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    SirJohnDrake
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2012 - 6:34 PM ET #5176

    Quote Originally Posted by CRRECORDS:

    Einstein believed in Spinoza's God which rejects your Jesus God.

    Yeah, I'm aware of that, I was made aware awhile back when my friend Rostos told me earlier on this thread.

    At least this brilliant man believed in a divine power but of course in my view the wrong divine power.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRRECORDS:

    Einstein believed in Spinoza's God which rejects your Jesus God.

    Yeah, I'm aware of that, I was made aware awhile back when my friend Rostos told me earlier on this thread.

    At least this brilliant man believed in a divine power but of course in my view the wrong divine power.

     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2012 - 6:51 PM ET #5177

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Yeah, I'm aware of that, I was made aware awhile back when my friend Rostos told me earlier on this thread.

    At least this brilliant man believed in a divine power but of course in my view the wrong divine power.

    Then why didn't you just post that Einstein believed in a divine power, but considered the Bible "childish?"

    You and he are not on the same page which kind of makes the selective posting of his quotes irrelevant.  

    It's not a real discussion if you just cherry pick certain things that appear to support your ideas.  That's what 9/11 conspiracy theorists do.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    Yeah, I'm aware of that, I was made aware awhile back when my friend Rostos told me earlier on this thread.

    At least this brilliant man believed in a divine power but of course in my view the wrong divine power.

    Then why didn't you just post that Einstein believed in a divine power, but considered the Bible "childish?"

    You and he are not on the same page which kind of makes the selective posting of his quotes irrelevant.  

    It's not a real discussion if you just cherry pick certain things that appear to support your ideas.  That's what 9/11 conspiracy theorists do.  
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2012 - 7:26 PM ET #5178

    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    Then why didn't you just post that Einstein believed in a divine power, but considered the Bible "childish?"

    You and he are not on the same page which kind of makes the selective posting of his quotes irrelevant.  

    It's not a real discussion if you just cherry pick certain things that appear to support your ideas.  That's what 9/11 conspiracy theorists do.  

    not surprising, he does the same thing with the bible....
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    Then why didn't you just post that Einstein believed in a divine power, but considered the Bible "childish?"

    You and he are not on the same page which kind of makes the selective posting of his quotes irrelevant.  

    It's not a real discussion if you just cherry pick certain things that appear to support your ideas.  That's what 9/11 conspiracy theorists do.  

    not surprising, he does the same thing with the bible....
     
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    Posted: Mar. 8, 2012 - 1:01 PM ET #5179

    I don't really have a problem with Spinoza's God because it still recognizes a divine power. I think that is very true that not only is God part of nature but also God is in everyone of us since we're created in his image. I don't see this as being atheist at all. 
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    I don't really have a problem with Spinoza's God because it still recognizes a divine power. I think that is very true that not only is God part of nature but also God is in everyone of us since we're created in his image. I don't see this as being atheist at all. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 8, 2012 - 1:03 PM ET #5180

    Quote Originally Posted by CRRECORDS:

    Einstein believed in Spinoza's God which rejects your Jesus God.
    You missed the point. There is no difference between God's. The God that sent Jesus to Earth is the same God that Spinoza is referring to. God is in all and part of all. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by CRRECORDS:

    Einstein believed in Spinoza's God which rejects your Jesus God.
    You missed the point. There is no difference between God's. The God that sent Jesus to Earth is the same God that Spinoza is referring to. God is in all and part of all. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 8, 2012 - 1:11 PM ET #5181

