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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 5:16 PM ET #1

    JP buying Bear for 20 per share?

    How could Bear allow this to take place?
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    If so you have to go and get some JP on Monday..
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    JP buying Bear for 20 per share?

    How could Bear allow this to take place?
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    If so you have to go and get some JP on Monday..
     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 5:19 PM ET #2


     From everything I read, they had to sell and sell quick.It is a fire sale at a fire sale price.

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     From everything I read, they had to sell and sell quick.It is a fire sale at a fire sale price.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 5:24 PM ET #3

    Here is another one-

    LINK

    BK or a firesale take over?

    Wow...if JPM gets Bear for 15 to 20, I have to get some JPM.

    This kind of deal sounds like the sweet bargains that Birkshire gets.

    Another interesting comment..if Bear doesnt get bought out and they declare BK, the market will get MAN HANDLED in the morning..might be 500 down, financials will get killed.
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    Here is another one-

    LINK

    BK or a firesale take over?

    Wow...if JPM gets Bear for 15 to 20, I have to get some JPM.

    This kind of deal sounds like the sweet bargains that Birkshire gets.

    Another interesting comment..if Bear doesnt get bought out and they declare BK, the market will get MAN HANDLED in the morning..might be 500 down, financials will get killed.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 5:37 PM ET #4


      From every analysis I read, JP would buy them out, thus preventing the scenario you describe.They were going to be able to pick and choose their real assets anyway in the deal they had, going over their books and seeing what is what.

     This way, the Fed gets to avoid Bear's collapse, and prevents what would be a Black Monday indeed.

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      From every analysis I read, JP would buy them out, thus preventing the scenario you describe.They were going to be able to pick and choose their real assets anyway in the deal they had, going over their books and seeing what is what.

     This way, the Fed gets to avoid Bear's collapse, and prevents what would be a Black Monday indeed.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 5:54 PM ET #5


     Joe Lewis must be gagging on this, down around 3/4 billion if it goes off at this price but that must beat getting a goose egg...ouch!!!!

    Joe Lewis, the privacy-loving billionaire who, along with Daniel Levy, controls Tottenham Hotspur football club, has just taken one of his biggest gambles.

    He has invested $860m for a 7 per cent stake in Bear Stearns, the investment bank that has been the worst casualty of this summer's credit market crisis, it was revealed yesterday.

    Even for a fabled currency speculator who won hundreds of millions of pounds on sterling's ignominious exit from the Exchange Rate Mechanism in 1992, this is a ballsy bet. But Mr Lewis has made money from so many industries -- from restaurants, from property, from foreign exchange and from sport -- who is to say he won't extend his magic touch to investment banking?

    The 70-year-old Briton has been secretly building his stake in Bear Stearns over the past month, using a string of holding companies registered in the Bahamas, where he has been a tax exile since 1979. From nowhere, he is now the bank's largest shareholder, controlling a bigger stake than the company's beleaguered chief executive, Jimmy Cayne, who has been feeling the heat since June, when two Bear Stearns hedge funds collapsed and triggered a financial panic.

    According to Forbes magazine, which is the recognised arbiter of these things, Mr Lewis is the world's 369th richest person, with a fortune weighing in at $2.5bn. As a chunk of his net worth, the bet on Bear Stearns is huge -- but no more so than the awe-inspiring $1bn-plus positions he has taken on currencies such as the British pound in 1992 and the Mexican peso three years later. He netted hundreds of millions of dollars in profits when the peso collapsed and the Mexican economy had to be bailed out with loans from the US government.

    Alongside George Soros, he is one of the most successful currency speculators of his generation, known to many in the foreign exchange world as the Boxer, in reflection of his heavyweight status and after his namesake, the US champion Joe Louis.



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     Joe Lewis must be gagging on this, down around 3/4 billion if it goes off at this price but that must beat getting a goose egg...ouch!!!!

    Joe Lewis, the privacy-loving billionaire who, along with Daniel Levy, controls Tottenham Hotspur football club, has just taken one of his biggest gambles.

    He has invested $860m for a 7 per cent stake in Bear Stearns, the investment bank that has been the worst casualty of this summer's credit market crisis, it was revealed yesterday.

    Even for a fabled currency speculator who won hundreds of millions of pounds on sterling's ignominious exit from the Exchange Rate Mechanism in 1992, this is a ballsy bet. But Mr Lewis has made money from so many industries -- from restaurants, from property, from foreign exchange and from sport -- who is to say he won't extend his magic touch to investment banking?

    The 70-year-old Briton has been secretly building his stake in Bear Stearns over the past month, using a string of holding companies registered in the Bahamas, where he has been a tax exile since 1979. From nowhere, he is now the bank's largest shareholder, controlling a bigger stake than the company's beleaguered chief executive, Jimmy Cayne, who has been feeling the heat since June, when two Bear Stearns hedge funds collapsed and triggered a financial panic.

    According to Forbes magazine, which is the recognised arbiter of these things, Mr Lewis is the world's 369th richest person, with a fortune weighing in at $2.5bn. As a chunk of his net worth, the bet on Bear Stearns is huge -- but no more so than the awe-inspiring $1bn-plus positions he has taken on currencies such as the British pound in 1992 and the Mexican peso three years later. He netted hundreds of millions of dollars in profits when the peso collapsed and the Mexican economy had to be bailed out with loans from the US government.

