Joe Paterno Is Catching Too Much Heat.

Quote Originally Posted by cave0707:

You think he's getting too much heat?!  So he told his boss that one of his coordinators is banging helpless little boys and thats it?  If that was my child getting raped by some old man, I'd kill him right then and there.  There's no waiting around for the police homie.  His D coordinator used his college program as bait so he could lure little boys in for his pleasure.  This has got to be the most disgusting thing that has happened to a college football program PERIOD.  If Joe Pa being terminated for not doing more is the only thing that happens to him, he should consider himself extremely lucky.  I personally think Paterno deserves some jail time.  That's just me.

Get your facts straight. Sandusky was not on the coaching staff in 2002.He was given an office in the football building by the university not Paterno. In 1998 he was an assistant coach when the first incident happened and that incident was investigated by the university and I believe Centre County Child Welfare. It was basically deemed nfounded and no charges were filed.

I think most decent people here would agree that anyone who claims a random adult placing a $100 bet on a football game has the same effect on a child as a pedophile sodomizing them and forcing them to perform oral sex on him has some serious issues and a broken moral compass.

Get some help, darkhorse12. 

Also you should stay the hell away from children because with a broken moral compass no good can come of it.

Since you deem yourself to be so intelligent how about you rebutting me with facts. Maybe if you look into your crystal ball you can come up with something.

How about some facts from you?Isn't that your moral obligation?

Some random adult placing a small bet on a football game does NOT have the same effect on a child as a pedophile sodomizing them and forcing them to perform oral sex on him.

It’s pretty sad that you are actually arguing against that.

I guess according to you everyone on this site is no better than Sandusky.

The same dumbass claiming that a random adult placing a small bet on a football game has the same effect on a child as a pedophile sodomizing them and forcing them to perform oral sex on him is now demanding facts from other people.

If you truly think that you obviously have a broken moral compass.   It would be better for everyone if you just stayed the hell away from children.

Sorry, I meant to respond to some of these posts last night in connection with my other post, but it was way past my bedtime and I ran out of steam.

Very, very, very poor generalization above. For someone who loves to put down other posters' intelligence levels, I'd be willing to guess that the majority on this site could figure out where my illegiances lie.  A simple glance at my user name and avatar should have made that extremely obvious.

Pennsylvania is a very large state, and alot of people here don't give two $hits about Penn State, myself included.

I could have quoted any number of your posts on this thread, or other threads in the forum, to provide evidence that your favorite tactic is to try and attack the character of anyone who disagrees with you.  It is extremely childish, and from a debate standpoint, extremely ineffective.  Your points and views lose any sort of credibility when you are more interested in belittling those who have a different opinion.

Contrary to your beliefs, not everyone who disagrees with you on this issue is a pedophile enthusiast, or has an IQ of 75 or lower, or whatever other random $hit you like to throw out. 

And personally, I don't have any issues with your opinions.  In fact, I'd say I usually tend to agree with you more times than disagree, especially in regards to alot of your posts in the politics forum, but you come across so abrasive and angry that it is very hard to take any of your points seriously 

Quote Originally Posted by TILTOLOGIC:

Joe Paterno's own words    "I wish I would of done more" 

Joe Paterno will forever be known as a Coward...

I can't wait to walk into Beaver Stadium on Saturday, Home of pedophiles and their protectors...And I plan on letting everyone know about it

 

 

Making statements like that remove any sort of potential credibility your posts may have had.  

A Nebraska fan (I'm assuming)?  With your attitude, I hope you say the wrong thing to the wrong person on Saturday and get what you deserve.   

Quote Originally Posted by marnypoly:

Wake, they had to fire him. How disgusting would the sight of 110,000 Nittany Lions fans giving this guy a standing ovation for his last home game on Sat look? There was a 99.99% chance he would've received one.

And what purpose would finishing out the season be? So he can leave with dignity? He's way passed that point. So there can be a media circus there for the next 3 weeks?

It had to be done. 

I can see their point of view. However, I think the courageous from their perspective would have been to not cave to public perception.  This is not as black and white as the media is making it, and after all that the man did for the school, I think letting him finish out the season would have been appropriate.  His legacy is already tarnished, give the man who gave Penn State so much a shred of dignity.

Assuming they don't see things that way, fine, they made the decision to fire him.  That decision should have immediately been followed up by a decision to either give back to Paterno all the money he has donated to the school (we are talking millions and millions of dollars), or donate it to a charity or something. 

I'm still waiting for that announcement

Post where I claimed everyone who disagrees with me is a pedophile enthusiast or has an IQ under 75.

Empathy is a good thing.  I have no problems with feeling the sadness and betrayal that the victims and their families are without question feeling.  What I have a problem with is taking that supposed "empathy," but allowing it to mutate into rage and venom and spout it across a message board as if you were the one who had been wronged.  To me, empathy is an inward feeling of sympathy, or putting yourself in someone elses shoes, but it stops there.  I have a hard time justifying the use of it as a rationale to further an opinion of yours in a debate with strangers on an internet forum.  Maybe I just have a different view on things.  To each their own.

Are we talking about legal culpability or moral culpability with Paterno?  If you are going down the legal path, you have already lost any sort of argument you are trying to make as based on what has been exposed in the grand jury document, Paterno is not being charged with a crime, so to me, that tells me the state of Pennsylvania does not believe he broke a law.  If the state of Pennsylvania is telling me that, I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt over how Gunners from New York chooses to attempt to interpret Pennsylvania state law.

Now, I'm not saying there is no chance the man will never be charged with something here.  But based on what has come out at this point, he did not break any law.

