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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2008 - 12:34 PM ET #51

    Quote Originally Posted by lemonsky:



    Who would be filming the Pentagon at 9:00 in the morning on a Tuesday?

    Guess what, in all of NY, only one camera caught the first plane hitting the towers, and the filmer barely caught that shot.

    And if there is film of the plane hitting the Pentagon, the government would not release for security purposes.

    I work for a production company that has filmed repeatedly at the Johnson Space Center and we always have to send the tapes for the government to vet. And it's amazing how many trivial scenes they will not allow us to air.

    Finally, did you score a 200 on the verbal portion of your SAT? No where did I infer that I trust everything the government tells me. I knew back in 2002 when the debate was raging on Iraq that it was balderdash. If you go back and read what I wrote, I stated my reason why this war was fought.

    But herein lies the problem with debating conspiracists: they're set in their opinions and no amount of evidence can sway their implacability.

    you cant be serious with this answer are you?  if so your clueless.

    Who would be filming one of the most secure buildings in the country?  lets see maybe the penatgon themselves.

    Also am sorry but releasing a tape of a plane hitting the building wouldnt be because of security purposes.  They have already released 1 distorted video where you cannot make out what hit the building, so why not release a nice clear one, that way all the conspiracy people will stop?  They dont want to show the videos because you will see that it was a missle hitting the penatgon, not a plane.  Amazing how the plane hit the spot on the pentagon where it was geting worked on, simply amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemonsky:



    Who would be filming the Pentagon at 9:00 in the morning on a Tuesday?

    Guess what, in all of NY, only one camera caught the first plane hitting the towers, and the filmer barely caught that shot.

    And if there is film of the plane hitting the Pentagon, the government would not release for security purposes.

    I work for a production company that has filmed repeatedly at the Johnson Space Center and we always have to send the tapes for the government to vet. And it's amazing how many trivial scenes they will not allow us to air.

    Finally, did you score a 200 on the verbal portion of your SAT? No where did I infer that I trust everything the government tells me. I knew back in 2002 when the debate was raging on Iraq that it was balderdash. If you go back and read what I wrote, I stated my reason why this war was fought.

    But herein lies the problem with debating conspiracists: they're set in their opinions and no amount of evidence can sway their implacability.

    you cant be serious with this answer are you?  if so your clueless.

    Who would be filming one of the most secure buildings in the country?  lets see maybe the penatgon themselves.

    Also am sorry but releasing a tape of a plane hitting the building wouldnt be because of security purposes.  They have already released 1 distorted video where you cannot make out what hit the building, so why not release a nice clear one, that way all the conspiracy people will stop?  They dont want to show the videos because you will see that it was a missle hitting the penatgon, not a plane.  Amazing how the plane hit the spot on the pentagon where it was geting worked on, simply amazing.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2008 - 12:35 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by JEFFMARKETCAP:

    And if there is film of the plane hitting the Pentagon, the government would not release for security purposes.
    ???
     
    Security purposes??  Like what?  Just show the video.  Not gonna breach any security.  Thats BS.  There were lots of cameras that would have show a plane actually hitting the pentagon.  The FBI was at gas stations and other places that had cameras and confiscated all tapes pronto.

     

     exactly

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    Quote Originally Posted by JEFFMARKETCAP:

    And if there is film of the plane hitting the Pentagon, the government would not release for security purposes.
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    Security purposes??  Like what?  Just show the video.  Not gonna breach any security.  Thats BS.  There were lots of cameras that would have show a plane actually hitting the pentagon.  The FBI was at gas stations and other places that had cameras and confiscated all tapes pronto.

     

     exactly

     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2008 - 12:38 PM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by Obe1Kanobe:

    I would hope that you understand that the Pentagon is clearly a high security/high clearance building. It is without question one of the most important government buildings in the nation.

    You ask who would be filming the Pentagon at nine in the morning.  The easy answer is the Pentagon. They have hundreds of cameras capturing every motion, both in and around the building.

