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    Posted: Aug. 6, 2007 - 2:20 PM ET #76

    What happened to everyones favorite OTCBB stock

    CHNG


    Did a really nasty private placement for 3.26 per share AND free warrants to boot..


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    What happened to everyones favorite OTCBB stock

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    Did a really nasty private placement for 3.26 per share AND free warrants to boot..


     
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    Posted: Aug. 6, 2007 - 2:23 PM ET #77

    the BZH home + mortgage deal is real creepy and reeks of impropriety

    remember about 10 years ago Lucent CEO was loaning lucent cash out to companies to buy LU product? Rich McGinn (in NJ, Lucent, bell labs, T and all the pharms are big news)

    same shit...
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    the BZH home + mortgage deal is real creepy and reeks of impropriety

    remember about 10 years ago Lucent CEO was loaning lucent cash out to companies to buy LU product? Rich McGinn (in NJ, Lucent, bell labs, T and all the pharms are big news)

    same shit...
     
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    Posted: Aug. 6, 2007 - 2:27 PM ET #78

    Man I have to comment about some of these stocks.

    I did some straddles on stocks like AAPL and FFIV and AMZN etc and I was SHOCKED at how the puts have turned since I sold them for a pittance.

    I sold August 85 puts on FFIV at 2.20, today those options are going for 11.80 a contract!!

    I sold some AAPL 135 puts at 1.85, today they traded at over 8 a contract. Lower now, but when AAPL got wacked today they were going over 8 a contract.

    But on the other side of the coin I sold many calls on both stocks for MUCH higher than current price.

    Somtimes I forget how good puts can be, I tend to have a bias towards long calls similar to how bettors go with the favorites in sports betting.

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    Man I have to comment about some of these stocks.

    I did some straddles on stocks like AAPL and FFIV and AMZN etc and I was SHOCKED at how the puts have turned since I sold them for a pittance.

    I sold August 85 puts on FFIV at 2.20, today those options are going for 11.80 a contract!!

    I sold some AAPL 135 puts at 1.85, today they traded at over 8 a contract. Lower now, but when AAPL got wacked today they were going over 8 a contract.

    But on the other side of the coin I sold many calls on both stocks for MUCH higher than current price.

    Somtimes I forget how good puts can be, I tend to have a bias towards long calls similar to how bettors go with the favorites in sports betting.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 6, 2007 - 2:31 PM ET #79

    Koaj,

    Yeah and LU got gobbled up for pennies on the dollar compared to their prices in the late 90s.

    I bet many builders had their hands in the cookie jar in regards to arranging financing.

    I have a friend in town who works for a large builder who is a subsidiary of a very large public company and he said the levels of greed and advantageous activity by builders 3-5 yrs ago was astounding. Many builders stopped selling units, built spec homes and kept raising prices to gouge the home buyer in hot pockets in the valley here.

    I remember looking at a subdivision for Toll Brothers and we just about bought when the market was still hot. The house in question was being sold for 675k or so, when just a year before it was being sold for 425k or so..same house. Builders should be investigated for taking advantage of supply and demand and creating this disaster which will take a decade to get out from under.
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    Koaj,

    Yeah and LU got gobbled up for pennies on the dollar compared to their prices in the late 90s.

    I bet many builders had their hands in the cookie jar in regards to arranging financing.

    I have a friend in town who works for a large builder who is a subsidiary of a very large public company and he said the levels of greed and advantageous activity by builders 3-5 yrs ago was astounding. Many builders stopped selling units, built spec homes and kept raising prices to gouge the home buyer in hot pockets in the valley here.

    I remember looking at a subdivision for Toll Brothers and we just about bought when the market was still hot. The house in question was being sold for 675k or so, when just a year before it was being sold for 425k or so..same house. Builders should be investigated for taking advantage of supply and demand and creating this disaster which will take a decade to get out from under.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 6, 2007 - 2:45 PM ET #80

    Very tempted to buy some Aug 70 calls on FFIV here for 5 bucks a contract.

    This monster drop is because they acquired some company for 200M today..I dont get it, but the selling is strong.

    The Aug 75 puts are a 15 bagger today alone..


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    Very tempted to buy some Aug 70 calls on FFIV here for 5 bucks a contract.

