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    SYSTEM
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2011 - 11:56 PM ET #1176

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

      [/Q

    You are ducking in between atheism and agnosticism depending on what suits your argument. It is a logically inconsistent position.

    On the one hand, you state you dont believe in God, then when put into a corner, you state you dont know.

    You rule out God on one hand, then say you dont know.....

    Inconsistent logic

    Quote]

    It's called confused when someone is inconsistent, he reminds me of kk and system but I suppose all atheists have the same inherent characteristics. They are just confused and in a state of denial even when given ample evidence.

    He mentions a cosmic egg...hmmm....a cosmic..... egg?


    "ample evidence = the bible"

    still waiting to hear what you would tell your son if you had one and he was gay
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

      [/Q

    You are ducking in between atheism and agnosticism depending on what suits your argument. It is a logically inconsistent position.

    On the one hand, you state you dont believe in God, then when put into a corner, you state you dont know.

    You rule out God on one hand, then say you dont know.....

    Inconsistent logic

    Quote]

    It's called confused when someone is inconsistent, he reminds me of kk and system but I suppose all atheists have the same inherent characteristics. They are just confused and in a state of denial even when given ample evidence.

    He mentions a cosmic egg...hmmm....a cosmic..... egg?


    "ample evidence = the bible"

    still waiting to hear what you would tell your son if you had one and he was gay
     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2011 - 1:14 AM ET #1177

    Matt4000-

    Your arguments are appreciated for bringing in opposing views, for attepmting to weigh evidence (as such exists or not), for remaining balanced, on an even emotional keel.

    Nevertheless you draw sweeping conclusions from scant evidence.

    My head hurts literally with too much to say but too much else to do.

    Paul entered the Greek world, and therein adopted their ways of thinking into his own in so many ways. The ancient greeks first thought about the cosmos and man's place within it at least 5000 years ago. There appeared to be a common belief in the atom ( a greek word meaning the smallest part ). Greek sensibilities were adopted into Paul's writings, his thinking. Good move.

    Superstitions were in flux, and there many who at that time were exhausted from the new gods, the flavors of the week, the promises to relieve the tribulations of life and living.

    Christianity no longer has the benefit of the state and the sword to uphold it any longer. Only for 100 years has it been under scrutiny and attack that threatens its existence, its sustainability in a modern and more widely educated world.

    If one grows up here in the Americas it takes more effort to unteach, uneducate yourself. Christianity has not made real inroads in prosetelizing the masses in Asia. Modern Europeans simply pass by the huge cathedrals as skeletons of another era, with little relevance to their lives.

    They (Asians and their oriental philosophies--hinduism and buddism--and today's Europeans( will defeat christianity by ignoring it. Mithra and Horus and scores of others are within one's own mind, and as much as they likely appear real and serve a purpose, they lose their linkage and connection from one era to the next.

    If christianity is harmful, it needs to be abolished. It has served to kill, to torture, to serve the corrupt, to NOT keep its believers morally straight. It has splintered into a thousand sects--many of them sprung up in the 1880s in America. But this new skin is losing its luster. What it will become none of us know for sure.

    The last stronghold is America, the land of optimists and idealists, the best and the worst there is. Let's see what happens.

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    Matt4000-

    Your arguments are appreciated for bringing in opposing views, for attepmting to weigh evidence (as such exists or not), for remaining balanced, on an even emotional keel.

    Nevertheless you draw sweeping conclusions from scant evidence.

    My head hurts literally with too much to say but too much else to do.

    Paul entered the Greek world, and therein adopted their ways of thinking into his own in so many ways. The ancient greeks first thought about the cosmos and man's place within it at least 5000 years ago. There appeared to be a common belief in the atom ( a greek word meaning the smallest part ). Greek sensibilities were adopted into Paul's writings, his thinking. Good move.

    Superstitions were in flux, and there many who at that time were exhausted from the new gods, the flavors of the week, the promises to relieve the tribulations of life and living.

    Christianity no longer has the benefit of the state and the sword to uphold it any longer. Only for 100 years has it been under scrutiny and attack that threatens its existence, its sustainability in a modern and more widely educated world.

