1) i've never fought i figher that had a 737 in it, buldings fall, collapes floor by floor, peice by piece and very fast, parts break off, and theres for the most part not strraight down collapes to the ground floor, i never fought a fier with a 737 in it, i might be wrong, i've admited that.
2) the high jackers(7) a lot of them are pilots, 20/20 or dateline or something mentioned one of them, people loook a like, simple mistake are possible.
the thing that makes me think a plane hit the pentagon is
1) the telophone poles that are ripped out of the ground, people say there facing the wrong way but i dont but that.
2 the people that were on that plane, people say that the plane could have crashed into the ocean but its BS because there would have been satilights that saw a plane crash in the ocean
but what im not sure about....
1) how a 737 fit into the 12ft hole of the pentagon
2) how it didnt skid into it
3) why it didnt blow the cars off the road(737 flying that low)
4) we cant see what hit it
Toby, if a plane hit the penatgon, all they got to do is show a clear video of a plane heading toward the building, hell they dont even have to show it hitting the building. Just show it coming towards the building and the conspiracy on this will be over. Think about this, you cant even fly a plane near the pentagon or whitehouse, yet the pentagon wasnt able to see a friggin 737 coming at them. Those buildings have so much protection, when you break the airspace barrier around them, that plane would have been nailed before it reached the pentagon. Reason it wasnt, is because it wasnt a plane.
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Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatToby:
sorry i dont spell very well veteran
1) i've never fought i figher that had a 737 in it, buldings fall, collapes floor by floor, peice by piece and very fast, parts break off, and theres for the most part not strraight down collapes to the ground floor, i never fought a fier with a 737 in it, i might be wrong, i've admited that.
2) the high jackers(7) a lot of them are pilots, 20/20 or dateline or something mentioned one of them, people loook a like, simple mistake are possible.
the thing that makes me think a plane hit the pentagon is
1) the telophone poles that are ripped out of the ground, people say there facing the wrong way but i dont but that.
2 the people that were on that plane, people say that the plane could have crashed into the ocean but its BS because there would have been satilights that saw a plane crash in the ocean
but what im not sure about....
1) how a 737 fit into the 12ft hole of the pentagon
2) how it didnt skid into it
3) why it didnt blow the cars off the road(737 flying that low)
4) we cant see what hit it
Toby, if a plane hit the penatgon, all they got to do is show a clear video of a plane heading toward the building, hell they dont even have to show it hitting the building. Just show it coming towards the building and the conspiracy on this will be over. Think about this, you cant even fly a plane near the pentagon or whitehouse, yet the pentagon wasnt able to see a friggin 737 coming at them. Those buildings have so much protection, when you break the airspace barrier around them, that plane would have been nailed before it reached the pentagon. Reason it wasnt, is because it wasnt a plane.
Toby, if a plane hit the penatgon, all they got to do is show a clear video of a plane heading toward the building, hell they dont even have to show it hitting the building. Just show it coming towards the building and the conspiracy on this will be over. Think about this, you cant even fly a plane near the pentagon or whitehouse, yet the pentagon wasnt able to see a friggin 737 coming at them. Those buildings have so much protection, when you break the airspace barrier around them, that plane would have been nailed before it reached the pentagon. Reason it wasnt, is because it wasnt a plane.
trust me i know, planes fly off coase for 80 min and they didnt send f-16 after them? after 10 min is the rule, i belive there was explosives on the plan that crashed in PA as well, im not saying the govenment put them there, but when you look at the crash, it didnt look like a normal plane crash, the plane was for the most part gone, burned up, some how, theres lots of stuff, i cant prove it, a single pic of a plane hitting the pentagon would be helpful
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:
Toby, if a plane hit the penatgon, all they got to do is show a clear video of a plane heading toward the building, hell they dont even have to show it hitting the building. Just show it coming towards the building and the conspiracy on this will be over. Think about this, you cant even fly a plane near the pentagon or whitehouse, yet the pentagon wasnt able to see a friggin 737 coming at them. Those buildings have so much protection, when you break the airspace barrier around them, that plane would have been nailed before it reached the pentagon. Reason it wasnt, is because it wasnt a plane.
trust me i know, planes fly off coase for 80 min and they didnt send f-16 after them? after 10 min is the rule, i belive there was explosives on the plan that crashed in PA as well, im not saying the govenment put them there, but when you look at the crash, it didnt look like a normal plane crash, the plane was for the most part gone, burned up, some how, theres lots of stuff, i cant prove it, a single pic of a plane hitting the pentagon would be helpful
The plane in PA went nose down into a field....the wreckage reduced to tiny pieces. Perhaps you missed the giant crater shown on TV. Or perhaps EVERY single one of the eyewitnesses in this article are wrong and you are right.
