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    KittyKatz286
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 12:10 AM ET #1976

    My conclusion is that NOTHING exists outside of space and time because there is no evidence that there is anything beyond this particular space and time. Until proven otherwise, I have no reason to believe otherwise.
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    My conclusion is that NOTHING exists outside of space and time because there is no evidence that there is anything beyond this particular space and time. Until proven otherwise, I have no reason to believe otherwise.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 12:11 AM ET #1977

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    What does one have to do with the other?  Regardless of whether or not a god exists, it does not affect the fact that i think it can help people lead better lives...

    Santa Claus does not exist, but wouldn't you say that for children, belief in him makes christmas better for them??

    That is my point.  Belief in god can help people live better lives, which is fine, but that doesnt mean theyre right...

    My question to you is, what is your motive for trying to tell people God doesnt exist? hypothetically, if you knew for a FACT that God doesnt exist, but you saw people who believe in God act and are good people because of this belief and you knew if they found out the truth, then they would become "less good" people, what could be the motivating factor for people like you telling believers that God doesnt exist?

    Once they die, are the believers going to be dissapointed? Are they going to be angry at you that you never told them the truth?

    What is it to you? If anything, it would be detremental for you to tell them the truth, because if you did and convinced them, then there is a very good chance they become "less better" people...

    It is only a loss loss situation for you..

    It is irrational for an atheist to try and convince a theist that God doesnt exist...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    What does one have to do with the other?  Regardless of whether or not a god exists, it does not affect the fact that i think it can help people lead better lives...

    Santa Claus does not exist, but wouldn't you say that for children, belief in him makes christmas better for them??

    That is my point.  Belief in god can help people live better lives, which is fine, but that doesnt mean theyre right...

    My question to you is, what is your motive for trying to tell people God doesnt exist? hypothetically, if you knew for a FACT that God doesnt exist, but you saw people who believe in God act and are good people because of this belief and you knew if they found out the truth, then they would become "less good" people, what could be the motivating factor for people like you telling believers that God doesnt exist?

    Once they die, are the believers going to be dissapointed? Are they going to be angry at you that you never told them the truth?

    What is it to you? If anything, it would be detremental for you to tell them the truth, because if you did and convinced them, then there is a very good chance they become "less better" people...

    It is only a loss loss situation for you..

    It is irrational for an atheist to try and convince a theist that God doesnt exist...

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 12:20 AM ET #1978

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    My conclusion is that NOTHING exists outside of space and time because there is no evidence that there is anything beyond this particular space and time. Until proven otherwise, I have no reason to believe otherwise.

    I would agree with 100% if there was STILL NOTHING, ie, no universe, no nothing. But this is not the case.

    Things dont come into existence uncaused. In this case,the sign posts pointing to something beyond space and time andvery very strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    My conclusion is that NOTHING exists outside of space and time because there is no evidence that there is anything beyond this particular space and time. Until proven otherwise, I have no reason to believe otherwise.

    I would agree with 100% if there was STILL NOTHING, ie, no universe, no nothing. But this is not the case.

    Things dont come into existence uncaused. In this case,the sign posts pointing to something beyond space and time andvery very strong.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 12:29 AM ET #1979

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    My question to you is, what is your motive for trying to tell people God doesnt exist? hypothetically, if you knew for a FACT that God doesnt exist, but you saw people who believe in God act and are good people because of this belief and you knew if they found out the truth, then they would become "less good" people, what could be the motivating factor for people like you telling believers that God doesnt exist?

    Once they die, are the believers going to be dissapointed? Are they going to be angry at you that you never told them the truth?

    What is it to you? If anything, it would be detremental for you to tell them the truth, because if you did and convinced them, then there is a very good chance they become "less better" people...

    It is only a loss loss situation for you..

    It is irrational for an atheist to try and convince a theist that God doesnt exist...


    an atheist doesn't have to try and convince a theist that god doesn't exist....

    people that believe in make believe make irrational decisions...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    My question to you is, what is your motive for trying to tell people God doesnt exist? hypothetically, if you knew for a FACT that God doesnt exist, but you saw people who believe in God act and are good people because of this belief and you knew if they found out the truth, then they would become "less good" people, what could be the motivating factor for people like you telling believers that God doesnt exist?

