Let's actually take a look at the numbers and countries who actually did more than declare war (ie. contributed resources in terms of human beings) or weren't actually defeated by Germany.Haiti
Allied declarations of war on Axis Powers
Australia: 39K
New Zealand: 12K
United Kingdom: 383K
British Raj British India: 87K
Union of South Africa Union of South Africa: 12K
Canada: 45K
Denmark: 2K
Norway: 3K
Belgium: Defeated - 12K
Netherlands: 17K
Greece: 25K
United States of America: 417K
China: 5 Million
Philippines Commonwealth of the Philippines: 57K
Brazil: 1K
Ethiopia: 5K
Iraq: 500
Iran: 200
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Take out China and the other nations contributed 1.1 million dead......1/10 of what Russia contributed. You have no idea how the world would have reacted if they had to do 10 TIMES more than what was required as it was.
Hell, the US wasn't even going to come to Britains aid because they didn't even think they could be saved. They only got involved after Hitler decided NOT to invade. And if Hitler had ignored the Soviets, he would have crushed Britain and who knows what the US would have done.
So Russia was huge in terms of its resources (and they may have had help with supplies to begin with, but they cranked up their war machine BIG time over the course of those years), but also in terms of what it prevented Hitler from doing.
Let's actually take a look at the numbers and countries who actually did more than declare war (ie. contributed resources in terms of human beings) or weren't actually defeated by Germany.Haiti
Allied declarations of war on Axis Powers
Australia: 39K
New Zealand: 12K
United Kingdom: 383K
British Raj British India: 87K
Union of South Africa Union of South Africa: 12K
Canada: 45K
Denmark: 2K
Norway: 3K
Belgium: Defeated - 12K
Netherlands: 17K
Greece: 25K
United States of America: 417K
China: 5 Million
Philippines Commonwealth of the Philippines: 57K
Brazil: 1K
Ethiopia: 5K
Iraq: 500
Iran: 200
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Take out China and the other nations contributed 1.1 million dead......1/10 of what Russia contributed. You have no idea how the world would have reacted if they had to do 10 TIMES more than what was required as it was.
Hell, the US wasn't even going to come to Britains aid because they didn't even think they could be saved. They only got involved after Hitler decided NOT to invade. And if Hitler had ignored the Soviets, he would have crushed Britain and who knows what the US would have done.
So Russia was huge in terms of its resources (and they may have had help with supplies to begin with, but they cranked up their war machine BIG time over the course of those years), but also in terms of what it prevented Hitler from doing.
Hitler's goal was never to rule the world. He would have been pleased as punch if he had conquered and cleaned out the Soviets and then got favorable terms from the UK and the rest of the west (although you never can say what a crazy person would have done next...maybe his ideas change....but from the get go, that was his goal). So if he HAD rolled through Russia, who knows what the west would have done.
Hitler's goal was never to rule the world. He would have been pleased as punch if he had conquered and cleaned out the Soviets and then got favorable terms from the UK and the rest of the west (although you never can say what a crazy person would have done next...maybe his ideas change....but from the get go, that was his goal). So if he HAD rolled through Russia, who knows what the west would have done.
Let's actually take a look at the numbers and countries who actually did more than declare war (ie. contributed resources in terms of human beings) or weren't actually defeated by Germany.Haiti
Allied declarations of war on Axis Powers
Australia: 39K
New Zealand: 12K
United Kingdom: 383K
British Raj British India: 87K
Union of South Africa Union of South Africa: 12K
Canada: 45K
Denmark: 2K
Norway: 3K
Belgium: Defeated - 12K
Netherlands: 17K
Greece: 25K
United States of America: 417K
China: 5 Million
Philippines Commonwealth of the Philippines: 57K
Brazil: 1K
Ethiopia: 5K
Iraq: 500
Iran: 200
_______________
Take out China and the other nations contributed 1.1 million dead......1/10 of what Russia contributed. You have no idea how the world would have reacted if they had to do 10 TIMES more than what was required as it was.
Hell, the US wasn't even going to come to Britains aid because they didn't even think they could be saved. They only got involved after Hitler decided NOT to invade. And if Hitler had ignored the Soviets, he would have crushed Britain and who knows what the US would have done.
So Russia was huge in terms of its resources (and they may have had help with supplies to begin with, but they cranked up their war machine BIG time over the course of those years), but also in terms of what it prevented Hitler from doing.
Yup, they weren't necessary.
