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    lemonsky
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2008 - 12:06 PM ET #1

    I am right, Vanzack, you do this for a living?

    I'm just curious, and I'm not mulling on a life as a pro gambler because I don't have the intestinal fortitude for it, when did you come as to a realization that you could do this for a living?

    And does it wear you out mentally? What do you do in case you go on a bad streak? Do you have a significant amount of money in other places (like investments) to protect yourself?

    Inquiring minds want to know.
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    I am right, Vanzack, you do this for a living?

    I'm just curious, and I'm not mulling on a life as a pro gambler because I don't have the intestinal fortitude for it, when did you come as to a realization that you could do this for a living?

    And does it wear you out mentally? What do you do in case you go on a bad streak? Do you have a significant amount of money in other places (like investments) to protect yourself?

    Inquiring minds want to know.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2008 - 12:32 PM ET #2

    highly unlikely Vanzack is a professional. I have seen him mostly losing. If you follow him you are broke
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    highly unlikely Vanzack is a professional. I have seen him mostly losing. If you follow him you are broke
     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2008 - 12:55 PM ET #3

      not sure he does this for a living man.....
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      not sure he does this for a living man.....
     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2008 - 1:13 PM ET #4

    I just think he bangs Supermodels for a living...the gambling gig is a hobby
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    I just think he bangs Supermodels for a living...the gambling gig is a hobby
     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2008 - 2:14 PM ET #5

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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2008 - 3:42 PM ET #7

    People that make a living gambling don't hang out at Covers.
     
    Well, unless they are paid to do it.
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    People that make a living gambling don't hang out at Covers.
     
    Well, unless they are paid to do it.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2008 - 3:46 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by Football_Expert:

    People that make a living gambling don't hang out at Covers.
     
    Well, unless they are paid to do it.

    Great point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Football_Expert:

    People that make a living gambling don't hang out at Covers.
     
    Well, unless they are paid to do it.

    Great point!

     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2008 - 4:57 PM ET #9

     If someone on COVERS is a sports investor,I would guess that it would be MrBator.   
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     If someone on COVERS is a sports investor,I would guess that it would be MrBator.   
     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2008 - 6:59 PM ET #10

    You might be surprised who is lurking behind some of these user names. 


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    You might be surprised who is lurking behind some of these user names. 


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountNo_Account:

    You might be surprised who is lurking behind some of these user names. 





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    You might be surprised who is lurking behind some of these user names. 





     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2008 - 7:37 PM ET #12

    I wouldn't be surprised.
     
    I'm sure it would be just as I guess it is.
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    I wouldn't be surprised.
     
    I'm sure it would be just as I guess it is.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2008 - 10:04 PM ET #13

    Do tell?  inquiring minds, want to know!
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    Do tell?  inquiring minds, want to know!
     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2008 - 10:48 PM ET #14

    If you are around long enough, you can tell who is most likely telling the truth about their gambling 'acumen'..
     
     
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    If you are around long enough, you can tell who is most likely telling the truth about their gambling 'acumen'..
     
     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2008 - 12:55 AM ET #15

    well if there are pros here they are for sure getting the lowest juice
    and best numbers available .
     
    maybe they even buy a favorite at -115 , watch the line climb then buy the dog at + 125 securing profit whenever possible .
     
    i also imagine they stay away from parlays/teasers for the most part .
     
    they probably predominantly play underdogs and unders for the most part as the value is there to be taken .
     
    check out vanzack's manifesto in systems and strategies .
    interesting stuff . states something about 95% of people
    really dont want to win and blow their bankroll due to chasing
    and poor money management . 5% understand the moneymaking
    " theme " of gambling and have the discipline and strength to
    follow set rigid guidelines giving them the best chances to make a profit over time .
     
     
    good luck and continued success .
     
     
     
    wallstreetcappers craps in his draws and pees fuckin backwards from his vaj with a squirt.
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    well if there are pros here they are for sure getting the lowest juice
    and best numbers available .
     
    maybe they even buy a favorite at -115 , watch the line climb then buy the dog at + 125 securing profit whenever possible .
     
    i also imagine they stay away from parlays/teasers for the most part .
     
    they probably predominantly play underdogs and unders for the most part as the value is there to be taken .
     
    check out vanzack's manifesto in systems and strategies .
    interesting stuff . states something about 95% of people
    really dont want to win and blow their bankroll due to chasing
    and poor money management . 5% understand the moneymaking
    " theme " of gambling and have the discipline and strength to
    follow set rigid guidelines giving them the best chances to make a profit over time .
     
     
    good luck and continued success .
     