    Another easy answer is either the hotel, gas station, or the Virginia Department of Transportation that sit right across from the Pentagon. The same places that the government, by its own admission, had clear documentation of what happened to the Pentagon on 9/11. The government has also said by its own admission, that they confiscated the security tapes, and the tapes are now placed under the highest government clearance. All requests to view these tapes have been repeatedly denied. You will have to do very little research to find this out. It is openly admitted. Partial footage from the gas station and the hotel has been released (Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act) but neither capture the impact. It is common knowledge that the videos that were released skip frames and have time lapses. Hmmmm….wonder why.

    The question you should be asking yourself is why would the government not want you to see what happened to the Pentagon on 9/11? Why would they not just show the tape and prove that a plane crashed into one of its sides? This would in return squash some of the conspiracies.

    The truth is the government only allows you to know what they want you to know.  

    I would advise you to stop watching television that the government controls and regulates. You will never hear this information on CNN, Fox News, MSNBS or the others. Read a couple books on the subject and I guarantee you that you will feel different about the so called government that protects you.  I’m not trying to be an ass I am just helping you understand that severity of the situation.

     

      nicely put.   it funny how people think that people are conspiracy nuts because they dont believe every word the govt tells us.  It would be nice to believe our govt, if they told the truth about things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obe1Kanobe:

    I would hope that you understand that the Pentagon is clearly a high security/high clearance building. It is without question one of the most important government buildings in the nation.

    You ask who would be filming the Pentagon at nine in the morning.  The easy answer is the Pentagon. They have hundreds of cameras capturing every motion, both in and around the building.

    Another easy answer is either the hotel, gas station, or the Virginia Department of Transportation that sit right across from the Pentagon. The same places that the government, by its own admission, had clear documentation of what happened to the Pentagon on 9/11. The government has also said by its own admission, that they confiscated the security tapes, and the tapes are now placed under the highest government clearance. All requests to view these tapes have been repeatedly denied. You will have to do very little research to find this out. It is openly admitted. Partial footage from the gas station and the hotel has been released (Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act) but neither capture the impact. It is common knowledge that the videos that were released skip frames and have time lapses. Hmmmm….wonder why.

    The question you should be asking yourself is why would the government not want you to see what happened to the Pentagon on 9/11? Why would they not just show the tape and prove that a plane crashed into one of its sides? This would in return squash some of the conspiracies.

    The truth is the government only allows you to know what they want you to know.  

    I would advise you to stop watching television that the government controls and regulates. You will never hear this information on CNN, Fox News, MSNBS or the others. Read a couple books on the subject and I guarantee you that you will feel different about the so called government that protects you.  I’m not trying to be an ass I am just helping you understand that severity of the situation.

     

      nicely put.   it funny how people think that people are conspiracy nuts because they dont believe every word the govt tells us.  It would be nice to believe our govt, if they told the truth about things.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2008 - 12:48 PM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by JGROMACK:

    first off, no way could oswald get off those shots with that gun with the time giving.
     
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    * The Zapruder film establishes that Oswald had about 8 to 8.6 seconds to get off three shots, with about 3 seconds between shots 1 and 2 and five more seconds to the final head shot.

    Ever been deer hunting?  I've gotten off 3 shots in less then HALF THIS TIME and shot a deer dead while on the run from 50-75 yards.  And I know many others who have done the same.  Is it easy?  No.  Is it impossible?  Not even close. 

    Read "Case Closed" unless you don't like forensic facts that actually provide an explanation for what happened (including EVERY single injury and bullet mark that was ever discovered).  If you prefer to keep you head in the sand, so be it. 

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    first off, no way could oswald get off those shots with that gun with the time giving.
     
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    * The Zapruder film establishes that Oswald had about 8 to 8.6 seconds to get off three shots, with about 3 seconds between shots 1 and 2 and five more seconds to the final head shot.

    Ever been deer hunting?  I've gotten off 3 shots in less then HALF THIS TIME and shot a deer dead while on the run from 50-75 yards.  And I know many others who have done the same.  Is it easy?  No.  Is it impossible?  Not even close. 

    Read "Case Closed" unless you don't like forensic facts that actually provide an explanation for what happened (including EVERY single injury and bullet mark that was ever discovered).  If you prefer to keep you head in the sand, so be it. 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2008 - 1:18 PM ET #56

    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    * The Zapruder film establishes that Oswald had about 8 to 8.6 seconds to get off three shots, with about 3 seconds between shots 1 and 2 and five more seconds to the final head shot.

