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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 3:15 PM ET #3626

    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    General question: How come god wrote the New Testament? What was wrong with the Old Testament? Why would god, an all perfect god, write a book that was so wrong that he needed to write an entirely new one to revise his mistakes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    General question: How come god wrote the New Testament? What was wrong with the Old Testament? Why would god, an all perfect god, write a book that was so wrong that he needed to write an entirely new one to revise his mistakes?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 3:17 PM ET #3627

    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

     
    Appeal to motive....invalid argument...lol
     
     
     
     

    You still don't know what it means lol maybe you should learn what it is before trying to talk about it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJohnDrake:

     
    Appeal to motive....invalid argument...lol
     
     
     
     

    You still don't know what it means lol maybe you should learn what it is before trying to talk about it.


     
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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 3:35 PM ET #3628

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    I don't care what you concern yourself with. A lot of people read the bible and think god wants them to kill homosexuals

    If you can show me that Jesus Christ who is God, teaches us to kill homosexuals, i will agree with you. Just show me, and i will agree with you.

    I have a gripe against anyone who hates another person because they think their god or religion wants them to.

    Jesus Christ does not teach anyone to kill or hate anyone, cant you get that through your thick skull? Are you seriously that demented in the head?

    Right, but those aren't the people running around with signs that say "god hates people". I also don't condone the feelings of those non-believers, by the way.

    2 things.....

    If those people are real Christians, then they would follow the bible and not pass judgement as is clealry instructed.

    So, in your view, it is ok not to be a believer, go around and bash homosexuals because of homophbia, but it is not ok to put banners and signs up saying God hates person sexuals?

    For the 100th time, stop using equivocation because you don't know the meaning. And considering the post I made was about organized religion, I can surely throw all organized religions into one basket.

    Ok, then, if i used equivocation correctly and i dont know what it means, point out to me how i dont know what it means?

    When did I say this is an argument against god? Okay I didn't

    Thats the point, you dont believe in God, therefore his rules, yet you argue against them? You state an example about God teaching people to kill homosexuals which i have NEVER Seen a Christian kill a homosexual because God told them to yet you are mute when non believes bash homosexuals for fun......

    You are so blind.....How does the old saying go? "A camel doesnt see its own hump".



    Rostos just keeps twisting around everything I say.  Did I say christ teaches to kill homosexuals? No, I said, if you could read, that there are people who read the bible and think god wants them to kill people.  Maybe get that through your thick skull...

    Do you not understand the word condone?  I said I don't condone their feelings.  No one should think like that.  You should keep a dictionary at hand.

    Equivocation is not throwing all religions into one basket, like you seem to think.  I'm not here to be your personal dictionary.  Just stop using the word.  Stick to words with fewer letters.

    And I will repeat this because I guess you didn't read it the first time.  My post had nothing to do with the existence of god or his "rules".  It was about organized religion.  If there were millions of people who believed harry potter was their god and he wanted them to hurt other people, then I think you would or should have a problem with that.  Do you understand?  I'm talking about ALL organized religions here.  Don't post about the teachings of christ again because I don't know what that would have to do with let's say Islam...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    I don't care what you concern yourself with. A lot of people read the bible and think god wants them to kill homosexuals

    If you can show me that Jesus Christ who is God, teaches us to kill homosexuals, i will agree with you. Just show me, and i will agree with you.

    I have a gripe against anyone who hates another person because they think their god or religion wants them to.

    Jesus Christ does not teach anyone to kill or hate anyone, cant you get that through your thick skull? Are you seriously that demented in the head?

    Right, but those aren't the people running around with signs that say "god hates people". I also don't condone the feelings of those non-believers, by the way.

    2 things.....

    If those people are real Christians, then they would follow the bible and not pass judgement as is clealry instructed.

    So, in your view, it is ok not to be a believer, go around and bash homosexuals because of homophbia, but it is not ok to put banners and signs up saying God hates person sexuals?

    For the 100th time, stop using equivocation because you don't know the meaning. And considering the post I made was about organized religion, I can surely throw all organized religions into one basket.

    Ok, then, if i used equivocation correctly and i dont know what it means, point out to me how i dont know what it means?

    When did I say this is an argument against god? Okay I didn't

    Thats the point, you dont believe in God, therefore his rules, yet you argue against them? You state an example about God teaching people to kill homosexuals which i have NEVER Seen a Christian kill a homosexual because God told them to yet you are mute when non believes bash homosexuals for fun......

    You are so blind.....How does the old saying go? "A camel doesnt see its own hump".



    Rostos just keeps twisting around everything I say.  Did I say christ teaches to kill homosexuals? No, I said, if you could read, that there are people who read the bible and think god wants them to kill people.  Maybe get that through your thick skull...

    Do you not understand the word condone?  I said I don't condone their feelings.  No one should think like that.  You should keep a dictionary at hand.

    Equivocation is not throwing all religions into one basket, like you seem to think.  I'm not here to be your personal dictionary.  Just stop using the word.  Stick to words with fewer letters.

    And I will repeat this because I guess you didn't read it the first time.  My post had nothing to do with the existence of god or his "rules".  It was about organized religion.  If there were millions of people who believed harry potter was their god and he wanted them to hurt other people, then I think you would or should have a problem with that.  Do you understand?  I'm talking about ALL organized religions here.  Don't post about the teachings of christ again because I don't know what that would have to do with let's say Islam...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 6:42 PM ET #3629

    Quote Originally Posted by CRRECORDS:

    ros and his twists...eternal damnation for not believing in your cult is bad for children

    prayer does not work....try praying for no suffering....try praying for 1 year of no murdering.....try praying for the regrowth of a limb. 

    What a disgrace to call Hitler an atheist...an insult to all atheists. Hitler was a catholic

    Pol Pot was Theravad Buddhist

    Pol study 1 year at a buddhist monastery and 8 years at a catholic school

    Stalin was a paranoid who killed millions to consolidate his power. Totalitarianism, not atheism, was the driving force or causal link. Those who claim he was killing because of atheism conveniently ignore facts that show their claim to be bogus.

     Theists want to pretend that all the various elements of communist totalitarianism were irrelevant to what happened, which is utter nonsense.