    If one grows up here in the Americas it takes more effort to unteach, uneducate yourself. Christianity has not made real inroads in prosetelizing the masses in Asia. Modern Europeans simply pass by the huge cathedrals as skeletons of another era, with little relevance to their lives.

    They (Asians and their oriental philosophies--hinduism and buddism--and today's Europeans( will defeat christianity by ignoring it. Mithra and Horus and scores of others are within one's own mind, and as much as they likely appear real and serve a purpose, they lose their linkage and connection from one era to the next.

    If christianity is harmful, it needs to be abolished. It has served to kill, to torture, to serve the corrupt, to NOT keep its believers morally straight. It has splintered into a thousand sects--many of them sprung up in the 1880s in America. But this new skin is losing its luster. What it will become none of us know for sure.

    The last stronghold is America, the land of optimists and idealists, the best and the worst there is. Let's see what happens.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2011 - 1:37 AM ET #1178

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    "ample evidence = the bible"

    still waiting to hear what you would tell your son if you had one and he was gay
    He should tell him the truth.  Homosexually is a sin, so is Lusting over women, Sex outside of marriage, and cheating on ur spouse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    "ample evidence = the bible"

    still waiting to hear what you would tell your son if you had one and he was gay
    He should tell him the truth.  Homosexually is a sin, so is Lusting over women, Sex outside of marriage, and cheating on ur spouse.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2011 - 2:37 AM ET #1179

    Quote Originally Posted by Godsplay:

    He should tell him the truth.  Homosexually is a sin, so is Lusting over women, Sex outside of marriage, and cheating on ur spouse.

    whose truth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godsplay:

    He should tell him the truth.  Homosexually is a sin, so is Lusting over women, Sex outside of marriage, and cheating on ur spouse.

    whose truth?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2011 - 3:01 PM ET #1180

    Quote Originally Posted by Godsplay:

    He should tell him the truth.  Homosexually is a sin, so is Lusting over women, Sex outside of marriage, and cheating on ur spouse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godsplay:

    He should tell him the truth.  Homosexually is a sin, so is Lusting over women, Sex outside of marriage, and cheating on ur spouse.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2011 - 3:15 PM ET #1181

    Quote Originally Posted by matt4000:

    Cave0707,

    wake me up when there's a conclusion to this thread...

    It may go on as long as site exists and people know that this topic is here.

    This debate/topic/discussion has been going on for centuries, so this thread may never end and I for one, hope it doesn't!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt4000:

    Cave0707,

    wake me up when there's a conclusion to this thread...

    It may go on as long as site exists and people know that this topic is here.

    This debate/topic/discussion has been going on for centuries, so this thread may never end and I for one, hope it doesn't!!!

     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2011 - 3:25 PM ET #1182

    Quantum Leap,

    You said "Your arguments are appreciated for bringing in opposing views, for attempting to weigh evidence (as such exists or not), for remaining balanced, on an even emotional keel."

    Much appreciated and same to you!

    "Nevertheless you draw sweeping conclusions from scant evidence."

    Obviously, I disagree.

    "My head hurts literally with too much to say but too much else to do."

    I feel the exact same way.

    "Paul entered the Greek world, and therein adopted their ways of thinking into his own in so many ways. The ancient greeks first thought about the cosmos and man's place within it at least 5000 years ago. There appeared to be a common belief in the atom ( a greek word meaning the smallest part ). Greek sensibilities were adopted into Paul's writings, his thinking. Good move.

    Superstitions were in flux, and there many who at that time were exhausted from the new gods, the flavors of the week, the promises to relieve the tribulations of life and living."

    Agree a little bit, but not entirely, especially disagree on the timetable that you use.










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    Quantum Leap,

    You said "Your arguments are appreciated for bringing in opposing views, for attempting to weigh evidence (as such exists or not), for remaining balanced, on an even emotional keel."

    Much appreciated and same to you!

    "Nevertheless you draw sweeping conclusions from scant evidence."

    Obviously, I disagree.

    "My head hurts literally with too much to say but too much else to do."

    I feel the exact same way.