    I believe SJD has made some valid points and of course the atheist reject it because that's what they do. They will debate until the cows come home but will never take any action on any issue. 
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    Here is something for you atheist to get your panties in a bunch about. This is what it all boils down to. If you want to see God and know God go directly to your bathroom and look into the mirror that is where you will find God. Look deep into the mirror until you reach the point where you become the observer. God is there. Deep inside your subconscious mind. This is the part that scares you guys. The greatest secret on this Earth is that while you guys go all over looking for God. He's right there inside of you and you deny yourself therefore you deny God. Of course this makes no sense to you because you're being controlled by ego and have no spiritual discernment. But I assure you that God made us in his own image and he is right here. Not physical but spiritual. Seek and ye shall find atheist. 
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    I believe SJD has made some valid points and of course the atheist reject it because that's what they do. They will debate until the cows come home but will never take any action on any issue. 
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    Here is something for you atheist to get your panties in a bunch about. This is what it all boils down to. If you want to see God and know God go directly to your bathroom and look into the mirror that is where you will find God. Look deep into the mirror until you reach the point where you become the observer. God is there. Deep inside your subconscious mind. This is the part that scares you guys. The greatest secret on this Earth is that while you guys go all over looking for God. He's right there inside of you and you deny yourself therefore you deny God. Of course this makes no sense to you because you're being controlled by ego and have no spiritual discernment. But I assure you that God made us in his own image and he is right here. Not physical but spiritual. Seek and ye shall find atheist. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 8, 2012 - 6:46 PM ET #5182

    The First Cause Argument

    I would like to continue my explanation where I left off on post #5178 concerning there must be a cause for everything that comes into existence with the exception of God of course, because He did not come into existence, because He has always been in existence, He is eternal, He has no beginning or no end, He is the uncaused cause that brought or caused everything else to come into existence. He is the First Cause, The Creator.

    Let me give a brief illustration below which is the First Cause Argument which was the argument originated by Saint Thomas Aquinas who I mentioned on post #5178.

    The whole universe is a vast, interlocking chain of things that came into existence. Each of these things must therefore have a cause. Our parents caused us, our grandparents caused them, etc. We would not be here without billions of causes, from the Big Bang through the cooling of the galaxies and the evolution of the protein molecule to the marriages of our ancestors.

    The universe is a vast and complex chain of causes. But does the universe as a whole have a cause? Is there a first cause, an uncaused cause, a transcendent cause of the whole chain of causes? If not, then there is an infinite regress of causes, with no first link in the great cosmic chain. If there is a first cause, then there is an eternal, necessary, independent, self-explanatory being with nothing above it, before it, or supporting it.

    It would have to explain itself as well as everything else, if it needed something else as its explanation, its reason, its cause, then it would not be the first and uncaused cause. Such a being would have to be God. If we can prove there is such a first cause, we will have proved there is a God.

    Why must there be a first cause? Because if there isn't, then the whole universe is unexplained, and we have violated our Principle of Sufficient Reason for everything.

    If there is no first cause, each particular thing in the universe is explained in the short run, or by some other thing, but nothing is explained in the long run, or ultimately, and the universe as a whole is not explained. Everyone and everything says in turn, "Don't look to me for the final explanation. I'm just an instrument. Something else caused me." If that's all there is, then we have an endless passing of the buck. God is the one who says, "The buck stops here."

    If there is no first cause, then the universe is like a great chain with many links; each link is held up by the link above it, but the whole chain is held up by nothing. If there is no first cause, then the universe is like a railroad train moving without an engine. Each car's motion is explained proximately by the motion of the car in front of it: the caboose moves because the boxcar pulls it, the boxcar moves because the cattle car pulls it, etc. But there is no engine to pull the first car and the whole train. That would be impossible! But that is what the universe is like if there is no first cause: IMPOSSIBLE!

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    The First Cause Argument

    I would like to continue my explanation where I left off on post #5178 concerning there must be a cause for everything that comes into existence with the exception of God of course, because He did not come into existence, because He has always been in existence, He is eternal, He has no beginning or no end, He is the uncaused cause that brought or caused everything else to come into existence. He is the First Cause, The Creator.

    Let me give a brief illustration below which is the First Cause Argument which was the argument originated by Saint Thomas Aquinas who I mentioned on post #5178.

    The whole universe is a vast, interlocking chain of things that came into existence. Each of these things must therefore have a cause. Our parents caused us, our grandparents caused them, etc. We would not be here without billions of causes, from the Big Bang through the cooling of the galaxies and the evolution of the protein molecule to the marriages of our ancestors.

