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    If Christ died on the cross for all of humanity

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    KittyKatz286
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 8:01 PM ET #2051

    ROSTOS, STOP MAKING THE SAME ARGUMENTS.

    You keep talking about THIS NATURAL UNIVERSE. Tell me Rostos: WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE THERE IS A WORLD BEYOND THIS ONE?

    2. You are right because THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ABSOLUTE MORALITY.

    3. Logic can be trusted because it's based solely on things in this world. We don't invent facts.

    4. Jesus did not rise from the dead. As Mike Ditka would say: stop it.
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    ROSTOS, STOP MAKING THE SAME ARGUMENTS.

    You keep talking about THIS NATURAL UNIVERSE. Tell me Rostos: WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE THERE IS A WORLD BEYOND THIS ONE?

    2. You are right because THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ABSOLUTE MORALITY.

    3. Logic can be trusted because it's based solely on things in this world. We don't invent facts.

    4. Jesus did not rise from the dead. As Mike Ditka would say: stop it.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 8:04 PM ET #2052

    Only the Christian faith considers Jesus Christ as divine ....  I think he was a good person who preached peace in a time of great violence and turmoil. He in my opinion was the Martin Luther King Jr. of his time.... Gandhi was another man who stood on those principals.

    Since that tolerance attitude is so rare... it sticks out in our minds and we don't forget those type of people.

    Keep in mind that Jesus was Jewish and they don't consider him divine

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    Only the Christian faith considers Jesus Christ as divine ....  I think he was a good person who preached peace in a time of great violence and turmoil. He in my opinion was the Martin Luther King Jr. of his time.... Gandhi was another man who stood on those principals.

    Since that tolerance attitude is so rare... it sticks out in our minds and we don't forget those type of people.

    Keep in mind that Jesus was Jewish and they don't consider him divine

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 8:18 PM ET #2053

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Confirmation bias. Now that we know, you are looking to interpret the bible as confirming what we know.

    Smoothd - just stop. I'm sorry your brain is too small to comprehend math. I'm sorry your brain is too small to comprehend the fact that you are making the claim that something invisible exists. You don't deserve our time or attention.
    Because you're a coward that has chosen to believe the lies of atheism makes me small minded? Now how much sense does that make. The only small mind here is yours because you actually believe the arrogant BS that you speak. Let me know how that scrabble board turns out. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Confirmation bias. Now that we know, you are looking to interpret the bible as confirming what we know.

    Smoothd - just stop. I'm sorry your brain is too small to comprehend math. I'm sorry your brain is too small to comprehend the fact that you are making the claim that something invisible exists. You don't deserve our time or attention.
    Because you're a coward that has chosen to believe the lies of atheism makes me small minded? Now how much sense does that make. The only small mind here is yours because you actually believe the arrogant BS that you speak. Let me know how that scrabble board turns out. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 8:20 PM ET #2054

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Implications of atheistic belief

    1. Things can pop into existence uncaused, by nothing, for nothing in this natural universe.

    2. Absence of moral values. Raping, shitting on, pissing on, and murdering little girls is NOT absolutely wrong. Opinion on wether raping, shitting on, pissing on and murdering little girls is no different to 2 people sitting down debating wether Kobe is better than Lebron. It is really one persons opinion over the other.Neither is absolutely right, neither is absolutely wrong.

    3. Logic that the atheist thinks he has, cannot be trusted.

    4. Atheists deny the majority of opinions of historical scholars regarding the historicity of Jesus Christ.

    If you are going to answer back to this post, try to debunk the arguments, dont reply "you are an idiot, sky daddy, you are a loser"...Play the argument, not the man



    You really wanna talk about atheists being immoral?!?

    The Bible may, indeed does, contain a warrant for trafficking in humans, for ethnic cleansing, for slavery, for bride-price, and for indiscriminate massacre, but we are not bound by any of it because it was put together by crude, uncultured human mammals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Implications of atheistic belief

    1. Things can pop into existence uncaused, by nothing, for nothing in this natural universe.

    2. Absence of moral values. Raping, shitting on, pissing on, and murdering little girls is NOT absolutely wrong. Opinion on wether raping, shitting on, pissing on and murdering little girls is no different to 2 people sitting down debating wether Kobe is better than Lebron. It is really one persons opinion over the other.Neither is absolutely right, neither is absolutely wrong.

