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    If Christ died on the cross for all of humanity

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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2012 - 12:15 AM ET #5151

    SJD- I feel you man but the atheist just can't wrap their head around that simple concept. They're so busy being busy they can't stand the truth. The atheist remind of Jack Nicholson in the movie "A few good men" they just can't handle the truth.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo That's a real as it get fellas. I have given example after example, challenge upon challenges waiting for one atheist to stop for a minute and just think about the impossibility of your thinking. No takers.Oh we have had some half hearted fakers pretend like they don't know what I'm talking about. But not a single atheist on this thread has been willing to do any type of action to at least test this absurd notion that there is no God. 
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    SJD- I feel you man but the atheist just can't wrap their head around that simple concept. They're so busy being busy they can't stand the truth. The atheist remind of Jack Nicholson in the movie "A few good men" they just can't handle the truth.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo That's a real as it get fellas. I have given example after example, challenge upon challenges waiting for one atheist to stop for a minute and just think about the impossibility of your thinking. No takers.Oh we have had some half hearted fakers pretend like they don't know what I'm talking about. But not a single atheist on this thread has been willing to do any type of action to at least test this absurd notion that there is no God. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2012 - 12:16 AM ET #5152

    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarhouse:

    What are the chances that roses are red, my love, and whatever will be will be?
    You're a funny dude Sugarhouse. I love it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarhouse:

    What are the chances that roses are red, my love, and whatever will be will be?
    You're a funny dude Sugarhouse. I love it.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2012 - 12:18 AM ET #5153

    Bobby Vinton now that's a flashback for your monkey butts!
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    Bobby Vinton now that's a flashback for your monkey butts!
     
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2012 - 12:32 AM ET #5154

     Since we're on the music tip how about a song from the Rev. Al Green. Love and Happiness
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     Since we're on the music tip how about a song from the Rev. Al Green. Love and Happiness
     
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2012 - 12:33 AM ET #5155

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=133D62ml9mU
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=133D62ml9mU
     
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2012 - 3:21 AM ET #5156

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    The problem atheists have is not understanding that existence can not happen by accident, there has to be a cause.



    Prove it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    The problem atheists have is not understanding that existence can not happen by accident, there has to be a cause.



    Prove it.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2012 - 3:27 AM ET #5157

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    If you found a clock and examined the mechanism within it, you would probably think that this intricate mechanism was not the outcome of mere chance, that it had been designed.

    Why irreducible complexity is wrong.

    I know.  Big words, right SJD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    If you found a clock and examined the mechanism within it, you would probably think that this intricate mechanism was not the outcome of mere chance, that it had been designed.

    Why irreducible complexity is wrong.

    I know.  Big words, right SJD?

     
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2012 - 9:12 AM ET #5158

    "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." Blaise Pascal
    I'd rather be playing D&D.
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    "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." Blaise Pascal
     
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2012 - 10:34 AM ET #5159

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

    Why irreducible complexity is wrong.

    I know.  Big words, right SJD?


    he won't understand, too simple minded....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:

    Why irreducible complexity is wrong.

    I know.  Big words, right SJD?


    he won't understand, too simple minded....
     
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2012 - 10:36 AM ET #5160

    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    As long as you believe in a Higher Power you are lights years ahead of the atheists believe me.

    ok
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    As long as you believe in a Higher Power you are lights years ahead of the atheists believe me.

    ok
     
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2012 - 2:49 PM ET #5161

    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." Blaise Pascal
    This is actually true because of man's need to control other man. Praise the Lord and pass the bullets is the order of the day. We can only pray that man learns the errors of his ways. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." Blaise Pascal
    This is actually true because of man's need to control other man. Praise the Lord and pass the bullets is the order of the day. We can only pray that man learns the errors of his ways. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2012 - 2:57 PM ET #5162

    Religious fanaticism is once again setting the stage for a major war as the Iranians seem hell bent on gaining nukes while telling the world they only want them peaceful reasons. The fanatical brand of Islam that we see today sweeping the world has it's birthplace in Iran as the Muslim clerics there have been in power for about 33 years. Their stated goal is the destruction of Israel while they dominate the Arabs in the region. Major decisions will be made in the coming months and years and this will determine if we will go to war or not. We must have faith that our leaders make the right decisions to avoid war if possible. 
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    Religious fanaticism is once again setting the stage for a major war as the Iranians seem hell bent on gaining nukes while telling the world they only want them peaceful reasons. The fanatical brand of Islam that we see today sweeping the world has it's birthplace in Iran as the Muslim clerics there have been in power for about 33 years. Their stated goal is the destruction of Israel while they dominate the Arabs in the region. Major decisions will be made in the coming months and years and this will determine if we will go to war or not. We must have faith that our leaders make the right decisions to avoid war if possible. 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2012 - 3:07 PM ET #5163