     

    There is no twist whatsoever......

    So let me get this straight, it is wrong to scare someone  about stealing, murdering, lying, raping etc? . maybe if everyone followed the 10 commandments and were really fearful of Gods wrath, the world will be a 100 times better place to live in rather than man thinking he is his own God and him thinking what is right and wrong...

    Prayers does not work? Who told you that? Have you tried it? Oh, let me guet this straight, someone did a study on prayer on one of your fav atheist websites......Let me just ask you one question, what is the time frame for those prayers? 1 month, 3 months, 1 year? Tell me? Does God give time frames?

    Hitler a catholic? LOLOLOL

    Hitler was born into a catholic family then into his adulthood "ditched it"

    Hitler on Christianity

    "The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the person. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)"

    "The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death"

    That sounds real Christian to me.........

    So because he was raised as a catholic, that means he continued to be a catholic? Thats like saying Brad Pitt is a virgin because he was a virgin as a child....

    Pol Pot a "Theravad Buddhist"...Sure, but they dont velieve God exists.......which the last time i checked, that is what an atheist is....

    regarding Stalin, mayve if he did believe in God he would not have killed 20 mill people....Conviniently make up an excuse for the worst murderes in history.

    Mate, your arguments are very bad, that is why atheism makes up only about 5% of the worlds population, because it is weak, cannot be defended and is rubbish.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRRECORDS:

    ros and his twists...eternal damnation for not believing in your cult is bad for children

    prayer does not work....try praying for no suffering....try praying for 1 year of no murdering.....try praying for the regrowth of a limb. 

    What a disgrace to call Hitler an atheist...an insult to all atheists. Hitler was a catholic

    Pol Pot was Theravad Buddhist

    Pol study 1 year at a buddhist monastery and 8 years at a catholic school

    Stalin was a paranoid who killed millions to consolidate his power. Totalitarianism, not atheism, was the driving force or causal link. Those who claim he was killing because of atheism conveniently ignore facts that show their claim to be bogus.

     Theists want to pretend that all the various elements of communist totalitarianism were irrelevant to what happened, which is utter nonsense.

     

    There is no twist whatsoever......

    So let me get this straight, it is wrong to scare someone  about stealing, murdering, lying, raping etc? . maybe if everyone followed the 10 commandments and were really fearful of Gods wrath, the world will be a 100 times better place to live in rather than man thinking he is his own God and him thinking what is right and wrong...

    Prayers does not work? Who told you that? Have you tried it? Oh, let me guet this straight, someone did a study on prayer on one of your fav atheist websites......Let me just ask you one question, what is the time frame for those prayers? 1 month, 3 months, 1 year? Tell me? Does God give time frames?

    Hitler a catholic? LOLOLOL

    Hitler was born into a catholic family then into his adulthood "ditched it"

    Hitler on Christianity

    "The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the person. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)"

    "The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death"

    That sounds real Christian to me.........

    So because he was raised as a catholic, that means he continued to be a catholic? Thats like saying Brad Pitt is a virgin because he was a virgin as a child....

    Pol Pot a "Theravad Buddhist"...Sure, but they dont velieve God exists.......which the last time i checked, that is what an atheist is....

    regarding Stalin, mayve if he did believe in God he would not have killed 20 mill people....Conviniently make up an excuse for the worst murderes in history.

    Mate, your arguments are very bad, that is why atheism makes up only about 5% of the worlds population, because it is weak, cannot be defended and is rubbish.

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 6:55 PM ET #3630

    Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism

    (Selected quotes from Mein Kampf)

    compiled by Jim Walker

    Originated: 28 Nov. 1996
    Additions made: 07 July 2001


    Many American books, television documentaries, and Sunday sermons that preach of Hitler's "evil" have eliminated Hitler's god for their Christian audiences, but one only has to read from his own writings to appreciate that Hitler's God equals the same God of the Christian Bible. Hitler held many hysterical beliefs which not only include, God and Providence but also Fate, Social Darwinism, and ideological politics. He spoke, unashamedly, about God, fanaticism, idealism, dogma, and the power of propaganda. Hitler held strong faith in all his convictions. He justified his fight for the German people and against person by using Godly and Biblical reasoning. Indeed, one of his most revealing statements makes this quite clear:

    "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the person, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

    Although Hitler did not practice religion in a churchly sense, he certainly believed in the Bible's God. Raised as Catholic he went to a monastery school and, interestingly, walked everyday past a stone arch which was carved the monastery's coat of arms which included a swastika. As a young boy, Hitler's most ardent goal was to become a priest. Much of his philosophy came from the Bible, and more influentially, from the Christian Social movement. (The German Christian Social movement, remarkably, resembles the Christian Right movement in America today.) Many have questioned Hitler's stand on Christianity. Although he fought against certain Catholic priests who opposed him for political reasons, his belief in God and country never left him. Many Christians throughout history have opposed Christian priests for various reasons; this does not necessarily make one against one's own Christian beliefs. Nor did the Vatican's Pope & bishops ever disown him; in fact they blessed him! As evidence to his claimed Christianity, he said:

    "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these person for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

    -Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

    Hitler's anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Christian Austria and Germany in his time took for granted the belief that person held an inferior status to Aryan Christians. Jewish hatred did not spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for person and their Jewish religion. In his book, "On the person and their Lies," Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War II. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther.

    Hitler did not have to parade his belief in God, as so many American Christians do now. Nor did he have to justify his Godly belief against an Atheist movement. He took his beliefs for granted just as most Germans did at that time. His thrust aimed at politics, not religion. But through his political and religious reasoning he established in 1933, a German Reich Christian Church, uniting the Protestant churches to instill faith in a national German Christianity.

    Future generations should remember that Adolph Hitler could not have come into power without the support of the Protestant and Catholic churches and the German Christian populace.

    The following quotes provides some of Hitler's expressions of his belief in religion, faith, fanaticism, Providence, and even a few of his paraphrasing of the Bible. It by no means represents the totality of Hitler's concerns. To realize the full context of these quotes, I implore the reader to study Mein Kampf.

    The purpose of this text intends to dispute the claims made by Christians that Hitler "was an atheist," or "anti-religious," and to reveal the dangers of belief-systems. This text in no way attempts to give endorsement to anti-Semitism.

