"GUN CONTROL" makes the problem much worse

And it seems about half the time mwhite82 is one of the anti-2A people on the receiving end yet he keeps coming back for me.  The guy must be a masochist.

Oh well, I will happily oblige him yet again.

I don’t recall anyone saying if you want you and your family to be defenseless and have to depend on men with guns to come rescue you in an emergency you aren’t free to do so.

How can you defeat an assault weapon?  I suppose the same way you defeat any other inanimate object.

There are probably over a billion high capacity magazines in America.  Best of luck banning them.

I own some 100 round magazines because they can be fun and they are a good investment.  Mine don’t see much use though as they aren’t very practical and they are much less reliable than the smaller capacity magazines.   Really more of a novelty, IMO.  

Actually assault rifles are pretty hard to get legally.  They are tightly regulated by the ATF and even if they give you the green light you are probably going to have to spend at least $10,000 for one.

Yes, fewer law abiding citizens with guns and more criminals with guns does sound safer.

Since you seem to be a very “knowledgable” individual I would love to hear some of your solutions for preventing horrible events like this from happening.

SS.... I'm sure we've clashed on this topic before, YES??? Probably wayyy before 20 lil innocent kindergartners got torn up in their own school

I personally have 6 and 7 year old nieces, also a lil 2 year old nephew who is my BOY, and assuming he lives long enough his daddy (my twin) will teach him 2 destroy Grant Fuhr &/or Ron Hextall's records as well as my ole boy Andy Moog, Hell the cat has a couple of the Trottiers to teach him... 

So besides what this forum is about, SPORTS, which I do get hunting a bear in alaska or deer in some of our states (tho I still have concerns hunting polar bears in alaska) topic for another day, since that garbage isn't really hunting (rather luck and circumstance) try hunting a leopard in Africa.... Yes u won't do that

So instead of responding to any of the things I posted directed at you you’re just going to go off on a tangent about your brother’s kids and hunting.

At least you’re consistent in your randomness.

Ok, now I know you’re just f**king with me…. either that or you’re drunk/stoned posting again.

Quote Originally Posted by bill702:

I agree.

SS.... U know I can always dig JB... I just don't need lil kids killing my nephew or nieces, guess ur finding urself on the wrong side of the aisle anymore... Not George's tribe supporting you back in the start of the decade... No ill will, just common sense!!! I'll call a spade a spade, a loser a quack and a political darn a LOSER, so I try to keep it legit as much as I can!!!! That's my Deal YO....Haha, defend guns then you're defintitely a QUACK!!! 

Based on your recent string on nonsensical ramblings I’m going to go out on a limb and assume JB stands for Jim Beam.  In which case, yes, I definitely know you “always dig JB.” 

Quote Originally Posted by 222bad:

    Those four words, as simple as they seem, represent the complexity of the situation.  To try and qualify any single resolution, in regards to what just happened, would be foolish. So as each and every single one of us grapple with the enormity of the problem, why not try and look at what just happened in hopes of holding a meaningful dialogue, with solutions of substance, instead of bickering. In the end I think the OP started this thread looking for answers just as much as all of us have in recent days.

          We already know that high capacity mags are flying of the shelves, as many dealers are quoted as saying they sold out days ago. Does that mean that eliminating them all together is the answer? It probably does in the context of what just transpired, but overall presents a future problem, which is if we make them illegal now, do we have to try and force everyone who possess them to give them up?  Highly unlikely. Then you have the other obvious issue, our 2nd amendment rights.  I don't believe our fore fathers realized the potential that modern manufacturing  had in regards to this, as at the time they were talking about single shot muzzle loaders, and flintlocks. High capacity mags vs. single shot muzzle loaders is an issue that everyone has to find middle ground on.

    So where do we find common ground that makes the most overall sense in regards to never having to feel the pain we've all felt in recent days?  The number one answer is probably just as complex as the gun issue, but more pertinent in more ways than one.  Mental Health diagnosis and treatment in this country is a disgrace. It's pretty obvious that Adam Lanza's rage towards his mother, and the Sandy Hook victims was a direct result of mental issues. Sure we all know the ensuing carnage would have been less horrific if a six shot revolver was used, but does that make it less horrific, or any less of an issue?  Maybe to some, but as far as I'm concerned, one babies senseless death, is one too many.  The only good that has come from this tragedy is all the recent dialogue, so let us try not to stiffle that with pettiness and self serving rhetoric, let's objectively address the issues and hopefully prevent this from happening again. I understand this thread is about gun censorship in America, but to not include mental health issues in this country would not only be irresponsible but not include any pertinent solutions. We've all read enough examples of massive carnage in Chinese schools with knives and axes, to understand that the basic issue at hand is mental health in America. That's the first of any meaningful solutions, and let's just hope as a country we get it right this time.

                                           R.I.P.
                                           
                                         S.H.E.S.

That was directed at all the Helen Lovejoys screaming about how evil guns are without offering any kind of realistic solution, but it’s nice that someone that can actually form an intelligent thought responded.

Do you know what happened the last time high capacity mags were banned?  The only difference was the price of high capacity magazines went up.  They were still very easy to get.  With over 300,000,000 guns in America you can probably estimate that there are at least a billion high capacity magazines.  There will be, in no stretch of the imagination, in short supply.   

The founders made it perfectly clear what their stance on the 2nd amendment was.  I also find it a little farfetched that some of the greatest minds this country has ever known (including some inventers) couldn’t have foreseen that technology would advance throughout the years.  But even if they didn’t I don’t think their opinion would change based on their writings.