Hello Britain is an Island. He could not have crossed the water to craete a successful beach head. Hello RAF ROYAL NAVY. Intelligence helped by French resistance would have picked up any force with ships ready to embark across the channel and they would have been destroyed beforethey even set off. Seaborn invasions of Britain no chance.
If Britain had been part of the land mass of Western Europe then sure it would have been over run in the Blitzkrieg. But the water saved the Island.
Let's actually take a look at the numbers and countries who actually did more than declare war (ie. contributed resources in terms of human beings) or weren't actually defeated by Germany.Haiti
Allied declarations of war on Axis Powers
Australia: 39K
New Zealand: 12K
United Kingdom: 383K
British Raj British India: 87K
Union of South Africa Union of South Africa: 12K
Canada: 45K
Denmark: 2K
Norway: 3K
Belgium: Defeated - 12K
Netherlands: 17K
Greece: 25K
United States of America: 417K
China: 5 Million
Philippines Commonwealth of the Philippines: 57K
Brazil: 1K
Ethiopia: 5K
Iraq: 500
Iran: 200
_______________
Take out China and the other nations contributed 1.1 million dead......1/10 of what Russia contributed. You have no idea how the world would have reacted if they had to do 10 TIMES more than what was required as it was.
Hell, the US wasn't even going to come to Britains aid because they didn't even think they could be saved. They only got involved after Hitler decided NOT to invade. And if Hitler had ignored the Soviets, he would have crushed Britain and who knows what the US would have done.
So Russia was huge in terms of its resources (and they may have had help with supplies to begin with, but they cranked up their war machine BIG time over the course of those years), but also in terms of what it prevented Hitler from doing.
Yup, they weren't necessary.
Hello Britain is an Island. He could not have crossed the water to craete a successful beach head. Hello RAF ROYAL NAVY. Intelligence helped by French resistance would have picked up any force with ships ready to embark across the channel and they would have been destroyed beforethey even set off. Seaborn invasions of Britain no chance.
If Britain had been part of the land mass of Western Europe then sure it would have been over run in the Blitzkrieg. But the water saved the Island.
At the start of World War II in 1939, the Royal Navy was still the largest in the world, consisting of 15 battleships and battlecruisers with 5 under construction, 7 aircraft carriers, 66 cruisers with 23 more under construction, 184 destroyers with 52 under construction, 45 escort and patrol vessels with 9 under construction and 1 on order, and 60 submarines with 9 under construction. During the early phases of World War II the Royal Navy provided critical cover during British evacuations from Dunkirk. At the Battle of Taranto, Admiral Cunningham commanded a fleet that launched the first all-aircraft naval attack in history
At the start of World War II in 1939, the Royal Navy was still the largest in the world, consisting of 15 battleships and battlecruisers with 5 under construction, 7 aircraft carriers, 66 cruisers with 23 more under construction, 184 destroyers with 52 under construction, 45 escort and patrol vessels with 9 under construction and 1 on order, and 60 submarines with 9 under construction. During the early phases of World War II the Royal Navy provided critical cover during British evacuations from Dunkirk. At the Battle of Taranto, Admiral Cunningham commanded a fleet that launched the first all-aircraft naval attack in history
Sorry K-Train have to say that is wrong. While I totally agree with what you are saying about the States looking bad in either case, the second world war was a must. People are being murdered and genocide is taking place on a grand scheme and no entry? Allt he top countries in the world that believed they were good entered. So weird the States stayed out! That is why I call out the States in this war. It took the good of many countries to come together to stop this evil and there should not have been any country that felt it belonged on the good side of the planet to not ante up. Fucking pussies! Now I'm not saying so much the people as we all know your prez wanted in and was constantly voted out by the house. Just poor government at the time i guess.
I totally agree with your point in a wars such as Korea, Vietnam, Kosovo, Iraq, etc. I understand people are being killed and things are pretty rough however in a World War the USA was needed and perhaps maybe never would have entered at all if not for Pearl Harbour. I'm almost inclined to say thanks japs, for doing that, because you brought a whole new machine (usa) into the war. I look at those that perished on Dec. 6-7 whatever it was, might have saved millions in the grand scheme of things. Harbour was needed as were the Americans.
But to say the damned if you do and damned if you don't does apply to today. You guys get a lot of tough press and mostly not deserved. It would be nice to see you guys pull out everywhere!
My comment was so much directed towards WW2 but more so since then. I don't really know to much about the politics that went into who entered the war, when they entered it, and why they entered it.
