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    Joe Paterno Is Catching Too Much Heat.

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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 2:50 AM ET #201

    Quote Originally Posted by elsewhere:

    dude you gotta watch your mouth

    It’s pretty telling how vegasveteran keeps talking about “fucking little boys in the ass.”

    It’s obvious what is on this sicko’s mind.

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    dude you gotta watch your mouth

    It’s pretty telling how vegasveteran keeps talking about “fucking little boys in the ass.”

    It’s obvious what is on this sicko’s mind.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 2:53 AM ET #202

    Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

    It’s pretty telling how vegasveteran keeps talking about “fucking little boys in the ass.”

    It’s obvious what is on this sicko’s mind.



    Keep reaching. Post all my quotes about that. I'm calling you out. Back up your claims or I ask the mods to box you. I know you can't back up your claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

    It’s pretty telling how vegasveteran keeps talking about “fucking little boys in the ass.”

    It’s obvious what is on this sicko’s mind.



    Keep reaching. Post all my quotes about that. I'm calling you out. Back up your claims or I ask the mods to box you. I know you can't back up your claims.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 2:53 AM ET #203

    looks like Paterno will be on his way out in a few days

    https://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/11/08/SPKI1LS5OD.DTL

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    looks like Paterno will be on his way out in a few days

    https://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/11/08/SPKI1LS5OD.DTL

     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 2:54 AM ET #204

    Back it up StraightShooter.
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 2:54 AM ET #205

    Quote Originally Posted by TILTOLOGIC:


    I have read the grand jury report, I read it about an hour after it was released on Saturday. 

    Do you not have a moral compass?  Apparently not, because you think its just fine that Joe Paterno never spoke up or protested the fact that the university allowed this to continue.  You obviously dont' understand the power that comes from Joe Paterno's opinion on that campus. All he had to do was be brave and speak out. But he didn't. He wanted to keep coaching, so he fell in line. This is not debatable at all. 

    Like I said in another thread, there are legal obligations, and moral obligations, one comes with tangible consequences and the other doesn't. I find it quite disturbing that anyone would forgive Joe for being to cowardly to speak up.

    He would of been even more revered than he now. Even more so if they sent him packing for threatening to speak. But instead he chose the easy route, and now he will be forever remembered for his failure to act.

    And before you go off, I've been fortunate enough to meet Joe Paterno many years ago. I have no axe to grind. I just can't accept his inaction, his cowardice to ensure he could coach another year. 

    I would bet everything I own that if you had a child close to you victimized by a predator you would be singing a much different tune. 

    Exactly right about vegasveteran.

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    I have read the grand jury report, I read it about an hour after it was released on Saturday. 

    Do you not have a moral compass?  Apparently not, because you think its just fine that Joe Paterno never spoke up or protested the fact that the university allowed this to continue.  You obviously dont' understand the power that comes from Joe Paterno's opinion on that campus. All he had to do was be brave and speak out. But he didn't. He wanted to keep coaching, so he fell in line. This is not debatable at all. 

    Like I said in another thread, there are legal obligations, and moral obligations, one comes with tangible consequences and the other doesn't. I find it quite disturbing that anyone would forgive Joe for being to cowardly to speak up.

    He would of been even more revered than he now. Even more so if they sent him packing for threatening to speak. But instead he chose the easy route, and now he will be forever remembered for his failure to act.

    And before you go off, I've been fortunate enough to meet Joe Paterno many years ago. I have no axe to grind. I just can't accept his inaction, his cowardice to ensure he could coach another year. 

    I would bet everything I own that if you had a child close to you victimized by a predator you would be singing a much different tune. 

    Exactly right about vegasveteran.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 2:55 AM ET #206

    Post all my quotes about fucking little boys in the ass.

    Post all of them.

    Calling you out. Post ALL OF THEM.
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    Post all my quotes about fucking little boys in the ass.

    Post all of them.

    Calling you out. Post ALL OF THEM.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 2:56 AM ET #207

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVeteran:



    Your arguments are nothing but opinion and I have OWNED you. Prove me wrong and I'll admit it.

    You have already been proven wrong by many people numerous times.  Everyone in this thread with an IQ over 75 knows it.  No one cares if you admit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVeteran:



    Your arguments are nothing but opinion and I have OWNED you. Prove me wrong and I'll admit it.