It absolutely amazes me how people make up their mind what happened and then look for things to support their view and completely dismiss documented facts and eyewitness accounts that don't support their theory.
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Actually....I don't care what your so-called eye witnesses said....Yeah I saw the giant man-made crater with nothing else around but some puffs of smoke.
I see you chose only #4 to give a lame answer along with your trademark emoticons ........... and......plus
Care to explain the others or do you like to pick and choose which one helps you insult anyone with an opinion other than your own ?
And of course you come out with your usual....{ It absolutely amazes me }
If you are so amazed as you always seem to be of others with opinions other than your own.....Why does such a superb mind like yourself bother slumming at COVERS ?
Personally I think Vanzack's comments of how smart he thinks you are ....[ because you agree with everything he has ever said ] have gone to your head.
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Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
4 Where is the wreckage at the pentagon and PA. ?
The plane in PA went nose down into a field....the wreckage reduced to tiny pieces. Perhaps you missed the giant crater shown on TV. Or perhaps EVERY single one of the eyewitnesses in this article are wrong and you are right.
It absolutely amazes me how people make up their mind what happened and then look for things to support their view and completely dismiss documented facts and eyewitness accounts that don't support their theory.
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Actually....I don't care what your so-called eye witnesses said....Yeah I saw the giant man-made crater with nothing else around but some puffs of smoke.
I see you chose only #4 to give a lame answer along with your trademark emoticons ........... and......plus
Care to explain the others or do you like to pick and choose which one helps you insult anyone with an opinion other than your own ?
And of course you come out with your usual....{ It absolutely amazes me }
If you are so amazed as you always seem to be of others with opinions other than your own.....Why does such a superb mind like yourself bother slumming at COVERS ?
Personally I think Vanzack's comments of how smart he thinks you are ....[ because you agree with everything he has ever said ] have gone to your head.
Wow, how long were you waiting for me to respond? Sitting by your comp all weekend?
Unlike you some people have lives.
Your questions are foolish! How could the pieces of shit fly a plane into the building? You guys make me sick. LoL.
Please post more about your theories of 9/11 . . . We need some laughs LoL . . .
FYI . .
There is no Tooth Fairy . . . sorry to break the bad news.
Also, I am not trying to change your opinions. You can believe what you want. There is always some morons out there in the world, I am not going to try to change your view points.
Like I said............I never expected to get any reasonable answers from you.....Thanks for not disappointing.
I would have responded sooner but went away for a week to beautiful northern Ontario.
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Quote Originally Posted by PayDaJuice:
Wow, how long were you waiting for me to respond? Sitting by your comp all weekend?
Unlike you some people have lives.
Your questions are foolish! How could the pieces of shit fly a plane into the building? You guys make me sick. LoL.
Please post more about your theories of 9/11 . . . We need some laughs LoL . . .
FYI . .
There is no Tooth Fairy . . . sorry to break the bad news.
Also, I am not trying to change your opinions. You can believe what you want. There is always some morons out there in the world, I am not going to try to change your view points.
Like I said............I never expected to get any reasonable answers from you.....Thanks for not disappointing.
I would have responded sooner but went away for a week to beautiful northern Ontario.
Toby, if a plane hit the penatgon, all they got to do is show a clear video of a plane heading toward the building, hell they dont even have to show it hitting the building. Just show it coming towards the building and the conspiracy on this will be over. Think about this, you cant even fly a plane near the pentagon or whitehouse, yet the pentagon wasnt able to see a friggin 737 coming at them. Those buildings have so much protection, when you break the airspace barrier around them, that plane would have been nailed before it reached the pentagon. Reason it wasnt, is because it wasnt a plane.
Ummmm the videotapes from the gas station AND the hotel HAVE BEEN RELEASED. They do not show anything to support either claim. However, there are plenty of photos that show plane parts all over the ground. There are also EYE WITNESS reports stating it was a plane...not one said it was anything else. It is probably better to develop opinions when you have taken in all the FACTS and not just by watching some video on youtube.
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:
Toby, if a plane hit the penatgon, all they got to do is show a clear video of a plane heading toward the building, hell they dont even have to show it hitting the building. Just show it coming towards the building and the conspiracy on this will be over. Think about this, you cant even fly a plane near the pentagon or whitehouse, yet the pentagon wasnt able to see a friggin 737 coming at them. Those buildings have so much protection, when you break the airspace barrier around them, that plane would have been nailed before it reached the pentagon. Reason it wasnt, is because it wasnt a plane.
Ummmm the videotapes from the gas station AND the hotel HAVE BEEN RELEASED. They do not show anything to support either claim. However, there are plenty of photos that show plane parts all over the ground. There are also EYE WITNESS reports stating it was a plane...not one said it was anything else. It is probably better to develop opinions when you have taken in all the FACTS and not just by watching some video on youtube.