    "Paul entered the Greek world, and therein adopted their ways of thinking into his own in so many ways. The ancient greeks first thought about the cosmos and man's place within it at least 5000 years ago. There appeared to be a common belief in the atom ( a greek word meaning the smallest part ). Greek sensibilities were adopted into Paul's writings, his thinking. Good move.

    Superstitions were in flux, and there many who at that time were exhausted from the new gods, the flavors of the week, the promises to relieve the tribulations of life and living."

    Agree a little bit, but not entirely, especially disagree on the timetable that you use.










     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2011 - 3:33 PM ET #1183

    Continued...

    "Christianity no longer has the benefit of the state and the sword to uphold it any longer. Only for 100 years has it been under scrutiny and attack that threatens its existence, its sustainability in a modern and more widely educated world."

    The apostle Paul warned us that “everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted” (2 Timothy 3:12). 

    Jesus told us to expect persecution from the world because if they persecuted Him, they will persecute His followers also. Jesus has made it very clear to us that those of the world will hate us because they hate Him. If Christians were like the world—vain, earthly, sensual, and given to pleasure, wealth, and ambition—the world would not oppose us. But Christians do not belong to the world which is why they hate and persecute us (John 15:18-19).

    So, believers have been persecuted and under scrutiny since Jesus left the earth.

    "If one grows up here in the Americas it takes more effort to unteach, uneducate yourself. Christianity has not made real inroads in prosetelizing the masses in Asia. Modern Europeans simply pass by the huge cathedrals as skeletons of another era, with little relevance to their lives.

    They (Asians and their oriental philosophies--hinduism and buddism--and today's Europeans( will defeat christianity by ignoring it. Mithra and Horus and scores of others are within one's own mind, and as much as they likely appear real and serve a purpose, they lose their linkage and connection from one era to the next."

    Christianity is the predominant faith in four Asian countries, the Philippines, East Timor, Armenia, Georgia and also in one other that is partially in Asia: i.e. Russia.

    In South Korea, while the largest proportion of the population is irreligious, Christianity represents the most widespread religion, closely followed by Buddhism.


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    Continued...

    "Christianity no longer has the benefit of the state and the sword to uphold it any longer. Only for 100 years has it been under scrutiny and attack that threatens its existence, its sustainability in a modern and more widely educated world."

    The apostle Paul warned us that “everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted” (2 Timothy 3:12). 

    Jesus told us to expect persecution from the world because if they persecuted Him, they will persecute His followers also. Jesus has made it very clear to us that those of the world will hate us because they hate Him. If Christians were like the world—vain, earthly, sensual, and given to pleasure, wealth, and ambition—the world would not oppose us. But Christians do not belong to the world which is why they hate and persecute us (John 15:18-19).

    So, believers have been persecuted and under scrutiny since Jesus left the earth.

    "If one grows up here in the Americas it takes more effort to unteach, uneducate yourself. Christianity has not made real inroads in prosetelizing the masses in Asia. Modern Europeans simply pass by the huge cathedrals as skeletons of another era, with little relevance to their lives.

    They (Asians and their oriental philosophies--hinduism and buddism--and today's Europeans( will defeat christianity by ignoring it. Mithra and Horus and scores of others are within one's own mind, and as much as they likely appear real and serve a purpose, they lose their linkage and connection from one era to the next."

    Christianity is the predominant faith in four Asian countries, the Philippines, East Timor, Armenia, Georgia and also in one other that is partially in Asia: i.e. Russia.

    In South Korea, while the largest proportion of the population is irreligious, Christianity represents the most widespread religion, closely followed by Buddhism.


     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2011 - 3:48 PM ET #1184

    Quantum Leap continued...

    "If christianity is harmful, it needs to be abolished. It has served to kill, to torture, to serve the corrupt, to NOT keep its believers morally straight."

    This isn't entirely true.
    Yes, there have been sects, individuals and denominations that have committed some of the atrocities that you mention above.
    But, this was never something that Christ was for or had His blessing upon. 

