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    investing in a pallet producing wood shop.

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    nature1970
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    Posted: Mar. 14, 2017 - 2:33 PM ET #1

    Everything shipped any where needs a pallet. 
    markets are all over the place in constructing a standard 40 in by 48 in 4 way wooden pallet. start up costs are moderate . looking forward to seeing a pallet completed for under 2000 and every subsequent pallet complete for 3.25 a pc to push into a market paying 7-17.00 for similar pallet whether reconditioned or new.


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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    Everything shipped any where needs a pallet. 
    markets are all over the place in constructing a standard 40 in by 48 in 4 way wooden pallet. start up costs are moderate . looking forward to seeing a pallet completed for under 2000 and every subsequent pallet complete for 3.25 a pc to push into a market paying 7-17.00 for similar pallet whether reconditioned or new.


     
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    Posted: Mar. 14, 2017 - 3:30 PM ET #2

    will begin with a small production scope to understand cost of producing 200 grade b 2 ton spec 4 way hardwood new pallet.

    difference between grade a and b is a kiln design curing process to dry the wood quickly and to establish a sanitized material.
    it lightens the pallet by 60% with reduction of water content from green to dry wood.
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    will begin with a small production scope to understand cost of producing 200 grade b 2 ton spec 4 way hardwood new pallet.

    difference between grade a and b is a kiln design curing process to dry the wood quickly and to establish a sanitized material.
    it lightens the pallet by 60% with reduction of water content from green to dry wood.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 14, 2017 - 7:27 PM ET #3

    In an application of a feasibility study of the costs associated to the basis of all shipping,
    the actual fabrication costs associated with materilizing a pallet capable of with standing the process of delivering one ton of cargo with less than 15 newtons stress delivered to package. 

    a pallet.
    is constructed with 1.25 board feet of material.
    the amount need with perfect 6 in wood arranged in a four by four by 8 area. all 102 pieces.
    the narrow width of a modern day band saw, makes a less curf than an international scale rule offered with a 1/4 curf rotary blad saws.
    the enhanced finer width allows less to go to saw dust.

    the needed material to build one half pallets can be adjusted using cnc tecnology and a scale of bolt wood specs to a 6 in minimum top 52 inch hard wood bolt wood for 250 a cord. or high grade treelength hardwood minum 6 inch top for 23 foot length at 91 a ton .hence postage stamp application takes one cord of bolt wood mills it for 125.00 and materializes 150-200 pallets in a feasibility study.
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    In an application of a feasibility study of the costs associated to the basis of all shipping,
    the actual fabrication costs associated with materilizing a pallet capable of with standing the process of delivering one ton of cargo with less than 15 newtons stress delivered to package. 

    a pallet.
    is constructed with 1.25 board feet of material.
    the amount need with perfect 6 in wood arranged in a four by four by 8 area. all 102 pieces.
    the narrow width of a modern day band saw, makes a less curf than an international scale rule offered with a 1/4 curf rotary blad saws.
    the enhanced finer width allows less to go to saw dust.

    the needed material to build one half pallets can be adjusted using cnc tecnology and a scale of bolt wood specs to a 6 in minimum top 52 inch hard wood bolt wood for 250 a cord. or high grade treelength hardwood minum 6 inch top for 23 foot length at 91 a ton .hence postage stamp application takes one cord of bolt wood mills it for 125.00 and materializes 150-200 pallets in a feasibility study.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2017 - 9:42 AM ET #4

    ordered one cord of bolt hardwood.. 
    specs mimimum 6 inch diameter all 3 inches for trim.
    with less than 1/4 inch sweep.
    species to include Yellow Birch, Beech, maple, ash, and or oak.
    not allowed popal aspen bass wood or any evergreen material.

    cost for special stock order at quanity 250.00 delivered to band saw mill.

    the minimum 6 inch is 14 cuts to materialize 10 5/16 " pallet boards, and 3 rails.3 1/4 inches by 5/4 inch rough sawn stock.
    this allows 6 boards on top and 4 under neath with threerail one pallet frame ideally 150 pallets for one cord of stock should be materilize
    the first run will be run on an april 25th deadline to pallet board stock...
    meanwhile i am building a frame jig, so boards can be placed easily and efficiently for fasteners (*Framing gun nails, or butt plate screws ).
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    ordered one cord of bolt hardwood.. 
    specs mimimum 6 inch diameter all 3 inches for trim.
    with less than 1/4 inch sweep.
    species to include Yellow Birch, Beech, maple, ash, and or oak.
    not allowed popal aspen bass wood or any evergreen material.

