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    Skipbone
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2011 - 6:52 PM ET #26

    Quit em both and start picking MLB games @ 59 percent.

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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2011 - 10:22 PM ET #27

    not even a second thought dude. no benefits equals big problem. try to purchase health insurance on your own and it'll be a hell of alot more than that $3k raise. stay where you're at until you can find a hugher paying job with benefits.
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    not even a second thought dude. no benefits equals big problem. try to purchase health insurance on your own and it'll be a hell of alot more than that $3k raise. stay where you're at until you can find a hugher paying job with benefits.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2011 - 10:34 PM ET #28

    what will happen if your kid or wife comes down with the flu or something like that.  Maybe not that big of a deal but to sweat out whether or not you should go to the Doc because you do not have (or have really weak) insurance is

    Now that is a simple example.  Think of what happens if your kid breaks an arm playing, or you guys get in a car crash and anyone in the family gets hurt or.... (the list goes on and on).  Now imagine what having no benefits gets you...

    And that does not even touch on the topic of other benefits like 401K which I assume you are getting (correct?).  This extra money should be considered as income just in the same way that spending less on gas should also be considered as added income.

    Good luck


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    what will happen if your kid or wife comes down with the flu or something like that.  Maybe not that big of a deal but to sweat out whether or not you should go to the Doc because you do not have (or have really weak) insurance is

    Now that is a simple example.  Think of what happens if your kid breaks an arm playing, or you guys get in a car crash and anyone in the family gets hurt or.... (the list goes on and on).  Now imagine what having no benefits gets you...

    And that does not even touch on the topic of other benefits like 401K which I assume you are getting (correct?).  This extra money should be considered as income just in the same way that spending less on gas should also be considered as added income.

    Good luck


     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2011 - 10:34 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Grass is always greener on the other side....but somebodies gotta mow that shit

    100 less miles driven per week will add up in time and money. Weekends and evenings off are nice.

    So, what you need to do is figure out what the saving will be per year on gas. Say gas is $3.00 pg (conservative) and your car gets 25 mpg (probably not)....Thats another $1200 in savings (probably closer to 2K in reality)....

    So, you need to find what kind of insurance you can get for 4-500 per month. Probably wont be that great.

    Lastly, like you said, the small company is much more likely to go out of business.

    I would probably stick with what you got. 30 miles travel isnt bad at all and the benefits are the kicker.

    gl either way


    He'll have to pay much more than that for benefits.

    I'm guessing around $1000-$1200/month to match what he currently has.

    You'll have to come out of pocket about $600 per month after you factor in the excess 3k and what you're saving on gas.

    The #s are a little skewed though since you'll have to work about 60 days less per year. 

    My guess is you'll also be a lot happier and healthier with the move out of corporate america.  That along with more time with family = shit you can't put a price tag on.

    I would take the new job in a heartbeat.  


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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Grass is always greener on the other side....but somebodies gotta mow that shit

    100 less miles driven per week will add up in time and money. Weekends and evenings off are nice.

    So, what you need to do is figure out what the saving will be per year on gas. Say gas is $3.00 pg (conservative) and your car gets 25 mpg (probably not)....Thats another $1200 in savings (probably closer to 2K in reality)....

    So, you need to find what kind of insurance you can get for 4-500 per month. Probably wont be that great.

    Lastly, like you said, the small company is much more likely to go out of business.

    I would probably stick with what you got. 30 miles travel isnt bad at all and the benefits are the kicker.

    gl either way


    He'll have to pay much more than that for benefits.

    I'm guessing around $1000-$1200/month to match what he currently has.

    You'll have to come out of pocket about $600 per month after you factor in the excess 3k and what you're saving on gas.

    The #s are a little skewed though since you'll have to work about 60 days less per year. 

    My guess is you'll also be a lot happier and healthier with the move out of corporate america.  That along with more time with family = shit you can't put a price tag on.

    I would take the new job in a heartbeat.  


     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2011 - 10:40 PM ET #30

    What % is your current employer matching for your retirement program?
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2011 - 10:50 PM ET #31

    So, do you actually work 6 days a week like people are assuming or do you work Saturdays but still have a 5 day work week?

    You said you have a family.  Not sure what some of these guys are talking about, but you'd be a fool to take a job for 3k less with no benefits.

    Also, are you working at an actual office with thousands of employees or does the company have thousands of employees in multiple locations?

    I think this is a no brainer.  You're the only breadwinner and you have a family.  The other job not offering any insurance would be an easy deal killer for me.
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    So, do you actually work 6 days a week like people are assuming or do you work Saturdays but still have a 5 day work week?

    You said you have a family.  Not sure what some of these guys are talking about, but you'd be a fool to take a job for 3k less with no benefits.

    Also, are you working at an actual office with thousands of employees or does the company have thousands of employees in multiple locations?