    I will use an example, the crusades:

    The crusades have provided some of the most frequent arguments against the Christian faith. Some Islamic terrorists even claim that their terrorist attacks are revenge for what Christians did in the crusades. So, what were the crusades and why are they viewed as such a big problem for the Christian faith?

    First of all, the crusades should not be referred to as the “Christian crusades.”

    Most of the people involved in the crusades were not truly Christians, even though they claimed to be. The name of Christ was abused, misused, and blasphemed by the actions of many of the crusaders.

    Second, the crusades took place from approximately A.D. 1095 to 1230. Should the unbiblical actions of supposed Christians hundreds of years ago still be held against Christians today?

    Third, not that this is an adequate excuse, but Christianity is not the only religion with a violent past. In actuality, the crusades were responses to Muslim invasions on what was once land occupied primarily by Christians. From approximately A.D. 200 to 900, the land of Israel, Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Turkey was inhabited primarily by Christians.
    Once Islam became powerful, Muslims invaded these lands and brutally oppressed, enslaved, deported, and even murdered the Christians living in those lands. 
    In response, the Roman Catholic Church and “Christian” kings/emperors from Europe ordered the crusades to reclaim the land the Muslims had taken. 

    The actions that many so-called Christians took in the crusades were still deplorable. There is no biblical justification for conquering lands, murdering civilians, and destroying cities in the name of Jesus Christ. At the same time, Islam is not a religion that can speak from a position of innocence in these matters.

    To summarize briefly, the crusades were attempts in the 11th through 13th centuries A.D. to reclaim land in the Middle East that had been conquered by Muslims. The crusades were brutal and evil. Many people were forced to “convert” to Christianity. If they refused, they were put to death. The idea of conquering a land through war and violence in the name of Christ is completely unbiblical.

    So, many of the actions that took place in the crusades were completely antithetical to everything the Christian faith stands for.



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    Quantum Leap continued...

    "If christianity is harmful, it needs to be abolished. It has served to kill, to torture, to serve the corrupt, to NOT keep its believers morally straight."

    This isn't entirely true.
    Yes, there have been sects, individuals and denominations that have committed some of the atrocities that you mention above.
    But, this was never something that Christ was for or had His blessing upon. 

    I will use an example, the crusades:

    The crusades have provided some of the most frequent arguments against the Christian faith. Some Islamic terrorists even claim that their terrorist attacks are revenge for what Christians did in the crusades. So, what were the crusades and why are they viewed as such a big problem for the Christian faith?

    First of all, the crusades should not be referred to as the “Christian crusades.”

    Most of the people involved in the crusades were not truly Christians, even though they claimed to be. The name of Christ was abused, misused, and blasphemed by the actions of many of the crusaders.

    Second, the crusades took place from approximately A.D. 1095 to 1230. Should the unbiblical actions of supposed Christians hundreds of years ago still be held against Christians today?

    Third, not that this is an adequate excuse, but Christianity is not the only religion with a violent past. In actuality, the crusades were responses to Muslim invasions on what was once land occupied primarily by Christians. From approximately A.D. 200 to 900, the land of Israel, Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Turkey was inhabited primarily by Christians.
    Once Islam became powerful, Muslims invaded these lands and brutally oppressed, enslaved, deported, and even murdered the Christians living in those lands. 
    In response, the Roman Catholic Church and “Christian” kings/emperors from Europe ordered the crusades to reclaim the land the Muslims had taken. 

    The actions that many so-called Christians took in the crusades were still deplorable. There is no biblical justification for conquering lands, murdering civilians, and destroying cities in the name of Jesus Christ. At the same time, Islam is not a religion that can speak from a position of innocence in these matters.

    To summarize briefly, the crusades were attempts in the 11th through 13th centuries A.D. to reclaim land in the Middle East that had been conquered by Muslims. The crusades were brutal and evil. Many people were forced to “convert” to Christianity. If they refused, they were put to death. The idea of conquering a land through war and violence in the name of Christ is completely unbiblical.

    So, many of the actions that took place in the crusades were completely antithetical to everything the Christian faith stands for.



     
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    Quantum Leap Continued...
    "If christianity is harmful, it needs to be abolished. It has served to kill, to torture, to serve the corrupt, to NOT keep its believers morally straight."