    cost for special stock order at quanity 250.00 delivered to band saw mill.

    the minimum 6 inch is 14 cuts to materialize 10 5/16 " pallet boards, and 3 rails.3 1/4 inches by 5/4 inch rough sawn stock.
    this allows 6 boards on top and 4 under neath with threerail one pallet frame ideally 150 pallets for one cord of stock should be materilize
    the first run will be run on an april 25th deadline to pallet board stock...
    meanwhile i am building a frame jig, so boards can be placed easily and efficiently for fasteners (*Framing gun nails, or butt plate screws ).
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2017 - 9:53 AM ET #5

    saw mill owner is charging 100.00 to mill the 400 board feet of material to specifications. the 52 inch stock. total projected cause for pallet material will be 350.00 at mill. 

    this gives material costs for production at 2.25 a pallet.
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    saw mill owner is charging 100.00 to mill the 400 board feet of material to specifications. the 52 inch stock. total projected cause for pallet material will be 350.00 at mill. 

    this gives material costs for production at 2.25 a pallet.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 15, 2017 - 1:47 PM ET #6

    <--- 52 inch 6 inch bolt wood pattern cut for sawyer of pallet board. 

    darkened shaded areas is the void of saw dust left by the band saw blade 3/32nd of inch and the tremor occured with cutting to give a 1/32nd variance producing 3 3 1/4 inch rails, 8 5/16th inch boards.
    every 16 stock piece must be set to just board measurements to fill in the voids of cut losses.
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    <--- 52 inch 6 inch bolt wood pattern cut for sawyer of pallet board. 

    darkened shaded areas is the void of saw dust left by the band saw blade 3/32nd of inch and the tremor occured with cutting to give a 1/32nd variance producing 3 3 1/4 inch rails, 8 5/16th inch boards.
    every 16 stock piece must be set to just board measurements to fill in the voids of cut losses.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 21, 2017 - 12:00 AM ET #7

    I throw pallets around all day long. Those blue ones have some serious weight. The rest of them aren't made to last. Good luck with your venture. 


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    I throw pallets around all day long. Those blue ones have some serious weight. The rest of them aren't made to last. Good luck with your venture. 


     
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    Posted: Mar. 21, 2017 - 11:30 AM ET #8

    thank you , we ar in the game rebuilding pallets, but this is to expand our capabilities, 
    me and a partner have on small order to fill this summer so far 4,000 for a potato packing house. hoping that this will allow us to get more business. we can expand to include more employees, and the material can be used for many applications, from potato barrels, to lt weight boxes and apple boxes. but where i am at right now is to understand the dynamic of building from wood harvested, about the only two real commodities we export up here is wood and potatoes...

    it is a learning experience.... 
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    thank you , we ar in the game rebuilding pallets, but this is to expand our capabilities, 
    me and a partner have on small order to fill this summer so far 4,000 for a potato packing house. hoping that this will allow us to get more business. we can expand to include more employees, and the material can be used for many applications, from potato barrels, to lt weight boxes and apple boxes. but where i am at right now is to understand the dynamic of building from wood harvested, about the only two real commodities we export up here is wood and potatoes...

    it is a learning experience.... 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 22, 2017 - 11:48 AM ET #9

    purpose of this thread in investments is show How to.

    build a manufacturing shipping buisness from the basis of the shipping structures them selves, it shows exactly how to build a manufacturing buisness with a min investment of 2,000 until this hobby/buisness can be an employee production based buisness from building with in its set up. 
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    purpose of this thread in investments is show How to.

    build a manufacturing shipping buisness from the basis of the shipping structures them selves, it shows exactly how to build a manufacturing buisness with a min investment of 2,000 until this hobby/buisness can be an employee production based buisness from building with in its set up. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 23, 2017 - 1:54 AM ET #10