    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Religious fanaticism is once again setting the stage for a major war as the Iranians seem hell bent on gaining nukes while telling the world they only want them peaceful reasons. The fanatical brand of Islam that we see today sweeping the world has it's birthplace in Iran as the Muslim clerics there have been in power for about 33 years. Their stated goal is the destruction of Israel while they dominate the Arabs in the region. Major decisions will be made in the coming months and years and this will determine if we will go to war or not. We must have faith that our leaders make the right decisions to avoid war if possible. 
    Your racism in full bloom, and bigotry again, oh my...
    I'd rather be playing D&D.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Religious fanaticism is once again setting the stage for a major war as the Iranians seem hell bent on gaining nukes while telling the world they only want them peaceful reasons. The fanatical brand of Islam that we see today sweeping the world has it's birthplace in Iran as the Muslim clerics there have been in power for about 33 years. Their stated goal is the destruction of Israel while they dominate the Arabs in the region. Major decisions will be made in the coming months and years and this will determine if we will go to war or not. We must have faith that our leaders make the right decisions to avoid war if possible. 
    Your racism in full bloom, and bigotry again, oh my...
     
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2012 - 4:48 PM ET #5164

    you don't pray to the cross! You pray to the ALMIGHTY ! Jesus Christ is a part of GOD as is the HOLY GHOST and the GODHEAD. that why they call it a trinity! the cross is just a symbol of remembrance.
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    you don't pray to the cross! You pray to the ALMIGHTY ! Jesus Christ is a part of GOD as is the HOLY GHOST and the GODHEAD. that why they call it a trinity! the cross is just a symbol of remembrance.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2012 - 5:10 PM ET #5165

    We must have faith that our leaders make the right decisions to avoid war if possible. 
    ______________

    Why?  What effect is your faith in them going to have on their ability to make the right decisions?  There is no cause and effect.  Why can't we just hope they make the right decisions? 
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    We must have faith that our leaders make the right decisions to avoid war if possible. 
    ______________

    Why?  What effect is your faith in them going to have on their ability to make the right decisions?  There is no cause and effect.  Why can't we just hope they make the right decisions? 
     
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    Posted: Mar. 6, 2012 - 6:11 PM ET #5166

    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    I'm not talking about atheists or anyone being of "afraid" of God. God doesn't want you to "fear" him. I'm referring to the attacks that the atheist unleash on people of faith who praise God. Those attacks are based on fear. If you don't believe in God why would you (not you personally but you in general) attack people who do. This is the entire atheist philosophy and they have it in common with fundamentalist of all stripes. Whether they're Christian, Muslim, Hindu or person. Fundamentalism is ruled by fear. Atheists are fearful so they attack. As you say I don't believe in Unicorns either but I wouldn't argue with people everyday who do. Why? If you don't believe so be it. Why argue, discuss or even entertain thoughts that you don't believe in. 

    I agree with this for the most part.  I don't agree that all athiests are fearful.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    I'm not talking about atheists or anyone being of "afraid" of God. God doesn't want you to "fear" him. I'm referring to the attacks that the atheist unleash on people of faith who praise God. Those attacks are based on fear. If you don't believe in God why would you (not you personally but you in general) attack people who do. This is the entire atheist philosophy and they have it in common with fundamentalist of all stripes. Whether they're Christian, Muslim, Hindu or person. Fundamentalism is ruled by fear. Atheists are fearful so they attack. As you say I don't believe in Unicorns either but I wouldn't argue with people everyday who do. Why? If you don't believe so be it. Why argue, discuss or even entertain thoughts that you don't believe in. 

    I agree with this for the most part.  I don't agree that all athiests are fearful.  
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2012 - 3:05 AM ET #5167

    Quote Originally Posted by masjes:

    you don't pray to the cross! You pray to the ALMIGHTY ! Jesus Christ is a part of GOD as is the HOLY GHOST and the GODHEAD. that why they call it a trinity! the cross is just a symbol of remembrance.


    3 gods = pagan

    Stop saying they count as one.  That's such a copout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by masjes:

    you don't pray to the cross! You pray to the ALMIGHTY ! Jesus Christ is a part of GOD as is the HOLY GHOST and the GODHEAD. that why they call it a trinity! the cross is just a symbol of remembrance.