    You have already been proven wrong by many people numerous times.  Everyone in this thread with an IQ over 75 knows it.  No one cares if you admit it.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 2:56 AM ET #208

    Calling you out StraightShooter. Don't dodge it. You said it. Post ALL OF THEM.
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    Calling you out StraightShooter. Don't dodge it. You said it. Post ALL OF THEM.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 2:56 AM ET #209

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVeteran:



    Keep reaching. Post all my quotes about that. I'm calling you out. Back up your claims or I ask the mods to box you. I know you can't back up your claims.


    You're going to ask?




    Why not start a thread in Covers Help?

    For fuck's sake....

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVeteran:



    Keep reaching. Post all my quotes about that. I'm calling you out. Back up your claims or I ask the mods to box you. I know you can't back up your claims.


    You're going to ask?




    Why not start a thread in Covers Help?

    For fuck's sake....

     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 2:56 AM ET #210

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVeteran:



    Did any Penn State employee do any more than Joe Pa did? Did Sandusky's wife come forward. Is it possible his wife and Joe Paterno didn't know the extent of what was going on??

    would you please address my point about a moral obligation Explain why he didn't have a moral obligation, and maybe you will change my mind.

    Did you miss my point about the power of Joe Pa's opinion? yes you did. If you had grasped this fact, you wouldn't of brought up what other employee's saw or did,  because you would understand the power of Joe Paterno's opinion towers of the sum of every other employee's opinon at PSU 

    now try again.
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    Did any Penn State employee do any more than Joe Pa did? Did Sandusky's wife come forward. Is it possible his wife and Joe Paterno didn't know the extent of what was going on??

    would you please address my point about a moral obligation Explain why he didn't have a moral obligation, and maybe you will change my mind.

    Did you miss my point about the power of Joe Pa's opinion? yes you did. If you had grasped this fact, you wouldn't of brought up what other employee's saw or did,  because you would understand the power of Joe Paterno's opinion towers of the sum of every other employee's opinon at PSU 

    now try again.
     
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    i suggest you read this VV

    Imagine it was your child.

    Imagine it was your son, or your grandson, or some other 10-year-old you cared about.

    And then the Penn State scandal will sink in a bit more deeply, the one that must force Penn State coach Joe Paterno into retirement. It is a case where one person after another - including Paterno - punted a deeply disturbing allegation to someone else.

    Meanwhile, nothing was really getting done. And a former Penn State defensive coordinator named Jerry Sandusky was free to be - if these allegations are true - a child molester. A monster of the worst kind.

    This is not a sports story. This is a story about a lack of judgment and a lack of human decency.

    In March 2002, a Penn State University graduate student told legendary football coach Paterno that he had witnessed Sandusky sexually assaulting a 10-year-old boy in the football facility's showers.

    Paterno did not go to the police - and wouldn't you have wanted him to if that was your son? I have a 10-year-old son myself, and so these allegations make me sick - and angry - on a lot of levels.

    Paterno talked to the university's athletics director instead.

    Amazingly, no one went to the police. Not Paterno, not the grad student, not the athletics director. They apparently just told Sandusky not to bring any more children on campus.

    Sandusky - who was retired by then from football but who still ran a charity for disadvantaged youth and had the run of the Penn State football facility - was free to commit more acts of abuse elsewhere, which Pennsylvania prosecutors allege he did.

    Sandusky, 67, was arrested Saturday and charged with 40 counts of sexually abusing eight boys over a 15-year period.

    During some of that time he was still an assistant at Penn State, where he worked for Paterno for 32 years and once was considered his heir apparent.

    By reporting the incident to his athletics director, Paterno, 84, legally seems to have done the bare minimum required.

    But morally, what he did was not even close to the bare minimum. It was not nearly enough.

    Paterno, the head coach at Penn State for 46 years, has done a whole lot of good in his life. He's won a lot of football games - 409 of them, more than any other major college coach - in the place called Happy Valley. He has long and affectionately been considered a throwback with his big black glasses, his knotted tie, his rolled-up pants and his professorial appearance.

    But his time has come and gone. By not responding appropriately to such a stunning charge, Paterno has shown himself to be either way out of touch, or way too loyal, or way too worried about the Penn State brand being sullied, or way too sure that someone else was going to do the right thing so he didn't have to deal with it.

    Of course, Sandusky is the one who is charged with these heinous crimes, not Paterno. If they are true, Sandusky deserves a special place in hell.

    But those who knew and failed to act - Paterno, the athletics director and others - may have allowed more children to be harmed by Sandusky. And that's just unconscionable. Paterno should lose his job over it, as should Penn State President Graham Spanier.