Besides: do you think the founders had the internet in mind when they wrote the 1st amendment?

“... and hopefully prevent this from happening again.”

That would be nice, but unfortunately there is a 0% chance of that happening. 

Quote Originally Posted by mwhit82:

FUCKIN THREAD SCREWED ME, BUT YOU U KNOW UR INTELLIGENCE IS A BUNCH OF BS. CLEARLY SUPPORTING GUNS IS TRULY THE WAY OF LIFE IN THIS COUNTRY

I think it was not being able to stop drinking that JB that screwed you, not this thread.

To my point....

https://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/18/stop-school-shootings-by-letting-teachers-fire-back-say-texas-officials/

Lawmakers and educators in Texas say the way to guard against school shootings like last Friday's at a Connecticut elementary school is to make sure teachers can shoot back.

While the rampage that left 20 young children and six adults dead in a small Northeastern community has sparked a national debate on gun control, assault weapons and a culture of violence, David Thweatt, superintendent of the 103-student Harrold Independent School District in Wilbarger County, said his teachers are armed and ready to protect their young charges.

“We give our ‘Guardians’ training in addition to the regular Texas conceal-and-carry training,” Thweatt, whose school is about three hours northwest of Dallas, told FoxNews.com. “It mainly entails improving accuracy…You know, as educators, we don’t have to be police officers and learn about Miranda Rights and related procedures. We just have to be accurate.”

Thweatt is the architect of “The Guardian Plan,” a blueprint for arming school staff, including teachers, that may be catching on, at least in the Lone Star state. Teachers there are allowed to have weapons in the classroom, as Thweatt's faculty members do, but State Attorney General Greg Abbott suggested Monday that lawmakers may consider ways to encourage the practice statewide.

"Bearing arms whether by teachers and guards and things like that will be all a part of more comprehensive policy issues for the legislature to take up in the coming weeks," Abbott said. "And you can be assured in the aftermath of what happened in Connecticut that these legislators care dearly about the lives of students at their schools and they will evaluate all possible measures that are necessary to protect those lives," he said.

More momentum for the idea is evidenced by Austin gun shop dealer Crocket Keller, who announced his store will now extend the same discount on firearm purchases to teachers as it does to veterans.

Thweatt said there have been no incidents since October 2007, when his district adopted the plan giving an unspecified number of teachers and school staff -- dubbed "Guardians" -- authority to carry concealed weapons on school premises. Participating staff are anonymous and known only to Thweatt and the school board, which must approve each application for an employee to become a Guardian. They receive a small stipend annually.

“We’re 18 miles and 30 minutes from the nearest police station," Thweatt said. "So we are our first responders. If something happened here, we would have to protect our children. You know, police officers are true, everyday heroes in my book, but one of them once told me something very revealing. He said, ‘Ninety-five percent of the time, we get to the scene late.’ I can’t afford to let that happen.”

Each Guardian must obtain a Texas conceal-and-carry permit, and must lock-and-load their weapons with “frangible” bullets that break apart when colliding with a target. “They go through people,” assured Thweatt.

“They’re very similar to what the air marshals use. The bullets are glued together with polymers, and we insist upon them because we don’t want the bullet to ricochet off a wall after it’s fired and hit a child.”

Thweatt says parents have embraced The Guardian Plan, a fact evidenced by the transfer rate into his school district. “We’re a high-transfer district,” he told FoxNews.com, “which means only 18 percent of students come to the school because they live in the district. The rest transfer in or choose to come here from other districts.”

There’s a simple thread, Thweatt says, that binds together many of the mass shootings that have recently rocked the U.S.: They happened in places where the shooter knew there was going to be little resistance.

“These shooters, even though they are evil and have mental problems, they inevitably know where they are going,” explained Thweatt. “They are going where they won’t get any resistance. Let’s put it this way, would you put a sign in front of your house that says, ‘I am against guns. You will find no resistance here?’ That would be a stupid thing to do. You’re going to invite people who like to take advantage of helpless individuals.

“Would my policy have stopped this?” Thweatt asked. “Nobody knows for sure or for 100 percent, but what we do know is that active shooters go where there is no one there to resist. The Guardian Plan addresses that fact.”

You completely missed the point with the swimming pools.

First off, the mother did not have an assault rifle (much less multiple ones) so you might want to get your facts straight.  Secondly, there are 300,000,000 guns in America.  To clam if this woman didn’t own guns then her son wouldn’t have been able to get a gun is beyond asinine.

It cracks me up how people in other countries think the majority of US citizens give a crap about what foreigners think of them.  Get over yourself.

Do you have proof to support your 99.99% claim or are you just talking out of your behind?

Take away guns, huh?  There are over 300 million guns in America and a lot of gun owners have a “come and take it” attitude.  How exactly do you propose the government takes away the guns?

According to the FBI, there were roughly 13,000 gun related homicides last year in the United States. Longuns (excluding shotguns), were responsible for just over 300 of them.

I'll ask you again:

Do you have proof to support your 99.99% claim or are you just talking out of your a$$?

Take away guns, huh?  There are over 300 million guns in America and a lot of gun owners have a “come and take it” attitude.  How exactly do you propose the government takes away the guns?

Did you just type the word lovely???

Stay on him Shooter, you have far more composure with most of these phuking hairy queers.

Allbutbroke runs because he knows I'll turn this into a street fight.

Smart guy or woman, not quite sure..  

Running from what........you clowns.  Hardly.  And I have no doubt you can't tell the difference between a man and a woman.  Speaks to your intellect.