    Once they die, are the believers going to be dissapointed? Are they going to be angry at you that you never told them the truth?

    What is it to you? If anything, it would be detremental for you to tell them the truth, because if you did and convinced them, then there is a very good chance they become "less better" people...

    It is only a loss loss situation for you..

    It is irrational for an atheist to try and convince a theist that God doesnt exist...


    an atheist doesn't have to try and convince a theist that god doesn't exist....

    people that believe in make believe make irrational decisions...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 12:35 AM ET #1980

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    an atheist doesn't have to try and convince a theist that god doesn't exist....
     
    Oh, and what have you and your friends been trying to do for 2000 posts....

    people that believe in make believe make irrational decisions...

    Like things popping to existence from nothing WITHOUT A MAGICIAN.....

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    an atheist doesn't have to try and convince a theist that god doesn't exist....
     
    Oh, and what have you and your friends been trying to do for 2000 posts....

    people that believe in make believe make irrational decisions...

    Like things popping to existence from nothing WITHOUT A MAGICIAN.....

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 12:45 AM ET #1981

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         Just passing by with a blunt in my hand.  Don't mind me  
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 12:48 AM ET #1982

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

     


    Atheist are not making the claim, they are rejecting it...

    "no one is tricking no one" 

    "people kill in the name of atheism"

    "bible writers are the greatest cappers"

    a man was born from a virgin, walked on water, died and then came back from the dead 

     everyone came from adam and eve 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

     


    Atheist are not making the claim, they are rejecting it...

    "no one is tricking no one" 

    "people kill in the name of atheism"

    "bible writers are the greatest cappers"

    a man was born from a virgin, walked on water, died and then came back from the dead 

     everyone came from adam and eve 

    rostos
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 1:01 AM ET #1983

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    Atheist are not making the claim, they are rejecting it...

    "no one is tricking no one" 

    "people kill in the name of atheism"

    "bible writers are the greatest cappers"

    a man was born from a virgin, walked on water, died and then came back from the dead 

     everyone came from adam and eve 

    rostos

    "Things popping into existence from nothing, by nothing , for nothing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    Atheist are not making the claim, they are rejecting it...

    "no one is tricking no one" 

    "people kill in the name of atheism"

    "bible writers are the greatest cappers"

    a man was born from a virgin, walked on water, died and then came back from the dead 

     everyone came from adam and eve 

    rostos

    "Things popping into existence from nothing, by nothing , for nothing".

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 1:02 AM ET #1984

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    I would agree with 100% if there was STILL NOTHING, ie, no universe, no nothing. But this is not the case.

    Things dont come into existence uncaused. In this case,the sign posts pointing to something beyond space and time andvery very strong.


    But you realize that at some point something HAD TO EXIST UNCAUSED. That doesn't have to be god though. And like I said, until evidence presents itself of something beyond this space and time, I reject the existence of a world beyond our own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    I would agree with 100% if there was STILL NOTHING, ie, no universe, no nothing. But this is not the case.

    Things dont come into existence uncaused. In this case,the sign posts pointing to something beyond space and time andvery very strong.


    But you realize that at some point something HAD TO EXIST UNCAUSED. That doesn't have to be god though. And like I said, until evidence presents itself of something beyond this space and time, I reject the existence of a world beyond our own.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 1:09 AM ET #1985

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    But you realize that at some point something HAD TO EXIST UNCAUSED. That doesn't have to be god though. And like I said, until evidence presents itself of something beyond this space and time, I reject the existence of a world beyond our own.

    yes, but it is not space, time or matter...It has to be eternal....naturalists donr believe in anything outside of space, time or matter

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:


    But you realize that at some point something HAD TO EXIST UNCAUSED. That doesn't have to be god though. And like I said, until evidence presents itself of something beyond this space and time, I reject the existence of a world beyond our own.

    yes, but it is not space, time or matter...It has to be eternal....naturalists donr believe in anything outside of space, time or matter

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 1:30 AM ET #1986

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Like things popping to existence from nothing WITHOUT A MAGICIAN.....

