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    KOAJ
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2009 - 12:09 PM ET #26

    seems like someone is bullish on oil
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    seems like someone is bullish on oil
     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2009 - 11:11 PM ET #27

    This particular bear market rally could end 2 days ago, or could go on non-stop for 5-6 more years before collapsing to absolute zero once the social security ponzi scheme is confessed, and no more money can be printed up cause inflation is running amok.
     
    Big moeny boys want it up and are going to fry the daylights out of shorts at any and all opportunities.
     
    As I have said before, YOU CANNOT even think about attempting to short this market now unless you have inside info on something or like to be run over by the machine.  The easy trade is still to trade long pullbacks, but take money off the table when it's there, keeping one eye on the door at all times.
     
    But still, the long haul future for the world financial markets could not be any bleaker-----period.
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    This particular bear market rally could end 2 days ago, or could go on non-stop for 5-6 more years before collapsing to absolute zero once the social security ponzi scheme is confessed, and no more money can be printed up cause inflation is running amok.
     
    Big moeny boys want it up and are going to fry the daylights out of shorts at any and all opportunities.
     
    As I have said before, YOU CANNOT even think about attempting to short this market now unless you have inside info on something or like to be run over by the machine.  The easy trade is still to trade long pullbacks, but take money off the table when it's there, keeping one eye on the door at all times.
     
    But still, the long haul future for the world financial markets could not be any bleaker-----period.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2009 - 1:23 PM ET #28

    seems like someone is bullish on oil
     
    the standard assumption is that the "mortgage meltdown" was the cause of the crash BUT I believe those ulter high fuel prices last summer were a major factor. it tanked the auto market, the airline industry and sent transport costs thru the roof which lead to massive layoffs and the economy going into the sewer.
     
    another phoney baloney oil "price spike" could REALLY tank an already weak economy
     
    QID's anyone? it's trading at or close to all time lows. this market sobbers up and turns south it will be back to 40 faster than you can say Henry "Pat" Paulson
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    seems like someone is bullish on oil
     
    the standard assumption is that the "mortgage meltdown" was the cause of the crash BUT I believe those ulter high fuel prices last summer were a major factor. it tanked the auto market, the airline industry and sent transport costs thru the roof which lead to massive layoffs and the economy going into the sewer.
     
    another phoney baloney oil "price spike" could REALLY tank an already weak economy
     
    QID's anyone? it's trading at or close to all time lows. this market sobbers up and turns south it will be back to 40 faster than you can say Henry "Pat" Paulson
     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2009 - 1:27 PM ET #29

    the standard assumption is that the "mortgage meltdown" was the cause of the crash BUT I believe those ulter high fuel prices last summer were a major factor. it tanked the auto market, the airline industry and sent transport costs thru the roof which lead to massive layoffs and the economy going into the sewer.
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    we were headed there anyway but this really pushed things forward
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    the standard assumption is that the "mortgage meltdown" was the cause of the crash BUT I believe those ulter high fuel prices last summer were a major factor. it tanked the auto market, the airline industry and sent transport costs thru the roof which lead to massive layoffs and the economy going into the sewer.
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    we were headed there anyway but this really pushed things forward
     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2009 - 1:52 PM ET #30

    looking at your FAZ here at 4.40, KOAJ. looks  
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    looking at your FAZ here at 4.40, KOAJ. looks  
     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2009 - 2:09 PM ET #31

    tell me about it rink....thought about taking my losses and running which means its a screaming buy
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    tell me about it rink....thought about taking my losses and running which means its a screaming buy
     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2009 - 2:26 PM ET #32

    btw, the gamers are a mixed mess today. WYNN + 1.13 BYD - 0.26 MGM + 0.11 but hit an early interday low of 7.26 and LVS + 0.46 with STILL no stock to short @ TD.
     
    MGM with late day rallies the last 3 days. will see IF it can do it again. current 7.60
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    btw, the gamers are a mixed mess today. WYNN + 1.13 BYD - 0.26 MGM + 0.11 but hit an early interday low of 7.26 and LVS + 0.46 with STILL no stock to short @ TD.
     
    MGM with late day rallies the last 3 days. will see IF it can do it again. current 7.60
     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2009 - 2:33 PM ET #33

    positioning into FAZ. bot 1k @ 4.39
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    positioning into FAZ. bot 1k @ 4.39
     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2009 - 3:07 PM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:

    positioning into FAZ. bot 1k @ 4.39


    prob a good trade

    considering the government is supporting equities and trying to buy bonds to keep yields down...they cant do both at once

    10 yr moved 15bps today which is insane...they will pull money from equities and buy bonds
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:

    positioning into FAZ. bot 1k @ 4.39


    prob a good trade

    considering the government is supporting equities and trying to buy bonds to keep yields down...they cant do both at once

    10 yr moved 15bps today which is insane...they will pull money from equities and buy bonds
     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2009 - 4:01 PM ET #35

    added 2k FAZ @ 4.40 and 5k in the IRA mostly as a hedge
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    added 2k FAZ @ 4.40 and 5k in the IRA mostly as a hedge
     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2009 - 4:18 PM ET #36

     TBT rocking today...I got lucky and bought some after the Chinese students laughed in Geithner's face...