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    Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism

    (Selected quotes from Mein Kampf)

    compiled by Jim Walker

    Originated: 28 Nov. 1996
    Additions made: 07 July 2001


    Many American books, television documentaries, and Sunday sermons that preach of Hitler's "evil" have eliminated Hitler's god for their Christian audiences, but one only has to read from his own writings to appreciate that Hitler's God equals the same God of the Christian Bible. Hitler held many hysterical beliefs which not only include, God and Providence but also Fate, Social Darwinism, and ideological politics. He spoke, unashamedly, about God, fanaticism, idealism, dogma, and the power of propaganda. Hitler held strong faith in all his convictions. He justified his fight for the German people and against person by using Godly and Biblical reasoning. Indeed, one of his most revealing statements makes this quite clear:

    "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the person, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

    Although Hitler did not practice religion in a churchly sense, he certainly believed in the Bible's God. Raised as Catholic he went to a monastery school and, interestingly, walked everyday past a stone arch which was carved the monastery's coat of arms which included a swastika. As a young boy, Hitler's most ardent goal was to become a priest. Much of his philosophy came from the Bible, and more influentially, from the Christian Social movement. (The German Christian Social movement, remarkably, resembles the Christian Right movement in America today.) Many have questioned Hitler's stand on Christianity. Although he fought against certain Catholic priests who opposed him for political reasons, his belief in God and country never left him. Many Christians throughout history have opposed Christian priests for various reasons; this does not necessarily make one against one's own Christian beliefs. Nor did the Vatican's Pope & bishops ever disown him; in fact they blessed him! As evidence to his claimed Christianity, he said:

    "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these person for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

    -Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

    Hitler's anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Christian Austria and Germany in his time took for granted the belief that person held an inferior status to Aryan Christians. Jewish hatred did not spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for person and their Jewish religion. In his book, "On the person and their Lies," Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War II. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther.

    Hitler did not have to parade his belief in God, as so many American Christians do now. Nor did he have to justify his Godly belief against an Atheist movement. He took his beliefs for granted just as most Germans did at that time. His thrust aimed at politics, not religion. But through his political and religious reasoning he established in 1933, a German Reich Christian Church, uniting the Protestant churches to instill faith in a national German Christianity.

    Future generations should remember that Adolph Hitler could not have come into power without the support of the Protestant and Catholic churches and the German Christian populace.

    The following quotes provides some of Hitler's expressions of his belief in religion, faith, fanaticism, Providence, and even a few of his paraphrasing of the Bible. It by no means represents the totality of Hitler's concerns. To realize the full context of these quotes, I implore the reader to study Mein Kampf.

    The purpose of this text intends to dispute the claims made by Christians that Hitler "was an atheist," or "anti-religious," and to reveal the dangers of belief-systems. This text in no way attempts to give endorsement to anti-Semitism.

     
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    Rostos just keeps twisting around everything I say.  Did I say christ teaches to kill homosexuals? No, I said, if you could read, that there are people who read the bible and think god wants them to kill people.  Maybe get that through your thick skull...
     
    That means they are not Christians if they believe that. How come i dont get the message out of the bible to kill person sexuals? Why not? The OT apllies under a DIFFERENT LAW.
     
    This is what effectively you are doing. When the car was first invented, there was no law saying you cant drink and drive, its like me getting that law book, getting drunk, then going off in my car, if i get pulled over, i bring out the law book from several years ago which shows it is not illegal to drink and drive....What is the police officer going to say to me?
    Do you not understand the word condone?  I said I don't condone their feelings.  No one should think like that.  You should keep a dictionary at hand.
     
    Who cares what their feeling are. They are not true Christians if they put those slogans up, as the bible clearly teaches not to judge others, which is what they are doing, judging. Those people who put those banners up could be worse people than person sexuals, you dont know.

    Equivocation is not throwing all religions into one basket, like you seem to think.  I'm not here to be your personal dictionary.  Just stop using the word.  Stick to words with fewer letters.
     
    So all religions are the same? Chirstianity believes in God,  Theravad Buddhist rejects the idea of a God...They sound the same to me............Your equivocating of all religions the same is horrible.

    And I will repeat this because I guess you didn't read it the first time.  My post had nothing to do with the existence of god or his "rules".  It was about organized religion.  If there were millions of people who believed harry potter was their god and he wanted them to hurt other people, then I think you would or should have a problem with that.  Do you understand?  I'm talking about ALL organized religions here.  Don't post about the teachings of christ again because I don't know what that would have to do with let's say Islam...
     
    You conviniently dont want me to talk about Christ, that is your biggest problem, why? Because his teachings which are central to Christianity are full of goodness and love. That is your biggest problem aint it.
     
    I wouldnt care one bit if people wanted to believe in Harry Potter, as long as they dont break any of the laws, it wont bother me, it is a free world isnt it? People can do what they want as long as it is within the state laws.
     
    If people are true Chirstians, they would follow the ten commandments and try to live the life that Christ did.........Yet you have a problem with this....get outta here..
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikniks:


    Rostos just keeps twisting around everything I say.  Did I say christ teaches to kill homosexuals? No, I said, if you could read, that there are people who read the bible and think god wants them to kill people.  Maybe get that through your thick skull...
     
    That means they are not Christians if they believe that. How come i dont get the message out of the bible to kill person sexuals? Why not? The OT apllies under a DIFFERENT LAW.
     
    This is what effectively you are doing. When the car was first invented, there was no law saying you cant drink and drive, its like me getting that law book, getting drunk, then going off in my car, if i get pulled over, i bring out the law book from several years ago which shows it is not illegal to drink and drive....What is the police officer going to say to me?
    Do you not understand the word condone?  I said I don't condone their feelings.  No one should think like that.  You should keep a dictionary at hand.
     
    Who cares what their feeling are. They are not true Christians if they put those slogans up, as the bible clearly teaches not to judge others, which is what they are doing, judging. Those people who put those banners up could be worse people than person sexuals, you dont know.

    Equivocation is not throwing all religions into one basket, like you seem to think.  I'm not here to be your personal dictionary.  Just stop using the word.  Stick to words with fewer letters.
     