    Ever been deer hunting?  I've gotten off 3 shots in less then HALF THIS TIME and shot a deer dead while on the run from 50-75 yards.  And I know many others who have done the same.  Is it easy?  No.  Is it impossible?  Not even close. 

    Read "Case Closed" unless you don't like forensic facts that actually provide an explanation for what happened (including EVERY single injury and bullet mark that was ever discovered).  If you prefer to keep you head in the sand, so be it. 

     

    first off am assuming you were using a shot gun while shooting the deer and not the type of rifle oswald was using, which am sure you wouldnt have gotton off 3 shots with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    * The Zapruder film establishes that Oswald had about 8 to 8.6 seconds to get off three shots, with about 3 seconds between shots 1 and 2 and five more seconds to the final head shot.

    Ever been deer hunting?  I've gotten off 3 shots in less then HALF THIS TIME and shot a deer dead while on the run from 50-75 yards.  And I know many others who have done the same.  Is it easy?  No.  Is it impossible?  Not even close. 

    Read "Case Closed" unless you don't like forensic facts that actually provide an explanation for what happened (including EVERY single injury and bullet mark that was ever discovered).  If you prefer to keep you head in the sand, so be it. 

     

    first off am assuming you were using a shot gun while shooting the deer and not the type of rifle oswald was using, which am sure you wouldnt have gotton off 3 shots with.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2008 - 2:05 PM ET #58

    Bad Guy #1 "...so after we take out the Towers, we'll send a missile into the Pentagon"

    Bad Guy#2: "how we will explain a missile hitting the Pentagon"?

    Bad Guy #1 "we'll just tell them it was a plane"

    Bad Guy #2 "what about the guys at Covers.com ... they're a clever lot, won't they ask for some sort of proof"?

    Bad Guy #1 "I dunno ... hmmm ... I got it! We'll just tell them that there is only one grainy video that can be released, and we'll use our latest version of photoshop to make it look real ... this is going to be sooooo cool"!

    Bad Guy #2 (turning to the others who would be absolutely neccessary to pull off this caper) "Hey, bad guys #'s 3 through 58,874, as we proceed with this plan, make sure that not one of you tells anyone else of our diabolical plot ... don't tell your friends in the Pentagon which we will blow up with the missile, don't tell your loved ones who will burn in the Towers ... and whatever you do, don't you dare become an American Hero, and legendary figure for all eternity by blowing the whistle on our little scheme, and in doing so become absurdly wealthy beyond your wildest dreams ... Okay?

    Bad Guys #3 through 58,874: (in unison) "Okay!!!" 

     

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    Bad Guy #1 "...so after we take out the Towers, we'll send a missile into the Pentagon"

    Bad Guy#2: "how we will explain a missile hitting the Pentagon"?

    Bad Guy #1 "we'll just tell them it was a plane"

    Bad Guy #2 "what about the guys at Covers.com ... they're a clever lot, won't they ask for some sort of proof"?

    Bad Guy #1 "I dunno ... hmmm ... I got it! We'll just tell them that there is only one grainy video that can be released, and we'll use our latest version of photoshop to make it look real ... this is going to be sooooo cool"!

    Bad Guy #2 (turning to the others who would be absolutely neccessary to pull off this caper) "Hey, bad guys #'s 3 through 58,874, as we proceed with this plan, make sure that not one of you tells anyone else of our diabolical plot ... don't tell your friends in the Pentagon which we will blow up with the missile, don't tell your loved ones who will burn in the Towers ... and whatever you do, don't you dare become an American Hero, and legendary figure for all eternity by blowing the whistle on our little scheme, and in doing so become absurdly wealthy beyond your wildest dreams ... Okay?

    Bad Guys #3 through 58,874: (in unison) "Okay!!!" 

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

    Bad Guy #1 "...so after we take out the Towers, we'll send a missile into the Pentagon"

    Bad Guy#2: "how we will explain a missile hitting the Pentagon"?