    The universe is a vast and complex chain of causes. But does the universe as a whole have a cause? Is there a first cause, an uncaused cause, a transcendent cause of the whole chain of causes? If not, then there is an infinite regress of causes, with no first link in the great cosmic chain. If there is a first cause, then there is an eternal, necessary, independent, self-explanatory being with nothing above it, before it, or supporting it.

    It would have to explain itself as well as everything else, if it needed something else as its explanation, its reason, its cause, then it would not be the first and uncaused cause. Such a being would have to be God. If we can prove there is such a first cause, we will have proved there is a God.

    Why must there be a first cause? Because if there isn't, then the whole universe is unexplained, and we have violated our Principle of Sufficient Reason for everything.

    If there is no first cause, each particular thing in the universe is explained in the short run, or by some other thing, but nothing is explained in the long run, or ultimately, and the universe as a whole is not explained. Everyone and everything says in turn, "Don't look to me for the final explanation. I'm just an instrument. Something else caused me." If that's all there is, then we have an endless passing of the buck. God is the one who says, "The buck stops here."

    If there is no first cause, then the universe is like a great chain with many links; each link is held up by the link above it, but the whole chain is held up by nothing. If there is no first cause, then the universe is like a railroad train moving without an engine. Each car's motion is explained proximately by the motion of the car in front of it: the caboose moves because the boxcar pulls it, the boxcar moves because the cattle car pulls it, etc. But there is no engine to pull the first car and the whole train. That would be impossible! But that is what the universe is like if there is no first cause: IMPOSSIBLE!

     
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    Posted: Mar. 8, 2012 - 7:12 PM ET #5183

    SJD-Absolutely brilliant sir! You have out atheist the atheist! I love it! BRILLLIANT!!!!! Completely Brilliant. But of course as brilliant as it was the atheist will find ways to continue the discussion with multiple questions and criticisms and calls for more evidence because you must remember they're not interested in answers only avoiding the truth. They will do this at all costs. But for the other independent thinkers who watch our posts I'm sure they get it and you have given them much to think about. Absolutely brilliant!!! Thank you SJD!
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    SJD-Absolutely brilliant sir! You have out atheist the atheist! I love it! BRILLLIANT!!!!! Completely Brilliant. But of course as brilliant as it was the atheist will find ways to continue the discussion with multiple questions and criticisms and calls for more evidence because you must remember they're not interested in answers only avoiding the truth. They will do this at all costs. But for the other independent thinkers who watch our posts I'm sure they get it and you have given them much to think about. Absolutely brilliant!!! Thank you SJD!
     
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    Posted: Mar. 8, 2012 - 7:16 PM ET #5184

    I submit post # 5189 to the theist Hall of Fame. Along with a few other post from some other brilliant minds that have articulated our position so well. The discussion should be over at this point. But let me make a prediction. The atheist will just ignore it or start their barrage of diversions to excuse themselves from the inevitable truth of it all. 
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    I submit post # 5189 to the theist Hall of Fame. Along with a few other post from some other brilliant minds that have articulated our position so well. The discussion should be over at this point. But let me make a prediction. The atheist will just ignore it or start their barrage of diversions to excuse themselves from the inevitable truth of it all. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 8, 2012 - 7:54 PM ET #5185

    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    The problem atheists have is not understanding that existence can not happen by accident, there has to be a cause.
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    But this doesn't apply to God?  Why can something supernatural or spiritual come into existence from nothing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    The problem atheists have is not understanding that existence can not happen by accident, there has to be a cause.
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    But this doesn't apply to God?  Why can something supernatural or spiritual come into existence from nothing?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 8, 2012 - 8:00 PM ET #5186

