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    Is there any doubt why JFK was killed?

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    macman
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2008 - 4:50 PM ET #101

    Crickets. I hear crickets.
     
    There are paid shills who's job it is to...
     
    Nothing of substance from you know who. Just more babble and insults.
    That's what they are good at.
    Providing no info. Parrots of Lamestream media TRYING to insult people who actually care and THINK.
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    Crickets. I hear crickets.
     
    There are paid shills who's job it is to...
     
    Nothing of substance from you know who. Just more babble and insults.
    That's what they are good at.
    Providing no info. Parrots of Lamestream media TRYING to insult people who actually care and THINK.
    to most
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2008 - 5:58 PM ET #102

    TOBY.....The strangest part of the whole deal to me is....I don't believe that a plane hit the pentagon, that another went down in PA, and some think that at least the second tower was not hit by a commercial airliner.
     
    If that's the case.....then what happened to these aircrafts, crew members and the passangers?......That's scary.
     
     
    I don't see anyone else with any answers to the above questions either.....It's a lot easier to say.......
     

    Are there really in here that think 9/11 was a conspiracy? If so please make you way off the 30 ft cliff . . .Thanks

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    TOBY.....The strangest part of the whole deal to me is....I don't believe that a plane hit the pentagon, that another went down in PA, and some think that at least the second tower was not hit by a commercial airliner.
     
    If that's the case.....then what happened to these aircrafts, crew members and the passangers?......That's scary.
     
     
    I don't see anyone else with any answers to the above questions either.....It's a lot easier to say.......
     

    Are there really in here that think 9/11 was a conspiracy? If so please make you way off the 30 ft cliff . . .Thanks

     
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    Posted: Jun. 21, 2008 - 2:47 AM ET #103

    JFK= google executive order 11110 for a quick read on some facts just prior to his death/murder
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    Read some facts PRIOR to his murder
     
    Perhaps you'd like to share some facts pertaining to the actual murder that show it was a conspiracy.

    There is one specific part that interests me.....there were 3 shots.....all accounted for.  And 3 shell casings from the rifle in the depository.  Yet many conspiracy folks say he was shot from the front (grassy knoll).  Please post the evidence as to why this is true.  If you can, I'lll show you what a fool you are.  If you can't, I'll assume you chose to believe fairy tails and aren't interested in the facts.
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    JFK= google executive order 11110 for a quick read on some facts just prior to his death/murder
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    Read some facts PRIOR to his murder
     
    Perhaps you'd like to share some facts pertaining to the actual murder that show it was a conspiracy.

    There is one specific part that interests me.....there were 3 shots.....all accounted for.  And 3 shell casings from the rifle in the depository.  Yet many conspiracy folks say he was shot from the front (grassy knoll).  Please post the evidence as to why this is true.  If you can, I'lll show you what a fool you are.  If you can't, I'll assume you chose to believe fairy tails and aren't interested in the facts.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 21, 2008 - 10:24 AM ET #104

    Sorry Hutch.
    Pointing and laughuing about me making one statement about Exectutive order 11110 ?
    Is Executive order 11110 a fact or fiction?
    Find one statement about the JFK murder where I said his murder was a conspiracy.
    Stick to the facts.
    Where in this thread or ANY other thread do you see me debating how he was killed.
    Are you upset because I pointed out executive order 11110 for anyone to google and read?
    I'm more interested in Bldg #7.
    Perhaps you'd like to provide me with some facts about bldg#7 that show us all how it came down.
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    Sorry Hutch.
    Pointing and laughuing about me making one statement about Exectutive order 11110 ?
    Is Executive order 11110 a fact or fiction?
    Find one statement about the JFK murder where I said his murder was a conspiracy.
    Stick to the facts.
    Where in this thread or ANY other thread do you see me debating how he was killed.
    Are you upset because I pointed out executive order 11110 for anyone to google and read?
    I'm more interested in Bldg #7.
    Perhaps you'd like to provide me with some facts about bldg#7 that show us all how it came down.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 21, 2008 - 10:39 AM ET #105