    Bad Guy #1 "we'll just tell them it was a plane"

    Bad Guy #2 "what about the guys at Covers.com ... they're a clever lot, won't they ask for some sort of proof"?

    Bad Guy #1 "I dunno ... hmmm ... I got it! We'll just tell them that there is only one grainy video that can be released, and we'll use our latest version of photoshop to make it look real ... this is going to be sooooo cool"!

    Bad Guy #2 (turning to the others who would be absolutely neccessary to pull off this caper) "Hey, bad guys #'s 3 through 58,874, as we proceed with this plan, make sure that not one of you tells anyone else of our diabolical plot ... don't tell your friends in the Pentagon which we will blow up with the missile, don't tell your loved ones who will burn in the Towers ... and whatever you do, don't you dare become an American Hero, and legendary figure for all eternity by blowing the whistle on our little scheme, and in doing so become absurdly wealthy beyond your wildest dreams ... Okay?

    Bad Guys #3 through 58,874: (in unison) "Okay!!!" 

     

     

    lmfaoooooooooo you go right ahead on believing what the govt tells you.  Our govt depends on sheep like you.  If you think the people running this world cant pull off such a feat, you really dont know anything about this world.   Its funny how people think because there has to be lots of people involved in something like that, then it would have been leaked out by somebody talking.  Thats so far from the truth.  Think about this, there has been tons and tons of people who have worked at area 51 thru the years, yet we know as little about this place today as we did 50 years ago. You would think after all these years somebody would have shown some pictures of what really goes there, but it hasnt happened.  Sorry to burst your bubble but conspiracies can be done with lots of people involved and just because more then one person is involved, that doesnt mean somebody has to talk.  People carrying out stuff like this are well discplined and carry out orders to a tee, and they never talk.  So keep living in your make believe world, where you think things like this could never happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Jorgan:

    Bad Guy #1 "...so after we take out the Towers, we'll send a missile into the Pentagon"

    Bad Guy#2: "how we will explain a missile hitting the Pentagon"?

    Bad Guy #1 "we'll just tell them it was a plane"

    Bad Guy #2 "what about the guys at Covers.com ... they're a clever lot, won't they ask for some sort of proof"?

    Bad Guy #1 "I dunno ... hmmm ... I got it! We'll just tell them that there is only one grainy video that can be released, and we'll use our latest version of photoshop to make it look real ... this is going to be sooooo cool"!

    Bad Guy #2 (turning to the others who would be absolutely neccessary to pull off this caper) "Hey, bad guys #'s 3 through 58,874, as we proceed with this plan, make sure that not one of you tells anyone else of our diabolical plot ... don't tell your friends in the Pentagon which we will blow up with the missile, don't tell your loved ones who will burn in the Towers ... and whatever you do, don't you dare become an American Hero, and legendary figure for all eternity by blowing the whistle on our little scheme, and in doing so become absurdly wealthy beyond your wildest dreams ... Okay?

    Bad Guys #3 through 58,874: (in unison) "Okay!!!" 

     

     

    lmfaoooooooooo you go right ahead on believing what the govt tells you.  Our govt depends on sheep like you.  If you think the people running this world cant pull off such a feat, you really dont know anything about this world.   Its funny how people think because there has to be lots of people involved in something like that, then it would have been leaked out by somebody talking.  Thats so far from the truth.  Think about this, there has been tons and tons of people who have worked at area 51 thru the years, yet we know as little about this place today as we did 50 years ago. You would think after all these years somebody would have shown some pictures of what really goes there, but it hasnt happened.  Sorry to burst your bubble but conspiracies can be done with lots of people involved and just because more then one person is involved, that doesnt mean somebody has to talk.  People carrying out stuff like this are well discplined and carry out orders to a tee, and they never talk.  So keep living in your make believe world, where you think things like this could never happen.

     
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    first off am assuming you were using a shot gun while shooting the deer and not the type of rifle oswald was using, which am sure you wouldnt have gotton off 3 shots with.

    I shoot a Winchester bolt action .270....not that different of a rifle.

    And if you don't think it can be done, read this:

    https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo/jfk8/mc.htm

    Also, Oswald had scored a 191 on his latest rifle test in the Marines.  That means he could hit a 10" target 8 out of 10 times from 200 yards. 