    I think this is a no brainer.  You're the only breadwinner and you have a family.  The other job not offering any insurance would be an easy deal killer for me.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2011 - 10:52 PM ET #32

    oops, meant 3k more with no benefits
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    Posted: Jul. 1, 2011 - 11:05 PM ET #33

    I told the corporate world to go fuck itself a long time ago so don't take my advice 


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    Posted: Jul. 2, 2011 - 10:20 AM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by jackjaffee:

    So, do you actually work 6 days a week like people are assuming or do you work Saturdays but still have a 5 day work week?

    You said you have a family.  Not sure what some of these guys are talking about, but you'd be a fool to take a job for 3k less with no benefits.

    Also, are you working at an actual office with thousands of employees or does the company have thousands of employees in multiple locations?

    I think this is a no brainer.  You're the only breadwinner and you have a family.  The other job not offering any insurance would be an easy deal killer for me.

    I agree here.  Not having insurance for your family is a potentially devastating proposition. Especially for 3K more. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackjaffee:

    So, do you actually work 6 days a week like people are assuming or do you work Saturdays but still have a 5 day work week?

    You said you have a family.  Not sure what some of these guys are talking about, but you'd be a fool to take a job for 3k less with no benefits.

    Also, are you working at an actual office with thousands of employees or does the company have thousands of employees in multiple locations?

    I think this is a no brainer.  You're the only breadwinner and you have a family.  The other job not offering any insurance would be an easy deal killer for me.

    I agree here.  Not having insurance for your family is a potentially devastating proposition. Especially for 3K more. 

     
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    tuf one for sure. i see why youre struggling. little story for ya that may help if you dont mind reading all my bs dribble...

    it was a different businees world then (late 80s) and industry (grocery) but my pops was in similar shoes about what to do with job and family and dealing with small comp vs big comp back in the day at 33 yrs old and a small family. it was a tuf call for him but ended up going with the private small family owned food broker firm and started his exec life over in a new kinda job but same industry. it was the greatest decision he ever made.

    pops new he felt confident in the company and more importantly the ppl in charge. first company he was with was a grocery store that got bought out by big chain where he wud commute to. and then just like that, one day someone told him about switching sales jobs to being a food broker and come check out this family owned business 30 miles away in the bay area. 

    my pops bought a new home 10 mi from where wrk would be in the east bay suburbs, took a 800 dollar a month salary cut initially with a wife and two little sons, bit his lip for 6 mths staying at his mother in laws home with us cause our old house sold quick and other one wasnt ready yet, and set sail on a whole new journey for his family...best f*ckin decision of his life and ours..

    within a few yrs he was the best there and nationally recognized for his skills. back to back national awards. more importantly there was a family feel to the company. i loved the place. also, like youre struggling with, my dad had so much more time for what he cherished, his family. my pops was cyo bball coach and there for all highschool games for my bro and i and all the sh*t in between.

    the old man felt confident the small company he was moving on to was gonna succeed. he felt confident he could succeed there as well and so the sacrifice was worth the so called gamble. thus your debate... how confident do you feel in each aspect? the company pops left for eventually got to damn good a decade plus later and the family sold itself off to the big boys. company name has changed three times since "merger." funny sh*t. pops became just a number as he called it...a known number in the game, but still not the same as before. all good tho, hes about to retire next yr and move off to palm springs and has been basicly with the "same company" for over 20 yrs now.

    best damn pops in the world along with my momz.

    ...and i know hed say this to you in your decision making...its all about how confident you feel in the small company and its leadership and how important all the little things with family are to you. dont force the situation. but always strive for what you want. everything else will take care of itself.

      j

     

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    tuf one for sure. i see why youre struggling. little story for ya that may help if you dont mind reading all my bs dribble...

    it was a different businees world then (late 80s) and industry (grocery) but my pops was in similar shoes about what to do with job and family and dealing with small comp vs big comp back in the day at 33 yrs old and a small family. it was a tuf call for him but ended up going with the private small family owned food broker firm and started his exec life over in a new kinda job but same industry. it was the greatest decision he ever made.

    pops new he felt confident in the company and more importantly the ppl in charge. first company he was with was a grocery store that got bought out by big chain where he wud commute to. and then just like that, one day someone told him about switching sales jobs to being a food broker and come check out this family owned business 30 miles away in the bay area. 

    my pops bought a new home 10 mi from where wrk would be in the east bay suburbs, took a 800 dollar a month salary cut initially with a wife and two little sons, bit his lip for 6 mths staying at his mother in laws home with us cause our old house sold quick and other one wasnt ready yet, and set sail on a whole new journey for his family...best f*ckin decision of his life and ours..

    within a few yrs he was the best there and nationally recognized for his skills. back to back national awards. more importantly there was a family feel to the company. i loved the place. also, like youre struggling with, my dad had so much more time for what he cherished, his family. my pops was cyo bball coach and there for all highschool games for my bro and i and all the sh*t in between.

    the old man felt confident the small company he was moving on to was gonna succeed. he felt confident he could succeed there as well and so the sacrifice was worth the so called gamble. thus your debate... how confident do you feel in each aspect? the company pops left for eventually got to damn good a decade plus later and the family sold itself off to the big boys. company name has changed three times since "merger." funny sh*t. pops became just a number as he called it...a known number in the game, but still not the same as before. all good tho, hes about to retire next yr and move off to palm springs and has been basicly with the "same company" for over 20 yrs now.

    best damn pops in the world along with my momz.