    I'm just glad that some people on this board weren't alive during the first third of the 20th century when "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" was widely read and accepted as truth.
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    I'm just glad that some people on this board weren't alive during the first third of the 20th century when "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" was widely read and accepted as truth.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 21, 2008 - 6:28 PM ET #106

    Quote Originally Posted by PayDaJuice:

    What questions? I would love to see this check list of nonsense you came up with.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Feel free to jump in any time.....or did you realize how stupid you made yourself look?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PayDaJuice:

    What questions? I would love to see this check list of nonsense you came up with.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Feel free to jump in any time.....or did you realize how stupid you made yourself look?

     
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    Posted: Jun. 21, 2008 - 6:51 PM ET #107

    Quote Originally Posted by PayDaJuice:

    What questions? Two (2) planes crashed into the towers! Why would anyone sacrifice that many American lives, cripple the U. S Economy and put fear in the U.S.A.? If your answer is going to be oil, please save your energy.

     

    Come on!

     

    I love when these Liberals come out and try to undermine this great country!

     

    Let me guess, your voting for your savior? Obama?

     

     

    it wasnt just done for oil.  It was done for alot of reasons, mostly to get total control over people by taking away lot of freedoms, like with the patriot act.  No better way to control people then by making them afraid.  If you think the people behind the scenes running the world wouldnt sacrfice a few thousand people to get what they want, you dont much about power obsessesd people.  Read your history book about power obsessed people and what crimes they have done, in order to keep their power and control over people.  Everybody thinks because we live in America, something like this could never take place.  Like i said, when the govt releases a clear video of a plane hitting the pentagon, then i will say i was wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PayDaJuice:

    What questions? Two (2) planes crashed into the towers! Why would anyone sacrifice that many American lives, cripple the U. S Economy and put fear in the U.S.A.? If your answer is going to be oil, please save your energy.

     

    Come on!

     

    I love when these Liberals come out and try to undermine this great country!

     

    Let me guess, your voting for your savior? Obama?

     

     

    it wasnt just done for oil.  It was done for alot of reasons, mostly to get total control over people by taking away lot of freedoms, like with the patriot act.  No better way to control people then by making them afraid.  If you think the people behind the scenes running the world wouldnt sacrfice a few thousand people to get what they want, you dont much about power obsessesd people.  Read your history book about power obsessed people and what crimes they have done, in order to keep their power and control over people.  Everybody thinks because we live in America, something like this could never take place.  Like i said, when the govt releases a clear video of a plane hitting the pentagon, then i will say i was wrong.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 21, 2008 - 7:01 PM ET #108

    mathmaticly the pentagon wasn't hit with a plane, 80 cameras saw it, but none of us can see it, it was a missle
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    mathmaticly the pentagon wasn't hit with a plane, 80 cameras saw it, but none of us can see it, it was a missle
     
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    Posted: Jun. 21, 2008 - 7:11 PM ET #109

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatToby:

    mathmaticly the pentagon wasn't hit with a plane, 80 cameras saw it, but none of us can see it, it was a missle

    I agree....However...If NO plane hit the pentagon and no real signs of a plane crashed in PA....What do you think happened to those planes,crew and passangers ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatToby:

    mathmaticly the pentagon wasn't hit with a plane, 80 cameras saw it, but none of us can see it, it was a missle

    I agree....However...If NO plane hit the pentagon and no real signs of a plane crashed in PA....What do you think happened to those planes,crew and passangers ?