    He may have gotten a bit lucky, but there is no doubt it was possible. 

    Stop reading the black helicopter books and try out some facts.

      https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/oswald/interviews/posner.html

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    first off am assuming you were using a shot gun while shooting the deer and not the type of rifle oswald was using, which am sure you wouldnt have gotton off 3 shots with.

    I shoot a Winchester bolt action .270....not that different of a rifle.

    And if you don't think it can be done, read this:

    https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo/jfk8/mc.htm

    Also, Oswald had scored a 191 on his latest rifle test in the Marines.  That means he could hit a 10" target 8 out of 10 times from 200 yards. 

    He may have gotten a bit lucky, but there is no doubt it was possible. 

    Stop reading the black helicopter books and try out some facts.

      https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/oswald/interviews/posner.html

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by lemonsky:

    I remember reading this Popular Mechanics article from several years ago debunking the lamebrained claims of all the 9/11 conspiracists, so hopefully, you all will find it both enlightening and edifying.

    Alas, I doubt many of you 9/11 "truthers" will.

    The abysmal depths of your paranoia and egomania will see to it.

    I don't know if it's from an innate disjunction of your brain's central and autonomic systems or a reaction to lifelong marginalization in order to make yourself feel superior to the vox populi.

    My view is you can not employ the scientific method to defend your arguments, then they're all unadulterated bullshit.

    Of course, many of the doubters believe that thousands of the most brilliant scientists (whether it's in thrashing 9/11 myths, confirming the perils of climate change) are in on this conspiracy to hornswoggle the world in order to enrich themselves and attain quality poontang.

    what a joke, 1,000's of people are dead, whos watching the pentagon at 9am, well wall-mart as about 15 cameras watching it 24/7. theres undesputable evidance that scientificly the buildings were blown up. why dont you do i little reasearce before telling a fire fighter how buildings burn, you dont have the respect for those who got killed to watch the vidoes, so keep typing over a gut feeling that helps you sleep at night, parinoa? your uneducated, you have the chance to discuss a very important topic and you choose to waste all of our time, watch the video and then battle your opinion with us. "you cant handle the truth"- if you could you would have alredy watched the links provided byt he people that have a quest for the truth, if we are wrong then tell us, but back it up

    also i've red that verson of popual mechanics it only touches on the bomb under the plane, they sent it to a well know right wing professor and he said"um its becuase of reflection of light" wow really scintific, they didnt touch anything in the documentrys its was so funny to read it, they had a chance to answer questions and they faild to

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    I remember reading this Popular Mechanics article from several years ago debunking the lamebrained claims of all the 9/11 conspiracists, so hopefully, you all will find it both enlightening and edifying.

    Alas, I doubt many of you 9/11 "truthers" will.

    The abysmal depths of your paranoia and egomania will see to it.

    I don't know if it's from an innate disjunction of your brain's central and autonomic systems or a reaction to lifelong marginalization in order to make yourself feel superior to the vox populi.

    My view is you can not employ the scientific method to defend your arguments, then they're all unadulterated bullshit.

    Of course, many of the doubters believe that thousands of the most brilliant scientists (whether it's in thrashing 9/11 myths, confirming the perils of climate change) are in on this conspiracy to hornswoggle the world in order to enrich themselves and attain quality poontang.

    what a joke, 1,000's of people are dead, whos watching the pentagon at 9am, well wall-mart as about 15 cameras watching it 24/7. theres undesputable evidance that scientificly the buildings were blown up. why dont you do i little reasearce before telling a fire fighter how buildings burn, you dont have the respect for those who got killed to watch the vidoes, so keep typing over a gut feeling that helps you sleep at night, parinoa? your uneducated, you have the chance to discuss a very important topic and you choose to waste all of our time, watch the video and then battle your opinion with us. "you cant handle the truth"- if you could you would have alredy watched the links provided byt he people that have a quest for the truth, if we are wrong then tell us, but back it up

    also i've red that verson of popual mechanics it only touches on the bomb under the plane, they sent it to a well know right wing professor and he said"um its becuase of reflection of light" wow really scintific, they didnt touch anything in the documentrys its was so funny to read it, they had a chance to answer questions and they faild to