    (I have so much to say about this statement, but am trying to keep it brief).
    Anyway, continued from the above post.

    1.) Would you want to be held accountable for the actions of people who lived 900+ years ago? 

    (Neither does Christ, myself or any other authentic Christian that had NOTHING to do with It, and nothing to do with the claims that you made, in your above quote.)

     2) Would you want to be held accountable for the actions of everyone who claims to represent your faith? (Neither do I).

    Trying to blame all of Christianity when you said "It has served to kill, to torture, to serve the corrupt, to NOT keep its believers morally straight." is analogous to blaming all Muslims for Islamic terrorism.




    Reply
    Quantum Leap Continued...
    "If christianity is harmful, it needs to be abolished. It has served to kill, to torture, to serve the corrupt, to NOT keep its believers morally straight."

    (I have so much to say about this statement, but am trying to keep it brief).
    Anyway, continued from the above post.

    1.) Would you want to be held accountable for the actions of people who lived 900+ years ago? 

    (Neither does Christ, myself or any other authentic Christian that had NOTHING to do with It, and nothing to do with the claims that you made, in your above quote.)

     2) Would you want to be held accountable for the actions of everyone who claims to represent your faith? (Neither do I).

    Trying to blame all of Christianity when you said "It has served to kill, to torture, to serve the corrupt, to NOT keep its believers morally straight." is analogous to blaming all Muslims for Islamic terrorism.




     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2011 - 4:02 PM ET #1186

    Quantum Leap,

    Y
    Lastly, you state that...
    "It has splintered into a thousand sects--many of them sprung up in the 1880s in America. But this new skin is losing its luster. What it will become none of us know for sure."

    I agree with the first part of your statement, but the Bible tells us what will happen to ALL the believers in Christ in the future!



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    Quantum Leap,

    Y
    Lastly, you state that...
    "It has splintered into a thousand sects--many of them sprung up in the 1880s in America. But this new skin is losing its luster. What it will become none of us know for sure."

    I agree with the first part of your statement, but the Bible tells us what will happen to ALL the believers in Christ in the future!



     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2011 - 4:28 PM ET #1187

    All of your posts are well said matt!! As always thanks for your contributions.

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    All of your posts are well said matt!! As always thanks for your contributions.

     
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    No problem and thanks!!!
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    No problem and thanks!!!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt4000:

    Quantum Leap Continued...
    "If christianity is harmful, it needs to be abolished. It has served to kill, to torture, to serve the corrupt, to NOT keep its believers morally straight."

    (I have so much to say about this statement, but am trying to keep it brief).
    Anyway, continued from the above post.

    1.) Would you want to be held accountable for the actions of people who lived 900+ years ago? 

    (Neither does Christ, myself or any other authentic Christian that had NOTHING to do with It, and nothing to do with the claims that you made, in your above quote.)

     2) Would you want to be held accountable for the actions of everyone who claims to represent your faith? (Neither do I).

    Trying to blame all of Christianity when you said "It has served to kill, to torture, to serve the corrupt, to NOT keep its believers morally straight." is analogous to blaming all Muslims for Islamic terrorism.




    There is so much equivocating done by none believers it isnt funny.

    1 shoe size fits all for them apparently...

    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by matt4000:

    Quantum Leap Continued...
    "If christianity is harmful, it needs to be abolished. It has served to kill, to torture, to serve the corrupt, to NOT keep its believers morally straight."

    (I have so much to say about this statement, but am trying to keep it brief).
    Anyway, continued from the above post.

    1.) Would you want to be held accountable for the actions of people who lived 900+ years ago? 

    (Neither does Christ, myself or any other authentic Christian that had NOTHING to do with It, and nothing to do with the claims that you made, in your above quote.)

     2) Would you want to be held accountable for the actions of everyone who claims to represent your faith? (Neither do I).

    Trying to blame all of Christianity when you said "It has served to kill, to torture, to serve the corrupt, to NOT keep its believers morally straight." is analogous to blaming all Muslims for Islamic terrorism.




    There is so much equivocating done by none believers it isnt funny.