    3. Logic that the atheist thinks he has, cannot be trusted.

    4. Atheists deny the majority of opinions of historical scholars regarding the historicity of Jesus Christ.

    If you are going to answer back to this post, try to debunk the arguments, dont reply "you are an idiot, sky daddy, you are a loser"...Play the argument, not the man



    You really wanna talk about atheists being immoral?!?

    The Bible may, indeed does, contain a warrant for trafficking in humans, for ethnic cleansing, for slavery, for bride-price, and for indiscriminate massacre, but we are not bound by any of it because it was put together by crude, uncultured human mammals.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 8:25 PM ET #2055

    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Because you're a coward that has chosen to believe the lies of atheism makes me small minded? Now how much sense does that make. The only small mind here is yours because you actually believe the arrogant BS that you speak. Let me know how that scrabble board turns out. 

    You must have a pair to call other people small-minded.  While the logical people of the world search for answers and the truth, you can sit in your religious cocoon because it makes you feel better that you think there is someone watching over you and the people in your life.  Which of us is believing in "BS"?  You believe in something based on NOTHING because it is convenient for you.  Maybe you should try thinking for yourself for once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Because you're a coward that has chosen to believe the lies of atheism makes me small minded? Now how much sense does that make. The only small mind here is yours because you actually believe the arrogant BS that you speak. Let me know how that scrabble board turns out. 

    You must have a pair to call other people small-minded.  While the logical people of the world search for answers and the truth, you can sit in your religious cocoon because it makes you feel better that you think there is someone watching over you and the people in your life.  Which of us is believing in "BS"?  You believe in something based on NOTHING because it is convenient for you.  Maybe you should try thinking for yourself for once.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 8:40 PM ET #2056

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    You must have a pair to call other people small-minded.  While the logical people of the world search for answers and the truth, you can sit in your religious cocoon because it makes you feel better that you think there is someone watching over you and the people in your life.  Which of us is believing in "BS"?  You believe in something based on NOTHING because it is convenient for you.  Maybe you should try thinking for yourself for once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    You must have a pair to call other people small-minded.  While the logical people of the world search for answers and the truth, you can sit in your religious cocoon because it makes you feel better that you think there is someone watching over you and the people in your life.  Which of us is believing in "BS"?  You believe in something based on NOTHING because it is convenient for you.  Maybe you should try thinking for yourself for once.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 8:48 PM ET #2057

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    SJD - just because you claim to know and I don't doesn't add any credibility to your claim

    And claiming I can't say god came from nothing because he is eternal is unfair because you have no evidence that god is eternal.

    My claim to know is based on numerous sources. I have done my research and it is obvious you haven't done yours sufficiently enough or possibly are in denial of the information that you may have already researched and read through viable sources that are easily accessible to everyone.

    There are philosophical, scientific, biblical (archaeological findings, life of Jesus Christ and His twelve disciples, etc.) evidences that support my claim making it highly credible which gives validity to the claim.

    You can't always be in denial your whole life kk. Everybody's time is ticking away and someday that ticking will stop, don't be one of the many multitudes of unfortunate ones that get caught rejecting Jesus Christ as their Lord Savior all their life at Judgment Day simply because they can't find any real solid proof of the existence of Almighty God.

    The evidences are there so you can't lie to the Lord at Judgment Day saying you weren't aware and should be forgiven...it won't work!

    How is telling the truth unfair, God is eternal and again there are evidences of this being true. Go do your research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    SJD - just because you claim to know and I don't doesn't add any credibility to your claim

    And claiming I can't say god came from nothing because he is eternal is unfair because you have no evidence that god is eternal.

    My claim to know is based on numerous sources. I have done my research and it is obvious you haven't done yours sufficiently enough or possibly are in denial of the information that you may have already researched and read through viable sources that are easily accessible to everyone.

    There are philosophical, scientific, biblical (archaeological findings, life of Jesus Christ and His twelve disciples, etc.) evidences that support my claim making it highly credible which gives validity to the claim.

    You can't always be in denial your whole life kk. Everybody's time is ticking away and someday that ticking will stop, don't be one of the many multitudes of unfortunate ones that get caught rejecting Jesus Christ as their Lord Savior all their life at Judgment Day simply because they can't find any real solid proof of the existence of Almighty God.