    In a nutshell that is basicly the stance atheists have to take if they don't believe in God.

    Oh but wait, kk has been telling us he doesn't know how it started...lol  poor guy doesn't even realize that if he believes God doesn't exist then he is actually saying that, "things just popped into existence from nothing without a magician."

    That doesn't sound like something I would want to argue for because clearly it is so illogical and not reasonable for any a sane, rational person who takes a first glance at that statement...why are they so blind that they can't see it?

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Like things popping to existence from nothing WITHOUT A MAGICIAN.....

    In a nutshell that is basicly the stance atheists have to take if they don't believe in God.

    Oh but wait, kk has been telling us he doesn't know how it started...lol  poor guy doesn't even realize that if he believes God doesn't exist then he is actually saying that, "things just popped into existence from nothing without a magician."

    That doesn't sound like something I would want to argue for because clearly it is so illogical and not reasonable for any a sane, rational person who takes a first glance at that statement...why are they so blind that they can't see it?

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 1:33 AM ET #1987

    Oh I know, it's because they are blind...lol

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    Oh I know, it's because they are blind...lol

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 1:53 AM ET #1988

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    In a nutshell that is basicly the stance atheists have to take if they don't believe in God.

    Oh but wait, kk has been telling us he doesn't know how it started...lol  poor guy doesn't even realize that if he believes God doesn't exist then he is actually saying that, "things just popped into existence from nothing without a magician."

    That doesn't sound like something I would want to argue for because clearly it is so illogical and not reasonable for any a sane, rational person who takes a first glance at that statement...why are they so blind that they can't see it?

     

     


    And the idea of harry potter living in the sky is very logical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    In a nutshell that is basicly the stance atheists have to take if they don't believe in God.

    Oh but wait, kk has been telling us he doesn't know how it started...lol  poor guy doesn't even realize that if he believes God doesn't exist then he is actually saying that, "things just popped into existence from nothing without a magician."

    That doesn't sound like something I would want to argue for because clearly it is so illogical and not reasonable for any a sane, rational person who takes a first glance at that statement...why are they so blind that they can't see it?

     

     


    And the idea of harry potter living in the sky is very logical.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 1:54 AM ET #1989

    You are aware that at the subatomic level, particles have been observed to randomly pop in and out of existence. The universe started with a subatomic particle. Who's to say the universe didn't start just like that?

    I don't understand why saying "I don't know" is such a crime to you guys.

    I'd rather believe things popped into existence out of nothing than god popped into existence out of nothing AND then made the universe out of nothing. Your belief requires two steps, ours only requires one.
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    You are aware that at the subatomic level, particles have been observed to randomly pop in and out of existence. The universe started with a subatomic particle. Who's to say the universe didn't start just like that?

    I don't understand why saying "I don't know" is such a crime to you guys.

    I'd rather believe things popped into existence out of nothing than god popped into existence out of nothing AND then made the universe out of nothing. Your belief requires two steps, ours only requires one.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 1:58 AM ET #1990

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    And the idea of harry potter living in the sky is very logical.

    Is this your own logical belief? Are you going to start a new religion based on harry?...lol

    Because if I'm not mistaken, the author of Harry Potter never made a claim saying Harry is for real...lol

    Go ahead stick with your harry claim, why don't you add santa, and the tooth fairy and zeus while you're at it?...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    And the idea of harry potter living in the sky is very logical.

    Is this your own logical belief? Are you going to start a new religion based on harry?...lol

    Because if I'm not mistaken, the author of Harry Potter never made a claim saying Harry is for real...lol

    Go ahead stick with your harry claim, why don't you add santa, and the tooth fairy and zeus while you're at it?...lol

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 2:01 AM ET #1991

    SJD your brain is too small to understand the joke he is making so I will explain it to your 5 year old self.

    Your god = Harry Potter. That is what YOU BELIEVE. You think there is a magician in the sky, not us.
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    SJD your brain is too small to understand the joke he is making so I will explain it to your 5 year old self.

    Your god = Harry Potter. That is what YOU BELIEVE. You think there is a magician in the sky, not us.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 2:03 AM ET #1992

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    You are aware that at the subatomic level, particles have been observed to randomly pop in and out of existence. The universe started with a subatomic particle. Who's to say the universe didn't start just like that?

