and if 1 did exist, it's certainly not that piece of shit you worship.
Juudging by comments here, people have got the concept of God wrong.....really wrong....
Consider this......
Scenario a) You are seated on a plane, someone comes upto you and says , put this parachute jacket on you. Not that the plane is going to crash, there is next to no chance the plane crashes, but if you put this parachute jacket on, it will make your plane ride really smooth, give you real enjoyment and make you attractive. Then 1 hr into the flight after the you put the jacket on, it actually becomes really irratating, very uncomfortable, redcues your mobility. Furthermore, people around you start laughing at you because you look like a fool. So the person grabs the jacket off them and throws it away. The jacket never made the plane ride smoother, comfortable, attractive etc etc...Quite the opposite.
Scenario b) You are seated in the plane, someone gives you the parachute jacket at the start just as it takes off and says, this plane is going to crash 100% guaranteed. During the flight, the jacket just like scenario a makes the ride uncomfortable, people are laughing at you for wearing it. But, the lack of comfort, people laughing at you doesnt bother you for a second, because you know that this plane is going down and this jacket is going to save you.
Consider God / Jesus as the parachute / jacket.
Often we think too much about our own immediate comfort, how we look, satisfying our own sinful desires etc etc. God in this case, is seen by non believers as scenario a. They will only accept God (parachute jacket) if he makes there life more comfortable, makes them more attractive, gives them worldly benefits etc etc. Then when they accept God, and live there life, they see it as quite the contrary, there is not the more comfortable life, etc etc, quite the contrary, they have more rules to abide by (ten commandments, going to church etc etc), therefore, they grab throw God away (parachute jacket).....
However, what God is about is more with scenario b...The reality folkes, we are all in scenario b. Eventually, all our planes are going to crash (we will all die one day), rather accepting God / Christ is more to do with the afterlife. We are ALL sinners, we dont want to perish, dont you see the person in scenario b sees that he takes the fact that he is going to die very shortly, so he accepts Christ, he is not after a more confortable life as people seem to think God should give if they accept him, or make him look more attractive etc....these are all the wrong ideas about God. Christ is the parachute that you have when the plane starts to nosedive saving you from death....That is the reason for Christ, a fate we will all face one day wether you like it or not, not for a better life here...
I really can certainly see why he casts souls into hell for eternity with comments like that....hey, its your choice.....
Juudging by comments here, people have got the concept of God wrong.....really wrong....
Consider this......
Scenario a) You are seated on a plane, someone comes upto you and says , put this parachute jacket on you. Not that the plane is going to crash, there is next to no chance the plane crashes, but if you put this parachute jacket on, it will make your plane ride really smooth, give you real enjoyment and make you attractive. Then 1 hr into the flight after the you put the jacket on, it actually becomes really irratating, very uncomfortable, redcues your mobility. Furthermore, people around you start laughing at you because you look like a fool. So the person grabs the jacket off them and throws it away. The jacket never made the plane ride smoother, comfortable, attractive etc etc...Quite the opposite.
Scenario b) You are seated in the plane, someone gives you the parachute jacket at the start just as it takes off and says, this plane is going to crash 100% guaranteed. During the flight, the jacket just like scenario a makes the ride uncomfortable, people are laughing at you for wearing it. But, the lack of comfort, people laughing at you doesnt bother you for a second, because you know that this plane is going down and this jacket is going to save you.
Consider God / Jesus as the parachute / jacket.
Often we think too much about our own immediate comfort, how we look, satisfying our own sinful desires etc etc. God in this case, is seen by non believers as scenario a. They will only accept God (parachute jacket) if he makes there life more comfortable, makes them more attractive, gives them worldly benefits etc etc. Then when they accept God, and live there life, they see it as quite the contrary, there is not the more comfortable life, etc etc, quite the contrary, they have more rules to abide by (ten commandments, going to church etc etc), therefore, they grab throw God away (parachute jacket).....