    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    SJD-Absolutely brilliant sir! You have out atheist the atheist! I love it! BRILLLIANT!!!!! Completely Brilliant. But of course as brilliant as it was the atheist will find ways to continue the discussion with multiple questions and criticisms and calls for more evidence because you must remember they're not interested in answers only avoiding the truth. They will do this at all costs. But for the other independent thinkers who watch our posts I'm sure they get it and you have given them much to think about. Absolutely brilliant!!! Thank you SJD!
    So the independent thinker is the one that agrees with you and gives no opposition?hmmm and who is the one who is avoiding the truth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    SJD-Absolutely brilliant sir! You have out atheist the atheist! I love it! BRILLLIANT!!!!! Completely Brilliant. But of course as brilliant as it was the atheist will find ways to continue the discussion with multiple questions and criticisms and calls for more evidence because you must remember they're not interested in answers only avoiding the truth. They will do this at all costs. But for the other independent thinkers who watch our posts I'm sure they get it and you have given them much to think about. Absolutely brilliant!!! Thank you SJD!
    So the independent thinker is the one that agrees with you and gives no opposition?hmmm and who is the one who is avoiding the truth?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 8, 2012 - 8:07 PM ET #5187

    So what was the first cause that created god?
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    So what was the first cause that created god?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 8, 2012 - 8:09 PM ET #5188

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    The First Cause Argument

    I would like to continue my explanation where I left off on post #5178 concerning there must be a cause for everything that comes into existence with the exception of God of course, because He did not come into existence, because He has always been in existence, He is eternal, He has no beginning or no end, He is the uncaused cause that brought or caused everything else to come into existence. He is the First Cause, The Creator.

    Let me give a brief illustration below which is the First Cause Argument which was the argument originated by Saint Thomas Aquinas who I mentioned on post #5178.

    The whole universe is a vast, interlocking chain of things that came into existence. Each of these things must therefore have a cause. Our parents caused us, our grandparents caused them, etc. We would not be here without billions of causes, from the Big Bang through the cooling of the galaxies and the evolution of the protein molecule to the marriages of our ancestors.

    The universe is a vast and complex chain of causes. But does the universe as a whole have a cause? Is there a first cause, an uncaused cause, a transcendent cause of the whole chain of causes? If not, then there is an infinite regress of causes, with no first link in the great cosmic chain. If there is a first cause, then there is an eternal, necessary, independent, self-explanatory being with nothing above it, before it, or supporting it.

    It would have to explain itself as well as everything else, if it needed something else as its explanation, its reason, its cause, then it would not be the first and uncaused cause. Such a being would have to be God. If we can prove there is such a first cause, we will have proved there is a God.

    Why must there be a first cause? Because if there isn't, then the whole universe is unexplained, and we have violated our Principle of Sufficient Reason for everything.

    If there is no first cause, each particular thing in the universe is explained in the short run, or by some other thing, but nothing is explained in the long run, or ultimately, and the universe as a whole is not explained. Everyone and everything says in turn, "Don't look to me for the final explanation. I'm just an instrument. Something else caused me." If that's all there is, then we have an endless passing of the buck. God is the one who says, "The buck stops here."

    If there is no first cause, then the universe is like a great chain with many links; each link is held up by the link above it, but the whole chain is held up by nothing. If there is no first cause, then the universe is like a railroad train moving without an engine. Each car's motion is explained proximately by the motion of the car in front of it: the caboose moves because the boxcar pulls it, the boxcar moves because the cattle car pulls it, etc. But there is no engine to pull the first car and the whole train. That would be impossible! But that is what the universe is like if there is no first cause: IMPOSSIBLE!


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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    The First Cause Argument

    I would like to continue my explanation where I left off on post #5178 concerning there must be a cause for everything that comes into existence with the exception of God of course, because He did not come into existence, because He has always been in existence, He is eternal, He has no beginning or no end, He is the uncaused cause that brought or caused everything else to come into existence. He is the First Cause, The Creator.

    Let me give a brief illustration below which is the First Cause Argument which was the argument originated by Saint Thomas Aquinas who I mentioned on post #5178.

    The whole universe is a vast, interlocking chain of things that came into existence. Each of these things must therefore have a cause. Our parents caused us, our grandparents caused them, etc. We would not be here without billions of causes, from the Big Bang through the cooling of the galaxies and the evolution of the protein molecule to the marriages of our ancestors.