Ummmm the videotapes from the gas station AND the hotel HAVE BEEN RELEASED. They do not show anything to support either claim. However, there are plenty of photos that show plane parts all over the ground. There are also EYE WITNESS reports stating it was a plane...not one said it was anything else. It is probably better to develop opinions when you have taken in all the FACTS and not just by watching some video on youtube.
How about the FACT that it is simply impossible to fly a plane that large that low at that level without hitting the ground first. ....let alone by a pilot that could barely fly a 2 seater.....But a missle could.
PLANE PARTS ??? A few pieces that were carried away in one hand ? And the huge rolls royce engines melted by the jet fuel yet they claimed to find the DNA of almost every passanger. C'MON.
And if you want to talk about EYEWITNESSES....How about all the firemen and police that reported all the explosions at the WTC just before they came down.....I've not seen anyone claim to see a plane hit the pentagon...probably because it didn't happen.
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Quote Originally Posted by tpjw44:
Ummmm the videotapes from the gas station AND the hotel HAVE BEEN RELEASED. They do not show anything to support either claim. However, there are plenty of photos that show plane parts all over the ground. There are also EYE WITNESS reports stating it was a plane...not one said it was anything else. It is probably better to develop opinions when you have taken in all the FACTS and not just by watching some video on youtube.
How about the FACT that it is simply impossible to fly a plane that large that low at that level without hitting the ground first. ....let alone by a pilot that could barely fly a 2 seater.....But a missle could.
PLANE PARTS ??? A few pieces that were carried away in one hand ? And the huge rolls royce engines melted by the jet fuel yet they claimed to find the DNA of almost every passanger. C'MON.
And if you want to talk about EYEWITNESSES....How about all the firemen and police that reported all the explosions at the WTC just before they came down.....I've not seen anyone claim to see a plane hit the pentagon...probably because it didn't happen.
How about the FACT that it is simply impossible to fly a plane that large that low at that level without hitting the ground first. ....let alone by a pilot that could barely fly a 2 seater.....But a missle could.
PLANE PARTS ??? A few pieces that were carried away in one hand ? And the huge rolls royce engines melted by the jet fuel yet they claimed to find the DNA of almost every passanger. C'MON.
And if you want to talk about EYEWITNESSES....How about all the firemen and police that reported all the explosions at the WTC just before they came down.....I've not seen anyone claim to see a plane hit the pentagon...probably because it didn't happen.
very well said some people will live their whole life believing every single thing the govt tells them to believe. I dont care what the govt says, no way a plane hit the pentagon. If people would use alittle common sense they would realize this also. On top of like you said these guys couldnt fly a 2 seater, but they were able to guide a jumbo jet into the building, yeah right. Also there is no way a plane would have even been able to get that close to the pentagon without being shot down by some high tech weapon. I will tell you what, if jumbo jets can crash into one of our most secure buildings in the country, then our enemies around the world would have no problems attacking all our most secure buildings. Whitehouse, pentagon, congress, fort knox, etc etc etc. You cant even get close to these buildings.
Lolllllllllll plane parts yeah okay. I think one person could have picked up all the parts they found.
Amazing how he throws up eyewitnesses, yet he says nothing about what the firefighters and police said, who are trained professionals and know what to look and listen for. I guess they all lied,lollllllllll.
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Quote Originally Posted by coldsnap55:
How about the FACT that it is simply impossible to fly a plane that large that low at that level without hitting the ground first. ....let alone by a pilot that could barely fly a 2 seater.....But a missle could.
PLANE PARTS ??? A few pieces that were carried away in one hand ? And the huge rolls royce engines melted by the jet fuel yet they claimed to find the DNA of almost every passanger. C'MON.
And if you want to talk about EYEWITNESSES....How about all the firemen and police that reported all the explosions at the WTC just before they came down.....I've not seen anyone claim to see a plane hit the pentagon...probably because it didn't happen.
very well said some people will live their whole life believing every single thing the govt tells them to believe. I dont care what the govt says, no way a plane hit the pentagon. If people would use alittle common sense they would realize this also. On top of like you said these guys couldnt fly a 2 seater, but they were able to guide a jumbo jet into the building, yeah right. Also there is no way a plane would have even been able to get that close to the pentagon without being shot down by some high tech weapon. I will tell you what, if jumbo jets can crash into one of our most secure buildings in the country, then our enemies around the world would have no problems attacking all our most secure buildings. Whitehouse, pentagon, congress, fort knox, etc etc etc. You cant even get close to these buildings.
Lolllllllllll plane parts yeah okay. I think one person could have picked up all the parts they found.
