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    Dow 11K or 13K?

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    depeche2
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2008 - 12:22 PM ET #1

    Now that the Dow is just below 12K, which do you think we see first, 11K or 13K?

    I say 13K in autumn.

    What say you?


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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    Now that the Dow is just below 12K, which do you think we see first, 11K or 13K?

    I say 13K in autumn.

    What say you?


     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2008 - 12:45 PM ET #2

    11k by August
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    11k by August
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2008 - 12:56 PM ET #3

    I like that.  11K or 13K, and the month.

    13K November 2008
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    I like that.  11K or 13K, and the month.

    13K November 2008
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2008 - 1:24 PM ET #4

    no idea.  i'll say 11k by september
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    no idea.  i'll say 11k by september
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2008 - 1:47 PM ET #5

    11 before 13...no idea on a timeframe

    could be monday, could be september

    barring an insane recovery, i find almost no reason to be long equities outside of a few smaller sectors
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    11 before 13...no idea on a timeframe

    could be monday, could be september

    barring an insane recovery, i find almost no reason to be long equities outside of a few smaller sectors
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2008 - 3:14 PM ET #6


     11 K and lower. Time frame? Not sure....Anything at 13 will be the result of manipulation and very short lived.

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     11 K and lower. Time frame? Not sure....Anything at 13 will be the result of manipulation and very short lived.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2008 - 3:17 PM ET #7

    if bsc wasnt rescued we'd be at 8k now

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    if bsc wasnt rescued we'd be at 8k now

     
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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2008 - 2:09 PM ET #8

    What difference does it make?  Buy Gold.Silver, Palladium and get rich the US market and dollar are toast.  I read Friday which estimated  there are over a "Quadrilion in Derivatives" out there.  I don't even know what a Quadrillion is but I know all these greedy banks messed up big time.  If it's true say bye bye to C, LEH, WB, BAC etc..and hello to $2,500 Gold $50 Silver.  For the sake of my fiends, neighbors and country I wish this mess wasn't as big is it is.  I also wish people knew what was going on but things are the worst I've ever seen.  Stage 2 of Monetary Collapse officially started Friday Got Gold, Silver PGM'S?????????
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    What difference does it make?  Buy Gold.Silver, Palladium and get rich the US market and dollar are toast.  I read Friday which estimated  there are over a "Quadrilion in Derivatives" out there.  I don't even know what a Quadrillion is but I know all these greedy banks messed up big time.  If it's true say bye bye to C, LEH, WB, BAC etc..and hello to $2,500 Gold $50 Silver.  For the sake of my fiends, neighbors and country I wish this mess wasn't as big is it is.  I also wish people knew what was going on but things are the worst I've ever seen.  Stage 2 of Monetary Collapse officially started Friday Got Gold, Silver PGM'S?????????
     
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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2008 - 4:35 PM ET #9

    11k has better chance than 13k, but in reality, neither will be hit by EOY.
     
    Range bound trading.  Sell hype and hoopla short, then buy gloom and doom long.  Both are trades, though, only. 
     
    Not to be an icehole, but "WHO IN THE F---" would be buying stocks right now "for the long term" in the most hideous economic environment this country has witnessed since the Great Depression of the early 30s?
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    11k has better chance than 13k, but in reality, neither will be hit by EOY.
     
    Range bound trading.  Sell hype and hoopla short, then buy gloom and doom long.  Both are trades, though, only. 
     
    Not to be an icehole, but "WHO IN THE F---" would be buying stocks right now "for the long term" in the most hideous economic environment this country has witnessed since the Great Depression of the early 30s?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2008 - 5:34 PM ET #10

    I dont agree with buying the actual gold/silver/plat as a way to make big money..you have to speculate and go after the stocks who will benefit, the leverage is better.

    CC, drillers are going to keep making great money with oil going up and if oil goes up then solars go up.

    Even in a brutal market there will be some strong stocks that you can own and retire with. You have to avoid the indices and the main stream stocks in a downturn and go with what is in favor.     
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    I dont agree with buying the actual gold/silver/plat as a way to make big money..you have to speculate and go after the stocks who will benefit, the leverage is better.