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     TBT rocking today...I got lucky and bought some after the Chinese students laughed in Geithner's face...

     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2009 - 4:56 PM ET #37

    good shit vermeer

    govt cant hold up equities and hold down yields at the same time

    bernanke also yelled at Barry the other day in congress warning about deficits. he knows bond market puke day is coming

    that will be the day that we see a 50bp or more move in the 10 year and its the lead story on every news program
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    good shit vermeer

    govt cant hold up equities and hold down yields at the same time

    bernanke also yelled at Barry the other day in congress warning about deficits. he knows bond market puke day is coming

    that will be the day that we see a 50bp or more move in the 10 year and its the lead story on every news program
     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2009 - 5:21 PM ET #38

     I missed Bernanke going at Barny the other day, hat must have been very funny...

     The average Chinese student is serious as a heart attack.I figured anything that would get a group of them to laugh had to be worth following up, especially since I am bearish long term treasures anyway. It is a pity that no one in this country has the cajones to laugh at palpable absurdity.

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     I missed Bernanke going at Barny the other day, hat must have been very funny...

     The average Chinese student is serious as a heart attack.I figured anything that would get a group of them to laugh had to be worth following up, especially since I am bearish long term treasures anyway. It is a pity that no one in this country has the cajones to laugh at palpable absurdity.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2009 - 12:15 AM ET #39

    Quote Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:

    positioning into FAZ. bot 1k @ 4.39
    FUnny.  I bought some  Jan $2.00 Faz calls today.  I think this rally is bullshit and only a matter of time before we reverse course.  Also Bought some Drys calls too.  If the market corrects, Faz should do very well.  If the rally continues, Drys should see over 10 soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:

    positioning into FAZ. bot 1k @ 4.39
    FUnny.  I bought some  Jan $2.00 Faz calls today.  I think this rally is bullshit and only a matter of time before we reverse course.  Also Bought some Drys calls too.  If the market corrects, Faz should do very well.  If the rally continues, Drys should see over 10 soon.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2009 - 1:52 PM ET #40

    jobs number this morning was completely cooked

    cant have ADP payrolls come in at -600k and then the jobless number come in at -345k

    government used to be more discreet about fudging numbers. now they dont care
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    jobs number this morning was completely cooked

    cant have ADP payrolls come in at -600k and then the jobless number come in at -345k

    government used to be more discreet about fudging numbers. now they dont care
     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2009 - 5:24 PM ET #41

    Yeah, Barney Frank is nauseating--fits all the stereotypes, too-----all of 'em.
     
    The fundamentals of the global economy couldn't be worse------but cause this is vicious bear market rally we're in, it could go higher-----lot of shorts out there still to terrorize.
     
    JMHO here, but I wouldn't be lining up to short this market in the very near term------too many yahoos out there trying it and getting crushed, crushed, and crushed some more.
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    Yeah, Barney Frank is nauseating--fits all the stereotypes, too-----all of 'em.
     
    The fundamentals of the global economy couldn't be worse------but cause this is vicious bear market rally we're in, it could go higher-----lot of shorts out there still to terrorize.
     
    JMHO here, but I wouldn't be lining up to short this market in the very near term------too many yahoos out there trying it and getting crushed, crushed, and crushed some more.
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2009 - 7:27 PM ET #42

    Those owning FAZ (or FAS) I wouldn't hold too long term.  I did a quick analysis.  If you shorted each at the beginning of a month and then closed out your short of each you'd make a net 23% gain each month.  Run the math yourself.  The decay is killer.

    Only time that didn't work that way was when FAS bottomed in the 2's and then doubled a few times.  But now that they are close to each other if you want to make a nice scalp short each on Monday for the month of June and cover at the end of the month for a nice 20% gain.
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    Those owning FAZ (or FAS) I wouldn't hold too long term.  I did a quick analysis.  If you shorted each at the beginning of a month and then closed out your short of each you'd make a net 23% gain each month.  Run the math yourself.  The decay is killer.

    Only time that didn't work that way was when FAS bottomed in the 2's and then doubled a few times.  But now that they are close to each other if you want to make a nice scalp short each on Monday for the month of June and cover at the end of the month for a nice 20% gain.
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