    So all religions are the same? Chirstianity believes in God,  Theravad Buddhist rejects the idea of a God...They sound the same to me............Your equivocating of all religions the same is horrible.

    And I will repeat this because I guess you didn't read it the first time.  My post had nothing to do with the existence of god or his "rules".  It was about organized religion.  If there were millions of people who believed harry potter was their god and he wanted them to hurt other people, then I think you would or should have a problem with that.  Do you understand?  I'm talking about ALL organized religions here.  Don't post about the teachings of christ again because I don't know what that would have to do with let's say Islam...
     
    You conviniently dont want me to talk about Christ, that is your biggest problem, why? Because his teachings which are central to Christianity are full of goodness and love. That is your biggest problem aint it.
     
    I wouldnt care one bit if people wanted to believe in Harry Potter, as long as they dont break any of the laws, it wont bother me, it is a free world isnt it? People can do what they want as long as it is within the state laws.
     
    If people are true Chirstians, they would follow the ten commandments and try to live the life that Christ did.........Yet you have a problem with this....get outta here..
     
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by CRRECORDS:

    Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism

    (Selected quotes from Mein Kampf)

    compiled by Jim Walker

    Originated: 28 Nov. 1996
    Additions made: 07 July 2001


    Many American books, television documentaries, and Sunday sermons that preach of Hitler's "evil" have eliminated Hitler's god for their Christian audiences, but one only has to read from his own writings to appreciate that Hitler's God equals the same God of the Christian Bible. Hitler held many hysterical beliefs which not only include, God and Providence but also Fate, Social Darwinism, and ideological politics. He spoke, unashamedly, about God, fanaticism, idealism, dogma, and the power of propaganda. Hitler held strong faith in all his convictions. He justified his fight for the German people and against person by using Godly and Biblical reasoning. Indeed, one of his most revealing statements makes this quite clear:

    "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the person, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

    Although Hitler did not practice religion in a churchly sense, he certainly believed in the Bible's God. Raised as Catholic he went to a monastery school and, interestingly, walked everyday past a stone arch which was carved the monastery's coat of arms which included a swastika. As a young boy, Hitler's most ardent goal was to become a priest. Much of his philosophy came from the Bible, and more influentially, from the Christian Social movement. (The German Christian Social movement, remarkably, resembles the Christian Right movement in America today.) Many have questioned Hitler's stand on Christianity. Although he fought against certain Catholic priests who opposed him for political reasons, his belief in God and country never left him. Many Christians throughout history have opposed Christian priests for various reasons; this does not necessarily make one against one's own Christian beliefs. Nor did the Vatican's Pope & bishops ever disown him; in fact they blessed him! As evidence to his claimed Christianity, he said:

    "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these person for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

    -Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

    Hitler's anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Christian Austria and Germany in his time took for granted the belief that person held an inferior status to Aryan Christians. Jewish hatred did not spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for person and their Jewish religion. In his book, "On the person and their Lies," Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War II. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther.

    Hitler did not have to parade his belief in God, as so many American Christians do now. Nor did he have to justify his Godly belief against an Atheist movement. He took his beliefs for granted just as most Germans did at that time. His thrust aimed at politics, not religion. But through his political and religious reasoning he established in 1933, a German Reich Christian Church, uniting the Protestant churches to instill faith in a national German Christianity.

    Future generations should remember that Adolph Hitler could not have come into power without the support of the Protestant and Catholic churches and the German Christian populace.

    The following quotes provides some of Hitler's expressions of his belief in religion, faith, fanaticism, Providence, and even a few of his paraphrasing of the Bible. It by no means represents the totality of Hitler's concerns. To realize the full context of these quotes, I implore the reader to study Mein Kampf.

    The purpose of this text intends to dispute the claims made by Christians that Hitler "was an atheist," or "anti-religious," and to reveal the dangers of belief-systems. This text in no way attempts to give endorsement to anti-Semitism.

    "The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death."

    "The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the person. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity."

    These sound like someone who is a practiciing Christian.......

    These are his PRIVATE STATEMENTS..........

    Talking about Hitler as a child.........

    BRAD PITT IS A VIRGIN RIGHT NOW BECAUSE HE WAS A VIRGIN DURING HIS CHILDHOOD AND SCHOOLING YEARS.

    Atheists are so clutching at straws.....

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRRECORDS:

    Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism

    (Selected quotes from Mein Kampf)

    compiled by Jim Walker

    Originated: 28 Nov. 1996
    Additions made: 07 July 2001


    Many American books, television documentaries, and Sunday sermons that preach of Hitler's "evil" have eliminated Hitler's god for their Christian audiences, but one only has to read from his own writings to appreciate that Hitler's God equals the same God of the Christian Bible. Hitler held many hysterical beliefs which not only include, God and Providence but also Fate, Social Darwinism, and ideological politics. He spoke, unashamedly, about God, fanaticism, idealism, dogma, and the power of propaganda. Hitler held strong faith in all his convictions. He justified his fight for the German people and against person by using Godly and Biblical reasoning. Indeed, one of his most revealing statements makes this quite clear:

    "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the person, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

    Although Hitler did not practice religion in a churchly sense, he certainly believed in the Bible's God. Raised as Catholic he went to a monastery school and, interestingly, walked everyday past a stone arch which was carved the monastery's coat of arms which included a swastika. As a young boy, Hitler's most ardent goal was to become a priest. Much of his philosophy came from the Bible, and more influentially, from the Christian Social movement. (The German Christian Social movement, remarkably, resembles the Christian Right movement in America today.) Many have questioned Hitler's stand on Christianity. Although he fought against certain Catholic priests who opposed him for political reasons, his belief in God and country never left him. Many Christians throughout history have opposed Christian priests for various reasons; this does not necessarily make one against one's own Christian beliefs. Nor did the Vatican's Pope & bishops ever disown him; in fact they blessed him! As evidence to his claimed Christianity, he said:

    "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these person for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

    -Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

    Hitler's anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Christian Austria and Germany in his time took for granted the belief that person held an inferior status to Aryan Christians. Jewish hatred did not spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for person and their Jewish religion. In his book, "On the person and their Lies," Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War II. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther.

