Only in America can you get paid for raising a bully/thug...

Ktrain - My definition of good character: Don’t dress like a criminal. Don’t act like a criminal. Don’t rob. Don’t steal. Don’t deal drugs. Don’t bully people. Don’t resist arrest. Don’t run from police. Speak English. Don’t have a rap sheet. Don’t illegally carry firearms. Don’t be a member of a gang or criminal organization. Be a person of maturity. Be a person with a good reputation. Be respectful. Be self-disciplined. Be a person that thinks before you act. Be accountable for your words, actions, and attitudes. Be kind. Be compassionate. Have good manners. Possess self-control. Cooperate with and respect authority. Obey laws and rules. That’s all I can think of.

Police commands are like dog commands.

Stay. No. Don’t move. Sit. Roll over. Arms out. Hands up. Hands behind your back. Hands behind your head. Hands where I can see them.  Hands out of your pockets. Drop it. Stop.

The people who get shot are dumber than dogs. If a dog can do it, so can a human being. Follow these simple commands and live. It’s that simple.

That is an awesome video. You have to look at the totality of the circumstances. People were watching them. They are being recorded by a cell phone. They are in what feels like a safe and controlled environment in a fast food restaurant with bright lights.

One of the officers has a ready Taser out. The guy was complying and on his stomach. The officers let their guard down and all hell broke loose. They both sh!t their pants and didn’t know how to respond. People die from punches to the head and face. They could’ve used lethal force.

Stu - There is no police body-cam or dash-cam video of the shooting out yet. So I have to go with what I could find that was written about the incident online.

Here’s the breakdown of the Jordan Edwards shooting:

Dispatch reported drunken teens walking the streets at 11 o clock at night.
Officer Oliver was the second officer to arrive on scene.
Officers went inside the house to investigate the party.
Gunshots rang out.
People ran away like roaches.
Officer Oliver sees a vehicle pulling away.
Officer Oliver screams verbal commands at the vehicle to stop.
The vehicle drives away.
Officer Oliver pulls out his AR-15 rifle from his trunk and blindly fires at the vehicle driving away.
Officer Oliver kills Edwards through the passenger's side window.

How’s this a racially motivated shooting? The officer hears gunshots. He sees a vehicle driving away. He screams at a moving vehicle to stop. The vehicle takes off. The officer blindly shoots at the vehicle at 11 o clock at night. A black passenger happens to be shot. Case closed.

He is an idiot. He broke every rule of the use of force continuum. He knows you can only shoot if you can see the target and see what is behind the target. No way could anyone see anything at that time of night. The shooting was capital murder not a hate crime.

Ktrain - Ok so then why wasn't the guy in the video I posted shot then? What do you think the fundamental difference was in that situation vs someone like Philando Castille?

As I said in my post, I believe the officers in the video sh!t themselves. They are not cloned robots. Not everyone handles situations the same. I believe shock and panic set in and the officers’ minds went blank. That’s why I believe the officers did not fire their firearms.

I don’t know what the call in the video was about? It’s hard to tell you what the officers are thinking when I don’t know why they are making contact in the first place. I know it wasn’t a call about a man armed or brandishing a firearm because if it was the officers would be guns out.

Also cops make contact on the information that dispatch gives them. If dispatch told the officers a misdemeanor was in progress or his background information beforehand and it was clean. The contact is going to not be aggressive. Another thing is I don’t know if the officers have had any previous encounters with him before. That also comes into play in every encounter.

I thought the video was awesome because the guy was tased multiple times and still had the ability to fight. I’m amazed that some people are unfazed by tasers.

Here’s where the bad character points I made play a factor. Philando Castile, likely from looking at his photos, had the appearance of a thug, talked like a thug, dressed like a thug and also had a close resemblance to an armed robbery suspect. Appearances matter.

The officer has a split second to decide whether you are a threat or not. When someone portrays themselves as a criminal or mimics the mannerisms and characteristics of a criminal. Bad things are going happen. All the cop is thinking at the very moment is what looks like a thug with a resemblance to an armed robbery suspect is reaching for a firearm when I emphatically and repeatedly told him not to. I must defend myself now or die. That’s exactly what happened.  

I kind of see your points at the end of your post but I believe appearances matter more than race. If the people you listed looked and acted like Thomas Sowell instead of Tupac Shakur, I believe the possibility of them all being alive would be higher.

Stu - My position comes from situations involving actual contact not blindly shooting into a vehicle at night. My position is against thug culture. That’s where my anger is directed.

Now you’re making racial hypotheticals. We don’t know what that officer would’ve done if he was in the woods, in the Deep South, at night, heard gunfire, surrounded by drunken white hillbillies.

We don’t know if the police had previous calls to the house they were called to. We don’t know the type of people that were at that party. We don’t know the type of neighborhood they were in.

The totality of the circumstances matters. The officer was an idiot. He clearly lacked proper judgment. He did not deserve to hold a badge. I hope he gets life for what he did.