    This monster drop is because they acquired some company for 200M today..I dont get it, but the selling is strong.

    The Aug 75 puts are a 15 bagger today alone..


     
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    Posted: Aug. 6, 2007 - 2:56 PM ET #81

    Bot 15 contracts of the 70 call on FFIV, average price 4.30 or so..

    Damn they are killing the stock..

    wow
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    Bot 15 contracts of the 70 call on FFIV, average price 4.30 or so..

    Damn they are killing the stock..

    wow
     
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    Posted: Aug. 6, 2007 - 3:01 PM ET #82

    omg gambling is so much easier than the market right now i feel physically sick .
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    omg gambling is so much easier than the market right now i feel physically sick .
     
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    Posted: Aug. 6, 2007 - 3:04 PM ET #83

    TIIMmmmmmbbberrrrrrrr


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    TIIMmmmmmbbberrrrrrrr


     
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    Posted: Aug. 6, 2007 - 3:20 PM ET #84

    gambling on a baseball game is much easier than this shit

    in what universe should bond guarantors be trading like dotcoms?

    check intra days of ABK, SCA, MBI...these 3 have nothing to do with cdo's
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    gambling on a baseball game is much easier than this shit

    in what universe should bond guarantors be trading like dotcoms?

    check intra days of ABK, SCA, MBI...these 3 have nothing to do with cdo's
     
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    Posted: Aug. 6, 2007 - 3:33 PM ET #85

    Wow, big bounce in MA, 14 pt turn from the lows.

    I think speculators love to find other companies who are in the larger circle in regards to similarities and go after them thinking the ripple effect would expand.

    MBI is very interesting..not my kind of investment but at this price it seems very attractive.
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    Wow, big bounce in MA, 14 pt turn from the lows.

    I think speculators love to find other companies who are in the larger circle in regards to similarities and go after them thinking the ripple effect would expand.

    MBI is very interesting..not my kind of investment but at this price it seems very attractive.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 6, 2007 - 7:44 PM ET #86

    SO was today just short covering?  I still think this market falls more
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    SO was today just short covering?  I still think this market falls more
     
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    Posted: Aug. 6, 2007 - 7:59 PM ET #87

    Jeff,

    Best scenario for a fall is if the Fed doesnt cut rates this week and/or doesnt say things the market wants to hear.

    Even if they do cut it could be negative. If they cut by 50 basis points it could kill the market as they think the Fed is more concerned than they are pricing.

    So odds are stacked to falling no matter what..BUT...if the Fed goes 25 basis and says they are watching and will react as conditions dictate, the market LOVES that kind of verbage and she goes higher.

    I agree with what others have said..come Sept there will be plenty of resets in mortgages..so let these stocks creap back up, when resistance comes you go against them. These problems arent going away any time soon since supply is swamping demand in most markets..
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    Jeff,

    Best scenario for a fall is if the Fed doesnt cut rates this week and/or doesnt say things the market wants to hear.

    Even if they do cut it could be negative. If they cut by 50 basis points it could kill the market as they think the Fed is more concerned than they are pricing.

    So odds are stacked to falling no matter what..BUT...if the Fed goes 25 basis and says they are watching and will react as conditions dictate, the market LOVES that kind of verbage and she goes higher.

    I agree with what others have said..come Sept there will be plenty of resets in mortgages..so let these stocks creap back up, when resistance comes you go against them. These problems arent going away any time soon since supply is swamping demand in most markets..
     
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    Posted: Aug. 6, 2007 - 8:49 PM ET #88

    The whole "subprime mess" thing is overrated IMO.  They called it subprime for a reason.  
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    The whole "subprime mess" thing is overrated IMO.  They called it subprime for a reason.  
     
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    Posted: Aug. 6, 2007 - 9:22 PM ET #89

    D2,

    Problem is that even good loans are going to be in trouble if they are high LTV and the market keeps in the dumps.

    We will need to see how the future numbers are in regards to foreclosures and late pays in the next few months.

    I think it is more widespread than we think so far..
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    D2,

    Problem is that even good loans are going to be in trouble if they are high LTV and the market keeps in the dumps.

    We will need to see how the future numbers are in regards to foreclosures and late pays in the next few months.

    I think it is more widespread than we think so far..
     