Amazing how he throws up eyewitnesses, yet he says nothing about what the firefighters and police said, who are trained professionals and know what to look and listen for. I guess they all lied,lollllllllll.
How about the FACT that it is simply impossible to fly a plane that large that low at that level without hitting the ground first. ....let alone by a pilot that could barely fly a 2 seater.....But a missle could.
PLANE PARTS ??? A few pieces that were carried away in one hand ? And the huge rolls royce engines melted by the jet fuel yet they claimed to find the DNA of almost every passanger. C'MON.
And if you want to talk about EYEWITNESSES....How about all the firemen and police that reported all the explosions at the WTC just before they came down.....I've not seen anyone claim to see a plane hit the pentagon...probably because it didn't happen.
lets not forget the 12ft hole in the pentagon that the 737 magically fit into, a lot of stuff can be explained, but not that.
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Quote Originally Posted by coldsnap55:
How about the FACT that it is simply impossible to fly a plane that large that low at that level without hitting the ground first. ....let alone by a pilot that could barely fly a 2 seater.....But a missle could.
PLANE PARTS ??? A few pieces that were carried away in one hand ? And the huge rolls royce engines melted by the jet fuel yet they claimed to find the DNA of almost every passanger. C'MON.
And if you want to talk about EYEWITNESSES....How about all the firemen and police that reported all the explosions at the WTC just before they came down.....I've not seen anyone claim to see a plane hit the pentagon...probably because it didn't happen.
lets not forget the 12ft hole in the pentagon that the 737 magically fit into, a lot of stuff can be explained, but not that.
lets not forget the 12ft hole in the pentagon that the 737 magically fit into, a lot of stuff can be explained, but not that.
Here you go....
FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.
Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."
The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide — not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.
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Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatToby:
lets not forget the 12ft hole in the pentagon that the 737 magically fit into, a lot of stuff can be explained, but not that.
Here you go....
FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.
Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."
The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide — not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.
very well said some people will live their whole life believing every single thing the govt tells them to believe. I dont care what the govt says, no way a plane hit the pentagon. If people would use alittle common sense they would realize this also. On top of like you said these guys couldnt fly a 2 seater, but they were able to guide a jumbo jet into the building, yeah right. Also there is no way a plane would have even been able to get that close to the pentagon without being shot down by some high tech weapon. I will tell you what, if jumbo jets can crash into one of our most secure buildings in the country, then our enemies around the world would have no problems attacking all our most secure buildings. Whitehouse, pentagon, congress, fort knox, etc etc etc. You cant even get close to these buildings.
Lolllllllllll plane parts yeah okay. I think one person could have picked up all the parts they found.
Amazing how he throws up eyewitnesses, yet he says nothing about what the firefighters and police said, who are trained professionals and know what to look and listen for. I guess they all lied,lollllllllll.
I didnt mention the firefighters in NYC cause we were talking about the PENTAGON. When are you guys going to stop taking a youtube video as gospel over the mountains of evidence out there? You don't think there would be things exploding (not bombs) in a building when a huge plane with jet fuel hits it? Watch the Naday brothers film...you can hear explosions well before the building fell. You want to laugh about my eye witnesses...why do the majority of those firefighters AGREE with the OFFICIAL explanation of how the towers came down? Why does NO structural engineer support the claims of conspiracy theories? Can you produce any record of ONE eyewitness that saw a missile strike the Pentagon? You watch these videos...that have all been discredited...and you choose to believe the LIMITED sample of evidence they provide. Do you know how many firefighters were disgusted with these videos because they totally misrepresented them?
I guess the photos and eyewitnesses that prove there was plane debris all over the lawn, road, and a third of a mile from the crash site were all a big lie. Maybe your "missle" carried plane debris with it and dropped it in all those places BEFORE it hit the Pentagon...that is very plausible. I guess the photos of the victims remains that were shown at the Moussaui trail also prove nothing to you. The remains of one of the passengers was found on the THIRD floor. I am sure you guys will ignore all this EVIDENCE and choose to believe the work of a small group of people.
It is actually quite disgusting that people are so lazy in their search for truth that they would disrespect the lives lost on that day.
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:
very well said some people will live their whole life believing every single thing the govt tells them to believe. I dont care what the govt says, no way a plane hit the pentagon. If people would use alittle common sense they would realize this also. On top of like you said these guys couldnt fly a 2 seater, but they were able to guide a jumbo jet into the building, yeah right. Also there is no way a plane would have even been able to get that close to the pentagon without being shot down by some high tech weapon. I will tell you what, if jumbo jets can crash into one of our most secure buildings in the country, then our enemies around the world would have no problems attacking all our most secure buildings. Whitehouse, pentagon, congress, fort knox, etc etc etc. You cant even get close to these buildings.