    1 shoe size fits all for them apparently...

     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2011 - 2:48 PM ET #1190

    Quote Originally Posted by Godsplay:

    This movie can help u on your journey.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUaD0Qg1r1w&list=PL287F70C3F2C27B01&index=15&feature=plpp_video

    I watched the Peter and Paul movie video and it was such a interesting inspiring movie, thoroughly enjoyed it, it's a must see for everyone. The actor Anthony Hopkins played the part of Paul and did an excellent acting performance. I give it a thumbs up!

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godsplay:

    This movie can help u on your journey.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUaD0Qg1r1w&list=PL287F70C3F2C27B01&index=15&feature=plpp_video

    I watched the Peter and Paul movie video and it was such a interesting inspiring movie, thoroughly enjoyed it, it's a must see for everyone. The actor Anthony Hopkins played the part of Paul and did an excellent acting performance. I give it a thumbs up!

     

     
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    The agents who represented Christianity cannot be excluded by you or anyone else. They acted in faith, and they believed wholeheartedly that Jesus the Christ was guiding the. They guided the Church in the New World when they laid up rulers to be impaled through their anus in front of their followers (Atalhualpa and many others) because that was Jesus' command given by His agents "on the ground" the priests and head clergymen. Gos did NOT speak clearly to His people to stop such TORTURE and MURDER.

    Yet you believe you can dismiss some agents and only count the "holy ones." How convenient.

    I cannot carry on any argument with someone who does NOT believe in the SCIENTIFIC FACTS of evolution and the impossibilities of living after dying or being born without sperm from a living man.

    Reply

    The agents who represented Christianity cannot be excluded by you or anyone else. They acted in faith, and they believed wholeheartedly that Jesus the Christ was guiding the. They guided the Church in the New World when they laid up rulers to be impaled through their anus in front of their followers (Atalhualpa and many others) because that was Jesus' command given by His agents "on the ground" the priests and head clergymen. Gos did NOT speak clearly to His people to stop such TORTURE and MURDER.

    Yet you believe you can dismiss some agents and only count the "holy ones." How convenient.

    I cannot carry on any argument with someone who does NOT believe in the SCIENTIFIC FACTS of evolution and the impossibilities of living after dying or being born without sperm from a living man.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2011 - 11:25 PM ET #1192

    You are deceiving yourselves because it is entertaining to do so. You do not REALLY believe in the magic of Jesus, yet you cannot admit it because you attend church where everyone congregates and puts on a mask of decency and smiles and everyone talks about how hlier than thou they are; they have potlucks and pretend to care about the other shurch members for their "communal feeling" they feel they need every weekend, as they dress in their finer clothes.

    Whatever you feel you need--do it.

    But by all means PAY YOUR TAXES AND STOP ASKING THE GOVEERNEMT FOR HANDOUTS!!!

     

    DOES Gos and His Son HAVE MONEY PROBLEMS??? DO YOU NEED TO HAVE A TAX FREE STATUS---REALLY??? Answer THAT ONE.

    Reply

    You are deceiving yourselves because it is entertaining to do so. You do not REALLY believe in the magic of Jesus, yet you cannot admit it because you attend church where everyone congregates and puts on a mask of decency and smiles and everyone talks about how hlier than thou they are; they have potlucks and pretend to care about the other shurch members for their "communal feeling" they feel they need every weekend, as they dress in their finer clothes.

    Whatever you feel you need--do it.

    But by all means PAY YOUR TAXES AND STOP ASKING THE GOVEERNEMT FOR HANDOUTS!!!

     

    DOES Gos and His Son HAVE MONEY PROBLEMS??? DO YOU NEED TO HAVE A TAX FREE STATUS---REALLY??? Answer THAT ONE.

     
    Quantum_Leap
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2011 - 11:27 PM ET #1193

    (poor spelling)

    whatever.

    Be christians and be happy. But PLEASE Stop killing others. PLEASE stop asking for money. PLEASE let us be free. PLEASE don't involve us all in another religious war to kill all the muslimns or buddhists or whoever. PLEASE.