     
     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2008 - 1:12 AM ET #16

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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2008 - 1:39 AM ET #17

    "posting your picks in this forum to start any given football season, getting crushed, then no longer posting picks for a while..then coming back a month later claiming your hitting 60% when taking into account all your unposted picks over the prior month...."
     
    this has become widely known as "pulling a vanzack" here at covers.
     
    i hope the dudes got some other job
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    "posting your picks in this forum to start any given football season, getting crushed, then no longer posting picks for a while..then coming back a month later claiming your hitting 60% when taking into account all your unposted picks over the prior month...."
     
    this has become widely known as "pulling a vanzack" here at covers.
     
    i hope the dudes got some other job
     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2008 - 1:43 AM ET #18

    now of course he will undoubtedly come on here with his usual tired replies of douchebag this and jerkoff thats and i hit 40% and still make money blah blah blah..LOL its a comical routine
     
    but anyone whose been on the forum and reads the posted picks during football and baseball season over the past 3 or 4 years knows exactly what im talking about.
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    now of course he will undoubtedly come on here with his usual tired replies of douchebag this and jerkoff thats and i hit 40% and still make money blah blah blah..LOL its a comical routine
     
    but anyone whose been on the forum and reads the posted picks during football and baseball season over the past 3 or 4 years knows exactly what im talking about.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2008 - 2:18 AM ET #19

    vanzack sold a lemon tree a vinyl album of john cougar mellencamp then said"  damn i wish i coulda got him with the james brown classic vol .2 too but the guy wouldn't go for it . " sold .
    i'll take vanzack for a million and why does sean connery keeps  staring at me ?
    alex ?
    vanzack is never in jepoardy of losin that flashy image where he bangs supermodel chicks who take rides on his large motorboat .
    you motorboatin son of a bitch .
    and grape apes mama never knew the better .
    good luck and continued success .
    wallstreetcappers craps in his draws and pees fuckin backwards from his vaj with a squirt.
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    vanzack sold a lemon tree a vinyl album of john cougar mellencamp then said"  damn i wish i coulda got him with the james brown classic vol .2 too but the guy wouldn't go for it . " sold .
    i'll take vanzack for a million and why does sean connery keeps  staring at me ?
    alex ?
    vanzack is never in jepoardy of losin that flashy image where he bangs supermodel chicks who take rides on his large motorboat .
    you motorboatin son of a bitch .
    and grape apes mama never knew the better .
    good luck and continued success .
     
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    Sorry, didnt see this thread until this morning.  We were sailing the passage between St Lucia and St Vincent and I always seem to lose the satellite hookup.  My captain told me about this thread this morning, and you can imagine my excitement.  I adore threads devoted to my favorite subject - me.
     
    Over the years with my own experience, I have identified 2 types of gamblers.  Let me describe:
     
    1.  Type A gamblers (95%) - gamble for fun, entertainment, action junkies, chase, bet teasers and negative EV parlays, use CC to fund their accounts, think of gambling money as rent money or spending money, bet haphazardly, dont understand or care to understand theory, never introspect about how to get better, are jealous, dont understand those who win, believe myths about gambling, believe in luck, believe in non correlated trends, dont care to know math or probability, talk about fixes, talk about their own bad luck, criticize anyone who wins, theorize about how people win incorrectly, put emphasis on all the wrong things, spend all their time searching for the winner of the day, are emotional and let their emotions rule them and their decisions, and lose money.  These are the equivalent of cavemen looking up at the stars, hypothesizing about how a world they dont understand works.
     
    2.  Type B gamblers (5%) - Everything is done to make money, treat gambling as a business, understand winners are not the most important thing in making money, use advanced techniques to make the most money, constantly evaluate process rather than handicapping, use methods other than handicapping to make money, dont chase, dont bet for action, pick their spots, are emotionless, are like machines, understand math and probability, and make money.
     
