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    dave9981$
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    Posted: Oct. 21, 2008 - 12:39 PM ET #26

    I would still be very surprised if the market ends -200 or lower today
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    I would still be very surprised if the market ends -200 or lower today
     
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    Posted: Oct. 21, 2008 - 12:52 PM ET #27

    Selling now picking up a little.


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    Selling now picking up a little.


     
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    Posted: Oct. 21, 2008 - 2:16 PM ET #28

    were heading back to even now - 100 pts atm.


     
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    were heading back to even now - 100 pts atm.


     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 21, 2008 - 2:52 PM ET #29

    well we got to even just about. now back down -50 pts in the last 5 minutes
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    well we got to even just about. now back down -50 pts in the last 5 minutes
     
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    Posted: Oct. 21, 2008 - 4:22 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by accventures:

    I agree and bought some S&P puts today.

    Well in, ACC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by accventures:

    I agree and bought some S&P puts today.

    Well in, ACC.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 21, 2008 - 4:23 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by jaxwhitey:

    Gold is having another bad day, I believe we are about $30/oz away from a new 52 week low.  If it breaks this level there is no chart support for quite awhile.

    Come on $500/oz

    Yep, I am licking my chops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaxwhitey:

    Gold is having another bad day, I believe we are about $30/oz away from a new 52 week low.  If it breaks this level there is no chart support for quite awhile.

    Come on $500/oz

    Yep, I am licking my chops.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 21, 2008 - 5:27 PM ET #32


     You and me both CC...you and me both...

     

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     You and me both CC...you and me both...

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 21, 2008 - 5:56 PM ET #33

    Vermeer-
     
    We just "stay patient" and then it will come right to us, man.
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    Vermeer-
     
    We just "stay patient" and then it will come right to us, man.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 21, 2008 - 6:33 PM ET #34

    So we have a gentlemens agreement then.  I will ride my gold puts down to around $500 oz and then you guys can get in on the long side.


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    So we have a gentlemens agreement then.  I will ride my gold puts down to around $500 oz and then you guys can get in on the long side.


     
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    Posted: Oct. 21, 2008 - 7:44 PM ET #35

    So how do the markets digest a company like yahoo planning on canning 1,500 people?  Naturally they send the stock up 7% or so in after hours. 

    All of these companies laying off all of these people . . . . where the hell are all of these people going to find jobs? 
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    So how do the markets digest a company like yahoo planning on canning 1,500 people?  Naturally they send the stock up 7% or so in after hours. 

    All of these companies laying off all of these people . . . . where the hell are all of these people going to find jobs? 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 21, 2008 - 8:01 PM ET #36

    we are not done to the down side
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    we are not done to the down side
     
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    Posted: Oct. 21, 2008 - 9:10 PM ET #37

    Gentlemen - I bought Ford at $2.75 thinking, cripes this is as cheap as it was when my old man bought his first Mercury.  Monday Kerkorian decides to dump a portion of his 100 some odd million shares.  Fugg!   Obviously any s/t upside is now lost.   
     
    Thoughts on DD or CE?  Hammered by earnings misses today, but damn these are good dividend-producing companies with forward PE < 10. 
     
    I bought POT today with the same thinking in mind.  Their striking miners are stupid if they think they can get a better deal than the one management has (had?) on the table. 
     
    Thanks...  
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    Gentlemen - I bought Ford at $2.75 thinking, cripes this is as cheap as it was when my old man bought his first Mercury.  Monday Kerkorian decides to dump a portion of his 100 some odd million shares.  Fugg!   Obviously any s/t upside is now lost.   
     
    Thoughts on DD or CE?  Hammered by earnings misses today, but damn these are good dividend-producing companies with forward PE < 10. 
     
    I bought POT today with the same thinking in mind.  Their striking miners are stupid if they think they can get a better deal than the one management has (had?) on the table. 
     
    Thanks...  
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2008 - 12:44 AM ET #38

    Exactly............
     
    All the people being layed off from work now WILL NOT find jobs anytime soon.
     
    YHOO yesterday was just the beginning.
     
    There will be lay-off announcements literally from now until the end of the year.
     
    Going to be one long, cold, bleak, horrible winter.....and I'm not talking weather.
     
    Now is the time for the USA to pull its head out of its ass (been there for the last 45 years, btw) and totally OVERHAUL our transportation industry from how engines are built to rail systems and all points in between.  That right there would create jobs and industrial growth.  But hate to say it, the gov't is totally void of leadership to pull this off.
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    Exactly............
     
    All the people being layed off from work now WILL NOT find jobs anytime soon.
     
    YHOO yesterday was just the beginning.
     
    There will be lay-off announcements literally from now until the end of the year.
     
    Going to be one long, cold, bleak, horrible winter.....and I'm not talking weather.
     
    Now is the time for the USA to pull its head out of its ass (been there for the last 45 years, btw) and totally OVERHAUL our transportation industry from how engines are built to rail systems and all points in between.  That right there would create jobs and industrial growth.  But hate to say it, the gov't is totally void of leadership to pull this off.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2008 - 12:49 AM ET #39

    Judge-
     
    Only thing that could save F right now is a take-over/merger where, for some strange reason, the buyer offers a premium to its current price of 2ish.  Maybe 3ish?  Best case scenario for F.
     