    3 gods = pagan

    Stop saying they count as one.  That's such a copout.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2012 - 4:38 AM ET #5168

    Ok I just became aware of a situation that needs our support. Let's put some action behind our concern for the world. Atheist, Christians, Muslims, person and every other ideology. Ever hear of Joseph Kony? Well you need to know. Join me in helping make this guy famous. Watch this  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc&lc=xlpCIqZPy5yhXdryMyisBVsGfeDIuuWLfDMblG8ubeY&feature=inbox
    Hopefully you guys will watch this and help spread the word.
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    Ok I just became aware of a situation that needs our support. Let's put some action behind our concern for the world. Atheist, Christians, Muslims, person and every other ideology. Ever hear of Joseph Kony? Well you need to know. Join me in helping make this guy famous. Watch this  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc&lc=xlpCIqZPy5yhXdryMyisBVsGfeDIuuWLfDMblG8ubeY&feature=inbox
    Hopefully you guys will watch this and help spread the word.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2012 - 2:41 PM ET #5169

    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." Blaise Pascal

    "When I see all the glories of the cosmos, I can't help but believe that there is a divine hand behind it all."...Albert Einstein

    "People travel to wonder at the height of mountains, at the huge waves of the sea, at the vast compass of the ocean, at the circular motion of the stars and they pass themselves by without wondering."...St. Augustine

    I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."...C.S. Lewis

    Some people complain because God puts thorns on roses, while others prasie God for putting roses among thorns."...Author Unknown

    A heathen philosopher once asked a Christian, Where is God? The Christian answered, Let me first ask you: Where is He not?...Aaron Arrowsmith

    "What I am really interested in, is knowing whether God could have created the world in a different way; in other words, whether the requirement of logical simplicity admits a margin of freedom."...Albert Einsten

    "My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible Universe, forms my idea of God."...Albert Einstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagerfury:

    "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." Blaise Pascal

    "When I see all the glories of the cosmos, I can't help but believe that there is a divine hand behind it all."...Albert Einstein

    "People travel to wonder at the height of mountains, at the huge waves of the sea, at the vast compass of the ocean, at the circular motion of the stars and they pass themselves by without wondering."...St. Augustine

    I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."...C.S. Lewis

    Some people complain because God puts thorns on roses, while others prasie God for putting roses among thorns."...Author Unknown

    A heathen philosopher once asked a Christian, Where is God? The Christian answered, Let me first ask you: Where is He not?...Aaron Arrowsmith

    "What I am really interested in, is knowing whether God could have created the world in a different way; in other words, whether the requirement of logical simplicity admits a margin of freedom."...Albert Einsten

    "My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible Universe, forms my idea of God."...Albert Einstein

     
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    "When I see all the glories of the cosmos, I can't help but believe that there is a divine hand behind it all."...Albert Einstein
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    He said "believe" not "know."

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    I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.".
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    It's his personal experience.  And notice that he uses the word "believe," not "know."

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    "That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible Universe, forms my idea of God."
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    He has an "emotional" conviction of a "superior power" based on his observations.  Once again, that's his personal experience.  
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    "When I see all the glories of the cosmos, I can't help but believe that there is a divine hand behind it all."...Albert Einstein
    _____________

    He said "believe" not "know."

    ___________________________________

    I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.".
    ____________

    It's his personal experience.  And notice that he uses the word "believe," not "know."

    __________________________________

    "That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible Universe, forms my idea of God."
    ___________

    He has an "emotional" conviction of a "superior power" based on his observations.  Once again, that's his personal experience.  
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2012 - 4:34 PM ET #5171

    QUOTE Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    The problem atheists have is not understanding that existence can not happen by accident, there has to be a cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    Prove it.

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    Prove to me I'm wrong?...lol  It's just common sense isn't it?...lol

    I'll just briefly give an explanation and provide a short illustration to make my point.

    The most famous of all arguments for the existence of God are the "five ways" of Saint Thomas Aquinas.

    One of the five ways, the fifth, is the argument from design and the other four are versions of the first-cause argument.

    The argument is basically very simple, natural, intuitive, and commonsensical. It is based on an instinct of mind that we all share, the instinct that says everything needs an explanation.

     Nothing just is without a reason why it is. Everything that is has some adequate or sufficient reason why it is. Philosophers call this the Principle of Sufficient Reason.

    We use it every day, in common sense and in science as well as in philosophy and theology.

    If we saw a rabbit suddenly appear on an empty table, we would not blandly say, "Hi, rabbit. You came from nowhere, didn't you?" No, we would look for a cause, assuming there has to be one.

    Did the rabbit fall from the ceiling? Did a magician put it there when we weren't looking? If there seems to be no physical cause, we look for a psychological cause: perhaps someone hypnotized us. As a last resort, we look for a supernatural cause, a miracle.

     But there must be some cause. We never deny the Principle of Sufficient Reason itself. No one believes the Pop Theory: that things just pop into existence for no reason at all.

