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jo14014

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Posted: Feb. 18, 2013 - 5:46 PM ET #51

Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:

The player DID tell customer service. That's the point.

He kept on playing knowingly that an honest mistake was made, you can't do that....and that's why he's the only one we're all clammering about.....

earthWake

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Posted: Feb. 18, 2013 - 5:46 PM ET #52

Quote Originally Posted by jo14014:

we are blinded by the aftermath.....player wins a lot is not the point....player taking advantage of a mistake is the point but to say mistakes don't happen is unrealistic....This player is not the only one winning but I believe is the only one called out because of this mistake....grading mistakes happen and I believe it's the players responsibility to let the book know of a grading mistake and correct it immediately. I once asked why does the book offer a split squad spring training(ss)game and the answer is because they can and if you bet it and won you win but if you bet it and loses you lose. You might think it's a mistake for them to offer those games but it's not under their rules....

disgaree...STRONGLY.

jo14014

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Posted: Feb. 18, 2013 - 5:53 PM ET #53

it's really simple to me.....Player makes a wager and realizes the odds are wrong But....continues to go enter it knowingly it should be voided originally...everything else that happened afterwards is irrelevant....it's not how much he is capable of winning it's how much he thinks he can get away with by not correcting the mistake at once.

earthWake

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Posted: Feb. 18, 2013 - 5:59 PM ET #54

Its not the players obligation to jam a ruling down customer service's throat after they assured him everything is fine.

It is 100% customer services fault. Thats who the manager should be mad at.

TheGoldenGoose

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Posted: Feb. 18, 2013 - 6:02 PM ET #55

Look, he TOLD customer service. They checked it and OK'd him to continue. How is it HIS fault? How many times should he tell them? Twice? Three times, More?

Tony Williams is an azzhole.

PAY THE MAN HIS MONEY.

~~~~~ZOSO~~~~~

jo14014

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Posted: Feb. 18, 2013 - 6:09 PM ET #56

Ask yourself this.....why is this player the only one with this kind of issue? You might say because of the high amount he attained but in order for him to attain this was for him to try to get away with a clear mistake which he thought he could....The timing might be off but the clarity is clear here and if I was a JUDGE in this ruling it's all about the line error and it clearly states in the rules section all wagers/bets should be corrected immediately and it's the players responsibility to go to the highest power/authority to avoid any further problems in this matter....and if Mr. Williams honored this wager himself then we won't have an issue....

earthWake

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Posted: Feb. 18, 2013 - 6:13 PM ET #57

Then why even have customer service if they mean nothing.

Why not direct everything to this D-bag Tony?

I'm done with this thread. 5 dimes makes millions an they are trying to screw a player out of 10g.

Would never ever ever put another cent in this crooked book. ever

jo14014

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Posted: Feb. 18, 2013 - 6:19 PM ET #58

this player says he went to customer service and they didn't do much but blink an eye but he himself knew it wasn't the right thing and what do we really know, maybe he didn't go to customer service for all we know.but that's besides the point. and to reitterate the point of all this is the line error was clear and the player still played on knowingly.just my 2 cents.

TheGoldenGoose

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Posted: Feb. 18, 2013 - 6:25 PM ET #59

Quote Originally Posted by earthWake:

Then why even have customer service if they mean nothing.

Why not direct everything to this D-bag Tony?

I'm done with this thread. 5 dimes makes millions an they are trying to screw a player out of 10g.

Would never ever ever put another cent in this crooked book. ever

Exactly.

Had my argument with Tony 7 years ago and never looked back.

I done with this thread also.

~~~~~ZOSO~~~~~

LanceLogan

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Posted: Feb. 18, 2013 - 6:26 PM ET #60

Got news for ya ALL the books are crooked one way or another, they cut limits to winning players, they charge withdrawl fees, Betfair even charges a goddamn deposit fee.

Anyways it's possible the manger works out of his home office in the states somewhere. Bodog used to have a office in Burnaby Canada, SI is out of a indian reservation in Quebec, it's the money transactions that are done in a foreign country just out of reach from US authorities.

jo14014

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Posted: Feb. 18, 2013 - 6:36 PM ET #61

Can't abuse the system...even if we feel the system(gov.)abuses us. Pinnacle left the US market I believe of the Abusers in the USA. More corrupt then anywhere else. The limits were higher and they Americans can't seem to control themselves hence the abusing ways and now we all are cheated in America..There is a reason why Black and White folk have the highest divorce rate in the world..hence another abusing quality that most other countries can't understand and or don't want to understand. Why aren't there more Vegases around the US so the Americans could benefit more from this. One reason their government and their blindness to their so called free world.

LanceLogan

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Posted: Feb. 18, 2013 - 6:50 PM ET #62

No Pinnacle left the US to save their own behind, they are a major player in the Asian and Europe markets, why risk everything over the states.

jo14014

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Posted: Feb. 18, 2013 - 6:57 PM ET #63

so you're saying the black and white folk win more automatically and that pinnacle didn't know this before they entered the US market? An American Idol-so u think u can can rumble- some other show who had Piers and Sharon judging are all-america's rotten talent displayed...british run I believe in the US market...see the correlation to Pinnacle? only difference is only 1 winner and lotz of defeatedness...