    Now - its no surprise that 95% of the posters in this thread, and 95% of the posters on covers are type A gamblers, and its no surprise either the jealously of me in this thread.  You guys just dont get it, probably never will because you dont have the patience or the fortitude, and you will always be on the sidelines losing money wondering with your buddies (the majority) "how can anyone make money doing this"?
     
    All I can tell you is that I have made money the last 7 years doing this.  I can also tell you that there are plenty of others here who are professionals and make money too - I know this for a fact.  The bottom line is that I can make more money going 53% than you morons can going 60% - you can laugh all you want but it is your own defense system doing the laughing - because you know its true.  I cant post on covers all the times I make money without even making a bet, or how I can make money live betting, or how I sell games off at HT, or all of the other strategies I employ - you guys dont understand all of this - all you understand is the "winner of the day mentality".
     
    Ever wonder why the most popular threads (besides the ones about me) are the ones with the hot handicapper of the day?  Pucku or matrixxx or whatever - ever look in those threads and see who is posting there?  Guys with less than 3 months on covers.... and ever say to yourself "I wonder why that is?"  Why isnt the guys posting in Puckus threads today going to be in the guy who is hot handicappers threads 4 months from now?  Because he is already broke.  Because he has no idea, even with Puckus picks how to make money and he is BROKE.  Dont you morons get this?  Look at the date next to my name.  You think Im losing year after year after year?  You think I post the insight I do, without having some clue as to what Im doing?  You know better.
     
    Now, I will answer questions if you like.  St Vincent is a nice place but the supermodels are getting antsy to head down to Curacao to party with the boys from Pinny, so Im going to set sail this evening, but I will check back to this thread.  I always like helping the boys at covers.  I barely even post in the regular forums anymore because the PBOX Nation are the only ones who can talk about hgih level theory anymore - if you post out in the baseball forum you get drowned off the first page in an hour because of all of your "pick of the day" threads - and all of you idiots keep losing money and dont know why - cavemen looking up at the stars.
     
    And for those who say "nobody who bets XXX would post on covers" or "nobody who does this for a living would post on covers" - let me explain something to you:  Its relatively a boring solitary existence gambling for a living.  You morons have the distraction of going to your mundane 9-5 existence every day which provides the necessary social outlets for you to get through the day.  Why wouldnt a gambler seek out people of like mind to "hang out with" even if it is on a message board?  You guys dont get it, people like me are MORE likely to post here than you idiots who might get the boss mad if he sees you on here.  Cavemen.
     
    If I had a nickel for every time I met a group of guys as dumb as the guys on covers, Id have 5 cents right now.
     
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    Sorry, didnt see this thread until this morning.  We were sailing the passage between St Lucia and St Vincent and I always seem to lose the satellite hookup.  My captain told me about this thread this morning, and you can imagine my excitement.  I adore threads devoted to my favorite subject - me.
     
    Over the years with my own experience, I have identified 2 types of gamblers.  Let me describe:
     
    1.  Type A gamblers (95%) - gamble for fun, entertainment, action junkies, chase, bet teasers and negative EV parlays, use CC to fund their accounts, think of gambling money as rent money or spending money, bet haphazardly, dont understand or care to understand theory, never introspect about how to get better, are jealous, dont understand those who win, believe myths about gambling, believe in luck, believe in non correlated trends, dont care to know math or probability, talk about fixes, talk about their own bad luck, criticize anyone who wins, theorize about how people win incorrectly, put emphasis on all the wrong things, spend all their time searching for the winner of the day, are emotional and let their emotions rule them and their decisions, and lose money.  These are the equivalent of cavemen looking up at the stars, hypothesizing about how a world they dont understand works.
     
    2.  Type B gamblers (5%) - Everything is done to make money, treat gambling as a business, understand winners are not the most important thing in making money, use advanced techniques to make the most money, constantly evaluate process rather than handicapping, use methods other than handicapping to make money, dont chase, dont bet for action, pick their spots, are emotionless, are like machines, understand math and probability, and make money.
     