     
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    i have mixed feelings about the plane that crashed in PA, i feel that it was a plane crash, it didnt look like a normal plane crash but, a normal plane crash wouldnt have explosions on board, theres so many undisputable facts about the 9/11 events that i actuallly have to pick and choose my battles, when looking at evidance,  theres other ways to prove the whole them was twisted
     
    the sad part of coarse is the fact the thousands have died and will countiue to die but the second "sadiest thing" is that we live in a digital age, the evidance is outhere over 15 million people have seen loose change but most of them are high school and college kids, older adults look at it as something that is "wacky" and doesnt feel its real they think its a joke. my dad is a retired figher fighter, and im always bringing up all kinds of topics, and facts, and we've fought fires together and he knows, that i know what im talking about, and my mother asked my dad "what do you think about all this" and ,my dad simply said"i, dont, what has changed since you learned all this" it's true, people know but no one wants to believe it, even the haters on here haven't seen the vidoes but they feel there two cents is worth something its not. my search for the answers to what happend on 9/11 didnt happen tell about a year ago
     
    i always heard about the idea of there being vidoes, about bombs and stuff and i was exspecting a waky left video with fake print shop quality vidoes. but one day i was at the station and i was like "buldings dont fall from free fall speeds due to fires" everyone was like whats your point? and i was like 9/11
     
    and everyone said dont even start.
     
    later two men on my crew at the time came up to me and told me about other strange events that happend on 9/11
     
    if people think your full of shit just have them see the documentarys. it's that simple, people will not believe, let them, ignorance is bliss for them
     
    "i'd rather be a little scared
    then blind and dumb"
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    i have mixed feelings about the plane that crashed in PA, i feel that it was a plane crash, it didnt look like a normal plane crash but, a normal plane crash wouldnt have explosions on board, theres so many undisputable facts about the 9/11 events that i actuallly have to pick and choose my battles, when looking at evidance,  theres other ways to prove the whole them was twisted
     
    the sad part of coarse is the fact the thousands have died and will countiue to die but the second "sadiest thing" is that we live in a digital age, the evidance is outhere over 15 million people have seen loose change but most of them are high school and college kids, older adults look at it as something that is "wacky" and doesnt feel its real they think its a joke. my dad is a retired figher fighter, and im always bringing up all kinds of topics, and facts, and we've fought fires together and he knows, that i know what im talking about, and my mother asked my dad "what do you think about all this" and ,my dad simply said"i, dont, what has changed since you learned all this" it's true, people know but no one wants to believe it, even the haters on here haven't seen the vidoes but they feel there two cents is worth something its not. my search for the answers to what happend on 9/11 didnt happen tell about a year ago
     
    i always heard about the idea of there being vidoes, about bombs and stuff and i was exspecting a waky left video with fake print shop quality vidoes. but one day i was at the station and i was like "buldings dont fall from free fall speeds due to fires" everyone was like whats your point? and i was like 9/11
     
    and everyone said dont even start.
     
    later two men on my crew at the time came up to me and told me about other strange events that happend on 9/11
     
    if people think your full of shit just have them see the documentarys. it's that simple, people will not believe, let them, ignorance is bliss for them
     
    "i'd rather be a little scared
    then blind and dumb"
     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2008 - 8:06 AM ET #111

    Quote Originally Posted by coldsnap55:

     

    Feel free to jump in any time.....or did you realize how stupid you made yourself look?

    Wow, how long were you waiting for me to respond? Sitting by your comp all weekend?

     

    Unlike you some people have lives.

     

    Your questions are foolish! How could the pieces of shit fly a plane into the building? You guys make me sick. LoL.

     

    Please post more about your theories of 9/11 . . . We need some laughs LoL . . .

     

    FYI . .

     

    There is no Tooth Fairy . . . sorry to break the bad news.  

     

    Also, I am not trying to change your opinions. You can believe what you want. There is always some morons out there in the world, I am not going to try to change your view points.  

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by coldsnap55:

     

    Feel free to jump in any time.....or did you realize how stupid you made yourself look?

    Wow, how long were you waiting for me to respond? Sitting by your comp all weekend?

     

    Unlike you some people have lives.

     

    Your questions are foolish! How could the pieces of shit fly a plane into the building? You guys make me sick. LoL.

     

    Please post more about your theories of 9/11 . . . We need some laughs LoL . . .

     

    FYI . .

     

    There is no Tooth Fairy . . . sorry to break the bad news.  