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatToby:

    what a joke, 1,000's of people are dead, whos watching the pentagon at 9am, well wall-mart as about 15 cameras watching it 24/7. theres undesputable evidance that scientificly the buildings were blown up. why dont you do i little reasearce before telling a fire fighter how buildings burn, you dont have the respect for those who got killed to watch the vidoes, so keep typing over a gut feeling that helps you sleep at night, parinoa? your uneducated, you have the chance to discuss a very important topic and you choose to waste all of our time, watch the video and then battle your opinion with us. "you cant handle the truth"- if you could you would have alredy watched the links provided byt he people that have a quest for the truth, if we are wrong then tell us, but back it up

    also i've red that verson of popual mechanics it only touches on the bomb under the plane, they sent it to a well know right wing professor and he said"um its becuase of reflection of light" wow really scintific, they didnt touch anything in the documentrys its was so funny to read it, they had a chance to answer questions and they faild to

     

    Toby from one firefigher to another, very well said

    The reason we never get to the truth is because the govt always puts up roadblocks and all the people who try getting the truth, they are called quacks with conspiracy theories. If the govt says that enough times, people end up believing that and thus agree that the people really trying to expose the truth are whack jobs.

    Amazing how there has been thousands and thousands of plane crashes thru the years and theres always enough parts to piece together the planes, but the plane that hit the penatgon and the one that crashed in PA there was only small little pieces.  I guess most people cant see that.

     

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    what a joke, 1,000's of people are dead, whos watching the pentagon at 9am, well wall-mart as about 15 cameras watching it 24/7. theres undesputable evidance that scientificly the buildings were blown up. why dont you do i little reasearce before telling a fire fighter how buildings burn, you dont have the respect for those who got killed to watch the vidoes, so keep typing over a gut feeling that helps you sleep at night, parinoa? your uneducated, you have the chance to discuss a very important topic and you choose to waste all of our time, watch the video and then battle your opinion with us. "you cant handle the truth"- if you could you would have alredy watched the links provided byt he people that have a quest for the truth, if we are wrong then tell us, but back it up

    also i've red that verson of popual mechanics it only touches on the bomb under the plane, they sent it to a well know right wing professor and he said"um its becuase of reflection of light" wow really scintific, they didnt touch anything in the documentrys its was so funny to read it, they had a chance to answer questions and they faild to

     

    Toby from one firefigher to another, very well said

    The reason we never get to the truth is because the govt always puts up roadblocks and all the people who try getting the truth, they are called quacks with conspiracy theories. If the govt says that enough times, people end up believing that and thus agree that the people really trying to expose the truth are whack jobs.

    Amazing how there has been thousands and thousands of plane crashes thru the years and theres always enough parts to piece together the planes, but the plane that hit the penatgon and the one that crashed in PA there was only small little pieces.  I guess most people cant see that.

     

    cd

     
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    Like i said up above, there has been high rise buildings that burned for days and they didnt collapse.
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    its just amazing the crap job the government did on covering it up, all the evidence is out now, people dont want to think that thier government would do stuff like this, i dont blame them, but i feel we have a responsiblity look into stuff like this
     
    i've never had someone that had the knowlege i had on the situation, that was able to sit down and even try to explain to me that the evidance is BS. because its undisputable 
     
     
     
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    its just amazing the crap job the government did on covering it up, all the evidence is out now, people dont want to think that thier government would do stuff like this, i dont blame them, but i feel we have a responsiblity look into stuff like this
     
    i've never had someone that had the knowlege i had on the situation, that was able to sit down and even try to explain to me that the evidance is BS. because its undisputable 
     
     
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatToby:

    what a joke, 1,000's of people are dead, whos watching the pentagon at 9am, well wall-mart as about 15 cameras watching it 24/7. theres undesputable evidance that scientificly the buildings were blown up. why dont you do i little reasearce before telling a fire fighter how buildings burn, you dont have the respect for those who got killed to watch the vidoes, so keep typing over a gut feeling that helps you sleep at night, parinoa? your uneducated, you have the chance to discuss a very important topic and you choose to waste all of our time, watch the video and then battle your opinion with us. "you cant handle the truth"- if you could you would have alredy watched the links provided byt he people that have a quest for the truth, if we are wrong then tell us, but back it up

    also i've red that verson of popual mechanics it only touches on the bomb under the plane, they sent it to a well know right wing professor and he said"um its becuase of reflection of light" wow really scintific, they didnt touch anything in the documentrys its was so funny to read it, they had a chance to answer questions and they faild to

    Not sure you should be calling anyone "uneducated".