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    Posted: Aug. 6, 2007 - 11:37 PM ET #90

    Absolutely today was nothing but a short-covering rally.  All it does is set up for a big fall later this week.
     
    Some big funds are shitting eggrolls right now and will use every single short-covering rally to raise cash the following day.
     
    I would not buy into any of it.
     
    What you want to buy into is a HUGE, PANIC, FEAR-BASED sell-off pre-market and then for the first hour or so, and when you get reports that people are jumping out of windows, then you want to buy, buy, buy.
     
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    Absolutely today was nothing but a short-covering rally.  All it does is set up for a big fall later this week.
     
    Some big funds are shitting eggrolls right now and will use every single short-covering rally to raise cash the following day.
     
    I would not buy into any of it.
     
    What you want to buy into is a HUGE, PANIC, FEAR-BASED sell-off pre-market and then for the first hour or so, and when you get reports that people are jumping out of windows, then you want to buy, buy, buy.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 6, 2007 - 11:38 PM ET #91

    And oh yeah, by the way, the FED ain't cutting at their next meeting.
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    And oh yeah, by the way, the FED ain't cutting at their next meeting.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 6, 2007 - 11:49 PM ET #92

    Quote Originally Posted by claycourtlesson:

    And oh yeah, by the way, the FED ain't cutting at their next meeting.


    Depending on the verbage, those are words for...

    TIMMMMBERRRRRRR

    Even the media is hyping up this Fed meeting..dont be shocked if they cut......
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    Quote Originally Posted by claycourtlesson:

    And oh yeah, by the way, the FED ain't cutting at their next meeting.


    Depending on the verbage, those are words for...

    TIMMMMBERRRRRRR

    Even the media is hyping up this Fed meeting..dont be shocked if they cut......
     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2007 - 9:23 AM ET #93

    I will be surprised if they do, but I have been surprised before and will be later. I think they stand pat after issuing a statement that they are actually very aware of the credit "re-pricing" but are only going to monitor it "vigorously" or some such crap.

    GL
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    I will be surprised if they do, but I have been surprised before and will be later. I think they stand pat after issuing a statement that they are actually very aware of the credit "re-pricing" but are only going to monitor it "vigorously" or some such crap.

    GL
     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2007 - 2:18 PM ET #94

    Rates unchanged..

    Interesting...

    Market dropping some, but it is still early.
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    Rates unchanged..

    Interesting...

    Market dropping some, but it is still early.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2007 - 2:24 PM ET #95

    So what did the oh holy one Bernanke say anyway.

    Is there anyone in the world whose words are more parsed than the Fed Chairman?
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    So what did the oh holy one Bernanke say anyway.

    Is there anyone in the world whose words are more parsed than the Fed Chairman?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2007 - 2:26 PM ET #96

    I dont listen to CNBC but I am sure someone here does and can tell us..


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    I dont listen to CNBC but I am sure someone here does and can tell us..


     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2007 - 2:32 PM ET #97

    I guess whatever he said was unsettling.
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    I guess whatever he said was unsettling.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2007 - 2:32 PM ET #98

    Watch the Dow fall back 250 today now.
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    Watch the Dow fall back 250 today now.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 7, 2007 - 2:34 PM ET #99

    Here is my take..

    Bernanski isnt as suave and clued in to the markets that Greenspan was, so his comments and actions are based on more conservative economic thinking versus Greenie who tried to manipulate the market and it seemed it was his mission (Greenie) to make the market do what he wanted and he had no qualms about trying to spook or boost the market when he wanted.


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    Here is my take..

    Bernanski isnt as suave and clued in to the markets that Greenspan was, so his comments and actions are based on more conservative economic thinking versus Greenie who tried to manipulate the market and it seemed it was his mission (Greenie) to make the market do what he wanted and he had no qualms about trying to spook or boost the market when he wanted.


     
     
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    The Fed stood pat on short-term interest rates Tuesday but warned that inflation remains its chief concern in assessing the U.S. economic picture.

    Stocks, which were up modestly at midafternoon heading into the 2:15 p.m. EDT release of the Fed decision, sold off as investors read the inflation comments as saying the Fed won't bail out hard-hit investors in the bond market. After being up about 40 points before the decision, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was off 51 points at 2:23 p.m.