     

    Also, I am not trying to change your opinions. You can believe what you want. There is always some morons out there in the world, I am not going to try to change your view points.  

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2008 - 9:08 AM ET #112

    Stop bringing up facts from Loose Change...that was the biggest piece of garbage ever.  They presented SOME of the facts, simply leaving out others that did not support their views.  The makers of the film have even admitted to making mistakes.

    https://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3214024953129565561&q=Loose+Change+not+again&ei=cJ9fSK_1DYjGqALOqOC-Cw

    Watch that.  A true American who debunks just about everything these nitwits say.
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    Stop bringing up facts from Loose Change...that was the biggest piece of garbage ever.  They presented SOME of the facts, simply leaving out others that did not support their views.  The makers of the film have even admitted to making mistakes.

    https://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3214024953129565561&q=Loose+Change+not+again&ei=cJ9fSK_1DYjGqALOqOC-Cw

    Watch that.  A true American who debunks just about everything these nitwits say.
     
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    Anyone been to Taco Bell lately?
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    Anyone been to Taco Bell lately?
     
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    Just checking to see if Hutchanswered the Bldg #7. question.
     
    Hutch asking me questions about bullets when I pointed out exectutive order 11110?
    Hutch pointing and laughing about me suggesting a read of some facts just prior to JFK's death contained in exectutive order 11110?
    Hutch not answering any of my direct questions to him/her AFTER he/she purposely tried to engage me in a debate he/she was having with another member in this thread. 
    Hutch , in the future be careful who you suggest may be a fool.
    The answer might be in your mirror.
    Have a wonderful day Starsky.
     
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    Just checking to see if Hutchanswered the Bldg #7. question.
     
    Hutch asking me questions about bullets when I pointed out exectutive order 11110?
    Hutch pointing and laughing about me suggesting a read of some facts just prior to JFK's death contained in exectutive order 11110?
    Hutch not answering any of my direct questions to him/her AFTER he/she purposely tried to engage me in a debate he/she was having with another member in this thread. 
    Hutch , in the future be careful who you suggest may be a fool.
    The answer might be in your mirror.
    Have a wonderful day Starsky.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tpjw44:

    Stop bringing up facts from Loose Change...that was the biggest piece of garbage ever.  They presented SOME of the facts, simply leaving out others that did not support their views.  The makers of the film have even admitted to making mistakes.

    https://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3214024953129565561&q=Loose+Change+not+again&ei=cJ9fSK_1DYjGqALOqOC-Cw

    Watch that.  A true American who debunks just about everything these nitwits say.

    "in plan sight" is a hell of alot more credible as well as the 2nd part of the the zeitgeist, the part of loose change were they slow it down and say that bombs ignight when the plans hit, idk, seems kinda shady to me, but theres so much other stuff i try to pick and choose, when bringing up topics, i try to bring up the most undisputedable facts and evidance. i dont want to convence others that 9/11 was a governemt opp, but i want to hear others views, opinions, but first they need to atleast try to open there mind, i want to find someone that can throw conspiracy therorys out the window that have seen"in plan sight" and others. i want to find someone that tells me why the laws of gravity changed for one day in one city. the people that say the gov. had nothing to do with it havent looked into it. tower7 fell at free fall speeds, wasnt hit with a plan, thats all i need to know theres something we dont know, i have no proff that the US goverment did it, i do have proff that what the US government told us about 9/11 was in fact bull shit,  i love this country, i risk my life when i go to work, i have friends over seas and i had one of my best friends die in this war, it's my love for this country, that makes me seek the answers to the biggest attck on american soil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpjw44:

    Stop bringing up facts from Loose Change...that was the biggest piece of garbage ever.  They presented SOME of the facts, simply leaving out others that did not support their views.  The makers of the film have even admitted to making mistakes.

    https://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3214024953129565561&q=Loose+Change+not+again&ei=cJ9fSK_1DYjGqALOqOC-Cw

    Watch that.  A true American who debunks just about everything these nitwits say.