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    what a joke, 1,000's of people are dead, whos watching the pentagon at 9am, well wall-mart as about 15 cameras watching it 24/7. theres undesputable evidance that scientificly the buildings were blown up. why dont you do i little reasearce before telling a fire fighter how buildings burn, you dont have the respect for those who got killed to watch the vidoes, so keep typing over a gut feeling that helps you sleep at night, parinoa? your uneducated, you have the chance to discuss a very important topic and you choose to waste all of our time, watch the video and then battle your opinion with us. "you cant handle the truth"- if you could you would have alredy watched the links provided byt he people that have a quest for the truth, if we are wrong then tell us, but back it up

    also i've red that verson of popual mechanics it only touches on the bomb under the plane, they sent it to a well know right wing professor and he said"um its becuase of reflection of light" wow really scintific, they didnt touch anything in the documentrys its was so funny to read it, they had a chance to answer questions and they faild to

    Not sure you should be calling anyone "uneducated".

     
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    shotgun?

    Yeah..........some people used to use slugs or heavy shot in a shotgun to hunt deer with.

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    shotgun?

    Yeah..........some people used to use slugs or heavy shot in a shotgun to hunt deer with.

     
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    shotgun?

    That's what is hilarious....he doesn't even know the difference between a shotgun and a rifle, but he's sure that you can't fire a rifle like Oswalt had 3 times in 8+ seconds.  He reads that it's "not possible" somewhere and that's it.  READ THE ACTUAL STUDIES where they simulated this type of thing 

    Just like people who say Kennedy's head snapped back and therefore he must have been shot from the front.  NOT.  If you'd actually read about the forensics, you'd see that the jerking back of the head is absolutely consistent with a shot from behind.

    I had an open mind when I read Case Closed.  But now I laugh at the conspiracy theories.....none of them ever try to explain the forensics.  Until they do, then it's  as far as I'm concerned. 

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    shotgun?

    That's what is hilarious....he doesn't even know the difference between a shotgun and a rifle, but he's sure that you can't fire a rifle like Oswalt had 3 times in 8+ seconds.  He reads that it's "not possible" somewhere and that's it.  READ THE ACTUAL STUDIES where they simulated this type of thing 

    Just like people who say Kennedy's head snapped back and therefore he must have been shot from the front.  NOT.  If you'd actually read about the forensics, you'd see that the jerking back of the head is absolutely consistent with a shot from behind.

    I had an open mind when I read Case Closed.  But now I laugh at the conspiracy theories.....none of them ever try to explain the forensics.  Until they do, then it's  as far as I'm concerned. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    Not sure you should be calling anyone "uneducated".

    your right i might have got a little worked up and crossed the line

    i appologize

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    Not sure you should be calling anyone "uneducated".

    your right i might have got a little worked up and crossed the line

    i appologize

     
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    He was killed for wanting to abolish the federal reserve same as Andrew Jackson, the fed reserve is just a private bank that prints us our money than charges us interest for it, thats the real criminals, I know he signed a law or something to get rid of the fed and the first thing Johnson did as new president on air force one during that time was to sign a law getting rid of kennedy's law to get rid of the federal reseve. It's not our governement thats F'ing us is the international bankers who run the show
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    He was killed for wanting to abolish the federal reserve same as Andrew Jackson, the fed reserve is just a private bank that prints us our money than charges us interest for it, thats the real criminals, I know he signed a law or something to get rid of the fed and the first thing Johnson did as new president on air force one during that time was to sign a law getting rid of kennedy's law to get rid of the federal reseve. It's not our governement thats F'ing us is the international bankers who run the show
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    That's what is hilarious....he doesn't even know the difference between a shotgun and a rifle, but he's sure that you can't fire a rifle like Oswalt had 3 times in 8+ seconds.  He reads that it's "not possible" somewhere and that's it.  READ THE ACTUAL STUDIES where they simulated this type of thing 

    Just like people who say Kennedy's head snapped back and therefore he must have been shot from the front.  NOT.  If you'd actually read about the forensics, you'd see that the jerking back of the head is absolutely consistent with a shot from behind.