    The universe is a vast and complex chain of causes. But does the universe as a whole have a cause? Is there a first cause, an uncaused cause, a transcendent cause of the whole chain of causes? If not, then there is an infinite regress of causes, with no first link in the great cosmic chain. If there is a first cause, then there is an eternal, necessary, independent, self-explanatory being with nothing above it, before it, or supporting it.

    It would have to explain itself as well as everything else, if it needed something else as its explanation, its reason, its cause, then it would not be the first and uncaused cause. Such a being would have to be God. If we can prove there is such a first cause, we will have proved there is a God.

    Why must there be a first cause? Because if there isn't, then the whole universe is unexplained, and we have violated our Principle of Sufficient Reason for everything.

    If there is no first cause, each particular thing in the universe is explained in the short run, or by some other thing, but nothing is explained in the long run, or ultimately, and the universe as a whole is not explained. Everyone and everything says in turn, "Don't look to me for the final explanation. I'm just an instrument. Something else caused me." If that's all there is, then we have an endless passing of the buck. God is the one who says, "The buck stops here."

    If there is no first cause, then the universe is like a great chain with many links; each link is held up by the link above it, but the whole chain is held up by nothing. If there is no first cause, then the universe is like a railroad train moving without an engine. Each car's motion is explained proximately by the motion of the car in front of it: the caboose moves because the boxcar pulls it, the boxcar moves because the cattle car pulls it, etc. But there is no engine to pull the first car and the whole train. That would be impossible! But that is what the universe is like if there is no first cause: IMPOSSIBLE!


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    Posted: Mar. 8, 2012 - 9:34 PM ET #5189

    Quote Originally Posted by OnlyGod:

    He didn't have to die brother.  He went through that horrible experience even though he could have called on God to destroy the whole world. 

    Many people named Jesus were crucified during the time of the Roman procurator Pontius Pilot. Jesus was one of the most common names of the times, and over 10,000 were crucified in that time. There are no historical records of anyone claiming to be the son of God, born of a virgin, or of a man coming back from the dead and ascending into heaven. Most of these stories were constructed at Constantinople about 300 years later. 

    There is a brief record in Roman history of the crucification of a Jewish troublmaker named Christos.

    That is it. The rest is fiction.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OnlyGod:

    He didn't have to die brother.  He went through that horrible experience even though he could have called on God to destroy the whole world. 

    Many people named Jesus were crucified during the time of the Roman procurator Pontius Pilot. Jesus was one of the most common names of the times, and over 10,000 were crucified in that time. There are no historical records of anyone claiming to be the son of God, born of a virgin, or of a man coming back from the dead and ascending into heaven. Most of these stories were constructed at Constantinople about 300 years later. 

    There is a brief record in Roman history of the crucification of a Jewish troublmaker named Christos.

    That is it. The rest is fiction.


     
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    Posted: Mar. 8, 2012 - 10:48 PM ET #5190

    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    You missed the point. There is no difference between God's. The God that sent Jesus to Earth is the same God that Spinoza is referring to. God is in all and part of all. 

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    Dear Zeus please let smooth and myself into your heaven and line us up with your daughter Aphrodite the Goddess of Love and some of her friends. Please give us all the happy endings we want forever. Amen .....smooth you can thank me when we get up there

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    You missed the point. There is no difference between God's. The God that sent Jesus to Earth is the same God that Spinoza is referring to. God is in all and part of all. 

    This is Great

    Dear Zeus please let smooth and myself into your heaven and line us up with your daughter Aphrodite the Goddess of Love and some of her friends. Please give us all the happy endings we want forever. Amen .....smooth you can thank me when we get up there

     
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    GOD  is the supreme scientist !

    Our varied fields of science has no doubt made significant strides.However, there has been mutability with theories and principles.Moving forward on a path of progress will still render our discoveries mutable,notwithstanding.


    How as of yet,can we expect to understand the wisdom of GOD'S SCIENCE when we are still relatively infantile or at best a teenager in our scientific minds  ? WHEN WE DISCOVER A CURE FOR NATURAL DEATH - THEN, I THINK WE'LL BE IN THE HOMESTRETCH OF SCIENCE !