Lolllllllllll plane parts yeah okay. I think one person could have picked up all the parts they found.
Amazing how he throws up eyewitnesses, yet he says nothing about what the firefighters and police said, who are trained professionals and know what to look and listen for. I guess they all lied,lollllllllll.
I didnt mention the firefighters in NYC cause we were talking about the PENTAGON. When are you guys going to stop taking a youtube video as gospel over the mountains of evidence out there? You don't think there would be things exploding (not bombs) in a building when a huge plane with jet fuel hits it? Watch the Naday brothers film...you can hear explosions well before the building fell. You want to laugh about my eye witnesses...why do the majority of those firefighters AGREE with the OFFICIAL explanation of how the towers came down? Why does NO structural engineer support the claims of conspiracy theories? Can you produce any record of ONE eyewitness that saw a missile strike the Pentagon? You watch these videos...that have all been discredited...and you choose to believe the LIMITED sample of evidence they provide. Do you know how many firefighters were disgusted with these videos because they totally misrepresented them?
I guess the photos and eyewitnesses that prove there was plane debris all over the lawn, road, and a third of a mile from the crash site were all a big lie. Maybe your "missle" carried plane debris with it and dropped it in all those places BEFORE it hit the Pentagon...that is very plausible. I guess the photos of the victims remains that were shown at the Moussaui trail also prove nothing to you. The remains of one of the passengers was found on the THIRD floor. I am sure you guys will ignore all this EVIDENCE and choose to believe the work of a small group of people.
It is actually quite disgusting that people are so lazy in their search for truth that they would disrespect the lives lost on that day.
FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.
Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."
The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide — not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.
According to this report the pentagon was not hit by a plane or a missle.....Must have been a GLIDER because I dont see any mention of any engines.
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Quote Originally Posted by Grego:
Here you go....
FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.
Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."
The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide — not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.
According to this report the pentagon was not hit by a plane or a missle.....Must have been a GLIDER because I dont see any mention of any engines.
I didnt mention the firefighters in NYC cause we were talking about the PENTAGON. When are you guys going to stop taking a youtube video as gospel over the mountains of evidence out there? You don't think there would be things exploding (not bombs) in a building when a huge plane with jet fuel hits it? Watch the Naday brothers film...you can hear explosions well before the building fell. You want to laugh about my eye witnesses...why do the majority of those firefighters AGREE with the OFFICIAL explanation of how the towers came down? Why does NO structural engineer support the claims of conspiracy theories? Can you produce any record of ONE eyewitness that saw a missile strike the Pentagon? You watch these videos...that have all been discredited...and you choose to believe the LIMITED sample of evidence they provide. Do you know how many firefighters were disgusted with these videos because they totally misrepresented them?
I guess the photos and eyewitnesses that prove there was plane debris all over the lawn, road, and a third of a mile from the crash site were all a big lie. Maybe your "missle" carried plane debris with it and dropped it in all those places BEFORE it hit the Pentagon...that is very plausible. I guess the photos of the victims remains that were shown at the Moussaui trail also prove nothing to you. The remains of one of the passengers was found on the THIRD floor. I am sure you guys will ignore all this EVIDENCE and choose to believe the work of a small group of people.
It is actually quite disgusting that people are so lazy in their search for truth that they would disrespect the lives lost on that day.
maybe you should start reading the mountains of info out there saying otherwise and am not talking about youtube videos. You go ahead and keep believing what the govt tells you to believe. All the info you are reading is from mainstream media sources which is all aligned with the govt. Wakeup and do your own research. There has been a ton of engineers who have said that the towers should have never fell the way they did, problem is you only are reading the side the govt tells you.
And once again i will say this, if a friggin plane hit the pentagon, then all the govt needs to do is so one clear video of the plane heading for the building, which they have yet to show. All they have ever shown is some grainy ass video that you cannot make out what hit the building. The most secure building in our country and they have no videos of the hit, yeah okay genius lollllllllllllllll.
Like i said before if the security on one of our most important buildings is that weak that a jumbo jet can make even close to the building without being shot down, then all of our enemies around the world should just do an all out assualt on our country and take us over, it should be a walk in the park then. That plane would have never even been able to get close to the pentagon, yet fly into the building. Sorry but no way no how.
When you or our govt shows a clear video of a plane hitting the building, then i will say am wrong, until then am sorry but i dont believe any plane hit that building. Thats my opinion and am sticking to it.