    Hitler did not have to parade his belief in God, as so many American Christians do now. Nor did he have to justify his Godly belief against an Atheist movement. He took his beliefs for granted just as most Germans did at that time. His thrust aimed at politics, not religion. But through his political and religious reasoning he established in 1933, a German Reich Christian Church, uniting the Protestant churches to instill faith in a national German Christianity.

    Future generations should remember that Adolph Hitler could not have come into power without the support of the Protestant and Catholic churches and the German Christian populace.

    The following quotes provides some of Hitler's expressions of his belief in religion, faith, fanaticism, Providence, and even a few of his paraphrasing of the Bible. It by no means represents the totality of Hitler's concerns. To realize the full context of these quotes, I implore the reader to study Mein Kampf.

    The purpose of this text intends to dispute the claims made by Christians that Hitler "was an atheist," or "anti-religious," and to reveal the dangers of belief-systems. This text in no way attempts to give endorsement to anti-Semitism.

    "The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death."

    "The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the person. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity."

    These sound like someone who is a practiciing Christian.......

    These are his PRIVATE STATEMENTS..........

    Talking about Hitler as a child.........

    BRAD PITT IS A VIRGIN RIGHT NOW BECAUSE HE WAS A VIRGIN DURING HIS CHILDHOOD AND SCHOOLING YEARS.

    Atheists are so clutching at straws.....

     

     

     
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    the god drug

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FOjAwtDxvI&feature=youtube_gdata_player


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    the god drug

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FOjAwtDxvI&feature=youtube_gdata_player


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    There is no twist whatsoever......

    So let me get this straight, it is wrong to scare someone  about stealing, murdering, lying, raping etc? . maybe if everyone followed the 10 commandments and were really fearful of Gods wrath, the world will be a 100 times better place to live in rather than man thinking he is his own God and him thinking what is right and wrong...

    Prayers does not work? Who told you that? Have you tried it? Oh, let me guet this straight, someone did a study on prayer on one of your fav atheist websites......Let me just ask you one question, what is the time frame for those prayers? 1 month, 3 months, 1 year? Tell me? Does God give time frames?

    Hitler a catholic? LOLOLOL

    Hitler was born into a catholic family then into his adulthood "ditched it"

    Hitler on Christianity

    "The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the person. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)"

    "The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death"

    That sounds real Christian to me.........

    So because he was raised as a catholic, that means he continued to be a catholic? Thats like saying Brad Pitt is a virgin because he was a virgin as a child....

    Pol Pot a "Theravad Buddhist"...Sure, but they dont velieve God exists.......which the last time i checked, that is what an atheist is....

    regarding Stalin, mayve if he did believe in God he would not have killed 20 mill people....Conviniently make up an excuse for the worst murderes in history.

    Mate, your arguments are very bad, that is why atheism makes up only about 5% of the worlds population, because it is weak, cannot be defended and is rubbish.

     


    Prayer works?  I can't wait for the evidence for this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    There is no twist whatsoever......

    So let me get this straight, it is wrong to scare someone  about stealing, murdering, lying, raping etc? . maybe if everyone followed the 10 commandments and were really fearful of Gods wrath, the world will be a 100 times better place to live in rather than man thinking he is his own God and him thinking what is right and wrong...

    Prayers does not work? Who told you that? Have you tried it? Oh, let me guet this straight, someone did a study on prayer on one of your fav atheist websites......Let me just ask you one question, what is the time frame for those prayers? 1 month, 3 months, 1 year? Tell me? Does God give time frames?

    Hitler a catholic? LOLOLOL

    Hitler was born into a catholic family then into his adulthood "ditched it"

    Hitler on Christianity

    "The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the person. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)"

    "The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death"

    That sounds real Christian to me.........

    So because he was raised as a catholic, that means he continued to be a catholic? Thats like saying Brad Pitt is a virgin because he was a virgin as a child....

    Pol Pot a "Theravad Buddhist"...Sure, but they dont velieve God exists.......which the last time i checked, that is what an atheist is....

    regarding Stalin, mayve if he did believe in God he would not have killed 20 mill people....Conviniently make up an excuse for the worst murderes in history.

    Mate, your arguments are very bad, that is why atheism makes up only about 5% of the worlds population, because it is weak, cannot be defended and is rubbish.

     


    Prayer works?  I can't wait for the evidence for this...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    Prayer works?  I can't wait for the evidence for this...

    Oh, so now atheists telling others prayer doesnt work.......How ironic.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    Prayer works?  I can't wait for the evidence for this...

    Oh, so now atheists telling others prayer doesnt work.......How ironic.......

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by CRRECORDS:

    the god drug

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FOjAwtDxvI&feature=youtube_gdata_player


    Atheists statement - "why are you scaring  ittle children about stealing,lying, raping and murdering"

    No wonder only 5% of the world dont share  your view. How pathetic....

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRRECORDS:

    the god drug

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FOjAwtDxvI&feature=youtube_gdata_player


    Atheists statement - "why are you scaring  ittle children about stealing,lying, raping and murdering"

    No wonder only 5% of the world dont share  your view. How pathetic....

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by CRRECORDS:

    the god drug

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FOjAwtDxvI&feature=youtube_gdata_player



    rostos needs rehab
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    Quote Originally Posted by CRRECORDS:

    the god drug

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FOjAwtDxvI&feature=youtube_gdata_player



    rostos needs rehab
     
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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 7:16 PM ET #3638

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Oh, so now atheists telling others prayer doesnt work.......How ironic.......


    please prove to us it does, this should be good oh wait let me guess, your dog was lost, then you prayed and you found it
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    Oh, so now atheists telling others prayer doesnt work.......How ironic.......


    please prove to us it does, this should be good oh wait let me guess, your dog was lost, then you prayed and you found it
     
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    Did you guys know that Brad Pitt is a virgin?

    Based on what Records logic is, Brad Pitt is a virgin.

    You see, because he was a virgin during his schooling years, that automatically means he is a virgin now.....

    Hey, thats the logic....

     

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    Did you guys know that Brad Pitt is a virgin?

    Based on what Records logic is, Brad Pitt is a virgin.

    You see, because he was a virgin during his schooling years, that automatically means he is a virgin now.....