    ...and i know hed say this to you in your decision making...its all about how confident you feel in the small company and its leadership and how important all the little things with family are to you. dont force the situation. but always strive for what you want. everything else will take care of itself.

      j

     

     
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    It's a no brainer.  Take the $63K job.

    For starters, you'll be spending about $700 - $800 less in gas money each year because you'll be traveling 20 miles less each day. Who wouldn't want to use an extra $700?

    The smaller company of 25 employees will less likely lay you off as opposed to the bigger company.  Job security is key.

    Regardless if you're married wth kids or single, who the heck would want to work on weekends and holidays?

    Who wants to deal with corporate red tape and bureaucracy?  You'll be less likely to deal with that in a smaller company.

    If buildng a good workng relationship with your boss is important, then go with the smaller company. Your boss will have more time to work with you and attend to your needs and concerns.

    The only downside to your new job is the lack of benefits.  I can't believe any company wouldn't offer their employees any benefits, unless you're a contractor.  Are you working as a contractor?

    Having said that, the extra $3k will make up for the lack of benefits, so you'll break even.    GL with whatever you decide.

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    It's a no brainer.  Take the $63K job.

    For starters, you'll be spending about $700 - $800 less in gas money each year because you'll be traveling 20 miles less each day. Who wouldn't want to use an extra $700?

    The smaller company of 25 employees will less likely lay you off as opposed to the bigger company.  Job security is key.

    Regardless if you're married wth kids or single, who the heck would want to work on weekends and holidays?

    Who wants to deal with corporate red tape and bureaucracy?  You'll be less likely to deal with that in a smaller company.

    If buildng a good workng relationship with your boss is important, then go with the smaller company. Your boss will have more time to work with you and attend to your needs and concerns.

    The only downside to your new job is the lack of benefits.  I can't believe any company wouldn't offer their employees any benefits, unless you're a contractor.  Are you working as a contractor?

    Having said that, the extra $3k will make up for the lack of benefits, so you'll break even.    GL with whatever you decide.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockdog:

    It's a no brainer.  Take the $63K job.

    For starters, you'll be spending about $700 - $800 less in gas money each year because you'll be traveling 20 miles less each day. Who wouldn't want to use an extra $700?

    The smaller company of 25 employees will less likely lay you off as opposed to the bigger company.  Job security is key.

    Regardless if you're married wth kids or single, who the heck would want to work on weekends and holidays?

    Who wants to deal with corporate red tape and bureaucracy?  You'll be less likely to deal with that in a smaller company.

    If buildng a good workng relationship with your boss is important, then go with the smaller company. Your boss will have more time to work with you and attend to your needs and concerns.

    The only downside to your new job is the lack of benefits.  I can't believe any company wouldn't offer their employees any benefits, unless you're a contractor.  Are you working as a contractor?

    Having said that, the extra $3k will make up for the lack of benefits, so you'll break even.    GL with whatever you decide.

    I agree with everything you said here except the highlighted part.

    3k will not even come remotely close to breaking even for health, dental, vision (whatever else benefits he currently has) for a family.  This does not mention the 401K match that I assume that he is currently getting (probably around 3 - 6% match) from the company that is free money and will grow over time due to compounding interest. 

    Either way it is a tough decision but none the less he has a decision which is enviable for lots of people right now.

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    It's a no brainer.  Take the $63K job.

    For starters, you'll be spending about $700 - $800 less in gas money each year because you'll be traveling 20 miles less each day. Who wouldn't want to use an extra $700?

    The smaller company of 25 employees will less likely lay you off as opposed to the bigger company.  Job security is key.

    Regardless if you're married wth kids or single, who the heck would want to work on weekends and holidays?

    Who wants to deal with corporate red tape and bureaucracy?  You'll be less likely to deal with that in a smaller company.

    If buildng a good workng relationship with your boss is important, then go with the smaller company. Your boss will have more time to work with you and attend to your needs and concerns.

    The only downside to your new job is the lack of benefits.  I can't believe any company wouldn't offer their employees any benefits, unless you're a contractor.  Are you working as a contractor?

    Having said that, the extra $3k will make up for the lack of benefits, so you'll break even.    GL with whatever you decide.

    I agree with everything you said here except the highlighted part.

    3k will not even come remotely close to breaking even for health, dental, vision (whatever else benefits he currently has) for a family.  This does not mention the 401K match that I assume that he is currently getting (probably around 3 - 6% match) from the company that is free money and will grow over time due to compounding interest. 

    Either way it is a tough decision but none the less he has a decision which is enviable for lots of people right now.

     
     
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    I also find it hard to believe that any company will not provide some type of benefits to employees.
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    I also find it hard to believe that any company will not provide some type of benefits to employees.
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