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Quote Originally Posted by tpjw44:
I didnt mention the firefighters in NYC cause we were talking about the PENTAGON. When are you guys going to stop taking a youtube video as gospel over the mountains of evidence out there? You don't think there would be things exploding (not bombs) in a building when a huge plane with jet fuel hits it? Watch the Naday brothers film...you can hear explosions well before the building fell. You want to laugh about my eye witnesses...why do the majority of those firefighters AGREE with the OFFICIAL explanation of how the towers came down? Why does NO structural engineer support the claims of conspiracy theories? Can you produce any record of ONE eyewitness that saw a missile strike the Pentagon? You watch these videos...that have all been discredited...and you choose to believe the LIMITED sample of evidence they provide. Do you know how many firefighters were disgusted with these videos because they totally misrepresented them?
I guess the photos and eyewitnesses that prove there was plane debris all over the lawn, road, and a third of a mile from the crash site were all a big lie. Maybe your "missle" carried plane debris with it and dropped it in all those places BEFORE it hit the Pentagon...that is very plausible. I guess the photos of the victims remains that were shown at the Moussaui trail also prove nothing to you. The remains of one of the passengers was found on the THIRD floor. I am sure you guys will ignore all this EVIDENCE and choose to believe the work of a small group of people.
It is actually quite disgusting that people are so lazy in their search for truth that they would disrespect the lives lost on that day.
maybe you should start reading the mountains of info out there saying otherwise and am not talking about youtube videos. You go ahead and keep believing what the govt tells you to believe. All the info you are reading is from mainstream media sources which is all aligned with the govt. Wakeup and do your own research. There has been a ton of engineers who have said that the towers should have never fell the way they did, problem is you only are reading the side the govt tells you.
And once again i will say this, if a friggin plane hit the pentagon, then all the govt needs to do is so one clear video of the plane heading for the building, which they have yet to show. All they have ever shown is some grainy ass video that you cannot make out what hit the building. The most secure building in our country and they have no videos of the hit, yeah okay genius lollllllllllllllll.
Like i said before if the security on one of our most important buildings is that weak that a jumbo jet can make even close to the building without being shot down, then all of our enemies around the world should just do an all out assualt on our country and take us over, it should be a walk in the park then. That plane would have never even been able to get close to the pentagon, yet fly into the building. Sorry but no way no how.
When you or our govt shows a clear video of a plane hitting the building, then i will say am wrong, until then am sorry but i dont believe any plane hit that building. Thats my opinion and am sticking to it.
I didnt mention the firefighters in NYC cause we were talking about the PENTAGON. When are you guys going to stop taking a youtube video as gospel over the mountains of evidence out there? You don't think there would be things exploding (not bombs) in a building when a huge plane with jet fuel hits it? Watch the Naday brothers film...you can hear explosions well before the building fell. You want to laugh about my eye witnesses...why do the majority of those firefighters AGREE with the OFFICIAL explanation of how the towers came down? Why does NO structural engineer support the claims of conspiracy theories? Can you produce any record of ONE eyewitness that saw a missile strike the Pentagon? You watch these videos...that have all been discredited...and you choose to believe the LIMITED sample of evidence they provide. Do you know how many firefighters were disgusted with these videos because they totally misrepresented them?
I guess the photos and eyewitnesses that prove there was plane debris all over the lawn, road, and a third of a mile from the crash site were all a big lie. Maybe your "missle" carried plane debris with it and dropped it in all those places BEFORE it hit the Pentagon...that is very plausible. I guess the photos of the victims remains that were shown at the Moussaui trail also prove nothing to you. The remains of one of the passengers was found on the THIRD floor. I am sure you guys will ignore all this EVIDENCE and choose to believe the work of a small group of people.
It is actually quite disgusting that people are so lazy in their search for truth that they would disrespect the lives lost on that day.
I checked out that site and saw the video from MIKE WALTER'S interview.....He says he saw a plane hit the pentagon at 500 miles an hour and saw the wings fold back.....He must have CAMERA SHUTTER EYES.....most people would blink at impact.......That site also shows pieces of an engine laying around that were NOT from that type of plane....At least that is what's told by someone that builds those engines.
They also show the charred I.D. of the hijacker that flew the plane....Isn't that a little suspicious to you ? Metal and flesh and bones and engines are vapourized ...Yet a piece of paper that was in someones pocket was found ?
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Quote Originally Posted by tpjw44:
I didnt mention the firefighters in NYC cause we were talking about the PENTAGON. When are you guys going to stop taking a youtube video as gospel over the mountains of evidence out there? You don't think there would be things exploding (not bombs) in a building when a huge plane with jet fuel hits it? Watch the Naday brothers film...you can hear explosions well before the building fell. You want to laugh about my eye witnesses...why do the majority of those firefighters AGREE with the OFFICIAL explanation of how the towers came down? Why does NO structural engineer support the claims of conspiracy theories? Can you produce any record of ONE eyewitness that saw a missile strike the Pentagon? You watch these videos...that have all been discredited...and you choose to believe the LIMITED sample of evidence they provide. Do you know how many firefighters were disgusted with these videos because they totally misrepresented them?