    Hey, thats the logic....

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    please prove to us it does, this should be good oh wait let me guess, your dog was lost, then you prayed and you found it

    Thats one for the archives....

    An atheist which is a person who doesnt believe God exsts, is telling people prayer doesnt work..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYSTEM:


    please prove to us it does, this should be good oh wait let me guess, your dog was lost, then you prayed and you found it

    Thats one for the archives....

    An atheist which is a person who doesnt believe God exsts, is telling people prayer doesnt work..........

     
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    Let's do an experiment. Go to the nearest hospital, tell all the doctors to leave and tell all the patients to stop taking their medication and "pray" for god to heal them. Over/under .5 patients that get better lololol.

    Oh and Rostos - STOP USING THE WORD "EQUIVOCATE" YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.

    Equivocate: definition: to use ambiguous or unclear expressions

    You cannot "equivocate" religions because that is an invalid use of the word. How can you use ambiguous or unclear expressions of religions. It just doesn't make sense. Equivocation has to do with me using a word in one context and then you using the word in another context.

    Example: I say "This rock doesn't weigh a lot, it is very light." You say: "No, the rock isn't light, it is dark."

    That is the fallacy of equivocation. I don't even know what you're trying to say, but it's not equivocation. Go find a new word and stop making yourself look stupid.
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    Let's do an experiment. Go to the nearest hospital, tell all the doctors to leave and tell all the patients to stop taking their medication and "pray" for god to heal them. Over/under .5 patients that get better lololol.

    Oh and Rostos - STOP USING THE WORD "EQUIVOCATE" YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.

    Equivocate: definition: to use ambiguous or unclear expressions

    You cannot "equivocate" religions because that is an invalid use of the word. How can you use ambiguous or unclear expressions of religions. It just doesn't make sense. Equivocation has to do with me using a word in one context and then you using the word in another context.

    Example: I say "This rock doesn't weigh a lot, it is very light." You say: "No, the rock isn't light, it is dark."

    That is the fallacy of equivocation. I don't even know what you're trying to say, but it's not equivocation. Go find a new word and stop making yourself look stupid.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 7:38 PM ET #3642

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Thats one for the archives....

    An atheist which is a person who doesnt believe God exsts, is telling people prayer doesnt work..........


    oh, but I do believe in prayer, that's how good things happen!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    Thats one for the archives....

    An atheist which is a person who doesnt believe God exsts, is telling people prayer doesnt work..........


    oh, but I do believe in prayer, that's how good things happen!
     
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    Hitler only used Christianity as an inducement to seduce people to his evil plots. Don't look at the words look at the actions. He killed thousands of Christians, including Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses and Scientologist. Hitler disavowed his Catholic upbringing as Rostos has pointed out in his private writings and talks. You can't just take a small sample and say "see look here this proves he was a Christian." Hitler was a cunning evil man. He seduced people for his own ulterior motive. Hence the name of the Nazi party National Socialist Party. They were not Socialist being that they were far right wing fascist. They used the name to seduce the intellectual person to help them in the early days before they came to power. These person soon learned the truth but the wheels were already in motion. So no my atheist friends Hitler wasn't a Christian and a good argument can be used that he was an atheist although there is some evidence that he tampered heavily into the occult and satanism so that would rule out being an atheist but he was no Christian by any measure. 
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    Hitler only used Christianity as an inducement to seduce people to his evil plots. Don't look at the words look at the actions. He killed thousands of Christians, including Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses and Scientologist. Hitler disavowed his Catholic upbringing as Rostos has pointed out in his private writings and talks. You can't just take a small sample and say "see look here this proves he was a Christian." Hitler was a cunning evil man. He seduced people for his own ulterior motive. Hence the name of the Nazi party National Socialist Party. They were not Socialist being that they were far right wing fascist. They used the name to seduce the intellectual person to help them in the early days before they came to power. These person soon learned the truth but the wheels were already in motion. So no my atheist friends Hitler wasn't a Christian and a good argument can be used that he was an atheist although there is some evidence that he tampered heavily into the occult and satanism so that would rule out being an atheist but he was no Christian by any measure. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Let's do an experiment. Go to the nearest hospital, tell all the doctors to leave and tell all the patients to stop taking their medication and "pray" for god to heal them. Over/under .5 patients that get better lololol.

    Oh and Rostos - STOP USING THE WORD "EQUIVOCATE" YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.

    Equivocate: definition: to use ambiguous or unclear expressions

    You cannot "equivocate" religions because that is an invalid use of the word. How can you use ambiguous or unclear expressions of religions. It just doesn't make sense. Equivocation has to do with me using a word in one context and then you using the word in another context.

    Example: I say "This rock doesn't weigh a lot, it is very light." You say: "No, the rock isn't light, it is dark."

    That is the fallacy of equivocation. I don't even know what you're trying to say, but it's not equivocation. Go find a new word and stop making yourself look stupid.

    How can we take him seriously?  Anyone who uses big words to seem smart without actually knowing the meanings of these words should not be taken seriously lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Let's do an experiment. Go to the nearest hospital, tell all the doctors to leave and tell all the patients to stop taking their medication and "pray" for god to heal them. Over/under .5 patients that get better lololol.

    Oh and Rostos - STOP USING THE WORD "EQUIVOCATE" YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.

    Equivocate: definition: to use ambiguous or unclear expressions

    You cannot "equivocate" religions because that is an invalid use of the word. How can you use ambiguous or unclear expressions of religions. It just doesn't make sense. Equivocation has to do with me using a word in one context and then you using the word in another context.

    Example: I say "This rock doesn't weigh a lot, it is very light." You say: "No, the rock isn't light, it is dark."

    That is the fallacy of equivocation. I don't even know what you're trying to say, but it's not equivocation. Go find a new word and stop making yourself look stupid.