    There is no joy in calling for Paterno's career to end badly, for the beloved "JoePa" not to get the sort of royal sendoff that Dean Smith has received at North Carolina.

    Paterno's teams didn't cheat. His players graduated. He won two national championships in the 1980s (both of them with Sandusky calling the shots on defense and helping Penn State establish its reputation as Linebacker U).

    But Paterno's motto at Penn State, "Success with Honor," rings hollow today. His image has been tarnished, as has his school's.

    The coach had a moral obligation to do more than he did when he heard the eyewitness account about Sandusky's abuse. And because he didn't, he must go.



    Read more: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/11/09/2759250/lack-of-judgment-lack-of-decency.html#ixzz1dC18Gp9v
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    i suggest you read this VV

    Imagine it was your child.

    Imagine it was your son, or your grandson, or some other 10-year-old you cared about.

    And then the Penn State scandal will sink in a bit more deeply, the one that must force Penn State coach Joe Paterno into retirement. It is a case where one person after another - including Paterno - punted a deeply disturbing allegation to someone else.

    Meanwhile, nothing was really getting done. And a former Penn State defensive coordinator named Jerry Sandusky was free to be - if these allegations are true - a child molester. A monster of the worst kind.

    This is not a sports story. This is a story about a lack of judgment and a lack of human decency.

    In March 2002, a Penn State University graduate student told legendary football coach Paterno that he had witnessed Sandusky sexually assaulting a 10-year-old boy in the football facility's showers.

    Paterno did not go to the police - and wouldn't you have wanted him to if that was your son? I have a 10-year-old son myself, and so these allegations make me sick - and angry - on a lot of levels.

    Paterno talked to the university's athletics director instead.

    Amazingly, no one went to the police. Not Paterno, not the grad student, not the athletics director. They apparently just told Sandusky not to bring any more children on campus.

    Sandusky - who was retired by then from football but who still ran a charity for disadvantaged youth and had the run of the Penn State football facility - was free to commit more acts of abuse elsewhere, which Pennsylvania prosecutors allege he did.

    Sandusky, 67, was arrested Saturday and charged with 40 counts of sexually abusing eight boys over a 15-year period.

    During some of that time he was still an assistant at Penn State, where he worked for Paterno for 32 years and once was considered his heir apparent.

    By reporting the incident to his athletics director, Paterno, 84, legally seems to have done the bare minimum required.

    But morally, what he did was not even close to the bare minimum. It was not nearly enough.

    Paterno, the head coach at Penn State for 46 years, has done a whole lot of good in his life. He's won a lot of football games - 409 of them, more than any other major college coach - in the place called Happy Valley. He has long and affectionately been considered a throwback with his big black glasses, his knotted tie, his rolled-up pants and his professorial appearance.

    But his time has come and gone. By not responding appropriately to such a stunning charge, Paterno has shown himself to be either way out of touch, or way too loyal, or way too worried about the Penn State brand being sullied, or way too sure that someone else was going to do the right thing so he didn't have to deal with it.

    Of course, Sandusky is the one who is charged with these heinous crimes, not Paterno. If they are true, Sandusky deserves a special place in hell.

    But those who knew and failed to act - Paterno, the athletics director and others - may have allowed more children to be harmed by Sandusky. And that's just unconscionable. Paterno should lose his job over it, as should Penn State President Graham Spanier.

    There is no joy in calling for Paterno's career to end badly, for the beloved "JoePa" not to get the sort of royal sendoff that Dean Smith has received at North Carolina.

    Paterno's teams didn't cheat. His players graduated. He won two national championships in the 1980s (both of them with Sandusky calling the shots on defense and helping Penn State establish its reputation as Linebacker U).

    But Paterno's motto at Penn State, "Success with Honor," rings hollow today. His image has been tarnished, as has his school's.

    The coach had a moral obligation to do more than he did when he heard the eyewitness account about Sandusky's abuse. And because he didn't, he must go.



    Read more: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/11/09/2759250/lack-of-judgment-lack-of-decency.html#ixzz1dC18Gp9v
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

    It’s pretty telling how vegasveteran keeps talking about “fucking little boys in the ass.”

    It’s obvious what is on this sicko’s mind.



    Keeps talking about....post all my posts about that. CALLING YOU OUT STRAIGHTSHOOTER.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

    It’s pretty telling how vegasveteran keeps talking about “fucking little boys in the ass.”