I guess the photos and eyewitnesses that prove there was plane debris all over the lawn, road, and a third of a mile from the crash site were all a big lie. Maybe your "missle" carried plane debris with it and dropped it in all those places BEFORE it hit the Pentagon...that is very plausible. I guess the photos of the victims remains that were shown at the Moussaui trail also prove nothing to you. The remains of one of the passengers was found on the THIRD floor. I am sure you guys will ignore all this EVIDENCE and choose to believe the work of a small group of people.
It is actually quite disgusting that people are so lazy in their search for truth that they would disrespect the lives lost on that day.
I checked out that site and saw the video from MIKE WALTER'S interview.....He says he saw a plane hit the pentagon at 500 miles an hour and saw the wings fold back.....He must have CAMERA SHUTTER EYES.....most people would blink at impact.......That site also shows pieces of an engine laying around that were NOT from that type of plane....At least that is what's told by someone that builds those engines.
They also show the charred I.D. of the hijacker that flew the plane....Isn't that a little suspicious to you ? Metal and flesh and bones and engines are vapourized ...Yet a piece of paper that was in someones pocket was found ?
maybe you should start reading the mountains of info out there saying otherwise and am not talking about youtube videos. You go ahead and keep believing what the govt tells you to believe. All the info you are reading is from mainstream media sources which is all aligned with the govt. Wakeup and do your own research. There has been a ton of engineers who have said that the towers should have never fell the way they did, problem is you only are reading the side the govt tells you.
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maybe you should start reading the mountains of info out there saying otherwise and am not talking about youtube videos. You go ahead and keep believing what the govt tells you to believe. All the info you are reading is from mainstream media sources which is all aligned with the govt. Wakeup and do your own research. There has been a ton of engineers who have said that the towers should have never fell the way they did, problem is you only are reading the side the govt tells you.
They also show the charred I.D. of the hijacker that flew the
plane....Isn't that a little suspicious to you ? Metal and flesh and
bones and engines are vapourized ...Yet a piece of paper that was in
someones pocket was found ?
It wasn't a nuclear bomb, i.e., total vaporization. Random shit survives during explosions, similar to an F5 tornado raking a neighborhood yet one house stands unscathed.
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They also show the charred I.D. of the hijacker that flew the
plane....Isn't that a little suspicious to you ? Metal and flesh and
bones and engines are vapourized ...Yet a piece of paper that was in
someones pocket was found ?
It wasn't a nuclear bomb, i.e., total vaporization. Random shit survives during explosions, similar to an F5 tornado raking a neighborhood yet one house stands unscathed.
So where are the people that were on the "supposed" plane into the Pentagon?
If you read the whole thread you would see I ask the same question at ...>.. Posted: 6/21/2008 7:11:22 PM
It wasn't a nuclear bomb, vaporization.ie., total vaporization. Random shit survives during explosions, similar to an F5 tornado raking a neighborhood yet one house stands unscathed.
The total vaporization..was what the reports claimed......not mine.
You compare an explosion to a tornado ?
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Quote Originally Posted by cdl6449:
So where are the people that were on the "supposed" plane into the Pentagon?
If you read the whole thread you would see I ask the same question at ...>.. Posted: 6/21/2008 7:11:22 PM
It wasn't a nuclear bomb, vaporization.ie., total vaporization. Random shit survives during explosions, similar to an F5 tornado raking a neighborhood yet one house stands unscathed.
The total vaporization..was what the reports claimed......not mine.
Impressive video but it's a much smaller plane without the huge engines and it's on a track. I don't think that a piece of paper from the cockpit would survive in this video.
It's still impossible for a plane that large to hit the pentagon without touching the ground.
Impressive video but it's a much smaller plane without the huge engines and it's on a track. I don't think that a piece of paper from the cockpit would survive in this video.
It's still impossible for a plane that large to hit the pentagon without touching the ground.
Yeah, in this case the analogy holds. Chaos = random shit survives unscathed
If you read the whole thread you would see I ask the same question at ...>.. Posted: 6/21/2008 7:11:22 PM
Gotcha. I see "the gr8 tobeeee" conveniently dodged the question. .
I don't think you DO see..............
I don't think a plane hit the pentagon ....or a plane crashed in PA.
If what I think is true than it's worse than anyone thinks because there are 2 planes missing plus the crew and passangers......What happened to them is something that you might see in a hollywood movie OR expect from a country that would accept that loss of it's own people for monatary gains.
The reason I asked TOBY is I wanted someones opinion that also thinks no aircraft hit the pentagon.... his view of the unthinkable.
