If Christ died on the cross for all of humanity

You know Ex4Life, I tried SO HARD to read your litany of bullshit, but it really was impossible. It was completely unreadable, for one small reason: YOU ARE TRYING TO SHOW THAT THE BIBLE IS TRUE BY USING THE BIBLE AS EVIDENCE. Are you fucking kidding me? You can't, CAN'T be this dumb. How is it possible?

You admit in the article that the Bible has been changed, edited, lost, etc. So how in the fuck can you read it NOW and believe things in there? Does the phrase "common sense" register with you? And you're taking things IN CONTEXT? IT'S THE WORD OF GOD... SINCE WHEN DOES AN OMNISCIENT GOD NEED CONTEXT.. HIS PRINCIPLES SHOULD HOLD TRUE FOR ALL ETERNITY, and you're taking passages "in context." I guess you can show me WORD FOR WORD what's supposed to be metaphor and what's supposed to be real.

I see the atheists using the term probability and implying us theists dont understand it.

1st of all, I dont think the atheist UNDERSTANDS the implications of the odds that life started by luck.

I put down Penrose' calculation, but this seems like it is just any ordinary number to the atheist, with a, well, it is a number but possible. The only way to get the implications of these odds is to compare it to something else.

First of all, we DONT have an infinite past, therefore, you cannot say, with an infinite past, anything is possible. If you want to argue for an infinite past, you will have to explain that Einsteins theory of relativity is wrong and you will have to explain why the 2nd law of thermodynamics is wrong.

Secondly, it has been claculated that the odds of life starting out by chance is equivalent to getting 2 pairs of dice and getting a pair of 6', 50,000 times in a row.

Have a good think about it....If you rolled a pair of 6's , 30,000 times in a row and on the 30,001st you dont , you have to start again........

Rememebr, THERE IS NO INFINITE PAST

QUICK QUESTION.... IF NOAH ONLY HAD ONE SPECIES OF DOG AND WE NOW HAVE MANY SPECIES OF DOG, HOW DID THESE NEW DOGS COME ABOUT MORON?

YOU'RE USING "EVOLUTION" TO ATTEMPT TO EXPLAIN "CREATION" LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Here's why you don't understand probability: you are assuming our existence HAD to be here, HAD to be in this solar system, HAD to be in this galaxy. What you have failed to understand is that we could have come about ANYWHERE. We are NOT limited to one place. I'll give you an example and let you botch the implications.

If I give you one deck of cards and ask "What's the chance you draw the ace of spades?" I'd HOPE you'd say 1/52. Now what if give you ten decks and ask the question this way: "What is the chance that AT LEAST ONE OF THE DECKS will yield an ace of spades?" And then what about 100 decks? 1,000,000 decks? I hope you see the point by now but I highly doubt you will.

It's ironic how Rostos says there's no infinity, yet it seems that he infinitely calls in the same arguments we've attempted to refute over and over again and infinitely uses the word "equivocate" incorrectly

No he isn't. Penrose came up with that number based on ONE Big Bang or ONE trial... There could have been hundreds of thousands of Big Bangs or more.

Then Penrose is wrong because you can't calculate a number where the sample size is infinite.

Penrose isn't wrong. He is right, but his number reflects life developing within this universe with the only Big Bang we know of so far. His number is so outrageously high because of how exact the speed of the expansion had to be. But again, if we consider there could have been many many Big Bangs, his number is no longer valid...

Archaeology and the Old Testament

• Ebla tablets—discovered in 1970s in Northern Syria. Documents written on clay tablets from around 2300 B.C. demonstrate that personal and place names in the Patriarchal accounts are genuine. In use in Ebla was the name "Canaan," a name critics once said was not used at that time and was used incorrectly in the early chapters of the Bible. The tablets refer to all five "cities of the plain" mentioned in Genesis 14, previously assumed to have been mere legends.
• Greater proportion of Egyptian words in the Pentateuch (first five books) than in rest of the Old Testament. Accurate Egyptian names: Potiphar(Gen.39), Zaphenath-Paneah (Joseph's Egyptian name, Gen. 41:45),Asenath (Gen.41:45), On (Gen. 41:45), Rameses (Gen. 47:11), Oithom(Exodus 1:11).
• Finds in Egypt are consistent with the time, place, and other details of biblical accounts of the Israelites in Egypt. These include housing and tombs that could have been of the Israelites, as well as a villa and tomb that could have been Joseph's.
• Confounding earlier skeptics, but confirming the Bible, an important discovery was made in Egypt in 1896. A tablet—the Merneptah Stela—was found that mentions Israel. (Merneptah was the pharaoh that ruled Egypt in 1212-1202 B.C.) The context of the stela indicates that Israel was a significant entity in the late 13th century B.C.
• The Hittites were once thought to be a biblical legend, until their capital and records were discovered in Turkey.
• Crucial find in Nuzi (northeastern Iraq), an entire cache of Hittite legal documents from 1400 B.C. Confirms many details of Genesis, Deuteronomy, such as: (a) siring of legitimate children through handmaidens, (b) oral deathbed will as binding, (c) the power to sell one's birthright for relatively trivial property (Jacob & Esau), (d) need for family idols, such as Rachel stole from Laban, to secure inheritance, (e) form of the covenant in Deuteronomy exactly matches the form of suzerainty treaties between Hittite emperors and vassal kings.
• Walls of Jericho—discovery in 1930s by John Garstang. The walls fell suddenly, and outwardly (unique), so Israelites could clamber over the ruins into the city (Joshua 6:20).
• In 1986, scholars identified an ancient seal belonging to Baruch, son of Neriah, a scribe who recorded the prophecies of Jeremiah (Jer. 45:11).
• In 1990, Harvard researchers unearthed a silver-plated bronze calf figurine reminiscent of the huge golden calf mentioned in the book of Exodus