My comment is more directed towards altercations since then. The altercations that America doesn't really NEED to enter but for some reason, some people look to us to mediate or basically kill a dictator for them. I'm not really speaking about Afghanistan either because by most accounts the Taliban harbored Bin Laden after 9-11.
I'm speaking more along the lines of Bosnia, Iraq, Libya, Somalia etc. Places where America doesn't necessarily need to be but no one else is exactly looking to help these people.
If we go there and stick our noses in their business some people hate us and think we should mind our own business. But if we don't help then some people think that we, as the world's superpower, are neglecting helpless people.
Personally I don't think we should ever get involved in a conflict until someone attacks us. But I also believe that people that need help and can't defend themselves against a bully do need help. It's a touchy subject that I'm doing a horrible job of trying to explain my point. I'm an idiot.
Sorry K-Train have to say that is wrong. While I totally agree with what you are saying about the States looking bad in either case, the second world war was a must. People are being murdered and genocide is taking place on a grand scheme and no entry? Allt he top countries in the world that believed they were good entered. So weird the States stayed out! That is why I call out the States in this war. It took the good of many countries to come together to stop this evil and there should not have been any country that felt it belonged on the good side of the planet to not ante up. Fucking pussies! Now I'm not saying so much the people as we all know your prez wanted in and was constantly voted out by the house. Just poor government at the time i guess.
I totally agree with your point in a wars such as Korea, Vietnam, Kosovo, Iraq, etc. I understand people are being killed and things are pretty rough however in a World War the USA was needed and perhaps maybe never would have entered at all if not for Pearl Harbour. I'm almost inclined to say thanks japs, for doing that, because you brought a whole new machine (usa) into the war. I look at those that perished on Dec. 6-7 whatever it was, might have saved millions in the grand scheme of things. Harbour was needed as were the Americans.
But to say the damned if you do and damned if you don't does apply to today. You guys get a lot of tough press and mostly not deserved. It would be nice to see you guys pull out everywhere!
My comment was so much directed towards WW2 but more so since then. I don't really know to much about the politics that went into who entered the war, when they entered it, and why they entered it.
My comment is more directed towards altercations since then. The altercations that America doesn't really NEED to enter but for some reason, some people look to us to mediate or basically kill a dictator for them. I'm not really speaking about Afghanistan either because by most accounts the Taliban harbored Bin Laden after 9-11.
I'm speaking more along the lines of Bosnia, Iraq, Libya, Somalia etc. Places where America doesn't necessarily need to be but no one else is exactly looking to help these people.
If we go there and stick our noses in their business some people hate us and think we should mind our own business. But if we don't help then some people think that we, as the world's superpower, are neglecting helpless people.
Personally I don't think we should ever get involved in a conflict until someone attacks us. But I also believe that people that need help and can't defend themselves against a bully do need help. It's a touchy subject that I'm doing a horrible job of trying to explain my point. I'm an idiot.
My comment was so much directed towards WW2 but more so since then. I don't really know to much about the politics that went into who entered the war, when they entered it, and why they entered it.
My comment is more directed towards altercations since then. The altercations that America doesn't really NEED to enter but for some reason, some people look to us to mediate or basically kill a dictator for them. I'm not really speaking about Afghanistan either because by most accounts the Taliban harbored Bin Laden after 9-11.
I'm speaking more along the lines of Bosnia, Iraq, Libya, Somalia etc. Places where America doesn't necessarily need to be but no one else is exactly looking to help these people.
If we go there and stick our noses in their business some people hate us and think we should mind our own business. But if we don't help then some people think that we, as the world's superpower, are neglecting helpless people.
Personally I don't think we should ever get involved in a conflict until someone attacks us. But I also believe that people that need help and can't defend themselves against a bully do need help. It's a touchy subject that I'm doing a horrible job of trying to explain my point. I'm an idiot.
Na I get what you're saying bro. Just have to siphon through it lol. It is correct just not when applied to ww2.
My comment was so much directed towards WW2 but more so since then. I don't really know to much about the politics that went into who entered the war, when they entered it, and why they entered it.
My comment is more directed towards altercations since then. The altercations that America doesn't really NEED to enter but for some reason, some people look to us to mediate or basically kill a dictator for them. I'm not really speaking about Afghanistan either because by most accounts the Taliban harbored Bin Laden after 9-11.
I'm speaking more along the lines of Bosnia, Iraq, Libya, Somalia etc. Places where America doesn't necessarily need to be but no one else is exactly looking to help these people.