    How can we take him seriously?  Anyone who uses big words to seem smart without actually knowing the meanings of these words should not be taken seriously lol
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by CRRECORDS:

    Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism

    (Selected quotes from Mein Kampf)

    compiled by Jim Walker

    Originated: 28 Nov. 1996
    Additions made: 07 July 2001


    Many American books, television documentaries, and Sunday sermons that preach of Hitler's "evil" have eliminated Hitler's god for their Christian audiences, but one only has to read from his own writings to appreciate that Hitler's God equals the same God of the Christian Bible. Hitler held many hysterical beliefs which not only include, God and Providence but also Fate, Social Darwinism, and ideological politics. He spoke, unashamedly, about God, fanaticism, idealism, dogma, and the power of propaganda. Hitler held strong faith in all his convictions. He justified his fight for the German people and against person by using Godly and Biblical reasoning. Indeed, one of his most revealing statements makes this quite clear:

    "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the person, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

    Although Hitler did not practice religion in a churchly sense, he certainly believed in the Bible's God. Raised as Catholic he went to a monastery school and, interestingly, walked everyday past a stone arch which was carved the monastery's coat of arms which included a swastika. As a young boy, Hitler's most ardent goal was to become a priest. Much of his philosophy came from the Bible, and more influentially, from the Christian Social movement. (The German Christian Social movement, remarkably, resembles the Christian Right movement in America today.) Many have questioned Hitler's stand on Christianity. Although he fought against certain Catholic priests who opposed him for political reasons, his belief in God and country never left him. Many Christians throughout history have opposed Christian priests for various reasons; this does not necessarily make one against one's own Christian beliefs. Nor did the Vatican's Pope & bishops ever disown him; in fact they blessed him! As evidence to his claimed Christianity, he said:

    "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these person for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

    -Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

    Hitler's anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Christian Austria and Germany in his time took for granted the belief that person held an inferior status to Aryan Christians. Jewish hatred did not spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for person and their Jewish religion. In his book, "On the person and their Lies," Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War II. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther.

    Hitler did not have to parade his belief in God, as so many American Christians do now. Nor did he have to justify his Godly belief against an Atheist movement. He took his beliefs for granted just as most Germans did at that time. His thrust aimed at politics, not religion. But through his political and religious reasoning he established in 1933, a German Reich Christian Church, uniting the Protestant churches to instill faith in a national German Christianity.

    Future generations should remember that Adolph Hitler could not have come into power without the support of the Protestant and Catholic churches and the German Christian populace.

    The following quotes provides some of Hitler's expressions of his belief in religion, faith, fanaticism, Providence, and even a few of his paraphrasing of the Bible. It by no means represents the totality of Hitler's concerns. To realize the full context of these quotes, I implore the reader to study Mein Kampf.

    The purpose of this text intends to dispute the claims made by Christians that Hitler "was an atheist," or "anti-religious," and to reveal the dangers of belief-systems. This text in no way attempts to give endorsement to anti-Semitism.

    You are correct in the fact that Hitler used the Catholic Church to further his aims. But I blame the Catholic Church for their cowardness and corruption in the face of evil. When Hitler started killing Catholics the church capitulated to his demands and took an active role in killing the person. But to make the claim that because Hitler used the Church to further his evil goals means that he was a Christian is big stretch. Again the evidence is clear not only by his own words but by his actions that he was not a Christian despite being raised a Catholic and in fact hated his father for making him go to Catholic Church. Hitler was a complicated man and is still to this day wrongly characterized by atheist as a Christian. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by CRRECORDS:

    Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism

    (Selected quotes from Mein Kampf)

    compiled by Jim Walker

    Originated: 28 Nov. 1996
    Additions made: 07 July 2001


    Many American books, television documentaries, and Sunday sermons that preach of Hitler's "evil" have eliminated Hitler's god for their Christian audiences, but one only has to read from his own writings to appreciate that Hitler's God equals the same God of the Christian Bible. Hitler held many hysterical beliefs which not only include, God and Providence but also Fate, Social Darwinism, and ideological politics. He spoke, unashamedly, about God, fanaticism, idealism, dogma, and the power of propaganda. Hitler held strong faith in all his convictions. He justified his fight for the German people and against person by using Godly and Biblical reasoning. Indeed, one of his most revealing statements makes this quite clear:

    "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the person, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

    Although Hitler did not practice religion in a churchly sense, he certainly believed in the Bible's God. Raised as Catholic he went to a monastery school and, interestingly, walked everyday past a stone arch which was carved the monastery's coat of arms which included a swastika. As a young boy, Hitler's most ardent goal was to become a priest. Much of his philosophy came from the Bible, and more influentially, from the Christian Social movement. (The German Christian Social movement, remarkably, resembles the Christian Right movement in America today.) Many have questioned Hitler's stand on Christianity. Although he fought against certain Catholic priests who opposed him for political reasons, his belief in God and country never left him. Many Christians throughout history have opposed Christian priests for various reasons; this does not necessarily make one against one's own Christian beliefs. Nor did the Vatican's Pope & bishops ever disown him; in fact they blessed him! As evidence to his claimed Christianity, he said:

    "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these person for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

    -Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

    Hitler's anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Christian Austria and Germany in his time took for granted the belief that person held an inferior status to Aryan Christians. Jewish hatred did not spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for person and their Jewish religion. In his book, "On the person and their Lies," Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War II. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther.

    Hitler did not have to parade his belief in God, as so many American Christians do now. Nor did he have to justify his Godly belief against an Atheist movement. He took his beliefs for granted just as most Germans did at that time. His thrust aimed at politics, not religion. But through his political and religious reasoning he established in 1933, a German Reich Christian Church, uniting the Protestant churches to instill faith in a national German Christianity.

    Future generations should remember that Adolph Hitler could not have come into power without the support of the Protestant and Catholic churches and the German Christian populace.

    The following quotes provides some of Hitler's expressions of his belief in religion, faith, fanaticism, Providence, and even a few of his paraphrasing of the Bible. It by no means represents the totality of Hitler's concerns. To realize the full context of these quotes, I implore the reader to study Mein Kampf.

    The purpose of this text intends to dispute the claims made by Christians that Hitler "was an atheist," or "anti-religious," and to reveal the dangers of belief-systems. This text in no way attempts to give endorsement to anti-Semitism.