    "Economic growth was moderate during the first half of the year," the FOMC wrote. "Financial markets have been volatile in recent weeks, credit conditions have become tighter for some households and businesses, and the housing correction is ongoing.

    "Nevertheless, the economy seems likely to continue to expand at a moderate pace over coming quarters, supported by solid growth in employment and incomes and a robust global economy.

    "Readings on core inflation have improved modestly in recent months. However, a sustained moderation in inflation pressures has yet to be convincingly demonstrated. Moreover, the high level of resource utilization has the potential to sustain those pressures.

    "Although the downside risks to growth have increased somewhat," the statement continued, "the Committee's predominant policy concern remains the risk that inflation will fail to moderate as expected."

    The Federal Open Market Committee's rate decision was widely expected on Wall Street. The move keeps the widely watched federal funds target rate at 5.25%. The accompanying policy statement indicates the Fed continues to view inflation as the greatest threat to the economy.

    Action on Wall Street in the past week has focused in large measure on whether the Fed's statement would make a nod to the carnage in the housing and mortgage markets. Some investors believe the Fed could bolster investor confidence in the bond markets by indicating a readiness to intervene should a credit crunch threaten the broader economy. Others believe that the Fed is unlikely to do so because to reduce rates now risks bailing out speculators.

    For that reason, investors have been keenly focused on the Fed's policy statement, which lays out the central bank's views on the greatest threat to the nation's economic health. At the Fed's meeting back on June 28, members of the FOMC said their "predominant policy concern remains the risk that inflation will fail to moderate as expected."

    The news comes amid rising concern over the health of the U.S. debt markets. Investors over the last month have fled junk-rated debt of all stripes, widening the spreads between risk-free Treasury bonds and riskier paper. The widening spreads have caused the once-hot leveraged buyout pipeline to freeze, leaving big U.S. banks and brokerages facing the possibility of significant losses on their balance sheets.

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    The Fed stood pat on short-term interest rates Tuesday but warned that inflation remains its chief concern in assessing the U.S. economic picture.

    Stocks, which were up modestly at midafternoon heading into the 2:15 p.m. EDT release of the Fed decision, sold off as investors read the inflation comments as saying the Fed won't bail out hard-hit investors in the bond market. After being up about 40 points before the decision, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was off 51 points at 2:23 p.m.

    "Economic growth was moderate during the first half of the year," the FOMC wrote. "Financial markets have been volatile in recent weeks, credit conditions have become tighter for some households and businesses, and the housing correction is ongoing.

    "Nevertheless, the economy seems likely to continue to expand at a moderate pace over coming quarters, supported by solid growth in employment and incomes and a robust global economy.

    "Readings on core inflation have improved modestly in recent months. However, a sustained moderation in inflation pressures has yet to be convincingly demonstrated. Moreover, the high level of resource utilization has the potential to sustain those pressures.

    "Although the downside risks to growth have increased somewhat," the statement continued, "the Committee's predominant policy concern remains the risk that inflation will fail to moderate as expected."

    The Federal Open Market Committee's rate decision was widely expected on Wall Street. The move keeps the widely watched federal funds target rate at 5.25%. The accompanying policy statement indicates the Fed continues to view inflation as the greatest threat to the economy.

    Action on Wall Street in the past week has focused in large measure on whether the Fed's statement would make a nod to the carnage in the housing and mortgage markets. Some investors believe the Fed could bolster investor confidence in the bond markets by indicating a readiness to intervene should a credit crunch threaten the broader economy. Others believe that the Fed is unlikely to do so because to reduce rates now risks bailing out speculators.

    For that reason, investors have been keenly focused on the Fed's policy statement, which lays out the central bank's views on the greatest threat to the nation's economic health. At the Fed's meeting back on June 28, members of the FOMC said their "predominant policy concern remains the risk that inflation will fail to moderate as expected."

    The news comes amid rising concern over the health of the U.S. debt markets. Investors over the last month have fled junk-rated debt of all stripes, widening the spreads between risk-free Treasury bonds and riskier paper. The widening spreads have caused the once-hot leveraged buyout pipeline to freeze, leaving big U.S. banks and brokerages facing the possibility of significant losses on their balance sheets.

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