If we go there and stick our noses in their business some people hate us and think we should mind our own business. But if we don't help then some people think that we, as the world's superpower, are neglecting helpless people.
Personally I don't think we should ever get involved in a conflict until someone attacks us. But I also believe that people that need help and can't defend themselves against a bully do need help. It's a touchy subject that I'm doing a horrible job of trying to explain my point. I'm an idiot.
Na I get what you're saying bro. Just have to siphon through it lol. It is correct just not when applied to ww2.
Yeah Nam and Korea are borderline. I still can't totally endorse wars against communism. I love being free and in a democratic country but who am I to say that people are not happy or communism can't work. Certainly not worth losing countless thousands of my young men in Nam while not even fighting with the actually enemy (russia)
Agree with you on the middle east points. This coming from one who served in Afghan lol. We did good things there. Iraq I have very little knowledge of from the front lines as Canada never went.
I was deployed to Bagram A.F. from Aug 2005 to Feb 2006. Any chance we crossed paths during this time?
Yeah Nam and Korea are borderline. I still can't totally endorse wars against communism. I love being free and in a democratic country but who am I to say that people are not happy or communism can't work. Certainly not worth losing countless thousands of my young men in Nam while not even fighting with the actually enemy (russia)
Agree with you on the middle east points. This coming from one who served in Afghan lol. We did good things there. Iraq I have very little knowledge of from the front lines as Canada never went.
I was deployed to Bagram A.F. from Aug 2005 to Feb 2006. Any chance we crossed paths during this time?
during the Second World War the Indian Army would become the largest all-volunteer force in history, rising to over 2.5 million men in size.
In World War II (1939–1945), 2.58 million Indian soldiers fought for the Allies.
And how eager do you think the Allies would have been to invade Europe (which would have been required to win the war) if Hitler didn't even look at Russia and just concentrated all those resources on the Western front?
As stated, once Britain could not be taken quickly, Hitler turned his focus to Russia hoping a quick victory there would force Britain to submit to good terms for Germany. If he had just left Russia alone, he could have concentrated all of his attention keeping the allies off Europe in the west. And it was hard enough to stomach the losses they took at Normandy as it was. You're assuming they would have been willing to take 10 times those losses. A lot to assume.
Why do you think they decided to use the atomic bomb? Because invading Japan might have cost a million men (according to projections).
You can't assume to know how all other nations would have reacted facing an absolutely formidable defense in the west which would have been possible if Hitler hadn't invaded Russia.
during the Second World War the Indian Army would become the largest all-volunteer force in history, rising to over 2.5 million men in size.
In World War II (1939–1945), 2.58 million Indian soldiers fought for the Allies.
And how eager do you think the Allies would have been to invade Europe (which would have been required to win the war) if Hitler didn't even look at Russia and just concentrated all those resources on the Western front?
As stated, once Britain could not be taken quickly, Hitler turned his focus to Russia hoping a quick victory there would force Britain to submit to good terms for Germany. If he had just left Russia alone, he could have concentrated all of his attention keeping the allies off Europe in the west. And it was hard enough to stomach the losses they took at Normandy as it was. You're assuming they would have been willing to take 10 times those losses. A lot to assume.
Why do you think they decided to use the atomic bomb? Because invading Japan might have cost a million men (according to projections).
You can't assume to know how all other nations would have reacted facing an absolutely formidable defense in the west which would have been possible if Hitler hadn't invaded Russia.
And how eager do you think the Allies would have been to invade Europe (which would have been required to win the war) if Hitler didn't even look at Russia and just concentrated all those resources on the Western front?
As stated, once Britain could not be taken quickly, Hitler turned his focus to Russia hoping a quick victory there would force Britain to submit to good terms for Germany. If he had just left Russia alone, he could have concentrated all of his attention keeping the allies off Europe in the west. And it was hard enough to stomach the losses they took at Normandy as it was. You're assuming they would have been willing to take 10 times those losses. A lot to assume.
Why do you think they decided to use the atomic bomb? Because invading Japan might have cost a million men (according to projections).
You can't assume to know how all other nations would have reacted facing an absolutely formidable defense in the west which would have been possible if Hitler hadn't invaded Russia.
spot on with the Japan analysis, agree the losses would have been that high, the A bomb was the solution, 100% with you. At last we agree.
I enjoyed the debate. Thank you so much for your input, it is good to see different points of view, even if we disagree it provides thought and research and I enjoyed looking into it all. But I exit now, and thank the Canadians for their sacrifices also in world war two .