    I don't understand why saying "I don't know" is such a crime to you guys.

    I'd rather believe things popped into existence out of nothing than god popped into existence out of nothing AND then made the universe out of nothing. Your belief requires two steps, ours only requires one.

    I told him about those subatomic particles but he didnt care...

    I just can't wait until the multiverse theory is proven.  Once the LISA satellite is finally launched, it can help prove that theory measuring gravitational waves.  If that is proven, will it affect your position rostos?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    You are aware that at the subatomic level, particles have been observed to randomly pop in and out of existence. The universe started with a subatomic particle. Who's to say the universe didn't start just like that?

    I don't understand why saying "I don't know" is such a crime to you guys.

    I'd rather believe things popped into existence out of nothing than god popped into existence out of nothing AND then made the universe out of nothing. Your belief requires two steps, ours only requires one.

    I told him about those subatomic particles but he didnt care...

    I just can't wait until the multiverse theory is proven.  Once the LISA satellite is finally launched, it can help prove that theory measuring gravitational waves.  If that is proven, will it affect your position rostos?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 2:05 AM ET #1993

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Is this your own logical belief? Are you going to start a new religion based on harry?...lol

    Because if I'm not mistaken, the author of Harry Potter never made a claim saying Harry is for real...lol

    Go ahead stick with your harry claim, why don't you add santa, and the tooth fairy and zeus while you're at it?...lol


    WOW... You can't be that dumb, can you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Is this your own logical belief? Are you going to start a new religion based on harry?...lol

    Because if I'm not mistaken, the author of Harry Potter never made a claim saying Harry is for real...lol

    Go ahead stick with your harry claim, why don't you add santa, and the tooth fairy and zeus while you're at it?...lol


    WOW... You can't be that dumb, can you?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 2:07 AM ET #1994

    I'm almost convinced that SJD is just some guy messing with all of us and is just playing dumb because there cant be a human that is so lacking any shred of intelligence...  Theres about as much evidence of that being true as there is of a god...
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    I'm almost convinced that SJD is just some guy messing with all of us and is just playing dumb because there cant be a human that is so lacking any shred of intelligence...  Theres about as much evidence of that being true as there is of a god...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 2:10 AM ET #1995

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    SJD your brain is too small to understand the joke he is making so I will explain it to your 5 year old self.

    Your god = Harry Potter. That is what YOU BELIEVE. You think there is a magician in the sky, not us.

    No harry is harry and God is God...one is ficticious and one is real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    SJD your brain is too small to understand the joke he is making so I will explain it to your 5 year old self.

    Your god = Harry Potter. That is what YOU BELIEVE. You think there is a magician in the sky, not us.

    No harry is harry and God is God...one is ficticious and one is real.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 2:14 AM ET #1996

    you have NO EVIDENCE that harry potter is fictitious
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    you have NO EVIDENCE that harry potter is fictitious
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 2:15 AM ET #1997

    And I aint joking!

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    And I aint joking!

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 2:17 AM ET #1998

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    you have NO EVIDENCE that harry potter is fictitious

    I already said that the author of harry never claimed that harry was for real...I rest my case.

    So with that said, harry is ficticious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    you have NO EVIDENCE that harry potter is fictitious

    I already said that the author of harry never claimed that harry was for real...I rest my case.

    So with that said, harry is ficticious.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 2:18 AM ET #1999

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    you have NO EVIDENCE that harry potter is fictitious


    Before rostos answers ill tell you what hes gonna say:

    Its testable because you can just ask the author LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    you have NO EVIDENCE that harry potter is fictitious


    Before rostos answers ill tell you what hes gonna say:

    Its testable because you can just ask the author LOL
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 16, 2011 - 2:18 AM ET #2000

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    Before rostos answers ill tell you what hes gonna say:

    Its testable because you can just ask the author LOL


    damnit!! sjd beat me to it!!! lol moron
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    Before rostos answers ill tell you what hes gonna say:

    Its testable because you can just ask the author LOL


    damnit!! sjd beat me to it!!! lol moron
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