    Reply

    (poor spelling)

    whatever.

    Be christians and be happy. But PLEASE Stop killing others. PLEASE stop asking for money. PLEASE let us be free. PLEASE don't involve us all in another religious war to kill all the muslimns or buddhists or whoever. PLEASE.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 1:07 AM ET #1194

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum_Leap:

    (poor spelling)

    whatever.

    Be christians and be happy. But PLEASE Stop killing others. PLEASE stop asking for money. PLEASE let us be free. PLEASE don't involve us all in another religious war to kill all the muslimns or buddhists or whoever. PLEASE.


    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum_Leap:

    (poor spelling)

    whatever.

    Be christians and be happy. But PLEASE Stop killing others. PLEASE stop asking for money. PLEASE let us be free. PLEASE don't involve us all in another religious war to kill all the muslimns or buddhists or whoever. PLEASE.


     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 2:09 AM ET #1195

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum_Leap:

    The agents who represented Christianity cannot be excluded by you or anyone else. They acted in faith, and they believed wholeheartedly that Jesus the Christ was guiding the. They guided the Church in the New World when they laid up rulers to be impaled through their anus in front of their followers (Atalhualpa and many others) because that was Jesus' command given by His agents "on the ground" the priests and head clergymen. Gos did NOT speak clearly to His people to stop such TORTURE and MURDER.

    Yet you believe you can dismiss some agents and only count the "holy ones." How convenient.

    I cannot carry on any argument with someone who does NOT believe in the SCIENTIFIC FACTS of evolution and the impossibilities of living after dying or being born without sperm from a living man.

    Right, just like i cant talk to anyone who believes something can come from nothing IN THIS NATURAL WORLD.

    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum_Leap:

    The agents who represented Christianity cannot be excluded by you or anyone else. They acted in faith, and they believed wholeheartedly that Jesus the Christ was guiding the. They guided the Church in the New World when they laid up rulers to be impaled through their anus in front of their followers (Atalhualpa and many others) because that was Jesus' command given by His agents "on the ground" the priests and head clergymen. Gos did NOT speak clearly to His people to stop such TORTURE and MURDER.

    Yet you believe you can dismiss some agents and only count the "holy ones." How convenient.

    I cannot carry on any argument with someone who does NOT believe in the SCIENTIFIC FACTS of evolution and the impossibilities of living after dying or being born without sperm from a living man.

    Right, just like i cant talk to anyone who believes something can come from nothing IN THIS NATURAL WORLD.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 2:13 AM ET #1196

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum_Leap:

    You are deceiving yourselves because it is entertaining to do so. You do not REALLY believe in the magic of Jesus, yet you cannot admit it because you attend church where everyone congregates and puts on a mask of decency and smiles and everyone talks about how hlier than thou they are; they have potlucks and pretend to care about the other shurch members for their "communal feeling" they feel they need every weekend, as they dress in their finer clothes.

    Whatever you feel you need--do it.

    But by all means PAY YOUR TAXES AND STOP ASKING THE GOVEERNEMT FOR HANDOUTS!!!

     

    DOES Gos and His Son HAVE MONEY PROBLEMS??? DO YOU NEED TO HAVE A TAX FREE STATUS---REALLY??? Answer THAT ONE.

    Have you ever been to church? Just because someone goes to church it doesnt mean they are a better person than someone that doesnt. A church is a hospital for sinners.

    Your stupid assumptions fall flat on their face. I go into church every week, do what i need to do, and leave, i am straight in, straight out. The only interaction i have with others when i shake peace with them. Am i one of those people that "mask of decency and smiles and everyone talks about how hlier than thou they are";

    STOP judging ...

    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum_Leap:

    You are deceiving yourselves because it is entertaining to do so. You do not REALLY believe in the magic of Jesus, yet you cannot admit it because you attend church where everyone congregates and puts on a mask of decency and smiles and everyone talks about how hlier than thou they are; they have potlucks and pretend to care about the other shurch members for their "communal feeling" they feel they need every weekend, as they dress in their finer clothes.

    Whatever you feel you need--do it.

