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    Fed lowers discount rate by half a percentage point

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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 8:39 AM ET #1

    WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The Federal Reserve said it's cut the discount rate to 5.75%, down from 6.25% previously, in a move aimed at narrowing the gap between the discount rate and the federal funds rate, the target for which reaims at 5.25%. "Financial market conditions have deteriorated, and tighter credit conditions and increased uncertainty have the potential to restrain economic growth," the policy-setting Federal Open Market Committee said in a statement. Accordingly, the FOMC said it "judges that the downside risks to growth have increased appreciably." Fed officials are "monitoring the situation" and are "prepared to act as needed to mitigate the adverse effects on the economy arising from the disruptions in financial markets," the FOMC said. Stock futures, which had been broadly lower before the Fed's announcement, turned high almost immediately

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    WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The Federal Reserve said it's cut the discount rate to 5.75%, down from 6.25% previously, in a move aimed at narrowing the gap between the discount rate and the federal funds rate, the target for which reaims at 5.25%. "Financial market conditions have deteriorated, and tighter credit conditions and increased uncertainty have the potential to restrain economic growth," the policy-setting Federal Open Market Committee said in a statement. Accordingly, the FOMC said it "judges that the downside risks to growth have increased appreciably." Fed officials are "monitoring the situation" and are "prepared to act as needed to mitigate the adverse effects on the economy arising from the disruptions in financial markets," the FOMC said. Stock futures, which had been broadly lower before the Fed's announcement, turned high almost immediately

     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 8:43 AM ET #2

    this is crazy stuff
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    this is crazy stuff
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 8:53 AM ET #3

    the statement...ive bolded the most important (in my eyes)

    For immediate release

    Financial market conditions have deteriorated, and tighter credit conditions and increased uncertainty have the potential to restrain economic growth going forward. In these circumstances, although recent data suggest that the economy has continued to expand at a moderate pace, the Federal Open Market Committee judges that the downside risks to growth have increased appreciably. The Committee is monitoring the situation and is prepared to act as needed to mitigate the adverse effects on the economy arising from the disruptions in financial markets.

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    the statement...ive bolded the most important (in my eyes)

    For immediate release

    Financial market conditions have deteriorated, and tighter credit conditions and increased uncertainty have the potential to restrain economic growth going forward. In these circumstances, although recent data suggest that the economy has continued to expand at a moderate pace, the Federal Open Market Committee judges that the downside risks to growth have increased appreciably. The Committee is monitoring the situation and is prepared to act as needed to mitigate the adverse effects on the economy arising from the disruptions in financial markets.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 8:55 AM ET #4

    Market will get a major short term pop, but be careful, and make no hasty long decisions.Lots of people will sell into this.Wallstreet, anyone got a notion as to how significant this will be for more than a day?
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    Market will get a major short term pop, but be careful, and make no hasty long decisions.Lots of people will sell into this.Wallstreet, anyone got a notion as to how significant this will be for more than a day?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 9:04 AM ET #5

    vermeer - last night i was thinking i was all set to buy some CSCO which i think is the best stock in the market right now

    then this pop
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    vermeer - last night i was thinking i was all set to buy some CSCO which i think is the best stock in the market right now

    then this pop
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 9:22 AM ET #6

    Yup...well, especially on a Friday, with options expiring etc etc etc, I am not jumping into anything. What had been on my mind was BAC simply because of its equivolume chart, and the fact that some guy in Omaha likes it, but...I think this will be a very short term impact, and I have no need to take new positions at the moment. Just curious what everybody thinks on this move by the Fed.
     
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    Yup...well, especially on a Friday, with options expiring etc etc etc, I am not jumping into anything. What had been on my mind was BAC simply because of its equivolume chart, and the fact that some guy in Omaha likes it, but...I think this will be a very short term impact, and I have no need to take new positions at the moment. Just curious what everybody thinks on this move by the Fed.
     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 9:27 AM ET #7

    the mkt loves it and wants 75bp cut in fed funds rate by the end of the year

    we're going to stay in a very low interest rate environment for a while i think...but its dangerous b/c of inflationary pressures

    so...do we keep rates low to keep businesses happy and risk inflation?

    or do we do nothing and let the mkt sort itself out but be there to give it a kick start once in a while? (like this morning)
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    the mkt loves it and wants 75bp cut in fed funds rate by the end of the year

    we're going to stay in a very low interest rate environment for a while i think...but its dangerous b/c of inflationary pressures

    so...do we keep rates low to keep businesses happy and risk inflation?

    or do we do nothing and let the mkt sort itself out but be there to give it a kick start once in a while? (like this morning)
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 9:32 AM ET #8

    I think it is more of a psychological relief to think that Ben Bernanke is not asleep at the switch. Fundamentally, does it really change anything? I do not think so, but fundamentals are overridden often by psychology.
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    I think it is more of a psychological relief to think that Ben Bernanke is not asleep at the switch. Fundamentally, does it really change anything? I do not think so, but fundamentals are overridden often by psychology.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 9:42 AM ET #9

    you are 100% right about psychology over fundamentals

    the market, all markets are governed by two elements...fear and greed. thats it

    weve been afraid for a month...so consider this relief from fear
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    you are 100% right about psychology over fundamentals

    the market, all markets are governed by two elements...fear and greed. thats it

    weve been afraid for a month...so consider this relief from fear
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 9:51 AM ET #10

    it's the feds only move at this point.....seems desperate (.50%) but I see it as a band-aid to stop the bleeding.
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    it's the feds only move at this point.....seems desperate (.50%) but I see it as a band-aid to stop the bleeding.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 9:56 AM ET #11