    CC, drillers are going to keep making great money with oil going up and if oil goes up then solars go up.

    Even in a brutal market there will be some strong stocks that you can own and retire with. You have to avoid the indices and the main stream stocks in a downturn and go with what is in favor.     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2008 - 6:09 PM ET #11

    WSC-
     
    You still got to be careful with "strong sectors" in a bear market.  The overall market, on a brutally bad down-trend, will take down EVERYTHING............even drillers and solars.
     
    And let's face it, solars and drillers are so technically overbought it is ludicrous.  You got solar companies trading at 1000 times sales........let alone earnings.  How can you let that crap run when sitting in the black?  Right, you can't, cause you know it's just a matter of time before some garbage name like FSLR walks in to a 100 point gap down open.
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    WSC-
     
    You still got to be careful with "strong sectors" in a bear market.  The overall market, on a brutally bad down-trend, will take down EVERYTHING............even drillers and solars.
     
    And let's face it, solars and drillers are so technically overbought it is ludicrous.  You got solar companies trading at 1000 times sales........let alone earnings.  How can you let that crap run when sitting in the black?  Right, you can't, cause you know it's just a matter of time before some garbage name like FSLR walks in to a 100 point gap down open.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2008 - 6:11 PM ET #12

    Imagine buying FSLR right here.  Where is it?  mid 260s?
     
    And then you wake up Wednesday morning to a 160ish open. 
     
    TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN.
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    Imagine buying FSLR right here.  Where is it?  mid 260s?
     
    And then you wake up Wednesday morning to a 160ish open. 
     
    TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2008 - 6:18 PM ET #13

    We are currently in the midst of the most dismal economic future this country has seen since the Great Depression of the early 1930s.
     
    The good news is it's already begun.....so there's no more "uncertainty."
     
    Unfortunately, the bad news is we've only just barely begun the game.  If this economy were a baseball game, I'd say we're in the 2nd inning, and already down like 12 -1.  Even sadder than that is our country is the equivalent of a pee wee league team when you objectively look at the quality of our leadership.
     
    So we're in the second inning of a baseball game, already down 12-1, and being led by the blind.
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    We are currently in the midst of the most dismal economic future this country has seen since the Great Depression of the early 1930s.
     
    The good news is it's already begun.....so there's no more "uncertainty."
     
    Unfortunately, the bad news is we've only just barely begun the game.  If this economy were a baseball game, I'd say we're in the 2nd inning, and already down like 12 -1.  Even sadder than that is our country is the equivalent of a pee wee league team when you objectively look at the quality of our leadership.
     
    So we're in the second inning of a baseball game, already down 12-1, and being led by the blind.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2008 - 9:20 AM ET #14

    The good news is it's already begun.....so there's no more "uncertainty.
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    untrue...every single bank has bad loans on its books. no financial comnpany can currently value themselves right now
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    The good news is it's already begun.....so there's no more "uncertainty.
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    untrue...every single bank has bad loans on its books. no financial comnpany can currently value themselves right now
     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2008 - 6:46 PM ET #15

    No...."uncertainty" means that a HUGE BEAR MARKET has already begun.
     
    Come on, man, you know about what I speak, KOAJ.
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    No...."uncertainty" means that a HUGE BEAR MARKET has already begun.
     
    Come on, man, you know about what I speak, KOAJ.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2008 - 9:30 AM ET #16

    ccl - semantics but i get your point
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    ccl - semantics but i get your point
     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2008 - 9:41 AM ET #17


     Happily, our relief pitcher has a 50 mph fastball and our bench is loaded with no tool players...so we are set for a real comeback....

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     Happily, our relief pitcher has a 50 mph fastball and our bench is loaded with no tool players...so we are set for a real comeback....