    The evidences are there so you can't lie to the Lord at Judgment Day saying you weren't aware and should be forgiven...it won't work!

    How is telling the truth unfair, God is eternal and again there are evidences of this being true. Go do your research.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 8:50 PM ET #2058

    The so called "evidence" is not convincing to me. Is that so wrong?
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    The so called "evidence" is not convincing to me. Is that so wrong?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 9:01 PM ET #2059

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    The so called "evidence" is not convincing to me. Is that so wrong?

    Just because something is PRESENTED as evidence, doesn't make it evidence...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    The so called "evidence" is not convincing to me. Is that so wrong?

    Just because something is PRESENTED as evidence, doesn't make it evidence...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 9:15 PM ET #2060

    There's that denial of the evidences I knew was coming from kk and his buddy mikniks...lol

    Oh well, I guess those statements both of you just made will have to be directed to the Lord at Judgment Day.

     

     

     

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    There's that denial of the evidences I knew was coming from kk and his buddy mikniks...lol

    Oh well, I guess those statements both of you just made will have to be directed to the Lord at Judgment Day.

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 9:20 PM ET #2061

    God doesn't scare me lol.
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    God doesn't scare me lol.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 9:22 PM ET #2062

    The only thing more befuddling than people who believe in god are people who are surprised that people don't believe in god.
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    The only thing more befuddling than people who believe in god are people who are surprised that people don't believe in god.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 9:32 PM ET #2063

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    There's that denial of the evidences I knew was coming from kk and his buddy mikniks...lol

    Oh well, I guess those statements both of you just made will have to be directed to the Lord at Judgment Day.

     

     

     


    Clearly you're not educated enough to understand, so I'll try again...  The "evidence" you are submitting is based solely on OPINION so it cannot be used as evidence.  Using the bible to prove god is called circular logic.  Now I know I'll have to explain that to you too SJD...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    There's that denial of the evidences I knew was coming from kk and his buddy mikniks...lol

    Oh well, I guess those statements both of you just made will have to be directed to the Lord at Judgment Day.

     

     

     


    Clearly you're not educated enough to understand, so I'll try again...  The "evidence" you are submitting is based solely on OPINION so it cannot be used as evidence.  Using the bible to prove god is called circular logic.  Now I know I'll have to explain that to you too SJD...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 9:42 PM ET #2064

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    The only thing more befuddling than people who believe in god are people who are surprised that people don't believe in god.

    Well I'm not one of them, so I'm not surprised at all, there is evidence of this coming from me, if you read my post #2058 I said,

    "don't be one of the many multitudes of unfortunate ones that get caught rejecting Jesus Christ as their Lord Savior all their life at Judgment Day simply because they can't find any real solid proof of the existence of Almighty God."

    Besides Jesus Christ already told us when He said,

     "You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and onl a few ever find it" (Matthew 7:13-14).

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    The only thing more befuddling than people who believe in god are people who are surprised that people don't believe in god.

    Well I'm not one of them, so I'm not surprised at all, there is evidence of this coming from me, if you read my post #2058 I said,

    "don't be one of the many multitudes of unfortunate ones that get caught rejecting Jesus Christ as their Lord Savior all their life at Judgment Day simply because they can't find any real solid proof of the existence of Almighty God."

    Besides Jesus Christ already told us when He said,

     "You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and onl a few ever find it" (Matthew 7:13-14).

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 9:43 PM ET #2065

    That's not what I mean and you know that. Do you understand rationally and logically based on the world we live in why we don't believe in god?
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    That's not what I mean and you know that. Do you understand rationally and logically based on the world we live in why we don't believe in god?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 9:46 PM ET #2066

    Correction: and only a few ever find it....

     

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    Correction: and only a few ever find it....

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 10:06 PM ET #2067

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    If I were to invent a god, my god would stop murder. It's really quite easy. If you murder, god will judge whether the murder was justified. If it was not, he strikes you dead on the spot. I feel like that would stop murder real fast. But...since the christian god allows murder to occur and doesn't punish murderers, the christian god implicitly condones murder, and therefore, is an asshole.

    You have been here long enough to know the answer. Do you have a bad memory or what?

    God gives everyone "free will"...now write that down in your diary or log book kk so you don't forget...lol

     I know Rostos and I have told you numerous times that God allows free will, so you can choose to do what is righteous or what is evil.