    Ephesians 6:12 ~ For we are not fighting against people made of flesh and blood,but against persons without bodies - the evil rulers of the unseen world,those mighty satanic beings and great evil princes of darkness who rule this world;and against huge numbers of wicked spirits in the spirit world, (yes,we do fight people of flesh,but this verse refers to the evilness that pervades our world).

    Believing is seeing.Be strong in faith,mind,body,and soul.Cultivate your relationship with GOD.

    GOD BLESS EVERYONE

     

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    GOD  is the supreme scientist !

    Our varied fields of science has no doubt made significant strides.However, there has been mutability with theories and principles.Moving forward on a path of progress will still render our discoveries mutable,notwithstanding.


    How as of yet,can we expect to understand the wisdom of GOD'S SCIENCE when we are still relatively infantile or at best a teenager in our scientific minds  ? WHEN WE DISCOVER A CURE FOR NATURAL DEATH - THEN, I THINK WE'LL BE IN THE HOMESTRETCH OF SCIENCE !

    Ephesians 6:12 ~ For we are not fighting against people made of flesh and blood,but against persons without bodies - the evil rulers of the unseen world,those mighty satanic beings and great evil princes of darkness who rule this world;and against huge numbers of wicked spirits in the spirit world, (yes,we do fight people of flesh,but this verse refers to the evilness that pervades our world).

    Believing is seeing.Be strong in faith,mind,body,and soul.Cultivate your relationship with GOD.

    GOD BLESS EVERYONE

     

     
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    As predicted the atheist couldn't touch SJD's brilliant post #5189. They put up feeble attempts by asking more questions. It's the same questions you find on every page. Do all you guys read from the same playbook? Is there some sort of atheist manifesto that you have to read in order to forget reality? You guys talk about Christians not thinking. I don't think I have ever seen a group this mind controlled in my  life. You guys are under some mass group hysteria reinforcing each other's BS with stuff that makes no sense. Like I have said it's called mental masturbation. That pretty much sums up the atheist philosophy with each other. 
    SJD you hit a Home Run brother clear out the park. and the atheist can't touch it. That post was God inspired. Basically you turned the lights on and the atheist scattered like roaches looking for more atheist food to poison their minds with a bunch of trash when looked at logically that makes no sense whatsoever. 
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    As predicted the atheist couldn't touch SJD's brilliant post #5189. They put up feeble attempts by asking more questions. It's the same questions you find on every page. Do all you guys read from the same playbook? Is there some sort of atheist manifesto that you have to read in order to forget reality? You guys talk about Christians not thinking. I don't think I have ever seen a group this mind controlled in my  life. You guys are under some mass group hysteria reinforcing each other's BS with stuff that makes no sense. Like I have said it's called mental masturbation. That pretty much sums up the atheist philosophy with each other. 
    SJD you hit a Home Run brother clear out the park. and the atheist can't touch it. That post was God inspired. Basically you turned the lights on and the atheist scattered like roaches looking for more atheist food to poison their minds with a bunch of trash when looked at logically that makes no sense whatsoever. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 9, 2012 - 5:31 AM ET #5193

    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyMacR:


    Many people named Jesus were crucified during the time of the Roman procurator Pontius Pilot. Jesus was one of the most common names of the times, and over 10,000 were crucified in that time. There are no historical records of anyone claiming to be the son of God, born of a virgin, or of a man coming back from the dead and ascending into heaven. Most of these stories were constructed at Constantinople about 300 years later. 

    There is a brief record in Roman history of the crucification of a Jewish troublmaker named Christos.

    That is it. The rest is fiction.


    So that's the lie that you have lived with that justifies this fantasy you have. You need to dig deeper son. Maybe just maybe you will find out the truth. In the meantime you just keep telling yourself that BS and hopefully you will realize that you have been grossly misled down the wrong path. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyMacR:


    Many people named Jesus were crucified during the time of the Roman procurator Pontius Pilot. Jesus was one of the most common names of the times, and over 10,000 were crucified in that time. There are no historical records of anyone claiming to be the son of God, born of a virgin, or of a man coming back from the dead and ascending into heaven. Most of these stories were constructed at Constantinople about 300 years later. 