    <---- wood is cut going to mill. to be comfortable in avg pick up 1/3 cord of green hardwood weighs 1500 pounds most half ton pick ups are rated for this weight.
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    <---- wood is cut going to mill. to be comfortable in avg pick up 1/3 cord of green hardwood weighs 1500 pounds most half ton pick ups are rated for this weight.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 23, 2017 - 11:07 PM ET #11

    tool list

    router on a stand to cut the 1 1/2 in side notch on the rails of the pallets. a stright cut 2 in bit and a gig can cut the 10 in gap efficiently precisely and safely. 

    skill saw hand held to cut stock to length.

    drill to plunge holes for screws so boards can be secured to rails with less risk of splitting from pressure of driving a nail into a hardwood board with a framing gun.

    driver to seat the deck screws.

    saw the pkg at least price being offered at Harbor Freight. total costs for tools 200 .

    so far 375 in stock 200 in tools need 150 for deck screws extra bits and drills.
    total cost of project 750.00 so far.


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    tool list

    router on a stand to cut the 1 1/2 in side notch on the rails of the pallets. a stright cut 2 in bit and a gig can cut the 10 in gap efficiently precisely and safely. 

    skill saw hand held to cut stock to length.

    drill to plunge holes for screws so boards can be secured to rails with less risk of splitting from pressure of driving a nail into a hardwood board with a framing gun.

    driver to seat the deck screws.

    saw the pkg at least price being offered at Harbor Freight. total costs for tools 200 .

    so far 375 in stock 200 in tools need 150 for deck screws extra bits and drills.
    total cost of project 750.00 so far.


     
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    Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 11:56 AM ET #12

    today have an appointment for workmans comp and general liabilty insurance for the company being formed, have my ein made from the feds to allow payroll application. listing company as a limited partner ship. for now , looking to make it a limited liscence corporation in future. but need minimum coverage to offset any possibility of losing it all if someone gets hurt while on or around the property or buisness.

    renting a small space in a warehouse setting to use for the lt manufacturing of Pallets...
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    today have an appointment for workmans comp and general liabilty insurance for the company being formed, have my ein made from the feds to allow payroll application. listing company as a limited partner ship. for now , looking to make it a limited liscence corporation in future. but need minimum coverage to offset any possibility of losing it all if someone gets hurt while on or around the property or buisness.

    renting a small space in a warehouse setting to use for the lt manufacturing of Pallets...
     
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    Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 6:04 PM ET #13

    got back from the insurance agent.

    Workers compensation to cover 68,600 in labor.
    for the endeavor i am engaged with costs 610 down and 289 on a nine month payment plan. this allows for growth as sales increase and orders grow. hence cost total start up now 1440.


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    got back from the insurance agent.

    Workers compensation to cover 68,600 in labor.
    for the endeavor i am engaged with costs 610 down and 289 on a nine month payment plan. this allows for growth as sales increase and orders grow. hence cost total start up now 1440.


     
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    Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 10:15 PM ET #14

    stock should be ready for next week.

    having OSHA inspector schedualed tommorow ,

    state offers free consultations for start ups to with in compliance of OSHA regulations. 
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    stock should be ready for next week.

    having OSHA inspector schedualed tommorow ,

    state offers free consultations for start ups to with in compliance of OSHA regulations. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 24, 2017 - 10:17 PM ET #15

    rented warehouse space to build pallets able to have rent for 100 a month plus energy use from electrical meter.  up to 1550 in start up application.
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    rented warehouse space to build pallets able to have rent for 100 a month plus energy use from electrical meter.  up to 1550 in start up application.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 6, 2017 - 9:52 PM ET #16

    Headed to mill to get the boards.
    Picking up on Saturday should be building on Monday. ...
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    Headed to mill to get the boards.
    Picking up on Saturday should be building on Monday. ...
     
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    Posted: Apr. 7, 2017 - 6:32 PM ET #17

    Can I invest
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    for me i know what kills me is the taxes
    federal corporate taxes
    local corporate taxes
    federal income taxes
    local income taxes
    etc

    bol
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    for me i know what kills me is the taxes
    federal corporate taxes
    local corporate taxes
    federal income taxes
    local income taxes
    etc

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    Posted: Apr. 10, 2017 - 4:02 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy4u:

    Can I invest

    The purpose was not to get investment in my business but to show a working model of how you can invest in your area for your business. I will give any information on how to get started. Where to go how to get the forms done and what actual costs and problems you might face in start up.
    I would gladly affiliate with other producers in contracted orders and needs
    I am looking into pallet and shake box business. Because e everything shipped goes by pallet. But I like you to have your own endeavor to apply your money in your area and produce jobs citizens can work and prosper doing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy4u:

    Can I invest

    The purpose was not to get investment in my business but to show a working model of how you can invest in your area for your business. I will give any information on how to get started. Where to go how to get the forms done and what actual costs and problems you might face in start up.
    I would gladly affiliate with other producers in contracted orders and needs
    I am looking into pallet and shake box business. Because e everything shipped goes by pallet. But I like you to have your own endeavor to apply your money in your area and produce jobs citizens can work and prosper doing.


     
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    Posted: Apr. 10, 2017 - 4:14 PM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by misters:

    for me i know what kills me is the taxesfederal corporate taxeslocal corporate taxesfederal income taxeslocal income taxesetcbol

    My largest expense so far is insurance.
    Workman's comp business liability and law suit insurance in case I am sued is the largest initial start up expense.
    But to be very real here I bought a cord of clear hardwood. And had it milled by aan who owns a band saw personal saw mill.
    The stock is almost entirely rails and not many boards so I am buying another cord to have mostly boards sawn from the stock.

    Any valuable boards like curly maple or birds eye I am putting aside. These can go as high as 15 a linear foot for 6 in by 1/2 in board and be used for upper residential kitchen cabinets wardrobes dressers tables decks thwarts seats for water craft
    And other high end craftsman projects.
    If this works well hardwood is 80 a cord tree length. What does not make boards and dimension stock I plan to turn into bundled fire wood . hence greatly diminision the actual costs buying hard wood by 10 Wheeler 8 cords is a 700 investment.
    Buying two cords of special ordered wood
    Is costing me near 500 milling is the same 250,a thousand board feet. About 2 cords in a thousand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by misters:

    for me i know what kills me is the taxesfederal corporate taxeslocal corporate taxesfederal income taxeslocal income taxesetcbol

    My largest expense so far is insurance.
    Workman's comp business liability and law suit insurance in case I am sued is the largest initial start up expense.
    But to be very real here I bought a cord of clear hardwood. And had it milled by aan who owns a band saw personal saw mill.
    The stock is almost entirely rails and not many boards so I am buying another cord to have mostly boards sawn from the stock.

    Any valuable boards like curly maple or birds eye I am putting aside. These can go as high as 15 a linear foot for 6 in by 1/2 in board and be used for upper residential kitchen cabinets wardrobes dressers tables decks thwarts seats for water craft
    And other high end craftsman projects.
    If this works well hardwood is 80 a cord tree length. What does not make boards and dimension stock I plan to turn into bundled fire wood . hence greatly diminision the actual costs buying hard wood by 10 Wheeler 8 cords is a 700 investment.
    Buying two cords of special ordered wood
    Is costing me near 500 milling is the same 250,a thousand board feet. About 2 cords in a thousand.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2017 - 5:40 PM ET #21

    Picking up stock today finally.
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    Picking up stock today finally.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2017 - 1:38 PM ET #22

    In this feasibility study 375 in stock can produce
    75 pallets. Pallets would cost 5 a PC for materials.

    Mill owner stated that it took him 15 hours and 3 band saw blades to mill the hardwood. Need 200 a cord.
    Cost of hard wood pulp could be reduced to
    100 a cord
     But pallets still would be over 5 when labor was
    Addressed. 
    Bottom line unless a person owned the entire 
    Operation. And milled the wood for cabinet furniture
    Stock using pallets stock to address waste
    And utilized the pulp waste in firewood and pellets
    This is not feasible to make a profit.

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    In this feasibility study 375 in stock can produce
    75 pallets. Pallets would cost 5 a PC for materials.

    Mill owner stated that it took him 15 hours and 3 band saw blades to mill the hardwood. Need 200 a cord.
    Cost of hard wood pulp could be reduced to
    100 a cord
     But pallets still would be over 5 when labor was
    Addressed. 
    Bottom line unless a person owned the entire 
    Operation. And milled the wood for cabinet furniture
    Stock using pallets stock to address waste
    And utilized the pulp waste in firewood and pellets
    This is not feasible to make a profit.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2017 - 1:22 PM ET #23

    Important to note that both ends of the pallet need to be beveled to allow pallet jack wheels to easily enter and lift the pallet.  Most delivery warehouses will not accept non-beveled pallets and distributors will not except non-beveled pallets for exchange.