    You are correct in the fact that Hitler used the Catholic Church to further his aims. But I blame the Catholic Church for their cowardness and corruption in the face of evil. When Hitler started killing Catholics the church capitulated to his demands and took an active role in killing the person. But to make the claim that because Hitler used the Church to further his evil goals means that he was a Christian is big stretch. Again the evidence is clear not only by his own words but by his actions that he was not a Christian despite being raised a Catholic and in fact hated his father for making him go to Catholic Church. Hitler was a complicated man and is still to this day wrongly characterized by atheist as a Christian. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Hitler only used Christianity as an inducement to seduce people to his evil plots. Don't look at the words look at the actions. He killed thousands of Christians, including Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses and Scientologist. Hitler disavowed his Catholic upbringing as Rostos has pointed out in his private writings and talks. You can't just take a small sample and say "see look here this proves he was a Christian." Hitler was a cunning evil man. He seduced people for his own ulterior motive. Hence the name of the Nazi party National Socialist Party. They were not Socialist being that they were far right wing fascist. They used the name to seduce the intellectual person to help them in the early days before they came to power. These person soon learned the truth but the wheels were already in motion. So no my atheist friends Hitler wasn't a Christian and a good argument can be used that he was an atheist although there is some evidence that he tampered heavily into the occult and satanism so that would rule out being an atheist but he was no Christian by any measure. 

    Apparently because he was raised a catholic, that means automatically he continued and practiced Catholicism....

    What flawed logic......

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoothd20:

    Hitler only used Christianity as an inducement to seduce people to his evil plots. Don't look at the words look at the actions. He killed thousands of Christians, including Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses and Scientologist. Hitler disavowed his Catholic upbringing as Rostos has pointed out in his private writings and talks. You can't just take a small sample and say "see look here this proves he was a Christian." Hitler was a cunning evil man. He seduced people for his own ulterior motive. Hence the name of the Nazi party National Socialist Party. They were not Socialist being that they were far right wing fascist. They used the name to seduce the intellectual person to help them in the early days before they came to power. These person soon learned the truth but the wheels were already in motion. So no my atheist friends Hitler wasn't a Christian and a good argument can be used that he was an atheist although there is some evidence that he tampered heavily into the occult and satanism so that would rule out being an atheist but he was no Christian by any measure. 

    Apparently because he was raised a catholic, that means automatically he continued and practiced Catholicism....

    What flawed logic......

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Let's do an experiment. Go to the nearest hospital, tell all the doctors to leave and tell all the patients to stop taking their medication and "pray" for god to heal them. Over/under .5 patients that get better lololol.
     
    And what is the time frame for these people to get better?  Did God put a time limit when prayers get answered? Where does it say in the bible about this time limit? What about if God uses a person for others to come to faith? What if God wants that soul to come to him? And furthermore, do you think God is going to answer prayers where peopel are using him for an expirment.....What a fallacous argument.
     

     
    Oh and Rostos - STOP USING THE WORD "EQUIVOCATE" YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.

    Equivocate: definition: to use ambiguous or unclear expressions

    You cannot "equivocate" religions because that is an invalid use of the word. How can you use ambiguous or unclear expressions of religions. It just doesn't make sense. Equivocation has to do with me using a word in one context and then you using the word in another context.

    Example: I say "This rock doesn't weigh a lot, it is very light." You say: "No, the rock isn't light, it is dark."
     
    Wrong, that is a categorical error, no an equivocation error. Why are you so obsessed that i dont know what equivocation means? You guys, there is no word to describe it.......You say all religions are the same, that is an equivocation, you are saying that all religions are equal...WRONG. Buddhism doesnt even believe in God, how are they the same to Christianity then?
     

    That is the fallacy of equivocation. I don't even know what you're trying to say, but it's not equivocation. Go find a new word and stop making yourself look stupid.
     
    LOLOLOLOLOL, you and your friends CONTINUE TO APPEAL TO THE FALLACY OF EQUIVOCATION DAY IN DAY OUT.....Why? becuase your arguments are fallacious....Full stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittyKatz286:

    Let's do an experiment. Go to the nearest hospital, tell all the doctors to leave and tell all the patients to stop taking their medication and "pray" for god to heal them. Over/under .5 patients that get better lololol.
     
    And what is the time frame for these people to get better?  Did God put a time limit when prayers get answered? Where does it say in the bible about this time limit? What about if God uses a person for others to come to faith? What if God wants that soul to come to him? And furthermore, do you think God is going to answer prayers where peopel are using him for an expirment.....What a fallacous argument.
     

     
    Oh and Rostos - STOP USING THE WORD "EQUIVOCATE" YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.

    Equivocate: definition: to use ambiguous or unclear expressions

    You cannot "equivocate" religions because that is an invalid use of the word. How can you use ambiguous or unclear expressions of religions. It just doesn't make sense. Equivocation has to do with me using a word in one context and then you using the word in another context.

    Example: I say "This rock doesn't weigh a lot, it is very light." You say: "No, the rock isn't light, it is dark."
     
    Wrong, that is a categorical error, no an equivocation error. Why are you so obsessed that i dont know what equivocation means? You guys, there is no word to describe it.......You say all religions are the same, that is an equivocation, you are saying that all religions are equal...WRONG. Buddhism doesnt even believe in God, how are they the same to Christianity then?
     

    That is the fallacy of equivocation. I don't even know what you're trying to say, but it's not equivocation. Go find a new word and stop making yourself look stupid.
     
    LOLOLOLOLOL, you and your friends CONTINUE TO APPEAL TO THE FALLACY OF EQUIVOCATION DAY IN DAY OUT.....Why? becuase your arguments are fallacious....Full stop.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 29, 2011 - 8:19 PM ET #3648

    Lol and then he says that's not the definition.  This is too funny 
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    Lol and then he says that's not the definition.  This is too funny 
     
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    Rostos: I TOOK THE EXAMPLE FROM A SITE DEFINING EQUIVOCATE. A categorical error IS equivocation. THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS. I'M SORRY YOU'RE A MORON.
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    Rostos: I TOOK THE EXAMPLE FROM A SITE DEFINING EQUIVOCATE. A categorical error IS equivocation. THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS. I'M SORRY YOU'RE A MORON.
     
     
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    Proof of the stupidity of Rostos: he will even argue with the dictionary 
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    Proof of the stupidity of Rostos: he will even argue with the dictionary 
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