    There is a brief record in Roman history of the crucification of a Jewish troublmaker named Christos.

    That is it. The rest is fiction.


    So that's the lie that you have lived with that justifies this fantasy you have. You need to dig deeper son. Maybe just maybe you will find out the truth. In the meantime you just keep telling yourself that BS and hopefully you will realize that you have been grossly misled down the wrong path. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 9, 2012 - 12:29 PM ET #5194

    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    SJD-Absolutely brilliant sir! You have out atheist the atheist! I love it! BRILLLIANT!!!!! Completely Brilliant. But of course as brilliant as it was the atheist will find ways to continue the discussion with multiple questions and criticisms and calls for more evidence because you must remember they're not interested in answers only avoiding the truth. They will do this at all costs. But for the other independent thinkers who watch our posts I'm sure they get it and you have given them much to think about. Absolutely brilliant!!! Thank you SJD!

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    SJD-Absolutely brilliant sir! You have out atheist the atheist! I love it! BRILLLIANT!!!!! Completely Brilliant. But of course as brilliant as it was the atheist will find ways to continue the discussion with multiple questions and criticisms and calls for more evidence because you must remember they're not interested in answers only avoiding the truth. They will do this at all costs. But for the other independent thinkers who watch our posts I'm sure they get it and you have given them much to think about. Absolutely brilliant!!! Thank you SJD!

     

     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 9, 2012 - 12:37 PM ET #5195

    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    I submit post # 5189 to the theist Hall of Fame. Along with a few other post from some other brilliant minds that have articulated our position so well. The discussion should be over at this point. But let me make a prediction. The atheist will just ignore it or start their barrage of diversions to excuse themselves from the inevitable truth of it all. 

    Yeah! I agree post #5189 belongs in the theist Hall of Fame!

    There are several more parts to this First Cause argument which I mentioned was the work of Saint Thomas Aquinas...a brilliant Saint!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    I submit post # 5189 to the theist Hall of Fame. Along with a few other post from some other brilliant minds that have articulated our position so well. The discussion should be over at this point. But let me make a prediction. The atheist will just ignore it or start their barrage of diversions to excuse themselves from the inevitable truth of it all. 

    Yeah! I agree post #5189 belongs in the theist Hall of Fame!

    There are several more parts to this First Cause argument which I mentioned was the work of Saint Thomas Aquinas...a brilliant Saint!

     
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    Posted: Mar. 9, 2012 - 5:03 PM ET #5196

    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    As predicted the atheist couldn't touch SJD's brilliant post #5189. They put up feeble attempts by asking more questions. It's the same questions you find on every page. Do all you guys read from the same playbook? Is there some sort of atheist manifesto that you have to read in order to forget reality? You guys talk about Christians not thinking. I don't think I have ever seen a group this mind controlled in my  life. You guys are under some mass group hysteria reinforcing each other's BS with stuff that makes no sense. Like I have said it's called mental masturbation. That pretty much sums up the atheist philosophy with each other. 
    SJD you hit a Home Run brother clear out the park. and the atheist can't touch it. That post was God inspired. Basically you turned the lights on and the atheist scattered like roaches looking for more atheist food to poison their minds with a bunch of trash when looked at logically that makes no sense whatsoever. 

    yea, the same questions that none of you can answer

    it must be nice thinking you have all the answers... delusional
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    As predicted the atheist couldn't touch SJD's brilliant post #5189. They put up feeble attempts by asking more questions. It's the same questions you find on every page. Do all you guys read from the same playbook? Is there some sort of atheist manifesto that you have to read in order to forget reality? You guys talk about Christians not thinking. I don't think I have ever seen a group this mind controlled in my  life. You guys are under some mass group hysteria reinforcing each other's BS with stuff that makes no sense. Like I have said it's called mental masturbation. That pretty much sums up the atheist philosophy with each other. 
    SJD you hit a Home Run brother clear out the park. and the atheist can't touch it. That post was God inspired. Basically you turned the lights on and the atheist scattered like roaches looking for more atheist food to poison their minds with a bunch of trash when looked at logically that makes no sense whatsoever. 