    Now - its no surprise that 95% of the posters in this thread, and 95% of the posters on covers are type A gamblers, and its no surprise either the jealously of me in this thread.  You guys just dont get it, probably never will because you dont have the patience or the fortitude, and you will always be on the sidelines losing money wondering with your buddies (the majority) "how can anyone make money doing this"?
     
    All I can tell you is that I have made money the last 7 years doing this.  I can also tell you that there are plenty of others here who are professionals and make money too - I know this for a fact.  The bottom line is that I can make more money going 53% than you morons can going 60% - you can laugh all you want but it is your own defense system doing the laughing - because you know its true.  I cant post on covers all the times I make money without even making a bet, or how I can make money live betting, or how I sell games off at HT, or all of the other strategies I employ - you guys dont understand all of this - all you understand is the "winner of the day mentality".
     
    Ever wonder why the most popular threads (besides the ones about me) are the ones with the hot handicapper of the day?  Pucku or matrixxx or whatever - ever look in those threads and see who is posting there?  Guys with less than 3 months on covers.... and ever say to yourself "I wonder why that is?"  Why isnt the guys posting in Puckus threads today going to be in the guy who is hot handicappers threads 4 months from now?  Because he is already broke.  Because he has no idea, even with Puckus picks how to make money and he is BROKE.  Dont you morons get this?  Look at the date next to my name.  You think Im losing year after year after year?  You think I post the insight I do, without having some clue as to what Im doing?  You know better.
     
    Now, I will answer questions if you like.  St Vincent is a nice place but the supermodels are getting antsy to head down to Curacao to party with the boys from Pinny, so Im going to set sail this evening, but I will check back to this thread.  I always like helping the boys at covers.  I barely even post in the regular forums anymore because the PBOX Nation are the only ones who can talk about hgih level theory anymore - if you post out in the baseball forum you get drowned off the first page in an hour because of all of your "pick of the day" threads - and all of you idiots keep losing money and dont know why - cavemen looking up at the stars.
     
    And for those who say "nobody who bets XXX would post on covers" or "nobody who does this for a living would post on covers" - let me explain something to you:  Its relatively a boring solitary existence gambling for a living.  You morons have the distraction of going to your mundane 9-5 existence every day which provides the necessary social outlets for you to get through the day.  Why wouldnt a gambler seek out people of like mind to "hang out with" even if it is on a message board?  You guys dont get it, people like me are MORE likely to post here than you idiots who might get the boss mad if he sees you on here.  Cavemen.
     
    If I had a nickel for every time I met a group of guys as dumb as the guys on covers, Id have 5 cents right now.
     
     
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     vanzack sold a lemon tree and a vinyl album of John Cougar Mellencamp then said,"Damn,I wish I could of got him with the James Brown Classic Vol.2 too but the guy just wouldn't go for it." Sold.

     And Grape Ape's mamma never knew the better.

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     And Grape Ape's mamma never knew the better.

     
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      Sorry spockgato,I didn't notice that you already posted the same thing..  
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Perfect example of what I am talking about.
     
    I did this as a semi-experiment to see the reaction - and I could have predicted it.
     
    A thread in the main baseball forum pointing out an often overlooked error in most peoples flat betting strategy gets angry responses because I dont post a pick.  I am cluttering up the main forums with non pick threads. Also, someone who is not interested in flat betting because he doesnt have a calculator and bets with a local.
     
    Look - there are no problems with being a group A gambler - but dont lie to yourself.  Dont get mad when you lose.  There are plenty of folks who bet for fun, know they will lose, and keep it in control.  The people who get in trouble are the people who fancy themselves a group B gambler, but do everything to be a group A gambler.
     
     
     
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    Perfect example of what I am talking about.
     
    I did this as a semi-experiment to see the reaction - and I could have predicted it.
     
    A thread in the main baseball forum pointing out an often overlooked error in most peoples flat betting strategy gets angry responses because I dont post a pick.  I am cluttering up the main forums with non pick threads. Also, someone who is not interested in flat betting because he doesnt have a calculator and bets with a local.
     
    Look - there are no problems with being a group A gambler - but dont lie to yourself.  Dont get mad when you lose.  There are plenty of folks who bet for fun, know they will lose, and keep it in control.  The people who get in trouble are the people who fancy themselves a group B gambler, but do everything to be a group A gambler.
     
     
     
     
     
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