I do not feel that way about black people at all. My favorite musicians, actors, athletes, and authors are black. Without blacks, America would not exist. Without blacks, this country wouldn’t be the greatest. Blacks have helped win every major war in American history. I wish more blacks and whites would respect the black heroes of America as much as I do.

Wrongful death lawsuits are usually more successful than prosecution of police.  In this case, the judge dismissed some claims but not others.  Most lawsuits are settled outside of court.  The city may fear the risk of going to trial.  Settlement in other cases have been much higher than the amount awarded to Brown's parents. 

Brown's parents, nor Gray's Mommy shouldn't of gotten a dime. Daddy Brown should've been brought up on "inciting a riot" charges for his "Burn this Mofo down" calls during the civil unrest.

If the cops are not indicted in the death of a criminal why should the city be fearful of going to trial? It's ridiculous to pay-off people that don't deserve it. If it's truly a "wrongful death" situation, I'm all for the payoffs but Brown & Gray are examples of situations that should not get paid.

Very good decisions by the judges

Killer_B - The problem is liberal judges. Liberals despise cops with a passion. It’s not their fault though. It’s ignorance. They are like brainwashed little children that don’t know any better. The city is fearful of the thug rioting that would ensue if the case went to trial and again the shooting was confirmed to be justified. I guess it’s easier to pay the thugs family than deal with the rioting thugs.

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Ktrain - Ok so then why wasn't the guy in the video I posted shot then? What do you think the fundamental difference was in that situation vs someone like Philando Castille?

As I said in my post, I believe the officers in the video sh!t themselves. They are not cloned robots. Not everyone handles situations the same. I believe shock and panic set in and the officers’ minds went blank. That’s why I believe the officers did not fire their firearms.

I don’t know what the call in the video was about? It’s hard to tell you what the officers are thinking when I don’t know why they are making contact in the first place. I know it wasn’t a call about a man armed or brandishing a firearm because if it was the officers would be guns out.

Also cops make contact on the information that dispatch gives them. If dispatch told the officers a misdemeanor was in progress or his background information beforehand and it was clean. The contact is going to not be aggressive. Another thing is I don’t know if the officers have had any previous encounters with him before. That also comes into play in every encounter.

I thought the video was awesome because the guy was tased multiple times and still had the ability to fight. I’m amazed that some people are unfazed by tasers.

Here’s where the bad character points I made play a factor. Philando Castile, likely from looking at his photos, had the appearance of a thug, talked like a thug, dressed like a thug and also had a close resemblance to an armed robbery suspect. Appearances matter.

The officer has a split second to decide whether you are a threat or not. When someone portrays themselves as a criminal or mimics the mannerisms and characteristics of a criminal. Bad things are going happen. All the cop is thinking at the very moment is what looks like a thug with a resemblance to an armed robbery suspect is reaching for a firearm when I emphatically and repeatedly told him not to. I must defend myself now or die. That’s exactly what happened.  

I kind of see your points at the end of your post but I believe appearances matter more than race. If the people you listed looked and acted like Thomas Sowell instead of Tupac Shakur, I believe the possibility of them all being alive would be higher.

Ktrain - Philando Castile was pulled over for having his break lights out. It’s illegal to only have one active break light. What does acknowledging the presence of having a firearm have to do with anything?  

Castile:  Sir, I have to tell you I do have a firearm on me.
Officer Yanez: Ok.
Officer Yanez: Don’t reach for it then.
Officer Yanez: Don’t pull it out.
Castile:  I don’t have to pull it out.
Officer Yanez: Don’t pull it out.
Officer Yanez: Fires 7 rounds into Castile.

Officer Yanez warned Castile 3 fukking times not to reach or touch the fukking firearm. How much more clear could the officer have been? Castile got himself shot for not listening.

Shooting the white guy would be illegal after he took off running. Supreme Court case, Tennessee vs. Garner, held that the police may not shoot at a fleeing person unless the officer reasonably believes that the individual poses a significant physical danger to the officer or others in the community. It was found that use of deadly force to prevent escape is an unreasonable seizure under the Fourth Amendment, in the absence of probable cause that the fleeing suspect posed a physical danger.

The officers had the right to shoot him inside only. They were in imminent danger. For some reason the second officer drew his taser instead of his firearm. He had 10 seconds to shoot his firearm but didn’t. I guess he feared liberals more than for his life at that moment. Maybe he was scared to kill someone. I don’t know? I believe he would’ve been justified to shoot to kill. But that’s me though. Killing someone is scary, even when it’s justifiable, because all it takes is a few liberals to destroy your life.

The only way the officers could shoot him outside was if they could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they felt their lives were in danger outside. It would be hard for the cops to say their lives were in danger outside considering the white guy was running away from them unarmed. The officers need probable cause to kill a running suspect. They didn’t have PC to kill him outside and both officers were probably afraid to kill someone. You’d have to ask them what happened.

Charles Kinsey was shot by a dumbass Mexican cop. The man was a fully blown idiot. He deserves to be charged with attempted manslaughter and put in a cell with a bunch of other officers taking turns kicking his dumbass for what he did. The officers on scene that day and the leadership of that particular police department really suck, IMO. I can’t defend the officers on scene or that department.