    yea, the same questions that none of you can answer

    it must be nice thinking you have all the answers... delusional
     
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    Posted: Mar. 10, 2012 - 1:08 AM ET #5197

    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    As predicted the atheist couldn't touch SJD's brilliant post #5189. They put up feeble attempts by asking more questions. It's the same questions you find on every page. Do all you guys read from the same playbook? Is there some sort of atheist manifesto that you have to read in order to forget reality? You guys talk about Christians not thinking. I don't think I have ever seen a group this mind controlled in my  life. You guys are under some mass group hysteria reinforcing each other's BS with stuff that makes no sense. Like I have said it's called mental masturbation. That pretty much sums up the atheist philosophy with each other. 
    SJD you hit a Home Run brother clear out the park. and the atheist can't touch it. That post was God inspired. Basically you turned the lights on and the atheist scattered like roaches looking for more atheist food to poison their minds with a bunch of trash when looked at logically that makes no sense whatsoever. 


    Smooth, you can't be serious.  You realize the entire thing is opinionated, right?  Not to mention he plagiarized the whole thing...  I notice both of you ignored that part when I mentioned it.  Last time I checked "Thou shall not steal" was still a commandment.

    Come on SJD 
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    As predicted the atheist couldn't touch SJD's brilliant post #5189. They put up feeble attempts by asking more questions. It's the same questions you find on every page. Do all you guys read from the same playbook? Is there some sort of atheist manifesto that you have to read in order to forget reality? You guys talk about Christians not thinking. I don't think I have ever seen a group this mind controlled in my  life. You guys are under some mass group hysteria reinforcing each other's BS with stuff that makes no sense. Like I have said it's called mental masturbation. That pretty much sums up the atheist philosophy with each other. 
    SJD you hit a Home Run brother clear out the park. and the atheist can't touch it. That post was God inspired. Basically you turned the lights on and the atheist scattered like roaches looking for more atheist food to poison their minds with a bunch of trash when looked at logically that makes no sense whatsoever. 


    Smooth, you can't be serious.  You realize the entire thing is opinionated, right?  Not to mention he plagiarized the whole thing...  I notice both of you ignored that part when I mentioned it.  Last time I checked "Thou shall not steal" was still a commandment.

    Come on SJD 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 10, 2012 - 5:23 AM ET #5198

    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    yea, the same questions that none of you can answer

    it must be nice thinking you have all the answers... delusional
    You calling us delusional is like the pot calling the kettle black (no pun intended) and seriously the atheist haven't answered a serious question on this thread since it started. All you ever do is dismiss anything and everything we say. You accept my recent challenge and we will answer some of your questions. But until you guys put some action behind your words this will continue to be mental masturbation on your part. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    yea, the same questions that none of you can answer

    it must be nice thinking you have all the answers... delusional
    You calling us delusional is like the pot calling the kettle black (no pun intended) and seriously the atheist haven't answered a serious question on this thread since it started. All you ever do is dismiss anything and everything we say. You accept my recent challenge and we will answer some of your questions. But until you guys put some action behind your words this will continue to be mental masturbation on your part. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 10, 2012 - 5:27 AM ET #5199

    You would think that as much trash as the atheist talk that they would jump at anything to prove their point but alas like I have said they're not interested in any progress just constant chatter back and forth where nothing is ever resolved because they're too busy running away from themselves.
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    You would think that as much trash as the atheist talk that they would jump at anything to prove their point but alas like I have said they're not interested in any progress just constant chatter back and forth where nothing is ever resolved because they're too busy running away from themselves.
     
     
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    You would think that as much trash as the atheist talk that they would jump at anything to prove their point but alas like I have said they're not interested in any progress just constant chatter back and forth where nothing is ever resolved because they're too busy running away from themselves.
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    You would think that as much trash as the atheist talk that they would jump at anything to prove their point but alas like I have said they're not interested in any progress just constant chatter back and forth where nothing is ever resolved because they're too busy running away from themselves.
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