And going back to the whole breaking a law vs. morale issue, I'm assuming at some point along the way you have driven 1 mile over some speed limit, even if just for 5 seconds.  Great news for you, you broke the law.  However, I'm willing to guess you'd say that what Paterno did was worse, (eventhough it was just from a morale standpoint) than driving over the speed limit.  Hell, even I am willing to make that argument.  I agree he made a mistake and deserved to be punished.  I just think it got to the point where it is too much.

The fact that these were your only two comments to my post makes me think I did a good job expressing my opinions, so thank you.

Your position is to attack Paterno and that he deserves everything he is getting.  The opposite position (i.e., the act of disagreement) is to support Paterno.  Based on the above, you feel that if someone disagrees with you on the issue, they either live in Pennsylvania or are pedophile enthusiasts.  Your words, not mine buddy.

The 75 IQ is a claim I have seen you throw out multiple times in this thread.  Not sure how to quote two different previous posts in a new post, and not worth my time or effort to make another post.  You also have on numerous occasions used the "pedophile enthusiast line" to attack posters who have disagreed with you on this thread.

Not really sure I understand what point you were trying to make in your post above

Posting where I said it SEEMS the only people defending these scumbags are people in Pennsylvania and pedophile enthusiasts (note that’s NOT “people in Pennsylvania who are pedophile enthusiasts”) doesn’t cut it.

Again; I challenge you to show where I claimed everyone who disagrees with me is a pedophile enthusiast or has an IQ under 75.

Not going to get roped into this nonsense with you.  I feel I proved my point, you are harping on the way you are interpreting how it was phrased.  Gonna just agree to disagree here. I have much better things to do with my time.  I made an observation about how I view your posting style, albeit unsolicited, but I felt like responding to how I feel you have represented yourself in this thread and on this forum in general.  How about you forget I said anything and you just go about posting the way you like to.  Does that make you feel better.  I'll even let you say "win" here. Enjoy.

You made an accusation that was untrue. Then when you were challenged to back up your accusation you couldn’t do it and instead bowed out claiming you had better things to do.

I have no idea how you could possibly think that proved whatever point you were trying to make, but if believing that makes you feel better about yourself, then have at it.

On Thursday morning, just hours after legendary head coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier were fired by the school's board of trustees, Madden was asked on The Dennis and Callahan Show what he believes the next piece of news will be.

What he said was twice as shocking as anything that's been released thus far.

"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."

After the news spread, Madden later explained via Twitter why he went public with the rumors.

"I normally abhor giving RUMORS credence," Madden wrote. "But whole Sandusky scandal started out as a RUMOR. It gets deeper and more disgusting all the time. One of state's top columnists investigating. That adds credence. I am NOT rumor's original source. [Why does] Sandusky deserve benefit of doubt?"

Madden also spoke more definitively on Dennis and Callahan to the cover-up efforts at the school and beyond that he expects will be made public soon.

"The other thing I think that may eventually become uncovered, and I talked about this in my original article back in April, is that I think they'll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told that he had to retire in exchange for a cover-up," Madden said. "If you look at the timeline, that makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

"My opinion is when Sandusky quit, everybody knew -- not just at Penn State," Madden added. "I think it was a very poorly kept secret about college football in general, and that is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55. [That's] young for a coach, certainly."

if you read the bottom, you'll see that good ol moral Joe Pa knew in San Antonio what Sandusky was doing,  and said nothing when Sandusky took a little kid with him on a trip.  This is sickening

Quote Originally Posted by TILTOLOGIC:

that comment was made in anger and frustration, and trying to get a rise out of Paterno apologists...most on here realize I do this often.

I guess I can't expect you to read the 20-30 comments I've made in multiple threads regarding this.   you can get all reactionary if you want, its a free country

That being said, I've always enjoyed your contributions on here, especially in the investments forum. 

You were successful.  You are correct, I did not read your comments in other threads, so I apologize if I missed something in those posts.

I just get frustrated with the entire mob mentality about the situation.  There is so much speculation that people are just assuming as fact.  If the speculation turns into reality, I reserve my right to change my opinion on the matter, but right now, with the evidence that is actually out there, (not all of the heresay), I think the backlash against Paterno has been a bit too much. 

And it is just frustrating that the tone of so many posters who are not supportive of Paterno is so unneccessarily condescending and harsh against those who don't share the same opinion at this point.  For having a currently contrarian viewpoint, we've been labeled as, "pedophile enthusiasts" "complete fucking tool/small picture douchebags" "moronic" "dumbasses" just to highlight a few generalizations made by various posters.

To be honest, I was reading through and just pulling individual posts to respond to.  I know my response probably came across a bit too reactionary towards you, so I apologize for that.  I definitely did not take into account the poster behind the post, and just was responding to the words of the post themselves and responding out of anger and frustration myself.

If people say things like “it’s ok to rape 12 year olds because 12 is the new 18,” “adults who rape preteens should not only receive no jail time, but they shouldn’t even be put on a sexual predators list,” and “a random adult placing a bet on a game has the same effect on a child as a pedophile sodomizing them” then I’m inclined to think they are “pedophile enthusiasts” and/or “dumbasses.”

YMMV

EricLinny made the “12 is the new 18 comment.”  Sportsgamester made the “adults who have sex with preteens shouldn’t receive jail time or even be put on a sexual predators list” (or something to that effect).  Shortly after that he was boxed for all the sick shit he was saying.  And darkhorse12 was the one ranting about how placing a bet on a sporting event has the same effect on a child as what happened to that child in the penn state showers.  At least half a dozen people called him out on it and he got pretty upset that we didn't understand his fucked up logic.