincide with the dow jones crap.  i hear you on taking the cash away from the guys who do the first transaction.  thanks for your insight,  it's always good to get opinions. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2007 - 3:08 AM ET #19

    Open shorts, C, COF, CTX, and SPY just taking a fucking pounding.....DID NOT see this coming.
     
    Where are the confessions?  Holding on for dear life.
     
    Yep, CFC was so ripe for the manipulators to bust the shorts.
     
    The way this shit is going, peeps will jump out of windows if scholar Ben cuts 25.......knowing my goddamn luck right now, the motherfucker will cut 100.
     
    See you all next week.
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    Open shorts, C, COF, CTX, and SPY just taking a fucking pounding.....DID NOT see this coming.
     
    Where are the confessions?  Holding on for dear life.
     
    Yep, CFC was so ripe for the manipulators to bust the shorts.
     
    The way this shit is going, peeps will jump out of windows if scholar Ben cuts 25.......knowing my goddamn luck right now, the motherfucker will cut 100.
     
    See you all next week.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2007 - 8:22 AM ET #20

    what happened to this thread?  the words are getting cut out on the right.
     
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    what happened to this thread?  the words are getting cut out on the right.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2007 - 10:17 AM ET #21

    Nice work KOAJ.  we can continue here now instead of on Stock Talk IV
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    Nice work KOAJ.  we can continue here now instead of on Stock Talk IV
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2007 - 1:56 PM ET #22

    claycourt,

    Thats a dicey short position..if the commercial paper market is easing it takes a ton of pressure off these lenders and financial institutions. I am not sure I believe it, but not sure how to verify either.

    Keep a good leash on them, dont let a good thing turn into a bad one.
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    claycourt,

    Thats a dicey short position..if the commercial paper market is easing it takes a ton of pressure off these lenders and financial institutions. I am not sure I believe it, but not sure how to verify either.

    Keep a good leash on them, dont let a good thing turn into a bad one.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2007 - 2:14 PM ET #23

    I am hosed with the September 30s call options on CMC.  Ah, trading is not my metier, really, but you gotta love the piquancy of it.
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    I am hosed with the September 30s call options on CMC.  Ah, trading is not my metier, really, but you gotta love the piquancy of it.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2007 - 2:32 PM ET #24

    What did you pay for those? Stock looks crappy today for sure.
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    What did you pay for those? Stock looks crappy today for sure.
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2007 - 2:52 PM ET #25

    Here is an article that is HALF good, half garbage

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    Here is an article that is HALF good, half garbage

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