    If you can find a warehouse near you that recycles broken pallets for pennies on the dollar you will be in good shape.  You'll be in better shape if you can bribe the trailer loader to put the first four stakes of already good pallets into the nose of the trailer followed by the broken product.
    ~~~~~ZOSO~~~~~
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    Important to note that both ends of the pallet need to be beveled to allow pallet jack wheels to easily enter and lift the pallet.  Most delivery warehouses will not accept non-beveled pallets and distributors will not except non-beveled pallets for exchange.

    If you can find a warehouse near you that recycles broken pallets for pennies on the dollar you will be in good shape.  You'll be in better shape if you can bribe the trailer loader to put the first four stakes of already good pallets into the nose of the trailer followed by the broken product.
     
    nature1970
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    Posted: Apr. 21, 2017 - 8:51 PM ET #24

    Thanks goose. I now into this stupid over costs . but I started to invest in the whole operation. A portable mill runs 5 g new in box. I landed a nice pick up 2003 Chevy Silverado for a grand fixing it for a sticker needs rockers and brake lines should have it on the road for another 500 . spotted a couple lots up here that would work for a commercial industrial application an acre plus for 2.5 g in Milo and a 4 acre parcel in orient for 3500. There are others more suited but I rather not reveal them on this site . I believe I can have an operational lumber mill with a wheeler load of hard wood for around 10 g or about what 1/2 what I make during fiddlehead season went over the notes.
    The mill owner I sent the clear ash to never sawed hardwood and for discouraged cut huge slabs of board stock just for slab wood. I believe I can hwt a lot more boards cutting them myself with less waste. The waste I bundle and sell for 2 bucks a bundle whole sale and the fire wood should give me the board stock free.
    I wanted to use others but I like working with wood. Processed 1000's of cords with the old man growing up we had a firewood business . I understand hardwood needs almost a metal saw blade
    So this endeavor is on hold.
    Too honest to try to screw a business over thank you for the heads up on the beveling
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    Thanks goose. I now into this stupid over costs . but I started to invest in the whole operation. A portable mill runs 5 g new in box. I landed a nice pick up 2003 Chevy Silverado for a grand fixing it for a sticker needs rockers and brake lines should have it on the road for another 500 . spotted a couple lots up here that would work for a commercial industrial application an acre plus for 2.5 g in Milo and a 4 acre parcel in orient for 3500. There are others more suited but I rather not reveal them on this site . I believe I can have an operational lumber mill with a wheeler load of hard wood for around 10 g or about what 1/2 what I make during fiddlehead season went over the notes.
    The mill owner I sent the clear ash to never sawed hardwood and for discouraged cut huge slabs of board stock just for slab wood. I believe I can hwt a lot more boards cutting them myself with less waste. The waste I bundle and sell for 2 bucks a bundle whole sale and the fire wood should give me the board stock free.
    I wanted to use others but I like working with wood. Processed 1000's of cords with the old man growing up we had a firewood business . I understand hardwood needs almost a metal saw blade
    So this endeavor is on hold.
    Too honest to try to screw a business over thank you for the heads up on the beveling
     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 27, 2017 - 10:04 PM ET #25

    A beveled block pallet is disclosed, the pallet being stringers supporting blocks, the blocks supporting stringers. The blocks are tapered to form a trapezoid shape to permit more strength with less weight.

    I worked in the recycling industry for about 3 years and a pallet can fetch you about 1.25 if its not in bad condition. at least here in South Florida

    Wish you the best... you may also use your scrap wood to do projects such as tables etc.. youd find pretty cool videos on youtube involving scrap pallet wood
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    A beveled block pallet is disclosed, the pallet being stringers supporting blocks, the blocks supporting stringers. The blocks are tapered to form a trapezoid shape to permit more strength with less weight.

    I worked in the recycling industry for about 3 years and a pallet can fetch you about 1.25 if its not in bad condition. at least here in South Florida

    Wish you the best... you may also use your scrap wood to do projects such as tables etc.. youd find pretty cool videos on youtube involving scrap pallet wood
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