And how eager do you think the Allies would have been to invade Europe (which would have been required to win the war) if Hitler didn't even look at Russia and just concentrated all those resources on the Western front?
As stated, once Britain could not be taken quickly, Hitler turned his focus to Russia hoping a quick victory there would force Britain to submit to good terms for Germany. If he had just left Russia alone, he could have concentrated all of his attention keeping the allies off Europe in the west. And it was hard enough to stomach the losses they took at Normandy as it was. You're assuming they would have been willing to take 10 times those losses. A lot to assume.
Why do you think they decided to use the atomic bomb? Because invading Japan might have cost a million men (according to projections).
You can't assume to know how all other nations would have reacted facing an absolutely formidable defense in the west which would have been possible if Hitler hadn't invaded Russia.
spot on with the Japan analysis, agree the losses would have been that high, the A bomb was the solution, 100% with you. At last we agree.
I enjoyed the debate. Thank you so much for your input, it is good to see different points of view, even if we disagree it provides thought and research and I enjoyed looking into it all. But I exit now, and thank the Canadians for their sacrifices also in world war two .
I wouldn't exactly use the term fighting. I was an aircraft mechanic in the United States Navy. I was in country for all six months though. Never really saw fighting. We did have bullets come through our camp one time......but I slept through it.
I wouldn't exactly use the term fighting. I was an aircraft mechanic in the United States Navy. I was in country for all six months though. Never really saw fighting. We did have bullets come through our camp one time......but I slept through it.
I wouldn't exactly use the term fighting. I was an aircraft mechanic in the United States Navy. I was in country for all six months though. Never really saw fighting. We did have bullets come through our camp one time......but I slept through it.
haha nice! Yeah doubt we would have crossed paths. Close tho bro.
I wouldn't exactly use the term fighting. I was an aircraft mechanic in the United States Navy. I was in country for all six months though. Never really saw fighting. We did have bullets come through our camp one time......but I slept through it.
haha nice! Yeah doubt we would have crossed paths. Close tho bro.
It is ridiculous that America plays a song that directly references religion throughout, at baseball games. Not sure how anyone can argue this? Calling the song stupid may have been a little much...
It is even more ridiculous that a number of people in thread are actually proud of their ignorance towards world affairs.
It is ridiculous that America plays a song that directly references religion throughout, at baseball games. Not sure how anyone can argue this? Calling the song stupid may have been a little much...
It is even more ridiculous that a number of people in thread are actually proud of their ignorance towards world affairs.
the new generation Canadians don't know the history like the Iranian politician in Canada
Canada was built on the backs of the British
first im from canada and whoever started this thread is a fuckin retard, why do so many canadians hate the stateS? i have been to both countries alot and i was born in canada, but there is not much difference between the 2 countries, i do not know why usa does not just make a union with canda like the european union. nafta is fuckin bullshit
and as a canadian, the canadian anthem is fuckin retarded, we stand on guard for thee. wtf is that shit, i dont like to stand around wtf is this shit stand on guard, to what jack the fuck off? canada has never won a war on their own.
as for whoever posted this other post, ya canada was a british colony, upper canada during 1812 war, usa was terrible in that war, the first 2 years they were not organized at all, and should of won that war easy, but the guys sent up north really sucked. and the indians who really got fucked in all this, were alot of the people who killed the americans trying to invade canada. so it not really a canadian or a british win, if anything nobody won that war, and in 1814 battle of new orleans, british got their ass crushed in that, also britain should of won on water, but usa boats beat the britain navy in alot of that shit. if not some crazy indians and better organized, usa should of won that war. why didnt usa wait till 1814, then they could of done alot better in it. i fuckin hate canada cause the tax is anal rape
the new generation Canadians don't know the history like the Iranian politician in Canada
Canada was built on the backs of the British
first im from canada and whoever started this thread is a fuckin retard, why do so many canadians hate the stateS? i have been to both countries alot and i was born in canada, but there is not much difference between the 2 countries, i do not know why usa does not just make a union with canda like the european union. nafta is fuckin bullshit
and as a canadian, the canadian anthem is fuckin retarded, we stand on guard for thee. wtf is that shit, i dont like to stand around wtf is this shit stand on guard, to what jack the fuck off? canada has never won a war on their own.