    I had an open mind when I read Case Closed.  But now I laugh at the conspiracy theories.....none of them ever try to explain the forensics.  Until they do, then it's  as far as I'm concerned. 

     

    Why the hell would you say i dont know the difference between a shotgun and a rifle.  I was just asking you if it was a shotgun you were hunting with, because that is what most people here in ny use.  Also did i say it couldnt be done? No.   Do i think oswald was able to pull it off?  no.  Not under those conditions.  Way to much pressure.   But thats just my opinion. 

    Remember all those people who simulated firing the rifle again, did it under perfect conditions with no pressure of shooting the prez, but hey believe whatever you want,thats your God given right.

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    That's what is hilarious....he doesn't even know the difference between a shotgun and a rifle, but he's sure that you can't fire a rifle like Oswalt had 3 times in 8+ seconds.  He reads that it's "not possible" somewhere and that's it.  READ THE ACTUAL STUDIES where they simulated this type of thing 

    Just like people who say Kennedy's head snapped back and therefore he must have been shot from the front.  NOT.  If you'd actually read about the forensics, you'd see that the jerking back of the head is absolutely consistent with a shot from behind.

    I had an open mind when I read Case Closed.  But now I laugh at the conspiracy theories.....none of them ever try to explain the forensics.  Until they do, then it's  as far as I'm concerned. 

     

    Why the hell would you say i dont know the difference between a shotgun and a rifle.  I was just asking you if it was a shotgun you were hunting with, because that is what most people here in ny use.  Also did i say it couldnt be done? No.   Do i think oswald was able to pull it off?  no.  Not under those conditions.  Way to much pressure.   But thats just my opinion. 

    Remember all those people who simulated firing the rifle again, did it under perfect conditions with no pressure of shooting the prez, but hey believe whatever you want,thats your God given right.

     
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    shotgun?

     

    yeah genius, people actually go deer hunting with shotguns.  I dont know what planet you live on, but it really does take place.

     

    When i asked him if he was comparing firing 3 shots off while deer hunting, i was assuming he was using a shotgun. 

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    yeah genius, people actually go deer hunting with shotguns.  I dont know what planet you live on, but it really does take place.

     

    When i asked him if he was comparing firing 3 shots off while deer hunting, i was assuming he was using a shotgun. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by cd329:

    Like i said up above, there has been high rise buildings that burned for days and they didnt collapse.

    Were there thousands of gallons of jet fuel in those fires? Around 11,489 gal (43,490 l) in each plane.
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    Like i said up above, there has been high rise buildings that burned for days and they didnt collapse.

    Were there thousands of gallons of jet fuel in those fires? Around 11,489 gal (43,490 l) in each plane.
     
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    Were there thousands of gallons of jet fuel in those fires? Around 11,489 gal (43,490 l) in each plane.

     

    Sorry but the towers were designed to withstand a plane crashing into them, do a little research, its all out there for your reading.  If the planes weight would have been the cause of the collapse, it would have taken longer for it to happen.

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    Were there thousands of gallons of jet fuel in those fires? Around 11,489 gal (43,490 l) in each plane.

     

    Sorry but the towers were designed to withstand a plane crashing into them, do a little research, its all out there for your reading.  If the planes weight would have been the cause of the collapse, it would have taken longer for it to happen.

     
     
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    Toby , I wish I could prove you wrong about the towers and bldg #7 but I can't.
    To be Patriotic you must comply and not ask such questions.
    To support the troops you must support the wars.etc. etc.
    Insert sarcasm here.
     
     
    JFK= google executive order 11110 for a quick read on some facts just prior to his death/murder.
     
    Jet fuel took down the towers and bldg #7? Insert more sarcasm here.
     
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    To be Patriotic you must comply and not ask such questions.
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