    Oh and those murderers you were talking about...they will not get away with it.

    So that saying about "some people committ perfect murders" is not true at all, I mean they might get away with it here on earth but not in the next life when they have to deal with God and His just punishments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    If I were to invent a god, my god would stop murder. It's really quite easy. If you murder, god will judge whether the murder was justified. If it was not, he strikes you dead on the spot. I feel like that would stop murder real fast. But...since the christian god allows murder to occur and doesn't punish murderers, the christian god implicitly condones murder, and therefore, is an asshole.

    You have been here long enough to know the answer. Do you have a bad memory or what?

    God gives everyone "free will"...now write that down in your diary or log book kk so you don't forget...lol

     I know Rostos and I have told you numerous times that God allows free will, so you can choose to do what is righteous or what is evil.

    Oh and those murderers you were talking about...they will not get away with it.

    So that saying about "some people committ perfect murders" is not true at all, I mean they might get away with it here on earth but not in the next life when they have to deal with God and His just punishments.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 10:08 PM ET #2068

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    You have been here long enough to know the answer. Do you have a bad memory or what?

    God gives everyone "free will"...now write that down in your diary or log book kk so you don't forget...lol

     I know Rostos and I have told you numerous times that God allows free will, so you can choose to do what is righteous or what is evil.

    Oh and those murderers you were talking about...they will not get away with it.

    So that saying about "some people committ perfect murders" is not true at all, I mean they might get away with it here on earth but not in the next life when they have to deal with God and His just punishments.


    Thou shall not kill, unless god tells you to...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    You have been here long enough to know the answer. Do you have a bad memory or what?

    God gives everyone "free will"...now write that down in your diary or log book kk so you don't forget...lol

     I know Rostos and I have told you numerous times that God allows free will, so you can choose to do what is righteous or what is evil.

    Oh and those murderers you were talking about...they will not get away with it.

    So that saying about "some people committ perfect murders" is not true at all, I mean they might get away with it here on earth but not in the next life when they have to deal with God and His just punishments.


    Thou shall not kill, unless god tells you to...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 10:58 PM ET #2069

    Well maybe god should have removed murder from the free will equation.
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    Well maybe god should have removed murder from the free will equation.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 11:02 PM ET #2070

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    You really wanna talk about atheists being immoral?!?

    The Bible may, indeed does, contain a warrant for trafficking in humans, for ethnic cleansing, for slavery, for bride-price, and for indiscriminate massacre, but we are not bound by any of it because it was put together by crude, uncultured human mammals.

    I didnt mean atheists are immoral, my bad, the word that should have been inserted was "absolute"...You could see from the rest of my argument that is what i meant....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    You really wanna talk about atheists being immoral?!?

    The Bible may, indeed does, contain a warrant for trafficking in humans, for ethnic cleansing, for slavery, for bride-price, and for indiscriminate massacre, but we are not bound by any of it because it was put together by crude, uncultured human mammals.

    I didnt mean atheists are immoral, my bad, the word that should have been inserted was "absolute"...You could see from the rest of my argument that is what i meant....

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 11:12 PM ET #2071

    At the end of the day EVERYONE and ANYONE is FREE to BELIEVE what they want, how they want, where they want.

    BUT,

    Dont for one minute think, that atheists are the pinnacle of reason and logic and science.....Far far far far from it, its almost laughable.

    Not only science cannot eliminate God, but science actually points to something beyond out realm. 

    I have presented these arguments time and time again, and continually get dodged time and time again.

    The responses i recieve are based on emotion, and a completely different concept of what God should be.

    Before i came on this site, i wondered how God could send people to hell, looking at the responses at blasphemy that is directed towards God, i can certainly see how send souls to hell for eternity....

    Good luck

     

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    At the end of the day EVERYONE and ANYONE is FREE to BELIEVE what they want, how they want, where they want.

    BUT,

    Dont for one minute think, that atheists are the pinnacle of reason and logic and science.....Far far far far from it, its almost laughable.

    Not only science cannot eliminate God, but science actually points to something beyond out realm. 

    I have presented these arguments time and time again, and continually get dodged time and time again.

    The responses i recieve are based on emotion, and a completely different concept of what God should be.

    Before i came on this site, i wondered how God could send people to hell, looking at the responses at blasphemy that is directed towards God, i can certainly see how send souls to hell for eternity....