    KOAJ  Three elements govern all human activity  EGO/FEAR/GREED
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    KOAJ  Three elements govern all human activity  EGO/FEAR/GREED
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 9:59 AM ET #12

    i forgot about ego 666les

    amazingly enough, these quant funds are stress tested before putting their theories into action

    as per a lehman guy i read last week: what happened two weeks ago with the up 300 down 300 djia...was something that was factored for once every 10000 years but it happened 3 days in a row...they got whipped like crazy
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    i forgot about ego 666les

    amazingly enough, these quant funds are stress tested before putting their theories into action

    as per a lehman guy i read last week: what happened two weeks ago with the up 300 down 300 djia...was something that was factored for once every 10000 years but it happened 3 days in a row...they got whipped like crazy
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 9:59 AM ET #13

    Wholesale mortgage rates have lowered .125%- .25% for conforming fixed products. Hopefully there is not a mid day rate change (north) for these products with the first sign of bad news.
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    Wholesale mortgage rates have lowered .125%- .25% for conforming fixed products. Hopefully there is not a mid day rate change (north) for these products with the first sign of bad news.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 10:03 AM ET #14

    ....watch a reverse effect of yesterday's market.
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    ....watch a reverse effect of yesterday's market.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 10:06 AM ET #15

    these were the worst days to trade...such euphoria you wanted to be long

    but the only way to trade this market is to short the gap up
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    these were the worst days to trade...such euphoria you wanted to be long

    but the only way to trade this market is to short the gap up
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 10:26 AM ET #16

    huge spike move +320+ opening. now with one hour in +160.
     
    better hold or look out below
     
    and I agree with those that say it's a "bandaid". might save some over leveraged hedgehogs short term but does little to help the underlying problem of grossly over extended real estate lenders
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    huge spike move +320+ opening. now with one hour in +160.
     
    better hold or look out below
     
    and I agree with those that say it's a "bandaid". might save some over leveraged hedgehogs short term but does little to help the underlying problem of grossly over extended real estate lenders
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 10:40 AM ET #17

    A note from a pretty sharp guy...will be interested to see if he is correct about the close.

    Shorts, don't panic, the market will come back.. The market will finish lower than it opens.


     Hard to imagine that traders let it close lower, but I certainly rule nothing out today.
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    A note from a pretty sharp guy...will be interested to see if he is correct about the close.

    Shorts, don't panic, the market will come back.. The market will finish lower than it opens.


     Hard to imagine that traders let it close lower, but I certainly rule nothing out today.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 10:57 AM ET #18

    wouldnt surprise me in the least to see red today

    options will push the mkt in the afternoon
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    wouldnt surprise me in the least to see red today

    options will push the mkt in the afternoon
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 11:03 AM ET #19

    It would surprise me a lot to close red today.  I think it'll end up closing near where it started in the morning.  Up around 2%.
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    It would surprise me a lot to close red today.  I think it'll end up closing near where it started in the morning.  Up around 2%.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 11:18 AM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:

    It would surprise me a lot to close red today.  I think it'll end up closing near where it started in the morning.  Up around 2%.


    depends on the option players really...


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    Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:

    It would surprise me a lot to close red today.  I think it'll end up closing near where it started in the morning.  Up around 2%.


    depends on the option players really...


     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 1:12 PM ET #21

    KOAJ.  you are an avatar changing madman
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    KOAJ.  you are an avatar changing madman
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 1:34 PM ET #22

    gunners - my avatar's are based on my mood 
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    gunners - my avatar's are based on my mood 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 8:28 PM ET #23

    Bailout package....totally undeserved for CFC....they deserve to go straight to zero and bankruptcy.
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    Bailout package....totally undeserved for CFC....they deserve to go straight to zero and bankruptcy.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 8:30 PM ET #24

    I definitely think the smart money sold the hell out of this deal today, and the only ones buying were shorts covering their sorry asses, or suckers.
     
    Long SYY
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    Have a good week-end, guys.
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    I definitely think the smart money sold the hell out of this deal today, and the only ones buying were shorts covering their sorry asses, or suckers.
     
    Long SYY
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    Have a good week-end, guys.
     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2007 - 8:56 PM ET #25

    right on ccl - CFC bankruptcy would have been awful and it still may happen. did you know they were still writing subprimes a month ago? assholes...

    i read that people tried to make a run on the bank (Countrywide Bank) very scary shit...like 1929 scary

    in my chats with hedge fund, buy side firms...they are looking for cluster buying by insiders and using large insider purchases to confirm that their idea to buy a company is backed by the insider as well (food for thought)

    regardless - this 50bp discount window cut is like putting a bandaid on a stab wound...there is blood in the water but the sharks havent surfaced yet...if a guarantor were to go under which would scare the piss out of everyone on the credit/debt side
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    right on ccl - CFC bankruptcy would have been awful and it still may happen. did you know they were still writing subprimes a month ago? assholes...

    i read that people tried to make a run on the bank (Countrywide Bank) very scary shit...like 1929 scary

    in my chats with hedge fund, buy side firms...they are looking for cluster buying by insiders and using large insider purchases to confirm that their idea to buy a company is backed by the insider as well (food for thought)

    regardless - this 50bp discount window cut is like putting a bandaid on a stab wound...there is blood in the water but the sharks havent surfaced yet...if a guarantor were to go under which would scare the piss out of everyone on the credit/debt side
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