    It’s obvious what is on this sicko’s mind.



    Keeps talking about....post all my posts about that. CALLING YOU OUT STRAIGHTSHOOTER.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 2:58 AM ET #213

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVeteran:



    And surprisingly a non fact. Not surprisingly but expected.

    Wow, what a backbreaking comeback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVeteran:



    And surprisingly a non fact. Not surprisingly but expected.

    Wow, what a backbreaking comeback.

     
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    Basically what you are saying VV, is that since Joe Paterno only thought he was fondling or bear hugging boys, and not actually raping them. It was ok to keep quiet...This is how your argument is interpreted.  Do your realize this?


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    Basically what you are saying VV, is that since Joe Paterno only thought he was fondling or bear hugging boys, and not actually raping them. It was ok to keep quiet...This is how your argument is interpreted.  Do your realize this?


     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 3:00 AM ET #215

    Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

    Wow, what a backbreaking comeback.



    Calling you out. And you keep dodging it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightShooter:

    Wow, what a backbreaking comeback.



    Calling you out. And you keep dodging it.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 3:01 AM ET #216

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVeteran:



    Yeah that makes sense.


    "Saying a lie over and over again doesn’t make it true" doesn’t make sense to you?

    Wow, you’re dumber than I thought.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVeteran:



    Yeah that makes sense.


    "Saying a lie over and over again doesn’t make it true" doesn’t make sense to you?

    Wow, you’re dumber than I thought.

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 3:02 AM ET #217

    CALLING YOU OUT.
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    CALLING YOU OUT.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 3:02 AM ET #218

    So- if you're JoePa-

    I'm curious how practice goes knowing your D coordinator is a pedophile....


    They probably really focused on the tight ends....


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    So- if you're JoePa-

    I'm curious how practice goes knowing your D coordinator is a pedophile....


    They probably really focused on the tight ends....


     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 3:05 AM ET #219

    Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:

    So- if you're JoePa-

    I'm curious how practice goes knowing your D coordinator is a pedophile....


    They probably really focused on the tight ends....




    The first Joe Paterno was informed about Sandusky's actions were 3 yrs after his retirement. Get your facts straight then come back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:

    So- if you're JoePa-

    I'm curious how practice goes knowing your D coordinator is a pedophile....


    They probably really focused on the tight ends....




    The first Joe Paterno was informed about Sandusky's actions were 3 yrs after his retirement. Get your facts straight then come back.
     
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    VV, where are you? Defend your convictions and refute my questions and points, I mean thats what we are doing here right?


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    VV, where are you? Defend your convictions and refute my questions and points, I mean thats what we are doing here right?


     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 3:08 AM ET #221

    Quote Originally Posted by TILTOLOGIC:

    VV, where are you? Defend your convictions and refute my questions and points, I mean thats what we are doing here right?




    Not dodging you. Just calling a couple others before you out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TILTOLOGIC:

    VV, where are you? Defend your convictions and refute my questions and points, I mean thats what we are doing here right?




    Not dodging you. Just calling a couple others before you out.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 3:09 AM ET #222

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVeteran:



    The first Joe Paterno was informed about Sandusky's actions were 3 yrs after his retirement. Get your facts straight then come back.


    He retired in 1999....

    So.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVeteran:



    The first Joe Paterno was informed about Sandusky's actions were 3 yrs after his retirement. Get your facts straight then come back.


    He retired in 1999....

    So.....


     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 3:10 AM ET #223

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVeteran:



    The first Joe Paterno was informed about Sandusky's actions were 3 yrs after his retirement. Get your facts straight then come back.

    So you know- my issue is with anyone who had knowledge of this- not just JoePa...

    He's just the most visible...


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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVeteran:



    The first Joe Paterno was informed about Sandusky's actions were 3 yrs after his retirement. Get your facts straight then come back.

    So you know- my issue is with anyone who had knowledge of this- not just JoePa...

    He's just the most visible...


     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 3:12 AM ET #224

    Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:


    So you know- my issue is with anyone who had knowledge of this- not just JoePa...

    He's just the most visible...



    well said, and I agree completely
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:


    So you know- my issue is with anyone who had knowledge of this- not just JoePa...

    He's just the most visible...



    well said, and I agree completely
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2011 - 3:18 AM ET #225

    Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:



    He retired in 1999....

    So.....




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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsn150:



    He retired in 1999....

    So.....




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