    "in plan sight" is a hell of alot more credible as well as the 2nd part of the the zeitgeist, the part of loose change were they slow it down and say that bombs ignight when the plans hit, idk, seems kinda shady to me, but theres so much other stuff i try to pick and choose, when bringing up topics, i try to bring up the most undisputedable facts and evidance. i dont want to convence others that 9/11 was a governemt opp, but i want to hear others views, opinions, but first they need to atleast try to open there mind, i want to find someone that can throw conspiracy therorys out the window that have seen"in plan sight" and others. i want to find someone that tells me why the laws of gravity changed for one day in one city. the people that say the gov. had nothing to do with it havent looked into it. tower7 fell at free fall speeds, wasnt hit with a plan, thats all i need to know theres something we dont know, i have no proff that the US goverment did it, i do have proff that what the US government told us about 9/11 was in fact bull shit,  i love this country, i risk my life when i go to work, i have friends over seas and i had one of my best friends die in this war, it's my love for this country, that makes me seek the answers to the biggest attck on american soil.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2008 - 5:30 PM ET #116

    Quote Originally Posted by tuxman:

    Anyone been to Taco Bell lately?

    $5 meal deal is really good

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    Anyone been to Taco Bell lately?

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    Claim: Photographs and video footage shot just before United Airlines Flight 175 hit the South Tower of the World Trade Center (WTC) show an object underneath the fuselage at the base of the right wing. The film "911 In Plane Site" and the Web site LetsRoll911.org claim that no such object is found on a stock Boeing 767. They speculate that this "military pod" is a missile, a bomb or a piece of equipment on an air-refueling tanker. LetsRoll911.org points to this as evidence that the attacks were an "inside job" sanctioned by "President George Bush, who planned and engineered 9/11."

    FACT: One of the clearest, most widely seen pictures of the doomed jet's undercarriage was taken by photographer Rob Howard and published in New York magazine and elsewhere (opening page). PM sent a digital scan of the original photo to Ronald Greeley, director of the Space Photography Laboratory at Arizona State University. Greeley is an expert at analyzing images to determine the shape and features of geological formations based on shadow and light effects. After studying the high-resolution image and comparing it to photos of a Boeing 767-200ER's undercarriage, Greeley dismissed the notion that the Howard photo reveals a "pod." In fact, the photo reveals only the Boeing's right fairing, a pronounced bulge that contains the landing gear. He concludes that sunlight glinting off the fairing gave it an exaggerated look. "Such a glint causes a blossoming (enlargement) on film," he writes in an e-mail to PM, "which tends to be amplified in digital versions of images — the pixels are saturated and tend to 'spill over' to adjacent pixels." When asked about pods attached to civilian aircraft, Fred E. Culick, professor of aeronautics at the California Institute of Technology, gave a blunter response: "That's bull. They're really stretching."
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    Claim: Photographs and video footage shot just before United Airlines Flight 175 hit the South Tower of the World Trade Center (WTC) show an object underneath the fuselage at the base of the right wing. The film "911 In Plane Site" and the Web site LetsRoll911.org claim that no such object is found on a stock Boeing 767. They speculate that this "military pod" is a missile, a bomb or a piece of equipment on an air-refueling tanker. LetsRoll911.org points to this as evidence that the attacks were an "inside job" sanctioned by "President George Bush, who planned and engineered 9/11."

    FACT: One of the clearest, most widely seen pictures of the doomed jet's undercarriage was taken by photographer Rob Howard and published in New York magazine and elsewhere (opening page). PM sent a digital scan of the original photo to Ronald Greeley, director of the Space Photography Laboratory at Arizona State University. Greeley is an expert at analyzing images to determine the shape and features of geological formations based on shadow and light effects. After studying the high-resolution image and comparing it to photos of a Boeing 767-200ER's undercarriage, Greeley dismissed the notion that the Howard photo reveals a "pod." In fact, the photo reveals only the Boeing's right fairing, a pronounced bulge that contains the landing gear. He concludes that sunlight glinting off the fairing gave it an exaggerated look. "Such a glint causes a blossoming (enlargement) on film," he writes in an e-mail to PM, "which tends to be amplified in digital versions of images — the pixels are saturated and tend to 'spill over' to adjacent pixels." When asked about pods attached to civilian aircraft, Fred E. Culick, professor of aeronautics at the California Institute of Technology, gave a blunter response: "That's bull. They're really stretching."
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by PayDaJuice:

    Claim: Photographs and video footage shot just before United Airlines Flight 175 hit the South Tower of the World Trade Center (WTC) show an object underneath the fuselage at the base of the right wing. The film "911 In Plane Site" and the Web site LetsRoll911.org claim that no such object is found on a stock Boeing 767. They speculate that this "military pod" is a missile, a bomb or a piece of equipment on an air-refueling tanker. LetsRoll911.org points to this as evidence that the attacks were an "inside job" sanctioned by "President George Bush, who planned and engineered 9/11."

    FACT: One of the clearest, most widely seen pictures of the doomed jet's undercarriage was taken by photographer Rob Howard and published in New York magazine and elsewhere (opening page). PM sent a digital scan of the original photo to Ronald Greeley, director of the Space Photography Laboratory at Arizona State University. Greeley is an expert at analyzing images to determine the shape and features of geological formations based on shadow and light effects. After studying the high-resolution image and comparing it to photos of a Boeing 767-200ER's undercarriage, Greeley dismissed the notion that the Howard photo reveals a "pod." In fact, the photo reveals only the Boeing's right fairing, a pronounced bulge that contains the landing gear. He concludes that sunlight glinting off the fairing gave it an exaggerated look. "Such a glint causes a blossoming (enlargement) on film," he writes in an e-mail to PM, "which tends to be amplified in digital versions of images — the pixels are saturated and tend to 'spill over' to adjacent pixels." When asked about pods attached to civilian aircraft, Fred E. Culick, professor of aeronautics at the California Institute of Technology, gave a blunter response: "That's bull. They're really stretching."

    i brought that up as well that there were crap like that in vidoes that i called "shady" as in made up shit to prove a point. i belive in the 9/11 conspiracys, thats not a secret but i think that in videos such as loose change some, of the stuff isnt all facts because the film makers have ther own agenda, its sad but true. "in plan site" slows everything down, with the pentagon attack. i was previously bringing up the video loose change and i never should have, because theres more credible videos hell theres even award winning documentrys out there. there's about 70 reasons why what you think happend on 9/11 was bull shit, some off them might have been made up or stretched, this is one reason that people see this shit as wacky, i guess but. the pentagon stuff, disprove it, try it, a plane would have blown the cars off the road and had to skeed into it pluss there was a 12 foot hole before the hole thing collapesed. cnn said it didnt look like a plan hit it, so did the fire fighters, how the hell did a 737 fit into a 12ft hole, that and the fact that bulidings dont fall at free fall speeds due to fires, thats ALL I NEED, disprove all the other bs, and i wouldnt care tell me how a 737 fit into a 12ft hole as well, keep in mind that tower7 fell at free fall speeds and it wasnt hit by a plane, some of the ideas out there are bs but as long as some of them are true, then the governemt is hidding something

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    Quote Originally Posted by PayDaJuice:

    Claim: Photographs and video footage shot just before United Airlines Flight 175 hit the South Tower of the World Trade Center (WTC) show an object underneath the fuselage at the base of the right wing. The film "911 In Plane Site" and the Web site LetsRoll911.org claim that no such object is found on a stock Boeing 767. They speculate that this "military pod" is a missile, a bomb or a piece of equipment on an air-refueling tanker. LetsRoll911.org points to this as evidence that the attacks were an "inside job" sanctioned by "President George Bush, who planned and engineered 9/11."