    Good luck

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 11:19 PM ET #2072

    It's nice to know your god's chief concern is what people think of him. What a little bitch he is. Maybe one day a better god will come along and kill your god and that better god will judge people based on their character as opposed to whether or not they "like" him.
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    It's nice to know your god's chief concern is what people think of him. What a little bitch he is. Maybe one day a better god will come along and kill your god and that better god will judge people based on their character as opposed to whether or not they "like" him.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 11:20 PM ET #2073

    Furthermore, to non believers,

    I see absolutely NO REASON why non believers are trying to convince believers that God doesnt exist. It isnt rational at all.

    The main central teachings of Christianity is to love everyone and anyone regardless. I am not saying you have to be Christian to do this, but alot of people including myself follow this central teaching and we get our morals from the ten commandments which if followed to the letter of the law, would create a much much better world. There is absolutely no upside in to the non believer in trying to tell a Christian that God doesnt exist, non whatsoever.

    Someone once said here the 10 commandments are outdated, lololol, like which one, do not murder or steal?

    So the question will always remain, why do they try?

    As i have stated thousands of times here, there is that bit of insecurity i feel about atheists that they know deep down what they claim to believe is false, hence the reason to try and bring others down with them...

     

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    Furthermore, to non believers,

    I see absolutely NO REASON why non believers are trying to convince believers that God doesnt exist. It isnt rational at all.

    The main central teachings of Christianity is to love everyone and anyone regardless. I am not saying you have to be Christian to do this, but alot of people including myself follow this central teaching and we get our morals from the ten commandments which if followed to the letter of the law, would create a much much better world. There is absolutely no upside in to the non believer in trying to tell a Christian that God doesnt exist, non whatsoever.

    Someone once said here the 10 commandments are outdated, lololol, like which one, do not murder or steal?

    So the question will always remain, why do they try?

    As i have stated thousands of times here, there is that bit of insecurity i feel about atheists that they know deep down what they claim to believe is false, hence the reason to try and bring others down with them...

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 11:22 PM ET #2074

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    It's nice to know your god's chief concern is what people think of him. What a little bitch he is. Maybe one day a better god will come along and kill your god and that better god will judge people based on their character as opposed to whether or not they "like" him.


    like me or go to a bad place 
    belief based on scare tactics 
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    It's nice to know your god's chief concern is what people think of him. What a little bitch he is. Maybe one day a better god will come along and kill your god and that better god will judge people based on their character as opposed to whether or not they "like" him.


    like me or go to a bad place 
    belief based on scare tactics 
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 11:27 PM ET #2075

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Furthermore, to non believers,

    I see absolutely NO REASON why non believers are trying to convince believers that God doesnt exist. It isnt rational at all.

    The main central teachings of Christianity is to love everyone and anyone regardless. I am not saying you have to be Christian to do this, but alot of people including myself follow this central teaching and we get our morals from the ten commandments which if followed to the letter of the law, would create a much much better world. There is absolutely no upside in to the non believer in trying to tell a Christian that God doesnt exist, non whatsoever.

    Someone once said here the 10 commandments are outdated, lololol, like which one, do not murder or steal?

    So the question will always remain, why do they try?

    As i have stated thousands of times here, there is that bit of insecurity i feel about atheists that they know deep down what they claim to believe is false, hence the reason to try and bring others down with them...

     


    Organized religion is one of the problems with the world.  Religion makes normally good people do despicable and disgraceful things...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Furthermore, to non believers,

    I see absolutely NO REASON why non believers are trying to convince believers that God doesnt exist. It isnt rational at all.

    The main central teachings of Christianity is to love everyone and anyone regardless. I am not saying you have to be Christian to do this, but alot of people including myself follow this central teaching and we get our morals from the ten commandments which if followed to the letter of the law, would create a much much better world. There is absolutely no upside in to the non believer in trying to tell a Christian that God doesnt exist, non whatsoever.

    Someone once said here the 10 commandments are outdated, lololol, like which one, do not murder or steal?

    So the question will always remain, why do they try?

    As i have stated thousands of times here, there is that bit of insecurity i feel about atheists that they know deep down what they claim to believe is false, hence the reason to try and bring others down with them...

     


    Organized religion is one of the problems with the world.  Religion makes normally good people do despicable and disgraceful things...
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