    Alongside George Soros, he is one of the most successful currency speculators of his generation, known to many in the foreign exchange world as the Boxer, in reflection of his heavyweight status and after his namesake, the US champion Joe Louis.



     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 5:57 PM ET #6


     By the way, that excerpt was from an article published on....September 11 ...
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     By the way, that excerpt was from an article published on....September 11 ...
     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 6:34 PM ET #7

    Wow..

    No kidding about the guy taking a bath..he has a large percentage ownership, I wonder if this kind of deal would be approved anyway?
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    Wow..

    No kidding about the guy taking a bath..he has a large percentage ownership, I wonder if this kind of deal would be approved anyway?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 7:09 PM ET #8

    This has to be a typo-

    2 BUCKS PER SHARE??????????

    No way..

    No matter what, if this deal is in stock then JPM should come down and you buy it.
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    This has to be a typo-

    2 BUCKS PER SHARE??????????

    No way..

    No matter what, if this deal is in stock then JPM should come down and you buy it.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 7:20 PM ET #9

    Let me say this is absolutely brutal for the markets.

    To value Bear at 2 bucks a share means it was teetering and financials will get crushed tomorrow.

    I will be watching the futures tonite but how could you not kick the markets with this disaster?
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    Let me say this is absolutely brutal for the markets.

    To value Bear at 2 bucks a share means it was teetering and financials will get crushed tomorrow.

    I will be watching the futures tonite but how could you not kick the markets with this disaster?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 7:23 PM ET #10


    This is staggering if not a typo.Truly staggering.Can't believe it.Any idea if this is really the final price????

     My God, what an amazing valuation.That tells you how tuly awful these assets and those like them are...SKF is going to skyrocket if this turns out to be true.

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    This is staggering if not a typo.Truly staggering.Can't believe it.Any idea if this is really the final price????

     My God, what an amazing valuation.That tells you how tuly awful these assets and those like them are...SKF is going to skyrocket if this turns out to be true.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 7:31 PM ET #11

    I read they are having a CC in a few hours, need to see what they say.

    I see futures are up..also the FED cut rates tonite.
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    I read they are having a CC in a few hours, need to see what they say.

    I see futures are up..also the FED cut rates tonite.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 8:35 PM ET #12


     As Wilbur Ross commented, interest rates are cheap, but if you get turned down for a loan what difference does it make whether it was for 5 % or 6% ?? There is money available, people do not want to loan it.

      We are watching a series of desperate moves play out here.I would sell into any rally here.



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     As Wilbur Ross commented, interest rates are cheap, but if you get turned down for a loan what difference does it make whether it was for 5 % or 6% ?? There is money available, people do not want to loan it.

      We are watching a series of desperate moves play out here.I would sell into any rally here.



     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 8:43 PM ET #13

    I'll set the o/u at 7.5 for the number of window jumpers we have on Wall Street Monday.
     
     
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    I'll set the o/u at 7.5 for the number of window jumpers we have on Wall Street Monday.
     
     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 8:49 PM ET #14

    i just saw this

    holy shit!!!!!!!!!!!!

    $2 a share
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    i just saw this

    holy shit!!!!!!!!!!!!

    $2 a share
     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 8:58 PM ET #15

    funny thing...i told my wife friday around 3pm from work that JPM would buy bear over the weekend and i should have picked up some shares

    my investment ideas

    regardless this is a very good thing for the mkts. JPM is guaranteeing bear's relationships and trading effective immediately
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    funny thing...i told my wife friday around 3pm from work that JPM would buy bear over the weekend and i should have picked up some shares

    my investment ideas

    regardless this is a very good thing for the mkts. JPM is guaranteeing bear's relationships and trading effective immediately
     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 9:10 PM ET #16

    looks like asian equities are higher.
    hopefully investors focus on the removal of BSC c/p risk
    rather then fear that other banks could face same funding issues...
     
    WSC - you think we hold this strength tomorrow?
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    looks like asian equities are higher.
    hopefully investors focus on the removal of BSC c/p risk
    rather then fear that other banks could face same funding issues...
     
    WSC - you think we hold this strength tomorrow?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 9:11 PM ET #17


     I am glad I have bought gold in increasing amounts since November.

    I am sure they will also try to prop up the dollar with some obvious moves. It can'tbe allowed to sink any lower, but I thought this a while ago and was wrong.

     On a lighter note, from a newsletter:

    Now, we turn our attention to another subject: Eliot Spitzer.

    We never liked the guy, frankly. He is a sanctimonious, vulgar, opportunistic bully, in our opinion.

    Still, his latest travails make us feel a little sorry for him. What a pitiful fellow. Using his wife as a prop, he appeared before the cameras and apologized. Why couldn't he have a little class?

    It reminded us of the story attributed to Huey Long; it is the story of a southern politician who appears on the capital steps, holding up a copy of the local newspaper.