     
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    Posted: Jun. 24, 2008 - 10:26 AM ET #18

    Certainly seems to be tipping toward 11K.  Heck, we may get there next week at this rate!
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    Certainly seems to be tipping toward 11K.  Heck, we may get there next week at this rate!
     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 9:26 AM ET #19

    depeche2.....take a look at DOG if you feel the Dow is going to hit 11k

    i am currently in QID/SDS which short the Nas & SP respectively...been in them since mid-may


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    depeche2.....take a look at DOG if you feel the Dow is going to hit 11k

    i am currently in QID/SDS which short the Nas & SP respectively...been in them since mid-may


     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 2:11 PM ET #20

    Wouldn't be surprised if we saw 10k before the election. I do think we'll rebound a bit afterwards, but I think it will be a good while before we see 13k again unless oil starts dropping drastically.
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    Wouldn't be surprised if we saw 10k before the election. I do think we'll rebound a bit afterwards, but I think it will be a good while before we see 13k again unless oil starts dropping drastically.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 2:12 PM ET #21

    "afterwards" meaning after the election
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    "afterwards" meaning after the election
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2008 - 12:36 PM ET #22

    I'd like to max out on 11k please.  This shit is depressing
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    I'd like to max out on 11k please.  This shit is depressing
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2008 - 6:39 PM ET #23

    Do I need to say it again buy Gold and Precious Metals!!!!!!!!!!!! The economic collapse wave 2 has just begun. If you want potential huge gains look at the junior miners WCPCF, MDW, CDE, SIL, SA if you're risk averse buy GLD, SLV, NEM, GG, PAAS, AEM, SLW.  It doesn't matter what you buy they are all going higher and PAL, SWC and the PGM Metals are all going higher too.  My whole screen was green today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Study history during the great depression gold stocks and penny stocks skyrocket, during the last Gas Price surge same thing. 
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    Do I need to say it again buy Gold and Precious Metals!!!!!!!!!!!! The economic collapse wave 2 has just begun. If you want potential huge gains look at the junior miners WCPCF, MDW, CDE, SIL, SA if you're risk averse buy GLD, SLV, NEM, GG, PAAS, AEM, SLW.  It doesn't matter what you buy they are all going higher and PAL, SWC and the PGM Metals are all going higher too.  My whole screen was green today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Study history during the great depression gold stocks and penny stocks skyrocket, during the last Gas Price surge same thing. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2008 - 10:37 PM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by PALLADIUM:

    Do I need to say it again buy Gold and Precious Metals!!!!!!!!!!!! The economic collapse wave 2 has just begun. If you want potential huge gains look at the junior miners WCPCF, MDW, CDE, SIL, SA if you're risk averse buy GLD, SLV, NEM, GG, PAAS, AEM, SLW.  It doesn't matter what you buy they are all going higher and PAL, SWC and the PGM Metals are all going higher too.  My whole screen was green today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Study history during the great depression gold stocks and penny stocks skyrocket, during the last Gas Price surge same thing. 


    problem with precious metals now is that you are buying at their high arc....I'm sure you bought a while ago and are truly profiting but advising people to buy now is a little unwise
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    Quote Originally Posted by PALLADIUM:

    Do I need to say it again buy Gold and Precious Metals!!!!!!!!!!!! The economic collapse wave 2 has just begun. If you want potential huge gains look at the junior miners WCPCF, MDW, CDE, SIL, SA if you're risk averse buy GLD, SLV, NEM, GG, PAAS, AEM, SLW.  It doesn't matter what you buy they are all going higher and PAL, SWC and the PGM Metals are all going higher too.  My whole screen was green today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Study history during the great depression gold stocks and penny stocks skyrocket, during the last Gas Price surge same thing. 


    problem with precious metals now is that you are buying at their high arc....I'm sure you bought a while ago and are truly profiting but advising people to buy now is a little unwise
     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 26, 2008 - 10:37 PM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:

    Certainly seems to be tipping toward 11K.  Heck, we may get there next week at this rate!


    did you pick up a little DOG like I suggested?
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    Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:

    Certainly seems to be tipping toward 11K.  Heck, we may get there next week at this rate!


    did you pick up a little DOG like I suggested?
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