LanceLogan

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Posted: Feb. 18, 2013 - 7:10 PM ET #64

seriously what the f*ck you talking about, Pinnacle left the US market because the US govt. threatened to go after them and seize their accounts, that's it. here's a link about Bodog's problems.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/02/29/bodog-calvin-ayre-indicted.html

jo14014

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Posted: Feb. 18, 2013 - 7:12 PM ET #65

An american survivor also british influenced not sure about big/bigger/biggest brother though or an amazing racist(joking)

jo14014

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Posted: Feb. 18, 2013 - 7:15 PM ET #66

Quote Originally Posted by LanceLogan:

seriously what the f*ck you talking about, Pinnacle left the US market because the US govt. threatened to go after them and seize their accounts, that's it. here's a link about Bodog's problems.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/02/29/bodog-calvin-ayre-indicted.html

the point is USA customers abused it.....and their govt. is also wacked...look at what France has done too......

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Posted: Feb. 18, 2013 - 7:57 PM ET #67

Quote Originally Posted by jo14014:

so you're saying the black and white folk win more automatically and that pinnacle didn't know this before they entered the US market? An American Idol-so u think u can can rumble- some other show who had Piers and Sharon judging are all-america's rotten talent displayed...british run I believe in the US market...see the correlation to Pinnacle? only difference is only 1 winner and lotz of defeatedness...

What in the hell are you trying to say ?

BIGfnPOO

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Posted: Feb. 18, 2013 - 8:10 PM ET #68

5 dimes lost my business the day iread this last week, i was all ready to sign up, came on covers to get a bonus code and the posts were everywhere, i could not open the acct after reading this. thanks Covers.com the best site in the world!!!!

bigFnPOO

jo14014

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Posted: Feb. 18, 2013 - 8:27 PM ET #69

I don't really care one way or another really....the bottom line is it's your own money and you take your own risks no matter what it is. whether it's at propbet or some other site.

MrTuttle05

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Posted: Feb. 18, 2013 - 8:33 PM ET #70

This thread was entertaining until "jo" hijacked it...

...and then stupidity ensued.

FrozenTundra

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Posted: Feb. 18, 2013 - 10:13 PM ET #71

Tony is sticking to his belief that no money would have been won if it wasn't for the 3900, which is potentially true.

However, the player took that 4800 (3900 + 900 deposit) and took that to a cash out of 10K and still had money left over. He then took that to 32000+. 32000+10000 = 42,000. Say he won 40000 total, he won a 4k bet which he shouldn't of, so he multiplied his money 10 fold.

I would tell Tony, we are even. Since he increase his balance by 10x. 10x his 900 deposit is 9000. He took out 10k, so roughly 1k difference.

If I were the player, I'd tell Tony we're even. Keep the balance and I'll keep the 10k that I withdrew and get lost, based on the math above. The player needs to be firm and walk away. He shouldn't piss these offshore guys off. It's 10k, so not enough to send anyone after him, but if he pushes, it could get ugly.

Player is in the right.
Tony is using threat tactics to get his company the money back based on what his closed mind believes about the incorrect wager.

Hope this ends quickly.

mafioso

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Posted: Feb. 19, 2013 - 12:45 AM ET #72

Now I know for a fact some of these offshore outfits have shills on these boards.

Anyone who dares defends Tony's behavior regarding the threats he made towards this man or disregarding that fact entirely is either a shill or a piece of human trash just like Tony.

wizardofroz

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Posted: Feb. 19, 2013 - 1:57 AM ET #73

Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:

Look, he TOLD customer service. They checked it and OK'd him to continue. How is it HIS fault? How many times should he tell them? Twice? Three times, More?

Tony Williams is an azzhole.

PAY THE MAN HIS MONEY.

Tony should be offering to have HIS legs broken along with a severe beating, instead of the other way around.

wizardofroz

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Posted: Feb. 19, 2013 - 2:00 AM ET #74

Quote Originally Posted by FrozenTundra:

Tony is sticking to his belief that no money would have been won if it wasn't for the 3900, which is potentially true.

However, the player took that 4800 (3900 + 900 deposit) and took that to a cash out of 10K and still had money left over. He then took that to 32000+. 32000+10000 = 42,000. Say he won 40000 total, he won a 4k bet which he shouldn't of, so he multiplied his money 10 fold.

I would tell Tony, we are even. Since he increase his balance by 10x. 10x his 900 deposit is 9000. He took out 10k, so roughly 1k difference.

If I were the player, I'd tell Tony we're even. Keep the balance and I'll keep the 10k that I withdrew and get lost, based on the math above. The player needs to be firm and walk away. He shouldn't piss these offshore guys off. It's 10k, so not enough to send anyone after him, but if he pushes, it could get ugly.

Player is in the right.
Tony is using threat tactics to get his company the money back based on what his closed mind believes about the incorrect wager.

Hope this ends quickly.

That is a decent compromise, since the player already received 10K. But I think Tony should still send the player about 10K more and then call it even.

thorpe

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Posted: Feb. 19, 2013 - 10:24 AM ET #75

Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:

That is a decent compromise, since the player already received 10K. But I think Tony should still send the player about 10K more and then call it even.

That is like if a burglar breaks into your home, finds 30K in cash, accidentally drops 20K on the way out the window, then calls you up to ask for another 10K, saying he will split with you.

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