That is why I would like to see footage that HAS to be out there of a PLANE crashing into the pentagon.
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Quote Originally Posted by cdl6449:
You compare an explosion to a tornado ?
Yeah, in this case the analogy holds. Chaos = random shit survives unscathed
If you read the whole thread you would see I ask the same question at ...>.. Posted: 6/21/2008 7:11:22 PM
Gotcha. I see "the gr8 tobeeee" conveniently dodged the question. .
I don't think you DO see..............
I don't think a plane hit the pentagon ....or a plane crashed in PA.
If what I think is true than it's worse than anyone thinks because there are 2 planes missing plus the crew and passangers......What happened to them is something that you might see in a hollywood movie OR expect from a country that would accept that loss of it's own people for monatary gains.
The reason I asked TOBY is I wanted someones opinion that also thinks no aircraft hit the pentagon.... his view of the unthinkable.
That is why I would like to see footage that HAS to be out there of a PLANE crashing into the pentagon.
So where are the people that were on the "supposed" plane into the Pentagon?
its anyones guess, when people try to explain what really happened stuff starts to get wacky, but a plane didn't hit the pentagon. also the plane parts found in the pentagon weren't even from a Boeing the big box under the blue tarp lol the blue tarp and every on site reporter said it didn't look like a plan crash, lets keep believing the magical storys against the laws of gravity and physics and fire science that all happened on one day in the history of the world.
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Quote Originally Posted by cdl6449:
So where are the people that were on the "supposed" plane into the Pentagon?
its anyones guess, when people try to explain what really happened stuff starts to get wacky, but a plane didn't hit the pentagon. also the plane parts found in the pentagon weren't even from a Boeing the big box under the blue tarp lol the blue tarp and every on site reporter said it didn't look like a plan crash, lets keep believing the magical storys against the laws of gravity and physics and fire science that all happened on one day in the history of the world.
its anyones guess, when people try to explain what really happened stuff starts to get wacky, but a plane didn't hit the pentagon. also the plane parts found in the pentagon weren't even from a Boeing the big box under the blue tarp lol the blue tarp and every on site reporter said it didn't look like a plan crash, lets keep believing the magical storys against the laws of gravity and physics and fire science that all happened on one day in the history of the world.
exactly. everybody is born with a mind, but some people choose to not use theirs and instead believe everything they are told. Its amazing how many people think that no way our govt and the people behind it would never do such horrible things, it really is mind boggling. All thru out history people in power have killed their own people, yet for some reason nobody wants to believe because we live in the USA it could never be done. What people fail to realize is it doesnt matter where in the world you live, were all still humans and some humans will do whatever it takes to have power, control and money, including doing evil unspeakable things. They love to hide their evil deeds under the disguise its for the greater good of society.
No way no how a jumbo jet could have gotton within 5 miles of the pentagon, especially not after what happened in NY.
Will never know the real truth and thats because some people believe one thing and others believe another thing. So we will just have to keep arguing back and forth with each other,lolllllllllll.
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Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatToby:
its anyones guess, when people try to explain what really happened stuff starts to get wacky, but a plane didn't hit the pentagon. also the plane parts found in the pentagon weren't even from a Boeing the big box under the blue tarp lol the blue tarp and every on site reporter said it didn't look like a plan crash, lets keep believing the magical storys against the laws of gravity and physics and fire science that all happened on one day in the history of the world.
exactly. everybody is born with a mind, but some people choose to not use theirs and instead believe everything they are told. Its amazing how many people think that no way our govt and the people behind it would never do such horrible things, it really is mind boggling. All thru out history people in power have killed their own people, yet for some reason nobody wants to believe because we live in the USA it could never be done. What people fail to realize is it doesnt matter where in the world you live, were all still humans and some humans will do whatever it takes to have power, control and money, including doing evil unspeakable things. They love to hide their evil deeds under the disguise its for the greater good of society.
No way no how a jumbo jet could have gotton within 5 miles of the pentagon, especially not after what happened in NY.
Will never know the real truth and thats because some people believe one thing and others believe another thing. So we will just have to keep arguing back and forth with each other,lolllllllllll.
some people will live their whole life believing every single thing the govt tells them to believe. I dont care what the govt says, no way a plane hit the pentagon. If people would use alittle common sense they would realize this also. On top of like you said these guys couldnt fly a 2 seater, but they were able to guide a jumbo jet into the building, yeah right. Also there is no way a plane would have even been able to get that close to the pentagon without being shot down by some high tech weapon. I will tell you what, if jumbo jets can crash into one of our most secure buildings in the country, then our enemies around the world would have no problems attacking all our most secure buildings. Whitehouse, pentagon, congress, fort knox, etc etc etc. You cant even get close to these buildings.
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