    "Look at this," he says, wearing a white suit and pointing to the headline. "It says here that I was seen coming out of the Bide-Away Motel at 5AM after sleeping with a known prostitute.

    "Well, I'm here to tell you this morning that every word of this allegation is false…

    "First, it wasn't the Bide-Away Motel; it was the Lincoln Hotel in the middle of town. And she wasn't a 'known prostitute.' I never met her before in my life.

    "And it wasn't 6AM…I never get up that early. It was 7AM."

    Then, with a sly grin…

    "And we didn't sleep a wink…"



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     I am glad I have bought gold in increasing amounts since November.

    I am sure they will also try to prop up the dollar with some obvious moves. It can'tbe allowed to sink any lower, but I thought this a while ago and was wrong.

     On a lighter note, from a newsletter:

    Now, we turn our attention to another subject: Eliot Spitzer.

    We never liked the guy, frankly. He is a sanctimonious, vulgar, opportunistic bully, in our opinion.

    Still, his latest travails make us feel a little sorry for him. What a pitiful fellow. Using his wife as a prop, he appeared before the cameras and apologized. Why couldn't he have a little class?

    It reminded us of the story attributed to Huey Long; it is the story of a southern politician who appears on the capital steps, holding up a copy of the local newspaper.

    "Look at this," he says, wearing a white suit and pointing to the headline. "It says here that I was seen coming out of the Bide-Away Motel at 5AM after sleeping with a known prostitute.

    "Well, I'm here to tell you this morning that every word of this allegation is false…

    "First, it wasn't the Bide-Away Motel; it was the Lincoln Hotel in the middle of town. And she wasn't a 'known prostitute.' I never met her before in my life.

    "And it wasn't 6AM…I never get up that early. It was 7AM."

    Then, with a sly grin…

    "And we didn't sleep a wink…"



     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 9:13 PM ET #18

    looks like i spoke to soon...equities futures tanking, treasuries higher and asian markets turning south
     
    and US$ sinking vs. EU$ and Yen
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    looks like i spoke to soon...equities futures tanking, treasuries higher and asian markets turning south
     
    and US$ sinking vs. EU$ and Yen
     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 9:13 PM ET #19


     I am wondering why anyone would buy into this market for any reason. Not in this country at least. Who is going on a hiring spree, aside from bankruptcy firms?



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     I am wondering why anyone would buy into this market for any reason. Not in this country at least. Who is going on a hiring spree, aside from bankruptcy firms?



     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 9:18 PM ET #20

    WHAT are the consequences of a world in which regulators rescue even the financial institutions whose recklessness and greed helped create the titanic credit mess we are in? Will the consequences be an even weaker currency, rampant inflation, a continuation of the slow bleed that we have witnessed at banks and brokerage firms for the past year?

     Indeed...
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    WHAT are the consequences of a world in which regulators rescue even the financial institutions whose recklessness and greed helped create the titanic credit mess we are in? Will the consequences be an even weaker currency, rampant inflation, a continuation of the slow bleed that we have witnessed at banks and brokerage firms for the past year?

     Indeed...
     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 9:21 PM ET #21

    Investors said the acquisition of Bear Stearns only highlighted the depths of the problems plaguing U.S. financial markets. The fall of one of the largest investment banks added to concern credit market turmoil was yet to run its full course and ongoing turbulence could drag the U.S. economy into a recession.

    "The credit crunch has still some way to go and I think there will be a few more months of strife ahead," said Stephen Roberts, Chief Economist at Lehman Brothers in Sydney.

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    Investors said the acquisition of Bear Stearns only highlighted the depths of the problems plaguing U.S. financial markets. The fall of one of the largest investment banks added to concern credit market turmoil was yet to run its full course and ongoing turbulence could drag the U.S. economy into a recession.

    "The credit crunch has still some way to go and I think there will be a few more months of strife ahead," said Stephen Roberts, Chief Economist at Lehman Brothers in Sydney.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 9:22 PM ET #22


     Oops..well...I think "months" is optimistic.Try years.

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     Oops..well...I think "months" is optimistic.Try years.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 9:28 PM ET #23

    If we are seeing down 200 this early, it could be 500 tomorrow.

    If we open down like that i am going to race and deposit and buy the names which are down for the wrong reasons.
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    If we are seeing down 200 this early, it could be 500 tomorrow.

    If we open down like that i am going to race and deposit and buy the names which are down for the wrong reasons.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 9:35 PM ET #24


      I am going to add only very little to very select issues, and make certain all monies are in insured accounts.

      Then I am going to go back over the bullion coins, and maybe start thinking about how to remove every catalytic converter in my neighborhood from their proper owners!!

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      I am going to add only very little to very select issues, and make certain all monies are in insured accounts.

      Then I am going to go back over the bullion coins, and maybe start thinking about how to remove every catalytic converter in my neighborhood from their proper owners!!

     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 16, 2008 - 10:46 PM ET #25

    You gotta love Cramerica, this shows he has no inside info anymore.

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    How that spammer is still allowed on the air is beyond me.
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    You gotta love Cramerica, this shows he has no inside info anymore.

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    How that spammer is still allowed on the air is beyond me.
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