    Perhaps we will never find the cause, but there must be a cause for everything that comes into existence.

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    QUOTE Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    The problem atheists have is not understanding that existence can not happen by accident, there has to be a cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:



    Prove it.

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    Prove to me I'm wrong?...lol  It's just common sense isn't it?...lol

    I'll just briefly give an explanation and provide a short illustration to make my point.

    The most famous of all arguments for the existence of God are the "five ways" of Saint Thomas Aquinas.

    One of the five ways, the fifth, is the argument from design and the other four are versions of the first-cause argument.

    The argument is basically very simple, natural, intuitive, and commonsensical. It is based on an instinct of mind that we all share, the instinct that says everything needs an explanation.

     Nothing just is without a reason why it is. Everything that is has some adequate or sufficient reason why it is. Philosophers call this the Principle of Sufficient Reason.

    We use it every day, in common sense and in science as well as in philosophy and theology.

    If we saw a rabbit suddenly appear on an empty table, we would not blandly say, "Hi, rabbit. You came from nowhere, didn't you?" No, we would look for a cause, assuming there has to be one.

    Did the rabbit fall from the ceiling? Did a magician put it there when we weren't looking? If there seems to be no physical cause, we look for a psychological cause: perhaps someone hypnotized us. As a last resort, we look for a supernatural cause, a miracle.

     But there must be some cause. We never deny the Principle of Sufficient Reason itself. No one believes the Pop Theory: that things just pop into existence for no reason at all.

    Perhaps we will never find the cause, but there must be a cause for everything that comes into existence.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2012 - 4:45 PM ET #5172

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    "When I see all the glories of the cosmos, I can't help but believe that there is a divine hand behind it all."...Albert Einstein

    "People travel to wonder at the height of mountains, at the huge waves of the sea, at the vast compass of the ocean, at the circular motion of the stars and they pass themselves by without wondering."...St. Augustine

    I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."...C.S. Lewis

    Some people complain because God puts thorns on roses, while others prasie God for putting roses among thorns."...Author Unknown

    A heathen philosopher once asked a Christian, Where is God? The Christian answered, Let me first ask you: Where is He not?...Aaron Arrowsmith

    "What I am really interested in, is knowing whether God could have created the world in a different way; in other words, whether the requirement of logical simplicity admits a margin of freedom."...Albert Einsten

    "My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible Universe, forms my idea of God."...Albert Einstein

    Einstein believed in Spinoza's God which rejects your Jesus God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

    "When I see all the glories of the cosmos, I can't help but believe that there is a divine hand behind it all."...Albert Einstein

    "People travel to wonder at the height of mountains, at the huge waves of the sea, at the vast compass of the ocean, at the circular motion of the stars and they pass themselves by without wondering."...St. Augustine

    I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."...C.S. Lewis

    Some people complain because God puts thorns on roses, while others prasie God for putting roses among thorns."...Author Unknown

    A heathen philosopher once asked a Christian, Where is God? The Christian answered, Let me first ask you: Where is He not?...Aaron Arrowsmith

    "What I am really interested in, is knowing whether God could have created the world in a different way; in other words, whether the requirement of logical simplicity admits a margin of freedom."...Albert Einsten

    "My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible Universe, forms my idea of God."...Albert Einstein

    Einstein believed in Spinoza's God which rejects your Jesus God.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2012 - 5:02 PM ET #5173

    The problem atheists have is not understanding that existence can not happen by accident, there has to be a cause.
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    But this doesn't apply to God?  Why can something supernatural or spiritual come into existence from nothing?
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    The problem atheists have is not understanding that existence can not happen by accident, there has to be a cause.
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    But this doesn't apply to God?  Why can something supernatural or spiritual come into existence from nothing?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2012 - 5:08 PM ET #5174

    In a letter to Beatrice Frohlich, 17 December 1952 Einstein stated, "The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naïve."  And to Eric Gutkind he wrote, "The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilised interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text.
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    This from Wiki.  Me thinks SJD is still in need of some enlightening. And this does not mean that Einstein is right.  It just means that SJD is taking things completely out of context.  
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    In a letter to Beatrice Frohlich, 17 December 1952 Einstein stated, "The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naïve."  And to Eric Gutkind he wrote, "The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilised interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text.
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    This from Wiki.  Me thinks SJD is still in need of some enlightening. And this does not mean that Einstein is right.  It just means that SJD is taking things completely out of context.  
     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 7, 2012 - 5:10 PM ET #5175

    In the interest of being fair.  Objectivity....what a wonderful thing.

    Einstein said, "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views.

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    In the interest of being fair.  Objectivity....what a wonderful thing.

    Einstein said, "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views.

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