• In 1993, archaeologists uncovered a 9th century B.C. inscription at Tel Dan. The words carved into a chunk of basalt refer to the "House of David" and the "King of Israel." And the Bible's version of Israelite history after the reign of David's son, Solomon, is believed to be based on historical fact because it is corroborated by independent account of Egyptian and Assyrian inscriptions.
• It was once claimed there was no Assyrian king named Sargon as recorded in Isaiah 20:1, because this name was not known in any other record. Then, Sargon's palace was discovered in Iraq. The very event mentioned in Isaiah 20, his capture of Ashdod, was recorded in the palace walls! Even more, fragments of a stela (a poetic eulogy) memorializing the victory were found at Ashdod itself.
• Another king who was in doubt was Belshazzar, king of Babylon, named inDaniel 5. The last king of Babylon was Nabonidus according to recorded history. Tablet was found showing that Belshazzar was Nabonidus' son
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• . Do a little research. Many many many archeological facts have been found supporting the Bible (this is just a few).  Go back and read ex4lifes post about the validity of the Bible. It has more validity then most of the crap we put in history books. 

But it also tells the story of Noah, which we know is impossible. So why should we rely on a book that is part true and part false? And how do we know which parts to trust?

U want science to come in and support your atheist beliefs but the more we find just helps confirm the validity of the Bible. 

Archeologists find proof of massive flood

"Within a few months of one another during the 1928-1929 excavation season, archaeologists at two southern Mesopotamian sites, Ur and Kish, announced the discovery of flood deposits which they identified with the Flood described in the Hebrew scriptures and cuneiform sources. The famous and glamorous Sir Charles Leonard Woolley, after his deep excavations of the Early Dynastic royal tombs at Ur, had a small test shaft sunk into the underlying soil. He persisted through some eight feet of bare mud before finally coming to a layer bearing artifacts of late prehistoric date. It did not take Woolley long to arrive at an interpretation:

I . . . by the time I had written up my notes was quite convinced of what it all meant; but I wanted to see whether others would come to the same conclusion. So I brought up two of my staff and, after pointing out the facts, asked for their explanation. They did not know what to say. My wife came along and looked and was asked the same question, and she turned away remarking casually, "Well, of course, it's the Flood."

Lots of facts to look at. 

You are a confused dude kk, a typical non-believer who is in denial.

You are believeing in things that supposively happened billions of years ago with no evidence whatsoever and yet when we provide evidence of our Lord Savior Jesus Christ that happened just a little over 2,000 years ago you shrug that off as nonsense?

The Life and ministry of Jesus Christ has been recorded in the Holy Bible and additionally, outside the Bible, Jesus is also mentioned by his near-contemporaries.

Extra-Biblical and secular writers (many hostile) point to Jesus' existence, including the Roman writings of Tacitus, Seutonius, Thallus and Pliny, and the Jewish writings of Josephus and the Talmud. Gary Habermas has cited a total of 39 ancient extra-Biblical sources, including 17 non-Christian, that witness from outside the New Testament to over 100 details of Jesus' life, death, and resurrection.

I can just picture you right now at Judgment Day,.... when the Lord looks down at you and does this... then says,

"You believed in things that supposively happened billions of years ago with no evidence whatsoever but yet when I gave the world evidence of my only begotten Son Jesus Christ several thousands of years ago you rejected Him?

Your answer would probably go like this: duh!...yeah I did...will you forgive my dumb error...please?

 

I'm sorry I don't understand. Can you define "supposively" for me? I looked it up in the dictionary, but couldn't find it.

The standard "i am sure we will find a scientific reason one day"

Oh the science of the gap.......

Have i ever used the line that Jesus will return one day? Have i used that?

What is Drake talking about? Is he trying to tell us the creation story is fact? I hope not. And scientists have found organisms that date back 3.5 billion years in case you wanted proof of that...

What is Drake talking about? Is he trying to tell us the creation story is fact? I hope not. And scientists have found organisms that date back 3.5 billion years in case you wanted proof of that...

SJD - The Bible says the Earth is 6,000 years old. We know it is about 4 billion years old. How do we deal with this?

Correction: You are believing in things that supposedly happened billions of years ago...

Just leave it alone, I mean right now I am not going to get into a debate concerning the age of the earth.

Very soon I will be posting something non of us can avoid which is our eternity or you could say our post life after we leave this world.