However, what God is about is more with scenario b...The reality folkes, we are all in scenario b. Eventually, all our planes are going to crash (we will all die one day), rather accepting God / Christ is more to do with the afterlife. We are ALL sinners, we dont want to perish, dont you see the person in scenario b sees that he takes the fact that he is going to die very shortly, so he accepts Christ, he is not after a more confortable life as people seem to think God should give if they accept him, or make him look more attractive etc....these are all the wrong ideas about God. Christ is the parachute that you have when the plane starts to nosedive saving you from death....That is the reason for Christ, a fate we will all face one day wether you like it or not, not for a better life here...
No, God casts sould into hell because the soul (person) doesnt want anything to do with God, like Jason Bay said.
God simply respects souls decision. God is the source of all goodness, if one chooses away from all goodness, what is left?
Hey, it is the souls choice, God simply obeys it.
Absolutely....
As i said, mans pride dictates that they dont want to be told what to do....What if i told you not to have sex before or outside marriage because it is one of Gods rules?
No ne is tricking no one.
Look at my post 1907....Jason Bay is just bitter because he thinks God should be the God in scenario (a), then when he sees that is not what God is about, he got angry.....That is why he is angry.........
No one is tricking no one......
You and your friends are the biggest hypocrites....You claim God doesnt prove himself, yet you believe things can pop into existence from nothing, uncaused even though you dont have emprical evidence.........
You prefer to put your faith in unrealistic things (things coming into existence from nothing) and ridicolous unrealistic odds.......Thats the difference.........
No one is tricking no one....
"For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."
Romans 1:20
No ne is tricking no one.
Look at my post 1907....Jason Bay is just bitter because he thinks God should be the God in scenario (a), then when he sees that is not what God is about, he got angry.....That is why he is angry.........
No one is tricking no one......
You and your friends are the biggest hypocrites....You claim God doesnt prove himself, yet you believe things can pop into existence from nothing, uncaused even though you dont have emprical evidence.........
You prefer to put your faith in unrealistic things (things coming into existence from nothing) and ridicolous unrealistic odds.......Thats the difference.........
No one is tricking no one....
"For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."
Romans 1:20
No one is tricking no one........Look around you, how did this get here? You prefer to believe in odds that are hallucigenic, you have CHOSEN to believe in that. I dont think you understand the odds of that belief....There are better odds that i could beat the Miami heat by myself than the universe coming into existence uncaused and also permitting life conditions....
Who created God? Something cannot come from nothing IN THIS NATURAL WORLD. .That question is commiting the fallacy of equivocation. It is assuming the laws and physics of this natural world are the same of those of the supernatural.
No one is tricking no one........Look around you, how did this get here? You prefer to believe in odds that are hallucigenic, you have CHOSEN to believe in that. I dont think you understand the odds of that belief....There are better odds that i could beat the Miami heat by myself than the universe coming into existence uncaused and also permitting life conditions....
I'll let you think about that statement for a while. Like System said, right over your head...
Who created God? Something cannot come from nothing IN THIS NATURAL WORLD. .That question is commiting the fallacy of equivocation. It is assuming the laws and physics of this natural world are the same of those of the supernatural.
There is so much wrong here. Just say that to yourself a few times: "I believe in a supernatural world." - it makes me feel stupid just saying it...
ANYWAY let's say, for shits and giggles of course, that this supernatural world exists. Let's also say it has different laws than this universe. I would REALLY like to know where it came from... Could it be... dare I say... NOTHING??? Wouldn't you also say this is also quite the cop out. You said earlier that scientists created the idea of multiverses because they were "backed in a corner", but isn't it just convenient for you to say, "Well, anything is possible in CARTOON LAND!!"
When I say cartoon land I mean the supernatural...
No one is tricking no one....
All what you guys are doing throughout the whole argument is ducking in and out between atheism and agnisticism.
On one hand you are convinced God doesnt exist, then when pushed into a corner you say you dont know....
You guys are just supressing the truth, as Romans 1:20 indicates.
Just as you guys have convinced yourselves that something can come from nothing in this natural world, i have now convinced myself i could beat the Miami Heat team by myself.......
Hey, the odds are in more of my favour than yours...Ask Mr Penrose...
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