    FACT: One of the clearest, most widely seen pictures of the doomed jet's undercarriage was taken by photographer Rob Howard and published in New York magazine and elsewhere (opening page). PM sent a digital scan of the original photo to Ronald Greeley, director of the Space Photography Laboratory at Arizona State University. Greeley is an expert at analyzing images to determine the shape and features of geological formations based on shadow and light effects. After studying the high-resolution image and comparing it to photos of a Boeing 767-200ER's undercarriage, Greeley dismissed the notion that the Howard photo reveals a "pod." In fact, the photo reveals only the Boeing's right fairing, a pronounced bulge that contains the landing gear. He concludes that sunlight glinting off the fairing gave it an exaggerated look. "Such a glint causes a blossoming (enlargement) on film," he writes in an e-mail to PM, "which tends to be amplified in digital versions of images — the pixels are saturated and tend to 'spill over' to adjacent pixels." When asked about pods attached to civilian aircraft, Fred E. Culick, professor of aeronautics at the California Institute of Technology, gave a blunter response: "That's bull. They're really stretching."

    i brought that up as well that there were crap like that in vidoes that i called "shady" as in made up shit to prove a point. i belive in the 9/11 conspiracys, thats not a secret but i think that in videos such as loose change some, of the stuff isnt all facts because the film makers have ther own agenda, its sad but true. "in plan site" slows everything down, with the pentagon attack. i was previously bringing up the video loose change and i never should have, because theres more credible videos hell theres even award winning documentrys out there. there's about 70 reasons why what you think happend on 9/11 was bull shit, some off them might have been made up or stretched, this is one reason that people see this shit as wacky, i guess but. the pentagon stuff, disprove it, try it, a plane would have blown the cars off the road and had to skeed into it pluss there was a 12 foot hole before the hole thing collapesed. cnn said it didnt look like a plan hit it, so did the fire fighters, how the hell did a 737 fit into a 12ft hole, that and the fact that bulidings dont fall at free fall speeds due to fires, thats ALL I NEED, disprove all the other bs, and i wouldnt care tell me how a 737 fit into a 12ft hole as well, keep in mind that tower7 fell at free fall speeds and it wasnt hit by a plane, some of the ideas out there are bs but as long as some of them are true, then the governemt is hidding something

     
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    Big Plane, Small Holes

    Claim: Two holes were visible in the Pentagon immediately after the attack: a 75-ft.-wide entry hole in the building's exterior wall, and a 16-ft.-wide hole in Ring C, the Pentagon's middle ring. Conspiracy theorists claim both holes are far too small to have been made by a Boeing 757. "How does a plane 125 ft. wide and 155 ft. long fit into a hole which is only 16 ft. across?" asks reopen911.org, a Web site "dedicated to discovering the bottom line truth to what really occurred on September 11, 2001."

    The truth is of even less importance to French author Thierry Meyssan, whose baseless assertions are fodder for even mainstream European and Middle Eastern media. In his book The Big Lie, Meyssan concludes that the Pentagon was struck by a satellite-guided missile  part of an elaborate U.S. military coup. "This attack," he writes, "could only be committed by United States military personnel against other U.S. military personnel."

    FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

    Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

    The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide  not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.

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    Claim: Two holes were visible in the Pentagon immediately after the attack: a 75-ft.-wide entry hole in the building's exterior wall, and a 16-ft.-wide hole in Ring C, the Pentagon's middle ring. Conspiracy theorists claim both holes are far too small to have been made by a Boeing 757. "How does a plane 125 ft. wide and 155 ft. long fit into a hole which is only 16 ft. across?" asks reopen911.org, a Web site "dedicated to discovering the bottom line truth to what really occurred on September 11, 2001."

    The truth is of even less importance to French author Thierry Meyssan, whose baseless assertions are fodder for even mainstream European and Middle Eastern media. In his book The Big Lie, Meyssan concludes that the Pentagon was struck by a satellite-guided missile  part of an elaborate U.S. military coup. "This attack," he writes, "could only be committed by United States military personnel against other U.S. military personnel."

    FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

    Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

    The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide  not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.