as for whoever posted this other post, ya canada was a british colony, upper canada during 1812 war, usa was terrible in that war, the first 2 years they were not organized at all, and should of won that war easy, but the guys sent up north really sucked. and the indians who really got fucked in all this, were alot of the people who killed the americans trying to invade canada. so it not really a canadian or a british win, if anything nobody won that war, and in 1814 battle of new orleans, british got their ass crushed in that, also britain should of won on water, but usa boats beat the britain navy in alot of that shit. if not some crazy indians and better organized, usa should of won that war. why didnt usa wait till 1814, then they could of done alot better in it. i fuckin hate canada cause the tax is anal rape
It is ridiculous that America plays a song that directly references religion throughout, at baseball games. Not sure how anyone can argue this? Calling the song stupid may have been a little much...
It is even more ridiculous that a number of people in thread are actually proud of their ignorance towards world affairs.
why are you all hating on god bless america? it might be ab etter song than star spangled banner. the canadian anthem is fuckin retarded, and im from canada, and what is even more fucked, is when all these fuckers in montreal at hockey chant ole ole ole, we are in north america wtf, no other north american city does that, frogggy fuckin shit
It is ridiculous that America plays a song that directly references religion throughout, at baseball games. Not sure how anyone can argue this? Calling the song stupid may have been a little much...
It is even more ridiculous that a number of people in thread are actually proud of their ignorance towards world affairs.
why are you all hating on god bless america? it might be ab etter song than star spangled banner. the canadian anthem is fuckin retarded, and im from canada, and what is even more fucked, is when all these fuckers in montreal at hockey chant ole ole ole, we are in north america wtf, no other north american city does that, frogggy fuckin shit
Let's actually take a look at the numbers and countries who actually did more than declare war (ie. contributed resources in terms of human beings) or weren't actually defeated by Germany.Haiti
Allied declarations of war on Axis Powers
Australia: 39K
New Zealand: 12K
United Kingdom: 383K
British Raj British India: 87K
Union of South Africa Union of South Africa: 12K
Canada: 45K
Denmark: 2K
Norway: 3K
Belgium: Defeated - 12K
Netherlands: 17K
Greece: 25K
United States of America: 417K
China: 5 Million
Philippines Commonwealth of the Philippines: 57K
Brazil: 1K
Ethiopia: 5K
Iraq: 500
Iran: 200
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Take out China and the other nations contributed 1.1 million dead......1/10 of what Russia contributed. You have no idea how the world would have reacted if they had to do 10 TIMES more than what was required as it was.
Hell, the US wasn't even going to come to Britains aid because they didn't even think they could be saved. They only got involved after Hitler decided NOT to invade. And if Hitler had ignored the Soviets, he would have crushed Britain and who knows what the US would have done.
So Russia was huge in terms of its resources (and they may have had help with supplies to begin with, but they cranked up their war machine BIG time over the course of those years), but also in terms of what it prevented Hitler from doing.
Yup, they weren't necessary.
Who implies the Russians weren't necessary ? The Nazi's ran out of ammo on them for fuck sakes. Advancing at about 50 miles a day some of the time.
Let's actually take a look at the numbers and countries who actually did more than declare war (ie. contributed resources in terms of human beings) or weren't actually defeated by Germany.Haiti
Allied declarations of war on Axis Powers
Australia: 39K
New Zealand: 12K
United Kingdom: 383K
British Raj British India: 87K
Union of South Africa Union of South Africa: 12K
Canada: 45K
Denmark: 2K
Norway: 3K
Belgium: Defeated - 12K
Netherlands: 17K
Greece: 25K
United States of America: 417K
China: 5 Million
Philippines Commonwealth of the Philippines: 57K
Brazil: 1K
Ethiopia: 5K
Iraq: 500
Iran: 200
_______________
Take out China and the other nations contributed 1.1 million dead......1/10 of what Russia contributed. You have no idea how the world would have reacted if they had to do 10 TIMES more than what was required as it was.
Hell, the US wasn't even going to come to Britains aid because they didn't even think they could be saved. They only got involved after Hitler decided NOT to invade. And if Hitler had ignored the Soviets, he would have crushed Britain and who knows what the US would have done.
So Russia was huge in terms of its resources (and they may have had help with supplies to begin with, but they cranked up their war machine BIG time over the course of those years), but also in terms of what it prevented Hitler from doing.
Yup, they weren't necessary.
Who implies the Russians weren't necessary ? The Nazi's ran out of ammo on them for fuck sakes. Advancing at about 50 miles a day some of the time.
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