    But by all means PAY YOUR TAXES AND STOP ASKING THE GOVEERNEMT FOR HANDOUTS!!!

     

    DOES Gos and His Son HAVE MONEY PROBLEMS??? DO YOU NEED TO HAVE A TAX FREE STATUS---REALLY??? Answer THAT ONE.

    Have you ever been to church? Just because someone goes to church it doesnt mean they are a better person than someone that doesnt. A church is a hospital for sinners.

    Your stupid assumptions fall flat on their face. I go into church every week, do what i need to do, and leave, i am straight in, straight out. The only interaction i have with others when i shake peace with them. Am i one of those people that "mask of decency and smiles and everyone talks about how hlier than thou they are";

    STOP judging ...

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 2:16 AM ET #1197

    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum_Leap:

    (poor spelling)

    whatever.

    Be christians and be happy. But PLEASE Stop killing others. PLEASE stop asking for money. PLEASE let us be free. PLEASE don't involve us all in another religious war to kill all the muslimns or buddhists or whoever. PLEASE.

    Right, just like that Dodger fan that killed that Giants fan in the carpark after a game earlier this year....By your logic, ALL DODGERS FANS ARE MURDERS.......

    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by Quantum_Leap:

    (poor spelling)

    whatever.

    Be christians and be happy. But PLEASE Stop killing others. PLEASE stop asking for money. PLEASE let us be free. PLEASE don't involve us all in another religious war to kill all the muslimns or buddhists or whoever. PLEASE.

    Right, just like that Dodger fan that killed that Giants fan in the carpark after a game earlier this year....By your logic, ALL DODGERS FANS ARE MURDERS.......

     
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    Posted: Nov. 16, 2011 - 3:21 PM ET #1198

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Right, just like that Dodger fan that killed that Giants fan in the carpark after a game earlier this year....By your logic, ALL DODGERS FANS ARE MURDERS.......

    No one can have an intelligent discussion with that fella, I mean he is so illogical in his generalizations. He IMHO is just another confused non-believer just like kk & system. They all see their lives as being without purpose...or meaningless.

    They, view themselves as being created by an accident and not by an all powerful, all knowing, super intelligent, loving, All Mighty God!, the Creator of all existence in the universe.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Right, just like that Dodger fan that killed that Giants fan in the carpark after a game earlier this year....By your logic, ALL DODGERS FANS ARE MURDERS.......

    No one can have an intelligent discussion with that fella, I mean he is so illogical in his generalizations. He IMHO is just another confused non-believer just like kk & system. They all see their lives as being without purpose...or meaningless.

    They, view themselves as being created by an accident and not by an all powerful, all knowing, super intelligent, loving, All Mighty God!, the Creator of all existence in the universe.

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2011 - 6:12 PM ET #1199

    Hey Rostos, something can come from nothing.  Scientists have found subatomic particles that randomly appear and disappear...
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    Hey Rostos, something can come from nothing.  Scientists have found subatomic particles that randomly appear and disappear...
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

    Hey Rostos, something can come from nothing.  Scientists have found subatomic particles that randomly appear and disappear...

    Sub atomic particles appear in the Quantum vacum which is a sea of fluctuating energy. It is a rich physical reality endowed with a physical structure that is governed by physical laws. Scientists  are equivocating the word "nothing".

    For instance, if i asked you what the definition of time is in a philosophy or science exam, would you answer it as

    "A number, as of years, days, or minutes, representing such an interval" or would you say "it is a magazine"?

    Scientists are equivocating the definition of nothing here. They arent refering to the definition in a philosphical way....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

    Hey Rostos, something can come from nothing.  Scientists have found subatomic particles that randomly appear and disappear...

    Sub atomic particles appear in the Quantum vacum which is a sea of fluctuating energy. It is a rich physical reality endowed with a physical structure that is governed by physical laws. Scientists  are equivocating the word "nothing".

    For instance, if i asked you what the definition of time is in a philosophy or science exam, would you answer it as

    "A number, as of years, days, or minutes, representing such an interval" or would you say "it is a magazine"?

    Scientists are equivocating the definition of nothing here. They arent refering to the definition in a philosphical way....

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