    The USA auto industry needs a 180 degree overhaul of basically everything.  Some companies will come out smelling like roses, and if you can figure out who they're going to be, you will be happy with your investments.
     
    Transportation/alternative energy are the 2 sectors offerring the most growth potential the next 20 years.
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    Judge-
     
    Only thing that could save F right now is a take-over/merger where, for some strange reason, the buyer offers a premium to its current price of 2ish.  Maybe 3ish?  Best case scenario for F.
     
    The USA auto industry needs a 180 degree overhaul of basically everything.  Some companies will come out smelling like roses, and if you can figure out who they're going to be, you will be happy with your investments.
     
    Transportation/alternative energy are the 2 sectors offerring the most growth potential the next 20 years.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2008 - 1:13 AM ET #40

    CC,

    Private money and VC money is history, I dont see how a deal can be made to buy F with a 4B marketcap and 160B in debt and only 22B in cash, plus Ive read that they are HEAVILY invested in CDO investments.


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    CC,

    Private money and VC money is history, I dont see how a deal can be made to buy F with a 4B marketcap and 160B in debt and only 22B in cash, plus Ive read that they are HEAVILY invested in CDO investments.


     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2008 - 1:30 AM ET #41

    Thank you gents.  Leaning that way and you've tipped me over to pull out of F. 
     
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    Thank you gents.  Leaning that way and you've tipped me over to pull out of F. 
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2008 - 3:25 PM ET #42

    Looks like another down 500 day in the cards, this action on no volume is nuts.


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    Looks like another down 500 day in the cards, this action on no volume is nuts.


     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2008 - 3:26 PM ET #43

    WS you playin anythig on the game tonight?
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    WS you playin anythig on the game tonight?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2008 - 3:31 PM ET #44

    Hat,

    I havent played bases all post-season and I think my account is happier for the decision.



    I didnt see your up/down thread yesterday, I think it wasnt around long and it went out -125/-115 last I checked.


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    Hat,

    I havent played bases all post-season and I think my account is happier for the decision.



    I didnt see your up/down thread yesterday, I think it wasnt around long and it went out -125/-115 last I checked.


     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2008 - 3:37 PM ET #45

    if anyone is interested in vacation ideas

    Mexico and Argentina

    are fine places to go now that the USD is king again...Argentina is in the process of defaulting...check TEO and TAR
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    if anyone is interested in vacation ideas

    Mexico and Argentina

    are fine places to go now that the USD is king again...Argentina is in the process of defaulting...check TEO and TAR
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2008 - 3:41 PM ET #46

    Koaj,

    The USD has been on fire, I noticed the chart yesterday, a move from 60 cents and change vs the Euro up to almost 80 cents.

    I think it hits par and higher, and it is partly why there is pressure on our markets. The holders of our stocks are not getting an extra bargain and are probably selling seeing the exchange rate dropping.

    Also our exchange rate going up is negative for exports and GDP.
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    Koaj,

    The USD has been on fire, I noticed the chart yesterday, a move from 60 cents and change vs the Euro up to almost 80 cents.

    I think it hits par and higher, and it is partly why there is pressure on our markets. The holders of our stocks are not getting an extra bargain and are probably selling seeing the exchange rate dropping.

    Also our exchange rate going up is negative for exports and GDP.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2008 - 3:43 PM ET #47

    From down 450 to down 650 in what like 15 minutes?


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    From down 450 to down 650 in what like 15 minutes?


     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2008 - 3:47 PM ET #48

    I didn't make one yesterday...fell asleep at like 8 pm.  I can' remember the last time I fell asleep that early!
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    I didn't make one yesterday...fell asleep at like 8 pm.  I can' remember the last time I fell asleep that early!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2008 - 3:49 PM ET #49

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    From down 450 to down 650 in what like 15 minutes?




    from what i hear...the margin man comes calling around 3p or so everyday. other funds know this and short the mkt in anticipation of the fund dumping

    another theory...these are all mutual fund redemption. hedge funds and others have pre-determined redemption days, Q end, etc whereas mutual funds must do it the day of...hence the 3pm sell off everyday
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    From down 450 to down 650 in what like 15 minutes?




    from what i hear...the margin man comes calling around 3p or so everyday. other funds know this and short the mkt in anticipation of the fund dumping

    another theory...these are all mutual fund redemption. hedge funds and others have pre-determined redemption days, Q end, etc whereas mutual funds must do it the day of...hence the 3pm sell off everyday
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 22, 2008 - 3:59 PM ET #50

    Its also thin trading..for us to go from 400 to almost 700 and back to 540 in less than 30 minutes is just paper thin bid/offers.

    Lately it seems when the bond market closes then the real lunacy begins.
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    Its also thin trading..for us to go from 400 to almost 700 and back to 540 in less than 30 minutes is just paper thin bid/offers.

    Lately it seems when the bond market closes then the real lunacy begins.
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