     
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    WTC 7 Collapse

    Claim: Seven hours after the two towers fell, the 47-story WTC 7 collapsed. According to 911review.org: "The video clearly shows that it was not a collapse subsequent to a fire, but rather a controlled demolition: amongst the Internet investigators, the jury is in on this one."
    FACT: Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom — approximately 10 stories — about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.

    NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.

    According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."

    There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.

    Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."

    WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors — along with the building's unusual construction — were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.
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    Claim: Seven hours after the two towers fell, the 47-story WTC 7 collapsed. According to 911review.org: "The video clearly shows that it was not a collapse subsequent to a fire, but rather a controlled demolition: amongst the Internet investigators, the jury is in on this one."
    FACT: Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom — approximately 10 stories — about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.

    NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.

    According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."

    There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.

    Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."

    WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors — along with the building's unusual construction — were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.
     
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    Let me know what else you need. . . .

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    Let me know what else you need. . . .

     
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    It's really easy to get on the internet and cut and paste shit.

    I am still waiting for someone to explain to me how several buildings have a "chain reaction collapse" and fall at free fall speed. How can that happen?

    Let me save you the trouble of looking it up....it can't.

    Do you not find it odd that the President and Vice President would be allowed to tesitfy to the 9/11 Commission under the following guide lines.... 1) Not under oath 2) No media or family present 3) They would tesity at the same time 4) No recording devices of any kind and the list goes on....

    So I ask you another question...who in the world would REFUSE to testify under oath....

    Simple answer....that would be a liar. I have a problem with the President and Vice President being able to "testify" without having to tell the truth. You should too. Stop being a sheep, turn off your tv, and pull your head out of your ass.

    Government only goes to war when it wants to.

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    It's really easy to get on the internet and cut and paste shit.

    I am still waiting for someone to explain to me how several buildings have a "chain reaction collapse" and fall at free fall speed. How can that happen?

    Let me save you the trouble of looking it up....it can't.

    Do you not find it odd that the President and Vice President would be allowed to tesitfy to the 9/11 Commission under the following guide lines.... 1) Not under oath 2) No media or family present 3) They would tesity at the same time 4) No recording devices of any kind and the list goes on....

    So I ask you another question...who in the world would REFUSE to testify under oath....

    Simple answer....that would be a liar. I have a problem with the President and Vice President being able to "testify" without having to tell the truth. You should too. Stop being a sheep, turn off your tv, and pull your head out of your ass.

    Government only goes to war when it wants to.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 25, 2008 - 2:52 PM ET #123

    It's been said a million times, but why the hell can't they release a clear video that actually shows a plane hitting the pentagon? There are hundreds of cameras watching the building so where is the footage?
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    It's been said a million times, but why the hell can't they release a clear video that actually shows a plane hitting the pentagon? There are hundreds of cameras watching the building so where is the footage?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by PayDaJuice:

    Let me know what else you need. . . .

    that didnt answer anything "a chain collapse? wtf, im a fire fire fighter, theres others on here what the hell is that, anyone" buldings dont fall at free fall speeds, look into it, i cant belive thats the best our government came come up with, "a chain collapse" why didnt the whole city fall then from your magic then omg read before you post

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    Let me know what else you need. . . .

    that didnt answer anything "a chain collapse? wtf, im a fire fire fighter, theres others on here what the hell is that, anyone" buldings dont fall at free fall speeds, look into it, i cant belive thats the best our government came come up with, "a chain collapse" why didnt the whole city fall then from your magic then omg read before you post

     
     
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    come on guy . . .. come on  . .lets get serious here lol  . .

    No matter what explanation I came back with, you would have considered it wrong. Facts are facts. Every single building in downtown Manhattan was on “watch”. Half of Bul#7 was crushed. Come on, what more of a explanation do you want . . .

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    come on guy . . .. come on  . .lets get serious here lol  . .

    No matter what explanation I came back with, you would have considered it wrong. Facts are facts. Every single building in downtown Manhattan was on “watch”. Half of Bul#7 was crushed. Come on, what more of a explanation do you want . . .

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